Incrementing, Balloon-type Numbered List pgf

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Jim,

To add to Carol's recommendation: If you use a font like this, you could use
FrameScript to script the required key combinations for each number. So it
may not be as tedious to use a font like this as it sounds.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
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Jim, try the font named CombiNumerals Pro at 
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/fontsite/combi-numerals-pro/  But it 
won't necessarily work in an autonumbered paratag. The circled 
numbers are created by key combinations. You would need to manually 
number the steps using the font.

Carol

At 11:00 AM 4/14/2010, you wrote:
>I know I can make a pgf with an individual webding character balloon 
>number, but my instructions will get past 10 in several tasks, so I 
>don't want to create twenty-some pgfs.

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[James Dyson]

You can also do this quick modification:
Highlight/select the character. Then press the "ALT" and "Up" arrow key.
This will change the vertical position of the selected character(s).
Keep in mind that the line spacing will also adjust by default. To
remedy this, just choose the "Fixed" line spacing option in the
Paragraph Designer.

Best Regards,

James Dyson
Technical Writer
KVH Industries, Inc.
50 Enterprise Center | Middletown, RI 02842
Direct Tel: +1.401.845.2416
Tel: +1.401.847.3327 | Fax: +1.401.849.0045
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:53:38 -0700
From: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)"

To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit of
a number?
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi, all.

I am using FM 9 (9.0p250) on a Vista system.

This document is written in English (specifically, Palatino Linotype for
general text and Consolas fonts in certain places) and have a need to
add the "recurring decimal" dot above a number. (There isn't any current
need to change this document into another language, by the way.)

For example, 10.999 where the last 9 has a dot on top to mean that there
are more 9's after  there - ad infinitum.

How do I do this in a generic way? I.e., add above the last digit of the
number only, without having to do something oddball that could make it
tortuous (since the digit could be different in different places or
could be changed/edited later, etc.).

Thanks!

Z



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Message: 13
Date: 14 Apr 2010 01:33:35 -
From: bern...@publishingsmarter.com
To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit
of anumber?
Message-ID: <20100414013335.15401.qmail at ns12.webmasters.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Would an equation work for you? I think it's Special > Equation, and
then you need to select Small, Medium, Large (based on font, not on
complexity). From there click Symbols, and choose the Diacritical. In
there select the very bottom leftmost symbol. Type a 9. Press Esc, m, p
(note that is case sensitive) and it should work. If needed, go with a
Medium or Large equation. I'd suggest you may want to build all of this
one number in the equation editor.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



- Original Message -
From: syed.hos...@aeris.net
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: 4/13/10 8:57 PM
Subject: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit of a
number?

> Hi, all.
> 
> I am using FM 9 (9.0p250) on a Vista system.
> 
> This document is written in English (specifically, Palatino Linotype
for general text and Consolas fonts in certain places) and have a need
to add the "recurring decimal" dot above a number. (There isn't any
current need to change this document into another language, by the way.)
> 
> For example, 10.999 where the last 9 has a dot on top to mean that
there are more 9's after  there - ad infinitum.
> 
> How do I do this in a generic way? I.e., add above the last digit of
the number only, without having to do something oddball that could make
it tortuous (since the digit could be different in different places or
could be changed/edited later, etc.).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Z
> 
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:14:56 -0400
From: Milan Davidovi? 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: Re: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit
of anumber?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)  wrote:
> This document is written in English (specifically, Palatino Linotype
for general text and Consolas fonts in certain places) and have a need
to add the "recurring decimal" dot above a number. (There isn't any
current need to change this document into another language, by the way.)

This may be of interest to others reading this thread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal#Notation

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:09:47 -0700
From: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)"

To: "bernard at publis

Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

Thanks, everyone, for being so helpful! This list is going to make my life 
easier.

I sort of accidentally managed to get an acceptable solution for the time 
being. I was poking in the right areas, at least. Right now, one of the pages 
that I would rather have start on a right page starts on a left page. 

I will go through all your suggestions until I feel confident that I know what 
causes the problem and how to fix it (when I have the time).

Thanks again. tims

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:23 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Tim J. Slager
Subject: Re: Pagination problem

I assume that the pagination is set to double-sided (ie, left/right). If the 
preface has several individual FM documents in it, my guess is that each 
document is set to start on the right page, and the text of the troublesome 
document ends on a right page. Therefore, FM adds a blank left page so the next 
document can start on a right page.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Tim J. Slager  wrote:

> From: Tim J. Slager 
> Subject: Pagination problem
> To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:20 AM
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The
> first document should have two pages but insists on having
> three. When I delete the third page, save the file, and then
> open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my
> page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it
> doesn't stay. I have tried various settings in Format >
> Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it again the
> Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
> Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373
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Re: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Tori Muir]

Something else that can help speed up the translation to PDF: if any of 
the artwork uses Illustrator's Effects, have the artist expand the 
appearance of all objects, then do an object cleanup (Object > Path > 
Cleanup) and resave. Reimport to FrameMaker.  Especially if the objects 
are appearing on each page, even a small improvement in processing time 
will add up.


Tori Muir
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www.spot-on-creative.com


On 4/14/10 2:42 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:

Pete Roebber wrote:

   

You're not using OLE (File>  Import>  Object), are you? Use File>  Import
File. What format are the graphics?
IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator (.ai) file import. What file size
   

are they?

I'm using File>  Import>  File to import .ai files. The graphics files are
~1MB each.

 

I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if
   

they can be "optimized" to cut down the file size,
 

or try exporting to other formats.
   

Is 1MB really big? I've also tried JPG, with file sizes around 200K. Didn't
seem to make a big difference, though I didn't try doing a whole manual
that way.
 

Well, it strikes me as big for vector drawings, but I'm not very knowledgeable 
about AI files. Are there gradient fills, or something similar?

I'd strongly advise against JPG, which should be reserved for continuous-tone 
images, i.e., photographs. But you might do a timed test comparing AI files 
with, say, PNG. Presumably, you're only talking about changing three or so 
master pages, so comparing two complete versions of the manual shouldn't take 
any longer than it takes to import page layouts to all the files in a copy of 
the book.

   

Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the
   

intended destination
 

of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), you may
   

be able to use a different joboptions file or
 

tweak the compression/downsampling settings.
   

I always use "Standard." I publish the PDF to the Web so it has to be high
enough quality in case customers want to print, but still keep the file
size reasonable.
 

In Distiller, select Settings>  Edit Adobe PDF Settings to look at and tweak 
the Standard.joboptions file (you can save changes under a different name). Or 
just for grins, try using the Smallest File Size setting and compare the speed and 
quality.

   

Oh, and one other thing. When you say ">1 hour print times," are you
   

talking about the time to create the PDF or the time to
 

print the PDF on an office printer? If the latter, check how much memory
   

the printer has and/or try different printers.

 

If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance,
   

right?

Former. I use, from the book file, File/Save AS PDF, and select "Standard"
as the quality setting. Wow is right!
 

Unless you have Sundorne's SetPrint plug-in or you manually change it in Print 
Setup, FM uses your system's default printer for Save As PDF -- that's the 
chief cause of the problems people have with Save As PDF. Use only the Adobe 
PDF printer for PDFs, either by manually changing to it or by using SetPrint to 
automatically change FM's printer when it starts.

That's all I've got, so I'm directing the conversation back to the list in case anyone 
else has something to contribute. "Wisdom of the crowd," you know. :-)


Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Tori Muir]

Something else that can help speed up the translation to PDF: if any of 
the artwork uses Illustrator's Effects, have the artist expand the 
appearance of all objects, then do an object cleanup (Object > Path > 
Cleanup) and resave. Reimport to FrameMaker.  Especially if the objects 
are appearing on each page, even a small improvement in processing time 
will add up.

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www.spot-on-creative.com


On 4/14/10 2:42 PM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> Pete Roebber wrote:
>
>
>>> You're not using OLE (File>  Import>  Object), are you? Use File>  Import
>>> File. What format are the graphics?
>>> IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator (.ai) file import. What file size
>>>
>> are they?
>>
>> I'm using File>  Import>  File to import .ai files. The graphics files are
>> ~1MB each.
>>
>>  
>>> I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if
>>>
>> they can be "optimized" to cut down the file size,
>>  
>>> or try exporting to other formats.
>>>
>> Is 1MB really big? I've also tried JPG, with file sizes around 200K. Didn't
>> seem to make a big difference, though I didn't try doing a whole manual
>> that way.
>>  
> Well, it strikes me as big for vector drawings, but I'm not very 
> knowledgeable about AI files. Are there gradient fills, or something similar?
>
> I'd strongly advise against JPG, which should be reserved for continuous-tone 
> images, i.e., photographs. But you might do a timed test comparing AI files 
> with, say, PNG. Presumably, you're only talking about changing three or so 
> master pages, so comparing two complete versions of the manual shouldn't take 
> any longer than it takes to import page layouts to all the files in a copy of 
> the book.
>
>
>>> Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the
>>>
>> intended destination
>>  
>>> of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), you may
>>>
>> be able to use a different joboptions file or
>>  
>>> tweak the compression/downsampling settings.
>>>
>> I always use "Standard." I publish the PDF to the Web so it has to be high
>> enough quality in case customers want to print, but still keep the file
>> size reasonable.
>>  
> In Distiller, select Settings>  Edit Adobe PDF Settings to look at and tweak 
> the Standard.joboptions file (you can save changes under a different name). 
> Or just for grins, try using the Smallest File Size setting and compare the 
> speed and quality.
>
>
>>> Oh, and one other thing. When you say ">1 hour print times," are you
>>>
>> talking about the time to create the PDF or the time to
>>  
>>> print the PDF on an office printer? If the latter, check how much memory
>>>
>> the printer has and/or try different printers.
>>
>>  
>>> If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance,
>>>
>> right?
>>
>> Former. I use, from the book file, File/Save AS PDF, and select "Standard"
>> as the quality setting. Wow is right!
>>  
> Unless you have Sundorne's SetPrint plug-in or you manually change it in 
> Print Setup, FM uses your system's default printer for Save As PDF -- that's 
> the chief cause of the problems people have with Save As PDF. Use only the 
> Adobe PDF printer for PDFs, either by manually changing to it or by using 
> SetPrint to automatically change FM's printer when it starts.
>
> That's all I've got, so I'm directing the conversation back to the list in 
> case anyone else has something to contribute. "Wisdom of the crowd," you 
> know. :-)
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
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Text Inset Disappears

[Steve Johnson]

Inline...

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Linda Camp  
wrote:
> I am using Unstructured FrameMaker 8.0p266 on Windows XP. We have converted a 
> rather large users guide to include all text insets. When I opened a "main 
> ?file" containing text insets, it looked fine. ?However, when I 
> double-clicked a text inset, the text inset file that opened was entirely 
> different. ?The original text inset file is no longer in the directory. It 
> has actually disappeared from the network drive, but the original text from 
> the inset is still in the "main file". ? Has anyone else had anything similar 
> to this?

>> This is normal. Frame doesn't gray box a missing text inset the way it does 
>> a missing graphic.

Thoughts we had were:
>
> - ? ? ? ? ?Is there a maximum number of text insets per document or book?
>
> - ? ? ? ? ?While I was working in one "master file," another writer was 
> working in a different "master file" in the same book. Would this cause a 
> problem?

>> If two of you opened the same text inset there would be a locking problem 
>> but the result should be that only one of your changes would be accepted.

See if you can find the missing text inset on the network drive and go
from there.

> Any experiences/suggestions/workarounds are appreciated!
> Thanks
>
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> 770-554-6353 ext. 254 |
> www.horizonsoftware.com
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RE: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Combs, Richard]

Pete Roebber wrote:
 
> > You're not using OLE (File > Import > Object), are you? Use File > Import
> > File. What format are the graphics?
> > IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator (.ai) file import. What file size
> are they?
> 
> I'm using File > Import > File to import .ai files. The graphics files are
> ~1MB each.
> 
> > I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if
> they can be "optimized" to cut down the file size,
> > or try exporting to other formats.
> 
> Is 1MB really big? I've also tried JPG, with file sizes around 200K. Didn't
> seem to make a big difference, though I didn't try doing a whole manual
> that way.

Well, it strikes me as big for vector drawings, but I'm not very knowledgeable 
about AI files. Are there gradient fills, or something similar? 

I'd strongly advise against JPG, which should be reserved for continuous-tone 
images, i.e., photographs. But you might do a timed test comparing AI files 
with, say, PNG. Presumably, you're only talking about changing three or so 
master pages, so comparing two complete versions of the manual shouldn't take 
any longer than it takes to import page layouts to all the files in a copy of 
the book.
 
> > Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the
> intended destination
> > of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), you may
> be able to use a different joboptions file or
> > tweak the compression/downsampling settings.
> 
> I always use "Standard." I publish the PDF to the Web so it has to be high
> enough quality in case customers want to print, but still keep the file
> size reasonable.

In Distiller, select Settings > Edit Adobe PDF Settings to look at and tweak 
the Standard.joboptions file (you can save changes under a different name). Or 
just for grins, try using the Smallest File Size setting and compare the speed 
and quality. 
 
> > Oh, and one other thing. When you say ">1 hour print times," are you
> talking about the time to create the PDF or the time to
> > print the PDF on an office printer? If the latter, check how much memory
> the printer has and/or try different printers.
> 
> > If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance,
> right?
> 
> Former. I use, from the book file, File/Save AS PDF, and select "Standard"
> as the quality setting. Wow is right!

Unless you have Sundorne's SetPrint plug-in or you manually change it in Print 
Setup, FM uses your system's default printer for Save As PDF -- that's the 
chief cause of the problems people have with Save As PDF. Use only the Adobe 
PDF printer for PDFs, either by manually changing to it or by using SetPrint to 
automatically change FM's printer when it starts. 

That's all I've got, so I'm directing the conversation back to the list in case 
anyone else has something to contribute. "Wisdom of the crowd," you know. :-)


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Combs, Richard]

Pete Roebber wrote:

> > You're not using OLE (File > Import > Object), are you? Use File > Import
> > File. What format are the graphics?
> > IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator (.ai) file import. What file size
> are they?
> 
> I'm using File > Import > File to import .ai files. The graphics files are
> ~1MB each.
> 
> > I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if
> they can be "optimized" to cut down the file size,
> > or try exporting to other formats.
> 
> Is 1MB really big? I've also tried JPG, with file sizes around 200K. Didn't
> seem to make a big difference, though I didn't try doing a whole manual
> that way.

Well, it strikes me as big for vector drawings, but I'm not very knowledgeable 
about AI files. Are there gradient fills, or something similar? 

I'd strongly advise against JPG, which should be reserved for continuous-tone 
images, i.e., photographs. But you might do a timed test comparing AI files 
with, say, PNG. Presumably, you're only talking about changing three or so 
master pages, so comparing two complete versions of the manual shouldn't take 
any longer than it takes to import page layouts to all the files in a copy of 
the book.

> > Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the
> intended destination
> > of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), you may
> be able to use a different joboptions file or
> > tweak the compression/downsampling settings.
> 
> I always use "Standard." I publish the PDF to the Web so it has to be high
> enough quality in case customers want to print, but still keep the file
> size reasonable.

In Distiller, select Settings > Edit Adobe PDF Settings to look at and tweak 
the Standard.joboptions file (you can save changes under a different name). Or 
just for grins, try using the Smallest File Size setting and compare the speed 
and quality. 

> > Oh, and one other thing. When you say ">1 hour print times," are you
> talking about the time to create the PDF or the time to
> > print the PDF on an office printer? If the latter, check how much memory
> the printer has and/or try different printers.
> 
> > If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance,
> right?
> 
> Former. I use, from the book file, File/Save AS PDF, and select "Standard"
> as the quality setting. Wow is right!

Unless you have Sundorne's SetPrint plug-in or you manually change it in Print 
Setup, FM uses your system's default printer for Save As PDF -- that's the 
chief cause of the problems people have with Save As PDF. Use only the Adobe 
PDF printer for PDFs, either by manually changing to it or by using SetPrint to 
automatically change FM's printer when it starts. 

That's all I've got, so I'm directing the conversation back to the list in case 
anyone else has something to contribute. "Wisdom of the crowd," you know. :-)


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
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Pagination problem

[Mike Wickham]

> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I 
> have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when 
> I open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page 
> Count Odd."
>

Look at the pagination settings for the next file in the book. If the first 
file ends, say, on a left page, but the next file is set up to start on a 
left page, then FM adds an extra, blank, right page automatically to make 
that happen.

Mike Wickham

Text Inset Disappears

[Linda Camp]

I am using Unstructured FrameMaker 8.0p266 on Windows XP. We have converted a 
rather large users guide to include all text insets. When I opened a "main  
file" containing text insets, it looked fine.  However, when I double-clicked a 
text inset, the text inset file that opened was entirely different.  The 
original text inset file is no longer in the directory. It has actually 
disappeared from the network drive, but the original text from the inset is 
still in the "main file".   Has anyone else had anything similar to this? 
Thoughts we had were:

-  Is there a maximum number of text insets per document or book?

-  While I was working in one "master file," another writer was working 
in a different "master file" in the same book. Would this cause a problem?
Any experiences/suggestions/workarounds are appreciated!
Thanks

Linda Camp | Horizon Software International | Senior Technical Writer | 
770-554-6353 ext. 254 |
www.horizonsoftware.com

Pagination problem

[Mike]

You might check the files in the book on either side of the one causing the
problem. If the following file, for example, sets its pagination to start on
an even page, it could cause your file to add a page to make it happen.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Tim J. Slager
wrote:

> FM 7.2, Windows XP
>
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document
> should have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third
> page, save the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This
> messes up my page numbering for the rest of the preface.
>
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I
> have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I
> open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
>
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks. tims
>
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Pagination problem

[Scott White]

Have you gone to format>page layout>pagination and made sure the window is set 
to delete empty pages instead of something else.



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On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Tim J. Slager wrote:

> PS: In some cases, the third page shows up only after I update the book.
> 
> I'm new to FM, so please assume user ignorance...
> 
> From: Tim J. Slager
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:20 AM
> To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
> Subject: Pagination problem
> 
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document 
> should have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third 
> page, save the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This 
> messes up my page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I 
> have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I 
> open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page 
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
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Incrementing, Balloon-type Numbered List pgf

[Carol J. Elkins]

Jim, try the font named CombiNumerals Pro at 
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/fontsite/combi-numerals-pro/  But it 
won't necessarily work in an autonumbered paratag. The circled 
numbers are created by key combinations. You would need to manually 
number the steps using the font.

Carol

At 11:00 AM 4/14/2010, you wrote:
>I know I can make a pgf with an individual webding character balloon 
>number, but my instructions will get past 10 in several tasks, so I 
>don't want to create twenty-some pgfs.

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Re: Text Inset Disappears

[Steve Johnson]

Inline...

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Linda Camp  wrote:
> I am using Unstructured FrameMaker 8.0p266 on Windows XP. We have converted a 
> rather large users guide to include all text insets. When I opened a "main  
> file" containing text insets, it looked fine.  However, when I double-clicked 
> a text inset, the text inset file that opened was entirely different.  The 
> original text inset file is no longer in the directory. It has actually 
> disappeared from the network drive, but the original text from the inset is 
> still in the "main file".   Has anyone else had anything similar to this?

>> This is normal. Frame doesn't gray box a missing text inset the way it does 
>> a missing graphic.

Thoughts we had were:
>
> -          Is there a maximum number of text insets per document or book?
>
> -          While I was working in one "master file," another writer was 
> working in a different "master file" in the same book. Would this cause a 
> problem?

>> If two of you opened the same text inset there would be a locking problem 
>> but the result should be that only one of your changes would be accepted.

See if you can find the missing text inset on the network drive and go
from there.

> Any experiences/suggestions/workarounds are appreciated!
> Thanks
>
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> 770-554-6353 ext. 254 |
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RE: Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

Thanks, everyone, for being so helpful! This list is going to make my life 
easier.

I sort of accidentally managed to get an acceptable solution for the time 
being. I was poking in the right areas, at least. Right now, one of the pages 
that I would rather have start on a right page starts on a left page. 

I will go through all your suggestions until I feel confident that I know what 
causes the problem and how to fix it (when I have the time).

Thanks again. tims

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Tim J. Slager
Subject: Re: Pagination problem

I assume that the pagination is set to double-sided (ie, left/right). If the 
preface has several individual FM documents in it, my guess is that each 
document is set to start on the right page, and the text of the troublesome 
document ends on a right page. Therefore, FM adds a blank left page so the next 
document can start on a right page.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Tim J. Slager  wrote:

> From: Tim J. Slager 
> Subject: Pagination problem
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:20 AM
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The
> first document should have two pages but insists on having
> three. When I delete the third page, save the file, and then
> open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my
> page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it
> doesn't stay. I have tried various settings in Format >
> Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it again the
> Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
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Re: Pagination problem

[Mike]

You might check the files in the book on either side of the one causing the
problem. If the following file, for example, sets its pagination to start on
an even page, it could cause your file to add a page to make it happen.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Tim J. Slager
wrote:

> FM 7.2, Windows XP
>
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document
> should have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third
> page, save the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This
> messes up my page numbering for the rest of the preface.
>
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I
> have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I
> open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
>
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks. tims
>
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RE: Text Inset Disappears

[Combs, Richard]

Linda Camp wrote: 
 
> I am using Unstructured FrameMaker 8.0p266 on Windows XP. We have converted
> a rather large users guide to include all text insets. When I opened a
> "main  file" containing text insets, it looked fine.  

I'm not sure what you mean by "all text insets." By "main file," I assume you 
mean the "container" file ( some call it "destination" file) into which the 
text insets are imported. How large is large? How many is all?

However, when I
> double-clicked a text inset, the text inset file that opened was entirely
> different.  The original text inset file is no longer in the directory. It
> has actually disappeared from the network drive, but the original text from
> the inset is still in the "main file".   Has anyone else had anything
> similar to this? Thoughts we had were:

In the container file, FM stores a "snapshot" of the text inset as it was the 
last time FM updated it (opened the source file containing the text inset flow 
to retrieve the latest version). So it's entirely possible for the container 
file to display a text inset whose source file has since been deleted or moved. 
Everything looks fine until the text inset is updated. :-} 

When you double-click a text inset, the Text Inset Properties dialog shows you 
the source file, type, status, etc. Verify the path and file name of the source 
file. Is it maybe a mapped network drive (the path starts with, say G:), and 
the mapping changed? (E.g., you moved the container file to a different PC that 
maps the same network drive to H:.)

Of course, if the source file really is gone, it's gone... But nothing you 
could do in the destination file would cause that. Someone would have to delete 
it, move it, make the location where it's stored unreachable, or something like 
that. 

> 
> -  Is there a maximum number of text insets per document or book?

None that I'm aware of. I've gone into the hundreds without problems. Do you 
have only one text inset in each source file? A text inset is simply a complete 
text flow, and a single FM file can contain many disconnected text flows. I've 
had dozens of related text insets in one source file, which simplifies file 
management and may help with resource issues. 

> -  While I was working in one "master file," another writer was
> working in a different "master file" in the same book. Would this cause a
> problem?

Assuming by "master file" you mean a container file into which the text inset 
is imported, this couldn't possibly cause anything to happen to the text inset 
source file. Unless one of you selected Open Source in the Text Inset 
Properties dialog and then edited or renamed the source file, nothing you do in 
the container would affect the source. Not even updating -- it's strictly a 
read-only affair, which makes no change to the source.


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[Combs, Richard]

Linda Camp wrote: 

> I am using Unstructured FrameMaker 8.0p266 on Windows XP. We have converted
> a rather large users guide to include all text insets. When I opened a
> "main  file" containing text insets, it looked fine.  

I'm not sure what you mean by "all text insets." By "main file," I assume you 
mean the "container" file ( some call it "destination" file) into which the 
text insets are imported. How large is large? How many is all?

However, when I
> double-clicked a text inset, the text inset file that opened was entirely
> different.  The original text inset file is no longer in the directory. It
> has actually disappeared from the network drive, but the original text from
> the inset is still in the "main file".   Has anyone else had anything
> similar to this? Thoughts we had were:

In the container file, FM stores a "snapshot" of the text inset as it was the 
last time FM updated it (opened the source file containing the text inset flow 
to retrieve the latest version). So it's entirely possible for the container 
file to display a text inset whose source file has since been deleted or moved. 
Everything looks fine until the text inset is updated. :-} 

When you double-click a text inset, the Text Inset Properties dialog shows you 
the source file, type, status, etc. Verify the path and file name of the source 
file. Is it maybe a mapped network drive (the path starts with, say G:), and 
the mapping changed? (E.g., you moved the container file to a different PC that 
maps the same network drive to H:.)

Of course, if the source file really is gone, it's gone... But nothing you 
could do in the destination file would cause that. Someone would have to delete 
it, move it, make the location where it's stored unreachable, or something like 
that. 

> 
> -  Is there a maximum number of text insets per document or book?

None that I'm aware of. I've gone into the hundreds without problems. Do you 
have only one text inset in each source file? A text inset is simply a complete 
text flow, and a single FM file can contain many disconnected text flows. I've 
had dozens of related text insets in one source file, which simplifies file 
management and may help with resource issues. 

> -  While I was working in one "master file," another writer was
> working in a different "master file" in the same book. Would this cause a
> problem?

Assuming by "master file" you mean a container file into which the text inset 
is imported, this couldn't possibly cause anything to happen to the text inset 
source file. Unless one of you selected Open Source in the Text Inset 
Properties dialog and then edited or renamed the source file, nothing you do in 
the container would affect the source. Not even updating -- it's strictly a 
read-only affair, which makes no change to the source.


Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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RE: framers Digest, Vol 54, Issue 13

[James Dyson]

You can also do this quick modification:
Highlight/select the character. Then press the "ALT" and "Up" arrow key.
This will change the vertical position of the selected character(s).
Keep in mind that the line spacing will also adjust by default. To
remedy this, just choose the "Fixed" line spacing option in the
Paragraph Designer.

Best Regards,

James Dyson
Technical Writer
KVH Industries, Inc.
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Direct Tel: +1.401.845.2416
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:53:38 -0700
From: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)"

To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit of
a number?
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hi, all.

I am using FM 9 (9.0p250) on a Vista system.

This document is written in English (specifically, Palatino Linotype for
general text and Consolas fonts in certain places) and have a need to
add the "recurring decimal" dot above a number. (There isn't any current
need to change this document into another language, by the way.)

For example, 10.999 where the last 9 has a dot on top to mean that there
are more 9's after  there - ad infinitum.

How do I do this in a generic way? I.e., add above the last digit of the
number only, without having to do something oddball that could make it
tortuous (since the digit could be different in different places or
could be changed/edited later, etc.).

Thanks!

Z



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Date: 14 Apr 2010 01:33:35 -
From: bern...@publishingsmarter.com
To: syed.hos...@aeris.net
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit
of anumber?
Message-ID: <20100414013335.15401.qm...@ns12.webmasters.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

Would an equation work for you? I think it's Special > Equation, and
then you need to select Small, Medium, Large (based on font, not on
complexity). From there click Symbols, and choose the Diacritical. In
there select the very bottom leftmost symbol. Type a 9. Press Esc, m, p
(note that is case sensitive) and it should work. If needed, go with a
Medium or Large equation. I'd suggest you may want to build all of this
one number in the equation editor.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



- Original Message -
From: syed.hos...@aeris.net
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: 4/13/10 8:57 PM
Subject: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit of a
number?

> Hi, all.
> 
> I am using FM 9 (9.0p250) on a Vista system.
> 
> This document is written in English (specifically, Palatino Linotype
for general text and Consolas fonts in certain places) and have a need
to add the "recurring decimal" dot above a number. (There isn't any
current need to change this document into another language, by the way.)
> 
> For example, 10.999 where the last 9 has a dot on top to mean that
there are more 9's after  there - ad infinitum.
> 
> How do I do this in a generic way? I.e., add above the last digit of
the number only, without having to do something oddball that could make
it tortuous (since the digit could be different in different places or
could be changed/edited later, etc.).
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Z
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:14:56 -0400
From: Milan Davidovi? 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: Re: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit
of anumber?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)  wrote:
> This document is written in English (specifically, Palatino Linotype
for general text and Consolas fonts in certain places) and have a need
to add the "recurring decimal" dot above a number. (There isn't any
current need to change this document into another language, by the way.)

This may be of interest to others reading this thread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_decimal#Notation

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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:09:47 -0700
From: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)"

To: "bern...@publishingsmarter.com" 
Cc: "

RE: Incrementing, Balloon-type Numbered List pgf

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Jim,

To add to Carol's recommendation: If you use a font like this, you could use
FrameScript to script the required key combinations for each number. So it
may not be as tedious to use a font like this as it sounds.

Rick

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Jim, try the font named CombiNumerals Pro at 
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/fontsite/combi-numerals-pro/  But it 
won't necessarily work in an autonumbered paratag. The circled 
numbers are created by key combinations. You would need to manually 
number the steps using the font.

Carol

At 11:00 AM 4/14/2010, you wrote:
>I know I can make a pgf with an individual webding character balloon 
>number, but my instructions will get past 10 in several tasks, so I 
>don't want to create twenty-some pgfs.

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[Carol J. Elkins]

Jim, try the font named CombiNumerals Pro at 
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/fontsite/combi-numerals-pro/  But it 
won't necessarily work in an autonumbered paratag. The circled 
numbers are created by key combinations. You would need to manually 
number the steps using the font.


Carol

At 11:00 AM 4/14/2010, you wrote:
I know I can make a pgf with an individual webding character balloon 
number, but my instructions will get past 10 in several tasks, so I 
don't want to create twenty-some pgfs.


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RE: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Combs, Richard]

Pete Roebber wrote:
 
> I am attempting to implement my company's new design for manuals in a
> Frame template and am running into a problem. The new design calls for a
> graphical element running across the bottom of every page. Another
> graphical element appears on every chapter title page. A third graphical
> element appears at the top of every left-hand page and a fourth graphical
> element appears at the top of every right-hand page. So every page has at
> least two graphical elements, not counting any graphics that might appear
> in the text.
> 
> I have imported the graphical elements by reference into the master page
> for each page type. The graphical elements are Adobe Illustrator graphics.

You're not using OLE (File > Import > Object), are you? Use File > Import > 
File. What format are the graphics? IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator 
(.ai) file import. What file size are they?
 
> Although the pages look like they are supposed to, it takes ~6x as long to
> print a manual to PDF using this template and the PDF file size is ~3x
> larger than it was using the old template that had only one small
> graphical element on each chapter title page. Is there a better way to
> implement this design, or do I have to reconcile myself to >1 hour print
> times and mach larger PDFs?

I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if they can 
be "optimized" to cut down the file size, or try exporting to other formats. 
Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the intended 
destination of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), 
you may be able to use a different joboptions file or tweak the 
compression/downsampling settings. 

Oh, and one other thing. When you say ">1 hour print times," are you talking 
about the time to create the PDF or the time to print the PDF on an office 
printer? If the latter, check how much memory the printer has and/or try 
different printers. 

If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance, right?  

HTH!

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Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Combs, Richard]

Pete Roebber wrote:

> I am attempting to implement my company's new design for manuals in a
> Frame template and am running into a problem. The new design calls for a
> graphical element running across the bottom of every page. Another
> graphical element appears on every chapter title page. A third graphical
> element appears at the top of every left-hand page and a fourth graphical
> element appears at the top of every right-hand page. So every page has at
> least two graphical elements, not counting any graphics that might appear
> in the text.
> 
> I have imported the graphical elements by reference into the master page
> for each page type. The graphical elements are Adobe Illustrator graphics.

You're not using OLE (File > Import > Object), are you? Use File > Import > 
File. What format are the graphics? IIRC, FM 9 supports native Illustrator 
(.ai) file import. What file size are they?

> Although the pages look like they are supposed to, it takes ~6x as long to
> print a manual to PDF using this template and the PDF file size is ~3x
> larger than it was using the old template that had only one small
> graphical element on each chapter title page. Is there a better way to
> implement this design, or do I have to reconcile myself to >1 hour print
> times and mach larger PDFs?

I'd look at two things. First, if the AI files are really big, see if they can 
be "optimized" to cut down the file size, or try exporting to other formats. 
Second, look at your Distiller joboptions settings. Depending on the intended 
destination of the PDF (on-screen vs. office printer vs. high-quality press), 
you may be able to use a different joboptions file or tweak the 
compression/downsampling settings. 

Oh, and one other thing. When you say ">1 hour print times," are you talking 
about the time to create the PDF or the time to print the PDF on an office 
printer? If the latter, check how much memory the printer has and/or try 
different printers. 

If the former -- wow. You _are_ using the Adobe PDF printer instance, right?  

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Re: Pagination problem

[Mike Wickham]

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I 
have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when 
I open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page 
Count Odd."




Look at the pagination settings for the next file in the book. If the first 
file ends, say, on a left page, but the next file is set up to start on a 
left page, then FM adds an extra, blank, right page automatically to make 
that happen.


Mike Wickham


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Re: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Writer]

Pete, on your master pages, are the graphics in an anchored frame? If so, can 
you pull them out of the anchored frame, and then delete the anchored frame? I 
don't think the graphics will be referenced anymore, but it might resolve your 
issue to some degree.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Pete Roebber  wrote:

> From: Pete Roebber 
> Subject: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 2:29 PM
> I am attempting to implement my
> company's new design for manuals in a 
> Frame template and am running into a problem. The new
> design calls for a 
> graphical element running across the bottom of every page.
> Another 
> graphical element appears on every chapter title page. A
> third graphical 
> element appears at the top of every left-hand page and a
> fourth graphical 
> element appears at the top of every right-hand page. So
> every page has at 
> least two graphical elements, not counting any graphics
> that might appear 
> in the text.
> 
> I have imported the graphical elements by reference into
> the master page 
> for each page type. The graphical elements are Adobe
> Illustrator graphics. 
> 
> 
> Although the pages look like they are supposed to, it takes
> ~6x as long to 
> print a manual to PDF using this template and the PDF file
> size is ~3x 
> larger than it was using the old template that had only one
> small 
> graphical element on each chapter title page. Is there a
> better way to 
> implement this design, or do I have to reconcile myself to
> >1 hour print 
> times and mach larger PDFs?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pete
> FrameMaker 9.0 p250
> Windows XP Pro
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Re: Pagination problem

[Writer]

I assume that the pagination is set to double-sided (ie, left/right). If the 
preface has several individual FM documents in it, my guess is that each 
document is set to start on the right page, and the text of the troublesome 
document ends on a right page. Therefore, FM adds a blank left page so the next 
document can start on a right page.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Tim J. Slager  wrote:

> From: Tim J. Slager 
> Subject: Pagination problem
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:20 AM
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The
> first document should have two pages but insists on having
> three. When I delete the third page, save the file, and then
> open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my
> page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it
> doesn't stay. I have tried various settings in Format >
> Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it again the
> Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
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RE: Pagination problem

[Combs, Richard]

Tim J. Slager wrote:
 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document
> should have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third
> page, save the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This
> messes up my page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I
> have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when
> I open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Set (and trouble-shoot) pagination for a book component in the book window. The 
most likely explanation for your problem is that FM must add the extra page 
because of the 1st Page Side setting of the file that _follows_ this one. 

HTH!

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Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Writer]

Pete, on your master pages, are the graphics in an anchored frame? If so, can 
you pull them out of the anchored frame, and then delete the anchored frame? I 
don't think the graphics will be referenced anymore, but it might resolve your 
issue to some degree.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Pete Roebber  wrote:

> From: Pete Roebber 
> Subject: Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 2:29 PM
> I am attempting to implement my
> company's new design for manuals in a 
> Frame template and am running into a problem. The new
> design calls for a 
> graphical element running across the bottom of every page.
> Another 
> graphical element appears on every chapter title page. A
> third graphical 
> element appears at the top of every left-hand page and a
> fourth graphical 
> element appears at the top of every right-hand page. So
> every page has at 
> least two graphical elements, not counting any graphics
> that might appear 
> in the text.
> 
> I have imported the graphical elements by reference into
> the master page 
> for each page type. The graphical elements are Adobe
> Illustrator graphics. 
> 
> 
> Although the pages look like they are supposed to, it takes
> ~6x as long to 
> print a manual to PDF using this template and the PDF file
> size is ~3x 
> larger than it was using the old template that had only one
> small 
> graphical element on each chapter title page. Is there a
> better way to 
> implement this design, or do I have to reconcile myself to
> >1 hour print 
> times and mach larger PDFs?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pete
> FrameMaker 9.0 p250
> Windows XP Pro
> Intel Core 2 CPU
> 6300 @1.86GHz
> 2GB RAM
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Re: Pagination problem

[Scott White]

Have you gone to format>page layout>pagination and made sure the window is set 
to delete empty pages instead of something else.



Scott White
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On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Tim J. Slager wrote:

> PS: In some cases, the third page shows up only after I update the book.
> 
> I'm new to FM, so please assume user ignorance...
> 
> From: Tim J. Slager
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:20 AM
> To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
> Subject: Pagination problem
> 
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document 
> should have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third 
> page, save the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This 
> messes up my page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I 
> have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I 
> open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page 
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
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Text Inset Disappears

[Linda Camp]

I am using Unstructured FrameMaker 8.0p266 on Windows XP. We have converted a 
rather large users guide to include all text insets. When I opened a "main  
file" containing text insets, it looked fine.  However, when I double-clicked a 
text inset, the text inset file that opened was entirely different.  The 
original text inset file is no longer in the directory. It has actually 
disappeared from the network drive, but the original text from the inset is 
still in the "main file".   Has anyone else had anything similar to this? 
Thoughts we had were:

-  Is there a maximum number of text insets per document or book?

-  While I was working in one "master file," another writer was working 
in a different "master file" in the same book. Would this cause a problem?
Any experiences/suggestions/workarounds are appreciated!
Thanks

Linda Camp | Horizon Software International | Senior Technical Writer | 
770-554-6353 ext. 254 |
www.horizonsoftware.com

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Pagination problem

[Writer]

I assume that the pagination is set to double-sided (ie, left/right). If the 
preface has several individual FM documents in it, my guess is that each 
document is set to start on the right page, and the text of the troublesome 
document ends on a right page. Therefore, FM adds a blank left page so the next 
document can start on a right page.

Nadine

--- On Wed, 4/14/10, Tim J. Slager  wrote:

> From: Tim J. Slager 
> Subject: Pagination problem
> To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 2010, 10:20 AM
> FM 7.2, Windows XP
> 
> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The
> first document should have two pages but insists on having
> three. When I delete the third page, save the file, and then
> open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my
> page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it
> doesn't stay. I have tried various settings in Format >
> Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it again the
> Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any
> ideas?
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
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Pagination problem

[Combs, Richard]

Tim J. Slager wrote:

> I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document
> should have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third
> page, save the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This
> messes up my page numbering for the rest of the preface.
> 
> I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I
> have tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when
> I open it again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page
> Count Odd."
> 
> I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Set (and trouble-shoot) pagination for a book component in the book window. The 
most likely explanation for your problem is that FM must add the extra page 
because of the 1st Page Side setting of the file that _follows_ this one. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Pete Roebber]

I am attempting to implement my company's new design for manuals in a 
Frame template and am running into a problem. The new design calls for a 
graphical element running across the bottom of every page. Another 
graphical element appears on every chapter title page. A third graphical 
element appears at the top of every left-hand page and a fourth graphical 
element appears at the top of every right-hand page. So every page has at 
least two graphical elements, not counting any graphics that might appear 
in the text.

I have imported the graphical elements by reference into the master page 
for each page type. The graphical elements are Adobe Illustrator graphics. 


Although the pages look like they are supposed to, it takes ~6x as long to 
print a manual to PDF using this template and the PDF file size is ~3x 
larger than it was using the old template that had only one small 
graphical element on each chapter title page. Is there a better way to 
implement this design, or do I have to reconcile myself to >1 hour print 
times and mach larger PDFs?

Thanks,

Pete
FrameMaker 9.0 p250
Windows XP Pro
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6300 @1.86GHz
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RE: Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

PS: In some cases, the third page shows up only after I update the book.

I'm new to FM, so please assume user ignorance...

From: Tim J. Slager
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:20 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Pagination problem

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

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Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

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Graphic Elements in Frame 9 Template

[Pete Roebber]

I am attempting to implement my company's new design for manuals in a 
Frame template and am running into a problem. The new design calls for a 
graphical element running across the bottom of every page. Another 
graphical element appears on every chapter title page. A third graphical 
element appears at the top of every left-hand page and a fourth graphical 
element appears at the top of every right-hand page. So every page has at 
least two graphical elements, not counting any graphics that might appear 
in the text.

I have imported the graphical elements by reference into the master page 
for each page type. The graphical elements are Adobe Illustrator graphics. 


Although the pages look like they are supposed to, it takes ~6x as long to 
print a manual to PDF using this template and the PDF file size is ~3x 
larger than it was using the old template that had only one small 
graphical element on each chapter title page. Is there a better way to 
implement this design, or do I have to reconcile myself to >1 hour print 
times and mach larger PDFs?

Thanks,

Pete
FrameMaker 9.0 p250
Windows XP Pro
Intel Core 2 CPU
6300 @1.86GHz
2GB RAM

Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

PS: In some cases, the third page shows up only after I update the book.

I'm new to FM, so please assume user ignorance...

From: Tim J. Slager
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:20 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Pagination problem

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

Pagination problem

[Tim J. Slager]

FM 7.2, Windows XP

I have a preface with a number of FM documents in it. The first document should 
have two pages but insists on having three. When I delete the third page, save 
the file, and then open it again, the third page is back. This messes up my 
page numbering for the rest of the preface.

I've tried deleting the page from the Special menu, but it doesn't stay. I have 
tried various settings in Format > Page Layout > Pagination, but when I open it 
again the Before Saving & Printing setting reverts to "Make Page Count Odd."

I've wasted too much time trying to figure this out. Any ideas?

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit of a number?

[bern...@publishingsmarter.com]

Would an equation work for you? I think it's Special > Equation, and then you 
need to select Small, Medium, Large (based on font, not on complexity). From 
there click Symbols, and choose the Diacritical. In there select the very 
bottom leftmost symbol. Type a 9. Press Esc, m, p (note that is case sensitive) 
and it should work. If needed, go with a Medium or Large equation. I'd suggest 
you may want to build all of this one number in the equation editor.

Hope that helps,

Bernard



- Original Message -
From: syed.hos...@aeris.net
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: 4/13/10 8:57 PM
Subject: How do I add a recurring decimal dot above the last digit of a number?

> Hi, all.
> 
> I am using FM 9 (9.0p250) on a Vista system.
> 
> This document is written in English (specifically, Palatino Linotype for 
> general text and Consolas fonts in certain places) and have a need to add the 
> "recurring decimal" dot above a number. (There isn't any current need to 
> change this document into another language, by the way.)
> 
> For example, 10.999 where the last 9 has a dot on top to mean that there are 
> more 9's after  there - ad infinitum.
> 
> How do I do this in a generic way? I.e., add above the last digit of the 
> number only, without having to do something oddball that could make it 
> tortuous (since the digit could be different in different places or could be 
> changed/edited later, etc.).
> 
> Thanks!
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