date:20100518

Hello,

I would err against using a 'reverse' font, as I've found they are often
limited to a small subset of characters, and can sometime cause problems
when sending to print.

I would recommend Art Campbell's suggestion, of using a table with a
fill setting.  This way, the document can use the regular prescribed
font - which can assist situations where a document has to be translated
for a multi-language interfaces.

Regards
// Simon BUCH





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Sent: 18 May 2010 01:20
To: 'Dick Spierings'
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on
a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and
create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you
can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
d.spieri...@fluidwell.comwrote:

 I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
 background) in my body text. Examples are short words like RUN,
 STOP, SETUP and PROGRAM, which indicate system states.

 I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?



 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



 Dick Spierings



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RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



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From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.

Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion point anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
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RE: reversed text style

Hello Framers  Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


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From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


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Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



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From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion point anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 




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RE: reversed text style

Hi all,

Surprise that such a feature is not available. On the other hand, I have never 
been confronted with this in the last 10 years either!
What I need to reproduce are some black LCD display bulbs with text inside, 
representing a limited number of system states. Reading your feedback I think I 
better drop the idea of using reversed text and go for inline graphics on the 
reference page instead.

Thank you all for your feedback, it has been helpful.

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
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Aan: Dick Spierings
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

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r...@frameexpert.com

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art


On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
d.spieri...@fluidwell.comwrote:

 I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
 background) in my body text. Examples are short words like RUN,
 STOP, SETUP and PROGRAM, which indicate system states.

 I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?



 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



 Dick Spierings



 ' +31 (0)413 343786

   www.fluidwell.com http://www.fluidwell.com/

 * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com




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RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
 +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


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Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



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From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion point anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 




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Re: reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Brad Anderson

Dick,

You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.  The 
first paragraph controls the look/height of the dark colored bar.  The second 
paragraph controls the reversed text.

http://www.beyondprint.com/2010/05/creating-reversed-headings-in-framemaker/

Best Regards

Brad



On May 18, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Simon BUCH wrote:

 Hello Dick,
 
 If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
 probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
 or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
 using anchored frames.
 
 I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
 instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For 
 example: I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
 instructions like:
   To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
 ... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.
 
 
 Hope that helps
 // Simon BUCH
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
 Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
 To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: Rick Quatro
 Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed 
 text style
 
 Hi Simon,
 
 The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
 simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
 Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided 
 to rule that option out.
 
 Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with 
 black background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the 
 text like you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no at insertion 
 point anchoring position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about 
 a single word somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 
 
 Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
  
 Dick Spierings
  
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2010-05-18 Thread George, Brenda (CAI)

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RE: reversed text style

Hi Simon,
Just a warning upfront: This could end up in a long discussion as each writer 
has his/her own preferences, and should have - to maintain this profession as 
an art instead of just another job. ;-)

I think I get your drift, but for me the temptation as a user to just pressed 
as it says here I should do so... stays: It is not just in the used 
punctuation and line separation but moreover in the emphasis combined with the 
wording: Your separation in different lines would make no difference to me as 
the sentence structure has not changed a bit; I would still act the same I 
suppose...

It may be enough for others, but I think rephrasing and weight balancing is 
also necessary here. What I think I should see are an acknowledge this step, 
and a subsequent act now step. If the first step is likely to be skipped you 
need to make sure the weight shifts to the first line and you have a virtual 
full stop and now think remark standing out between these two lines. 

The emphasis that your button graphics automatically get (due to the abnormal 
typeface of graphics in text), acts as honey to bees and should be balanced 
(maybe even over balanced - can't hurt!) by the just as important line right 
above which tells you to WAIT for these indicators...

I would therefore rephrase as follows: 
(note that both [X] and {FOO}/{BAR} are eye-catching graphics)


1. **Make sure** system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown.
2. After confirming step 1 enter [X][X][X]


The numbering emphasizes that this instruction actually exists of two steps; a 
first warning not just to enter [X][X][X]. I then emphasized **make sure** to 
increase the weight of the first step to make it stand out better and draw more 
attention than the subsequent step: In my opinion this too helps draw the 
readers' eye to the top line, despite the tempting buttons in the second line 
(which you may also choose to reformat and stand-out less). Finally I embedded 
a silent warning in the second step: After confirming step 1..., a third 
indicator that there's more to do than just enter [X][X][X]!


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
 +31 (0)413 343786
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w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


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Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:41
Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro; Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Framers  Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


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From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Dick Spierings
 
' +31 (0)413 343786
  www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 


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Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
//

Re: reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Rickaby

At 06:28 -0500 18/5/10, Brad Anderson wrote:

You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.

Yes, we have used this technique extensively, after trying other options such 
as tables. You can see the results here...

http://www.amazon.com/Java-Actually-Comprehensive-Primer-Programming/dp/1844809331/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1274200946sr=1-4

Only one thing to add: in structured FrameMaker, you can 'bind' the two 
paragraphs together with a parent element, which makes the whole scheme simpler 
to use.

-- 
---
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RE: reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
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folder structure

2010-05-18 Thread Tim J. Slager

I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure. We 
are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be a 
good time to change the folder structure.

The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a  book 
at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common 
across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM 
files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent 
folder.

I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are 
the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.

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Re: folder structure

2010-05-18 Thread David Spreadbury

Tim,
I would expect that the concensus will be to create the folder structure that 
fits your way of thinking and what will work for your documents.
 
Initially I would gather all of the relevant pieces into a clean structure and 
Bruce Foster's Archive is the tool to collect and assemble all of the pieces.
 
One gotcha you are going to run into is cross-references. A nice thing about 
Archive is that it fixes them during it's slight of hand. Very useful tool 
that, for me anyhow, has more than paid for itself. I think it is still going 
for $20, but don't hold me to that.

If you feel the need, then move the product specific stuff to sub-folders in 
the archived tree.
 
Then you will have to rebuild all cross-references to the specific stuff 
manually. Links to graphics should be okay, but if graphic links to the 
specific stuff do break, fixing the first one should fix all for that specific 
product.
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From: Tim J. Slager tsla...@isdcorporation.com
Subject: folder structure
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 3:41 PM


I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure. We 
are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be a 
good time to change the folder structure.

The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a  book 
at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common 
across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM 
files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent 
folder.

I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are 
the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373
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It really depends on whether you are using a version control system that
replicates the repository's directory structure for a given project on each
user's system (typical for code-oriented version control or configuration
management systems such as SVN or VSS), or whether you are using a system that
normally places all checked-out files for a project in the same directory
(typical for document-oriented content management systems like Documentum). I
have worked with both types of system, and have found that the optimum
directory structure is quite different between the two.

-Fred Ridder

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Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:41:27 -0400
Subject: folder structure

I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure.
We are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be
a good time to change the folder structure.

The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a book
at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common
across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM
files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent
folder.

I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are
the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.

Thanks. tims

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RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9

2010-05-18 Thread Rick Spiegel

Hi Mike,

I have tested opening the files in the book by choosing File  Open All 
Files in Book, and they all open with no problem.  It almost seems like 
the number of files is the problem, because if I remove a few from the 
book, starting at the file at which the crash happens, and then run the 
script again, it will crash at the first file after the few I have 
removed. And yet in Frame 7, the script runs just fine. 

Any further thoughts?  By the way, I have also posted to framescript-users 
as you suggested.

Thanks again,
Rick





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05/17/2010 06:50 PM

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RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9






Hi Rick,
 
That code works fine for me on FM9. As simple as the script is, I'd 
suspect there's an issue with one of the files in the book. Does FM crash 
at the same place each time? I'd test to see if you can open/save all the 
files manually using the FM interface.
 
HTH,
Mike
 
 To: mt_pear...@hotmail.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
 From: spie...@abinitio.com
 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:25:38 -0400
 
 Hi Michael,
 
 Thanks for your response. Here's the code:
 
 IF ActiveBook = 0
 DISPLAY 'No active book.'
 LEAVESUB;
 ELSE
 SET vCurrentBook = ActiveBook;
 ENDIF
 
 LOOP ForEach(BookComponent) In(vCurrentBook) LoopVar(bookcomp)
 OPEN Document File(bookcomp.Name) NewVar(vDobj) FileIsOldVersion(OK) 
 FontNotFoundInDoc(OK) FontNotFoundInCatalog(OK) 
 AlertUserAboutFailure(False) FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue) 
 RefFileNotFound(AllowAllRefFilesUnFindable) LanguageNotAvailable(OK) 
 FontChangedMetric(OK);
 SAVE Document DocObject(vDobj);
 CLOSE Document DocObject(vDobj); 
 ENDLOOP
 
 And I will take your suggestion and post to the framescript-users group 
as 
 well.
 
 Thanks,
 Rick
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Pearson mt_pear...@hotmail.com 
 05/17/2010 05:09 PM
 
 To
 spie...@abinitio.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
 cc
 
 Subject
 RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Rick,
 
 I've not had any trouble with FM9 and FrameScript. In fact, I run 
 identical scripts on FM7.2, FM8 and FM9 on an almost daily basis. Why 
 don't you post the code so we can all have a look.
 
 Also, for FS questions, you might be better off posting here: 
 http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/
 HTH,
 Mike
 
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
  From: spie...@abinitio.com
  Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:34 -0400
  
  I have recently upgraded to Frame 9 and FrameScript 5.2R1 from Frame 7 

 and 
  FrameScript 2.1. I find that when I run a simple script that opens, 
 saves, 
  and closes all the files in a large book file, using FrameScript 5.2 
and 
 
  Frame 9, Frame crashes repeatedly. When I run the same script in Frame 
7 
 
  (using the same FrameScript 5.2R1) on a Frame 7 book file with Frame 7 

  versions of all the same files in it, it works just fine.
  
  Has anybody else experienced this sort of problem, and more 
importantly, 
 
  does anyone know what the problem might be and how I might fix it?
  
  Thanks,
  Rick Spiegel
  
  
  
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Re: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith

On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:34 -0400, Rick Spiegel spie...@abinitio.com 
wrote:

I have recently upgraded to Frame 9 and FrameScript 5.2R1 from Frame 7 and 
FrameScript 2.1. I find that when I run a simple script that opens, saves, 
and closes all the files in a large book file, using FrameScript 5.2 and 
Frame 9,  Frame crashes repeatedly. When I run the same script in Frame 7 
(using the same FrameScript 5.2R1) on a Frame 7 book file with Frame 7 
versions of all the same files in it, it works just fine.

Has anybody else experienced this sort of problem, and more importantly, 
does anyone know what the problem might be and how I might fix it?

I just noticed that there is a related thread on the FDK
developers' list, starting with:
  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/frame_dev/message/1516

The current conclusion seems to be that it's an issue with 
the number of files, that it is new with Frame 9, and:

For those of you trying to open a lot of files from a book, setting  
FS_MakeVisible to False might prevent the application 'hang' that 
you are experiencing.

I don't know if FrameScript lets you do that, or how useful
it would be in your situation to have invisible files open.

HTH...

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RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9


Hi Rick,

 

Is your version of FM9 fully patched? I believe FM9p250 is the latest and would 
recommend you update if you haven't already.

 

If that doesn't help, my only advice is to insert some debugging lines into the 
script to find out which command and file is giving you trouble. Sprinkle 
WRITE Console... commands liberally around the script and then examine the 
consfile.txt file after the crash to see if you can't narrow it down to a 
particular command or file that's causing the trouble.

 

HTH,

Mike
 
 To: mt_pear...@hotmail.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
 From: spie...@abinitio.com
 Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:41:32 -0400
 
 Hi Mike,
 
 I have tested opening the files in the book by choosing File  Open All 
 Files in Book, and they all open with no problem. It almost seems like 
 the number of files is the problem, because if I remove a few from the 
 book, starting at the file at which the crash happens, and then run the 
 script again, it will crash at the first file after the few I have 
 removed. And yet in Frame 7, the script runs just fine. 
 
 Any further thoughts? By the way, I have also posted to framescript-users 
 as you suggested.
 
 Thanks again,
 Rick
 
 
 
 
 
 Michael Pearson mt_pear...@hotmail.com 
 05/17/2010 06:50 PM
 
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 spie...@abinitio.com
 cc
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject
 RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi Rick,
 
 That code works fine for me on FM9. As simple as the script is, I'd 
 suspect there's an issue with one of the files in the book. Does FM crash 
 at the same place each time? I'd test to see if you can open/save all the 
 files manually using the FM interface.
 
 HTH,
 Mike
 
  To: mt_pear...@hotmail.com
  CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
  From: spie...@abinitio.com
  Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:25:38 -0400
  
  Hi Michael,
  
  Thanks for your response. Here's the code:
  
  IF ActiveBook = 0
  DISPLAY 'No active book.'
  LEAVESUB;
  ELSE
  SET vCurrentBook = ActiveBook;
  ENDIF
  
  LOOP ForEach(BookComponent) In(vCurrentBook) LoopVar(bookcomp)
  OPEN Document File(bookcomp.Name) NewVar(vDobj) FileIsOldVersion(OK) 
  FontNotFoundInDoc(OK) FontNotFoundInCatalog(OK) 
  AlertUserAboutFailure(False) FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue) 
  RefFileNotFound(AllowAllRefFilesUnFindable) LanguageNotAvailable(OK) 
  FontChangedMetric(OK);
  SAVE Document DocObject(vDobj);
  CLOSE Document DocObject(vDobj); 
  ENDLOOP
  
  And I will take your suggestion and post to the framescript-users group 
 as 
  well.
  
  Thanks,
  Rick
  
  
  
  
  
  Michael Pearson mt_pear...@hotmail.com 
  05/17/2010 05:09 PM
  
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  spie...@abinitio.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
  cc
  
  Subject
  RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Hi Rick,
  
  I've not had any trouble with FM9 and FrameScript. In fact, I run 
  identical scripts on FM7.2, FM8 and FM9 on an almost daily basis. Why 
  don't you post the code so we can all have a look.
  
  Also, for FS questions, you might be better off posting here: 
  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/
  HTH,
  Mike
  
   To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
   Subject: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
   From: spie...@abinitio.com
   Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:34 -0400
   
   I have recently upgraded to Frame 9 and FrameScript 5.2R1 from Frame 7 
 
  and 
   FrameScript 2.1. I find that when I run a simple script that opens, 
  saves, 
   and closes all the files in a large book file, using FrameScript 5.2 
 and 
  
   Frame 9, Frame crashes repeatedly. When I run the same script in Frame 
 7 
  
   (using the same FrameScript 5.2R1) on a Frame 7 book file with Frame 7 
 
   versions of all the same files in it, it works just fine.
   
   Has anybody else experienced this sort of problem, and more 
 importantly, 
  
   does anyone know what the problem might be and how I might fix it?
   
   Thanks,
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RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9

Rick,

You can open the files invisibly by adding the parameter MakeVisible(False)
to the Open command in your current script. Something else that might help save
on memory a bit is to avoid updating xrefs and insets (if that works for your
situation) by adding UpdateTextReferences(No) and UpdateXRefs(No) params to
the Open command. Just a thought.

OPEN Document File(bookcomp.Name) NewVar(vDobj) FileIsOldVersion(OK)
FontNotFoundInDoc(OK) FontNotFoundInCatalog(OK)
AlertUserAboutFailure(False) FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue)
RefFileNotFound(AllowAllRefFilesUnFindable) LanguageNotAvailable(OK)
FontChangedMetric(OK) MakeVisible(False) UpdateTextReferences(No)
UpdateXRefs(No);

HTH,
Mike

From: jer...@omsys.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:14:25 -0700
CC: spie...@abinitio.com

On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:34 -0400, Rick Spiegel spie...@abinitio.com
wrote:

I have recently upgraded to Frame 9 and FrameScript 5.2R1 from Frame 7 and
FrameScript 2.1. I find that when I run a simple script that opens, saves,
and closes all the files in a large book file, using FrameScript 5.2 and
Frame 9, Frame crashes repeatedly. When I run the same script in Frame 7
(using the same FrameScript 5.2R1) on a Frame 7 book file with Frame 7
versions of all the same files in it, it works just fine.

Has anybody else experienced this sort of problem, and more importantly,
does anyone know what the problem might be and how I might fix it?

I just noticed that there is a related thread on the FDK
developers' list, starting with:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/frame_dev/message/1516

The current conclusion seems to be that it's an issue with
the number of files, that it is new with Frame 9, and:

For those of you trying to open a lot of files from a book, setting
FS_MakeVisible to False might prevent the application 'hang' that
you are experiencing.

I don't know if FrameScript lets you do that, or how useful
it would be in your situation to have invisible files open.

HTH...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/
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FrameMaker 9 Repeatable Hard Crash

2010-05-18 Thread Oran Petersen



We have discovered a repeatable bug causing a hard crash in FrameMaker 9. By 
hard crash I mean Frame locks up, goes sort of white screen, starts eating up 
the CPU, and requires Task Manager to break out, sometimes after multiple 
attempts. It will drive the CPU to 100 percent, effectively disabling the 
machine. Frame is fully patched p250. 



To demonstrate, just open a new file, insert a default table, such as Format A, 
and Import Formats Current. You will go down hard. This happens on any Windows 
version, XP, or 7, that we have been able to test. It happens on all machines 
tested. 



I have also discovered that if you change the table designer settings to No 
Title the issue goes away. If you add a title to an existing table and import 
formats current you crash. 



More interesting facts: The task manager shows FrameMaker twice, even though 
only one has been launched. You must actually terminate both entries in task 
manager to break out. Then it takes a bit for the CPU usage to calm down. It 
acts like Frame does not know how to handle Current and is trying to launch 
Frame a 2nd time and freezing in the processes. 



If you import from a different file (not current) you do not crash. 



Of course we can avoid the crash by not importing current. But a more insidious 
side of this is that we are getting random instant crashes while performing 
operations on large book files that are causing serious reliability and 
usability issues with our attempted upgrade to Frame 9. Researching the issue 
is taking time that we do not have. So far it looks like it is files with 
tables that are triggering these random crashes as well. If we cannot reliably 
operate on our books we will not be able to upgrade to Frame 9. We do thousands 
of processes a year and random crashes would be a nightmare. 

We are using structured files, but unstructured ones have the same issue. 



Is anyone else experiencing these issues, or does anyone have any clues as how 
to prevent them? 

Thanks 

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How to kill annoying Adobe Update

2010-05-18 Thread Hedley Finger

Adobe Update thinks it's in the middle of downloading an updated app. 
Every time I boot my Windows computer, it appears, and informs that it 
is completing a download -- except there is no filename or app shown in 
the pending downloads pane.
How can I kill this off permanently? Presumably, downloading Adobe 
Reader latest version and installing it would reinstall Adobe Updater.

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reversed text style

Hello,

I would err against using a 'reverse' font, as I've found they are often
limited to a small subset of characters, and can sometime cause problems
when sending to print.

I would recommend Art Campbell's suggestion, of using a table with a
fill setting.  This way, the document can use the regular prescribed
font - which can assist situations where a document has to be translated
for a multi-language interfaces.

Regards
// Simon BUCH

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: 18 May 2010 01:20
To: 'Dick Spierings'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on
a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and
create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you
can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
wrote:

> I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
> background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN",
> "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states.
>
> I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?
>
>
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dick Spierings
>
>
>
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
>
> "  www.fluidwell.com 
>
> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com

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reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



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Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.

Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
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w d.spierings at fluidwell.com

reversed text style

Hello Framers & Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com

reversed text style

Hi all,

Surprise that such a feature is not available. On the other hand, I have never 
been confronted with this in the last 10 years either!
What I need to reproduce are some black LCD display "bulbs" with text inside, 
representing a limited number of system states. Reading your feedback I think I 
better drop the idea of using reversed text and go for inline graphics on the 
reference page instead.

Thank you all for your feedback, it has been helpful.

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
? +31 (0)413 343786
?? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Rick Quatro [mailto:rick at rickquatro.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 2:24
Aan: Dick Spierings
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hi Dick,

Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM
To: Dick Spierings
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: reversed text style

If I were you, I'd either:
 * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a
Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags.
Or
 * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a
paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a
special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can
control the placement precisely.

Cheers,
Art

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings
wrote:

> I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black
> background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN",
> "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states.
>
> I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...?
>
>
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Dick Spierings
>
>
>
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
>
> "  www.fluidwell.com 
>
> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com

reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
? +31 (0)413 343786
?? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.


Hope that helps
// Simon BUCH



-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text 
style

Hi Simon,

The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to 
rule that option out.


Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black 
background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like 
you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring 
position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word 
somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com

reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Brad Anderson

Dick,

You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.  The 
first paragraph controls the look/height of the dark colored bar.  The second 
paragraph controls the reversed text.

http://www.beyondprint.com/2010/05/creating-reversed-headings-in-framemaker/

Best Regards

Brad



On May 18, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Simon BUCH wrote:

> Hello Dick,
> 
> If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
> probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
> or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
> using anchored frames.
> 
> I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
> instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For 
> example: I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
> instructions like:
>   To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
> ... and I've seen some trainees diligently type:  000.
> 
> 
> Hope that helps
> // Simon BUCH
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spierings at fluidwell.com] 
> Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36
> To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: Rick Quatro
> Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed 
> text style
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and 
> simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading 
> Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided 
> to rule that option out.
> 
> Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with 
> black background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the 
> text like you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion 
> point" anchoring position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about 
> a single word somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. 
> 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>  
> Dick Spierings
>  
> ' +31 (0)413 343786
> "  www.fluidwell.com
> w d.spierings at fluidwell.com

Eliminating "NoName" Element in flowed FrameMaker files

2010-05-18 Thread George, Brenda (CAI)

When I validate Structured FrameMaker files that I flow, I am noticing that I 
am getting the following validation error:
Element: NoName
Element is undefined.

What can I do to stop FrameMaker from embedding this top-level "NoName" element 
into the FrameMaker files that I flow?

Brenda George
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reversed text style

Hi Simon,
Just a warning upfront: This could end up in a long discussion as each writer 
has his/her own preferences, and should have - to maintain this profession as 
an art instead of just another job. ;-)

I think I get your drift, but for me the temptation as a user to "just pressed 
as it says here I should do so..." stays: It is not just in the used 
punctuation and line separation but moreover in the emphasis combined with the 
wording: Your separation in different lines would make no difference to me as 
the sentence structure has not changed a bit; I would still act the same I 
suppose...

It may be enough for others, but I think rephrasing and "weight balancing" is 
also necessary here. What I think I should see are an "acknowledge this" step, 
and a subsequent "act now" step. If the first step is likely to be skipped you 
need to make sure the weight shifts to the first line and you have a virtual 
"full stop and now think" remark standing out between these two lines. 

The emphasis that your button graphics automatically get (due to the abnormal 
"typeface" of graphics in text), acts as honey to bees and should be balanced 
(maybe even over balanced - can't hurt!) by the just as important line right 
above which tells you to WAIT for these indicators...

I would therefore rephrase as follows: 
(note that both [X] and {FOO}/{BAR} are eye-catching graphics)


1. **Make sure** system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown.
2. After confirming step 1 enter [X][X][X]


The numbering emphasizes that this instruction actually exists of two steps; a 
first warning not just to enter [X][X][X]. I then emphasized **make sure** to 
increase the weight of the first step to make it stand out better and draw more 
attention than the subsequent step: In my opinion this too helps draw the 
readers' eye to the top line, despite the tempting buttons in the second line 
(which you may also choose to reformat and stand-out less). Finally I embedded 
a silent warning in the second step: "After confirming step 1...", a third 
indicator that there's more to do than just enter [X][X][X]!


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
? +31 (0)413 343786
?? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:41
Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro; Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Framers & Dick,

My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and 
X and .

I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]

Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple. 


Regards
// Simon


-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] 
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style

Simon,

I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.

Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to 
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide 
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device 
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be 
executed. 

Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start 
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not 
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be 
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended 
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com 


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] 
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style

Hello Dick,

If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll 
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, 
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, 
using anchored frames.

I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting 
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users.   For example: 
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have 
instructions like:
To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0].
... and I've seen some trainees

reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Rickaby

At 06:28 -0500 18/5/10, Brad Anderson wrote:

>You can do this even more simply with 2 paragraph formats.  I've just post a 
>sample FrameMaker document at my website to demonstrate how this is done.

Yes, we have used this technique extensively, after trying other options such 
as tables. You can see the results here...

Only one thing to add: in structured FrameMaker, you can 'bind' the two 
paragraphs together with a parent element, which makes the whole scheme simpler 
to use.

-- 
---
Steve Rickaby, WordMongers Ltd http://www.wordmongers.co.uk

reversed text style

2010-05-18 Thread Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp

Hello Dick,

Two more options I haven't seen passing by:

- Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in
that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit
nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you
rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically
adapt to the text length. 

- Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web
pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very
nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex.

But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be
more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if
needed.

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

Don't forget to invite your contacts to join us at NLDITA 2010. Looking
forward to see you there!

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folder structure

2010-05-18 Thread Tim J. Slager

I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure. We 
are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be a 
good time to change the folder structure.

The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a  book 
at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common 
across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM 
files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent 
folder.

I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are 
the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

folder structure

2010-05-18 Thread David Spreadbury

Tim,
I would expect that the concensus will be to create the folder structure that 
fits your way of thinking and what will work for your documents.
?
Initially I would gather all of the relevant pieces into a clean structure and 
Bruce Foster's Archive is the tool to collect and assemble all of the pieces.
?
One gotcha you are going to run into is cross-references. A nice thing about 
Archive is that it fixes them during it's slight of hand. Very useful tool 
that, for me anyhow, has more than paid for itself. I think it is still going 
for $20, but don't hold me to that.

If you feel the need, then move the product specific stuff to sub-folders in 
the archived tree.
?
Then you will have to rebuild all cross-references to the specific stuff 
manually. Links to graphics should be okay, but if graphic links to the 
specific stuff do break, fixing the first one should fix all for that specific 
product.
--- On Tue, 5/18/10, Tim J. Slager  wrote:


From: Tim J. Slager 
Subject: folder structure
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 3:41 PM


I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure. We 
are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be a 
good time to change the folder structure.

The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a? book 
at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common 
across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM 
files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent 
folder.

I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are 
the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.

Thanks. tims

Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

folder structure

2010-05-18 Thread Fred Ridder


It really depends on whether you are using a version control system that 
replicates the repository's directory structure for a given project on each 
user's system (typical for code-oriented version control or configuration 
management systems such as SVN or VSS), or whether you are using a system that 
normally places all checked-out files for a project in the same directory 
(typical for document-oriented content management systems like Documentum). I 
have worked with both types of system, and have found that the optimum 
directory structure is quite different between the two. 



-Fred Ridder

> From: TSlager at isdcorporation.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:41:27 -0400
> Subject: folder structure
> 
> I inherited a book with chapters and files in a complex directory structure. 
> We are changing from one version-control software to another, so now would be 
> a good time to change the folder structure.
> 
> The complex structure makes it difficult to check out all the files in a book 
> at once. It seems to me that it would be easier to have files that are common 
> across products in a common files folder, and to have all the rest of the .FM 
> files for each product/FM book in a single folder, with images in an adjacent 
> folder.
> 
> I am wondering if there are recommendations for file structure, and what are 
> the gotchas I'm likely to encounter if I move things around.
> 
> Thanks. tims
> 
> Tim Slager | ISD Tech Pubs | 616.494.1373

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Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9

2010-05-18 Thread Rick Spiegel

Hi Mike,

I have tested opening the files in the book by choosing File > Open All 
Files in Book, and they all open with no problem.  It almost seems like 
the number of files is the problem, because if I remove a few from the 
book, starting at the file at which the crash happens, and then run the 
script again, it will crash at the first file after the few I have 
removed. And yet in Frame 7, the script runs just fine. 

Any further thoughts?  By the way, I have also posted to framescript-users 
as you suggested.

Thanks again,
Rick





Michael Pearson  
05/17/2010 06:50 PM

To

cc

Subject
RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9






Hi Rick,

That code works fine for me on FM9. As simple as the script is, I'd 
suspect there's an issue with one of the files in the book. Does FM crash 
at the same place each time? I'd test to see if you can open/save all the 
files manually using the FM interface.

HTH,
Mike

> To: mt_pearson at hotmail.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> From: spiegel at abinitio.com
> Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:25:38 -0400
> 
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Thanks for your response. Here's the code:
> 
> IF ActiveBook = 0
> DISPLAY 'No active book.'
> LEAVESUB;
> ELSE
> SET vCurrentBook = ActiveBook;
> ENDIF
> 
> LOOP ForEach(BookComponent) In(vCurrentBook) LoopVar(bookcomp)
> OPEN Document File(bookcomp.Name) NewVar(vDobj) FileIsOldVersion(OK) 
> FontNotFoundInDoc(OK) FontNotFoundInCatalog(OK) 
> AlertUserAboutFailure(False) FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue) 
> RefFileNotFound(AllowAllRefFilesUnFindable) LanguageNotAvailable(OK) 
> FontChangedMetric(OK);
> SAVE Document DocObject(vDobj);
> CLOSE Document DocObject(vDobj); 
> ENDLOOP
> 
> And I will take your suggestion and post to the framescript-users group 
as 
> well.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Pearson  
> 05/17/2010 05:09 PM
> 
> To
> , 
> cc
> 
> Subject
> RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> I've not had any trouble with FM9 and FrameScript. In fact, I run 
> identical scripts on FM7.2, FM8 and FM9 on an almost daily basis. Why 
> don't you post the code so we can all have a look.
> 
> Also, for FS questions, you might be better off posting here: 
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/
> HTH,
> Mike
> 
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> > From: spiegel at abinitio.com
> > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:34 -0400
> > 
> > I have recently upgraded to Frame 9 and FrameScript 5.2R1 from Frame 7 

> and 
> > FrameScript 2.1. I find that when I run a simple script that opens, 
> saves, 
> > and closes all the files in a large book file, using FrameScript 5.2 
and 
> 
> > Frame 9, Frame crashes repeatedly. When I run the same script in Frame 
7 
> 
> > (using the same FrameScript 5.2R1) on a Frame 7 book file with Frame 7 

> > versions of all the same files in it, it works just fine.
> > 
> > Has anybody else experienced this sort of problem, and more 
importantly, 
> 
> > does anyone know what the problem might be and how I might fix it?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Rick Spiegel
> > 
> > 
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Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9

2010-05-18 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith

On Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:34 -0400, "Rick Spiegel"  
wrote:

>I have recently upgraded to Frame 9 and FrameScript 5.2R1 from Frame 7 and 
>FrameScript 2.1. I find that when I run a simple script that opens, saves, 
>and closes all the files in a large book file, using FrameScript 5.2 and 
>Frame 9,  Frame crashes repeatedly. When I run the same script in Frame 7 
>(using the same FrameScript 5.2R1) on a Frame 7 book file with Frame 7 
>versions of all the same files in it, it works just fine.
>
>Has anybody else experienced this sort of problem, and more importantly, 
>does anyone know what the problem might be and how I might fix it?

I just noticed that there is a related thread on the FDK
developers' list, starting with:
  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/frame_dev/message/1516

The current conclusion seems to be that it's an issue with 
the number of files, that it is new with Frame 9, and:

>>For those of you trying to open a lot of files from a book, setting  
>>FS_MakeVisible to False might prevent the application 'hang' that 
>>you are experiencing.

I don't know if FrameScript lets you do that, or how useful
it would be in your situation to have "invisible" files open.

HTH...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9


Hi Rick,



Is your version of FM9 fully patched? I believe FM9p250 is the latest and would 
recommend you update if you haven't already.



If that doesn't help, my only advice is to insert some debugging lines into the 
script to find out which command and file is giving you trouble. Sprinkle 
"WRITE Console..." commands liberally around the script and then examine the 
"consfile.txt" file after the crash to see if you can't narrow it down to a 
particular command or file that's causing the trouble.



HTH,

Mike

> To: mt_pearson at hotmail.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> From: spiegel at abinitio.com
> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:41:32 -0400
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I have tested opening the files in the book by choosing File > Open All 
> Files in Book, and they all open with no problem. It almost seems like 
> the number of files is the problem, because if I remove a few from the 
> book, starting at the file at which the crash happens, and then run the 
> script again, it will crash at the first file after the few I have 
> removed. And yet in Frame 7, the script runs just fine. 
> 
> Any further thoughts? By the way, I have also posted to framescript-users 
> as you suggested.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Pearson  
> 05/17/2010 06:50 PM
> 
> To
> 
> cc
> 
> Subject
> RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> That code works fine for me on FM9. As simple as the script is, I'd 
> suspect there's an issue with one of the files in the book. Does FM crash 
> at the same place each time? I'd test to see if you can open/save all the 
> files manually using the FM interface.
> 
> HTH,
> Mike
> 
> > To: mt_pearson at hotmail.com
> > CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> > From: spiegel at abinitio.com
> > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:25:38 -0400
> > 
> > Hi Michael,
> > 
> > Thanks for your response. Here's the code:
> > 
> > IF ActiveBook = 0
> > DISPLAY 'No active book.'
> > LEAVESUB;
> > ELSE
> > SET vCurrentBook = ActiveBook;
> > ENDIF
> > 
> > LOOP ForEach(BookComponent) In(vCurrentBook) LoopVar(bookcomp)
> > OPEN Document File(bookcomp.Name) NewVar(vDobj) FileIsOldVersion(OK) 
> > FontNotFoundInDoc(OK) FontNotFoundInCatalog(OK) 
> > AlertUserAboutFailure(False) FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue) 
> > RefFileNotFound(AllowAllRefFilesUnFindable) LanguageNotAvailable(OK) 
> > FontChangedMetric(OK);
> > SAVE Document DocObject(vDobj);
> > CLOSE Document DocObject(vDobj); 
> > ENDLOOP
> > 
> > And I will take your suggestion and post to the framescript-users group 
> as 
> > well.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Rick
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Michael Pearson  
> > 05/17/2010 05:09 PM
> > 
> > To
> > , 
> > cc
> > 
> > Subject
> > RE: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Rick,
> > 
> > I've not had any trouble with FM9 and FrameScript. In fact, I run 
> > identical scripts on FM7.2, FM8 and FM9 on an almost daily basis. Why 
> > don't you post the code so we can all have a look.
> > 
> > Also, for FS questions, you might be better off posting here: 
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/
> > HTH,
> > Mike
> > 
> > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > > Subject: Problem running FrameScript in Frame 9
> > > From: spiegel at abinitio.com
> > > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:24:34 -0400
> > > 
> > > I have recently upgraded to Frame 9 and FrameScript 5.2R1 from Frame 7 
> 
> > and 
> > > FrameScript 2.1. I find that when I run a simple script that opens, 
> > saves, 
> > > and closes all the files in a large book file, using FrameScript 5.2 
> and 
> > 
> > > Frame 9, Frame crashes repeatedly. When I run the same script in Frame 
> 7 
> > 
> > > (using the same FrameScript 5.2R1) on a Frame 7 book file with Frame 7 
> 
> > > versions of all the same files in it, it works just fine.
> > > 
> > > Has anybody else experienced this sort of problem, and more 
> importantly, 
> > 
> > > does anyone know what the problem might be and how I might fix it?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Rick Spiegel
> > > 
> > > 
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