AW: paragraph tag report? | Find TOOLBOX
Hi Mike. I very enjoy for your plaudit about TOOLBOX. Indeed worldwide many many users take TOOLBOX for FrameMaker since release 5. Then for UNIX, Mac and Windows - what a time! I'm the founder of all and I want that you all would find the information very quickly. Therefore every time we are optimizing the web site, the order processing with expert of our marketing and development. I'm so sorry if some isn't so easy, please send us any questions or wishes. 1. Find TOOLBOX since some years here: www.toolboxforme.com in English and German. 2. If you want to contact our US expert for SQUIDDS in Midlothian (VA), don't hesitate to contact him: Robert Fehrmann +1 804 683 9110 Or write an e-Mail to Fehrmann at squidds.de or to contact at toolboxforme.com 3. You could order by paypal at a reduce rate for the US market only or send us the order form with all information: www.toolboxforme.com If your payment should not be via paypal there is an US bank account please send us a check or send us via bank transfer. 4. TOOLBOX is available as a completely package (with all modules) and every single modules. There are bundles too: DITA Package and 3D PDF Package with exclusive plug-ins. 5. TOOLBOX (since 7.6.1) is available with online activation via internet. It is very easy to change the machine or add another machine. 6. There is a ticket system for your support: 24h and 7 days for free: www.squidds-ticket.de (in English and German) 7. There is a facebook account with TOOLBOX Group: http://bit.ly/byytyt We do our best for you users and we are very appreciative of your feedback for all what we can do for you. Thanks for choosing TOOLBOX. - Georg -Urspr?ngliche Nachricht- Von: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Wickham Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Juni 2010 23:46 An: Frame Users Betreff: Re: paragraph tag report? The Format List plugin, part of the Squidds Toolbox is the best at this. Unlike the other suggestions, it puts the results in a table, so that you can look at all your paragraph formats in a glance. Scanning a row will tell you the definition of a given tag. Scanning a column will compare the setting in all the tags. Unfortunately, the Squids site is an awful mess. It's a German site with English translations that make it even worse. So finding what you want there is pure hell. You can buy the whole Toolbox or just the individual tools, but finding the list of individual modules isn't easy-- and every time I do, they change the danged links! Here's a link for the whole Toolbox, with old versions at the bottom of the page. You'll have to hunt on your own to find the individual modules, since they are no longer in the location I had linked. Format List is worth it, if you can find it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as eck at squidds.de. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/eck%40squidds.de Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Hi Art. Thanks for the response. >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could become a potential maintenance nightmare. >> I think it's unnecessary I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So they want what they see elsewhere. >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that horrifying potential in practice. I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again, as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I could them about this. >> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably can. As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget... >> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. I will have to check that out. Thanks. >> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the clipboard. Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, why repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.) Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a repeat instance. Great thanks, - avi On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the > impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a > basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, > there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept > for an hour or so, your readers probably can. > > If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one > of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the > word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > clipboard. > > Art Campbell >art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? >> >> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The >> book >> is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new >> material >> is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) >> that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks >> about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the >> SME >> wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be >> converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what >> I >> am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to >> type+select >> the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then >> click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? >> >> Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using >> VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. >> >> TIA >> >> - avi >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit
FM72. Tool to quickly make lots of cross-refs?
My apologies to the list about the sloppy subject line. I was dozing off by the time I was completing the post, but wanted to send it before I took a siesta. Look what happened. That teaches me a lesson... - avi On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi all, > > RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? > > I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book > is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material > is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) > that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks > about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME > wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be > converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I > am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select > the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then > click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? > > Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using > VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. > > TIA > > - avi > > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886
Exporting text from ID for use in MS Word?
It's been a while since I used ID, but I believe the InCopy add-in can handle this kind of export -- worst case, it'd arrange it better. If that doesn't work, I'd try going ID > PDF > RTF (via Acrobat). Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Gary wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm an occasional users of ID and I've inherited a file with many different > unlinked text boxes (2 or 3) on each page. I want to get the text out of ID > and into something that others with basic office software can edit. > > Is there any way to export this text into RTF - or even raw text? I can > live > with it being in an odd order, or a table or anything really! At present, > the only thing I can think of is to cut and paste the text from every > box.and it's a big document. > > TIA. > > Gary > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Not disagreeing, Richard, but I suffered through months of this on a contract job where the files were shared among several writers. And it's recurred occasionally in other 7.x environments. Ain't saying it couldn't have been resolved, but it occurred far too often to be hapinstance. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Art Campbell wrote: > > > The last FM 7.x projects I worked on were perennially losing cross-refs, > > just in day-to-day book building operations. > > > > Not to mention changes in chapters themselves. > > > > If it could be truly automated, maybe... but sitting down to a list of > > hundreds of unresolved cross-refs isn't a great way to start your day. > > Barring operator error, FM xrefs are pretty nearly bullet-proof. > > I'm not sure what you mean by "day-to-day book building operations," but > there are basically only two ways that an FM xref becomes unresolved: > > 1) FM can't open the destination file (because it's been moved, deleted, > renamed, or can't be opened silently due to missing fonts, etc.) to find the > marker that the xref points to. > > 2) FM can't find the marker itself (because it's been deleted, the marker > text that identifies it was changed, or it's tagged with a condition that's > currently hidden). > > If one of these things was happening routinely to hundreds of xrefs, there > was something seriously wrong with the process/workflow being used, probably > because the person who created it didn't understand how FM xrefs work. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > >
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Hi all, RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. TIA - avi
ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word
>> Unfortunately, Word does not make it as easy to link/reference the graphic as other programs do. It was always dead easy for me. Just get up the Insert Picture browser, select the pic you want to insert, and then select the Insert mode. That was from Word 2003. What's happened since 2003? avi On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:51 PM, David Creamer wrote: > > I was saying that Word can function reliably with large documents on a > regular > > basis, provided one uses styles and templates, as recommended. (Just > expect > > some exasperation with numbered lists.) > > Another thing that will "stabilize" Word documents is to link to graphics > rather than embed or cut-and-paste. Unfortunately, Word does not make it as > easy to link/reference the graphic as other programs do. > > > David Creamer > IDEAS Training & Consultation > http://www.IDEAStraining.com > Adobe Certified Trainer for Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, InDesign, > InCopy, FrameMaker, Dreamweaver, Premiere, GoLive, and PageMaker > Authorized Quark Training Provider > Enfocus PitStop, Markzware FlightCheck, & FileMaker Authorized Trainer > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as amakeler at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/amakeler%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886
FM9 getting started
Hi, My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? Thanks very much, Lynn
EDD rule that refers to the book element - impossible?
Hi, please consider this: I have a structured book with a large number of components. The book structure conforms to the EDD, i.e. validating the book works. The top element of the book, has a @status attribute that can be either "draft" or "publishable". In the component files, I have xrefs that in draft mode are underlined. For publishing, the underline should be removed. My attempts to deal with this via the EDD have so far been unsuccessful. Is this the right approach? For the xref element I've specified this rule: Text format rules If context is: * < book[status=?draft?] Text range. Font properties Underline: Single Else Text range. Font properties Underline: None But it doesn't seem to get picked up. The documentation (Structured Application Developer's Guide) does not make any statements about the (non-)permeability of the border between book component and the book itself. thanks, Jakob.
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
The last FM 7.x projects I worked on were perennially losing cross-refs, just in day-to-day book building operations. Not to mention changes in chapters themselves. If it could be truly automated, maybe... but sitting down to a list of hundreds of unresolved cross-refs isn't a great way to start your day. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Avraham Makeler wrote: > > > Hi Art. Thanks for the response. > > > > >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and > > could > > become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > > > >> I think it's unnecessary > > I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. > So > > they want what they see elsewhere. > > Agreed. In online programmer/API documentation, users expect references to > other classes, methods, functions, etc., to be links to them. Although I > suspect/hope "every other word" is something of an exaggeration. :-) > > > >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because > > none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that > > horrifying potential in practice. > > If you use FM cross-references, I don't see why it would ever become a > maintenance problem. Presumably, all these cross-references would use the > <$paratext> building block to retrieve the text of a heading pgf that > contains the name of the software object being referenced. If a function's > name changes from getAnotherFoo to getNextFoo, you change the name in the > heading, and FM updates all the xrefs to that heading automagically. > > As for automating your task, it could be done with FrameScript ( > www.framescript.com) or FrameAC ( > www.mekon.com/index.php/pages/knowledge_zone/frameac/products/technologies/manage). > Since you have VB experience, the latter makes more sense for you if you > want to "roll your own." Alternatively, you might want to get a quote from > Rick Quatro (www.frameexpert.com) for a custom FrameScript solution. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Re: Exporting text from ID for use in MS Word?
It's been a while since I used ID, but I believe the InCopy add-in can handle this kind of export -- worst case, it'd arrange it better. If that doesn't work, I'd try going ID > PDF > RTF (via Acrobat). Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Gary wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm an occasional users of ID and I've inherited a file with many different > unlinked text boxes (2 or 3) on each page. I want to get the text out of ID > and into something that others with basic office software can edit. > > Is there any way to export this text into RTF - or even raw text? I can > live > with it being in an odd order, or a table or anything really! At present, > the only thing I can think of is to cut and paste the text from every > box.and it's a big document. > > TIA. > > Gary > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Not disagreeing, Richard, but I suffered through months of this on a contract job where the files were shared among several writers. And it's recurred occasionally in other 7.x environments. Ain't saying it couldn't have been resolved, but it occurred far too often to be hapinstance. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Art Campbell wrote: > > > The last FM 7.x projects I worked on were perennially losing cross-refs, > > just in day-to-day book building operations. > > > > Not to mention changes in chapters themselves. > > > > If it could be truly automated, maybe... but sitting down to a list of > > hundreds of unresolved cross-refs isn't a great way to start your day. > > Barring operator error, FM xrefs are pretty nearly bullet-proof. > > I'm not sure what you mean by "day-to-day book building operations," but > there are basically only two ways that an FM xref becomes unresolved: > > 1) FM can't open the destination file (because it's been moved, deleted, > renamed, or can't be opened silently due to missing fonts, etc.) to find the > marker that the xref points to. > > 2) FM can't find the marker itself (because it's been deleted, the marker > text that identifies it was changed, or it's tagged with a condition that's > currently hidden). > > If one of these things was happening routinely to hundreds of xrefs, there > was something seriously wrong with the process/workflow being used, probably > because the person who created it didn't understand how FM xrefs work. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Art Campbell wrote: > The last FM 7.x projects I worked on were perennially losing cross-refs, > just in day-to-day book building operations. > > Not to mention changes in chapters themselves. > > If it could be truly automated, maybe... but sitting down to a list of > hundreds of unresolved cross-refs isn't a great way to start your day. Barring operator error, FM xrefs are pretty nearly bullet-proof. I'm not sure what you mean by "day-to-day book building operations," but there are basically only two ways that an FM xref becomes unresolved: 1) FM can't open the destination file (because it's been moved, deleted, renamed, or can't be opened silently due to missing fonts, etc.) to find the marker that the xref points to. 2) FM can't find the marker itself (because it's been deleted, the marker text that identifies it was changed, or it's tagged with a condition that's currently hidden). If one of these things was happening routinely to hundreds of xrefs, there was something seriously wrong with the process/workflow being used, probably because the person who created it didn't understand how FM xrefs work. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RESOLVED: Inserting Frame Hypertext Links to PDFs
All, a few hours after my post, I figured out the answer. Here's how I'm going to do it: 1. Identify text that will become the hypertext (e.g., FILE-B_NAME). 2. Apply hyperlink format (element in my case) to text making it underline and blue. 3. Position cursor within hyperlink element immediately before the first letter of said text. 4. Select Special>Hypertext. In Element Tag field, select Hypertext (which is my element name) (also can select Unstructured). 5. In the Command field, select Open Document. 6. Syntax field pre-fills openlink command. Syntax for my example is: openlink FILE-B_NAME.pdf 7. Click New Hypertext Marker. Dialog appears stating designated file is not a Frame file. Click OK. 8. Created PDF and tested hyperlink with PDF named as stated in Open Document command syntax. If there are other ways or suggestions to do this, or perhaps to set up an element that automates a few of the above steps, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, I'm able to move on to the next challenge of the day! Thank you again. Have a great day! J Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com From: Graham, Jasmine S Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:05 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Inserting Frame Hypertext Links to PDFs Hello Framers, Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1). I'm trying to setup hypertext links (or a cross-references, if it can be done that way) to PDFs that may or may not exist yet. I want to emulate what you can do in Word, which is Insert > Hyperlink, tell it what text to display, and tell it what address to look for. Convert the Word doc to PDF and the hyperlink works when the referenced PDF is present. Remove the PDF, link doesn't work; replace the PDF, link works. What is the best way to accomplish this in Frame? -- FILE-A.pdf references FILE-B.pdf and needs to have a relative link that will allow the reader to jump to FILE-B.pdf. -- In the Frame source file (FILE-A.fm), I want to create the hyperlink now so that I can release the FILE-A.pdf, knowing that the link will not work until FILE-B.pdf is available. -- I then expect that when FILE-B.pdf is placed in the proper directory as specified in the hypertext, everything should work. I can create the hypertext in a structured or unstructured way, so I don't think I have any questions about that part. I'm trying the instructions in Scriptorium's Frame 8 book, which indicate that first one must identify the target, and then create the link, both steps using the Special > Hypertext dialog. I've stepped through it, but I think I'm overlooking something basic that I should already know. THANKS in advance for any input! J Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Art Campbell wrote: > The last FM 7.x projects I worked on were perennially losing cross-refs, > just in day-to-day book building operations. > > Not to mention changes in chapters themselves. > > If it could be truly automated, maybe... but sitting down to a list of > hundreds of unresolved cross-refs isn't a great way to start your day. Barring operator error, FM xrefs are pretty nearly bullet-proof. I'm not sure what you mean by "day-to-day book building operations," but there are basically only two ways that an FM xref becomes unresolved: 1) FM can't open the destination file (because it's been moved, deleted, renamed, or can't be opened silently due to missing fonts, etc.) to find the marker that the xref points to. 2) FM can't find the marker itself (because it's been deleted, the marker text that identifies it was changed, or it's tagged with a condition that's currently hidden). If one of these things was happening routinely to hundreds of xrefs, there was something seriously wrong with the process/workflow being used, probably because the person who created it didn't understand how FM xrefs work. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross- refs?
Hi Avraham What you describe is normally, in my limited experience, generated automatically from code, using a tool such as Javadocs. I know that other programming languages (C# for example) will also generate such documentation from code comments. Wouldn't that be an easier way to go? Your job then would be to edit - and nag the developers to add the comments. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Documentation AV-BASE Systems Inc. 1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200 London, Ontario N5V 3S4 Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330 _ From: Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:27:42 -0400 Subject: Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? Hi Art. Thanks for the response. >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could become a potential maintenance nightmare. >> I think it's unnecessary I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So they want what they see elsewhere. >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that horrifying potential in practice. I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again, as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I could them about this. >> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably can. As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget... >> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. I will have to check that out. Thanks. >> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the clipboard. Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, why repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.) Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a repeat instance. Great thanks, - avi On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the > impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a > basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, > there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept > for an hour or so, your readers probably can. > > If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one > of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the > word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > clipboard. > > Art Campbell >art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? >> >> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The >> book >> is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new >> material >> is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) >> that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new mate
Re: FM9 getting started
Hi Lynn I suggest you watch RJ Jacquez' webinar on the FM 9 UI. It's at https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?id=1485846&event=register_no_session&loc=en_us You will need an Adobe account (free). The interesting stuff starts about 30 minutes into it. And I second the requirement for dual monitors. Hope this helps. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Documentation AV-BASE Systems Inc. 1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200 London, Ontario N5V 3S4 Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330 _ From: Lynn Durell [mailto:lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:15:09 -0400 Subject: FM9 getting started Hi, My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? Thanks very much, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rshuttlewo...@avbasesystems.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rshuttleworth%40avbasesystems.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Inserting Frame Hypertext Links to PDFs
Hello Framers, Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1). I'm trying to setup hypertext links (or a cross-references, if it can be done that way) to PDFs that may or may not exist yet. I want to emulate what you can do in Word, which is Insert > Hyperlink, tell it what text to display, and tell it what address to look for. Convert the Word doc to PDF and the hyperlink works when the referenced PDF is present. Remove the PDF, link doesn't work; replace the PDF, link works. What is the best way to accomplish this in Frame? -- FILE-A.pdf references FILE-B.pdf and needs to have a relative link that will allow the reader to jump to FILE-B.pdf. -- In the Frame source file (FILE-A.fm), I want to create the hyperlink now so that I can release the FILE-A.pdf, knowing that the link will not work until FILE-B.pdf is available. -- I then expect that when FILE-B.pdf is placed in the proper directory as specified in the hypertext, everything should work. I can create the hypertext in a structured or unstructured way, so I don't think I have any questions about that part. I'm trying the instructions in Scriptorium's Frame 8 book, which indicate that first one must identify the target, and then create the link, both steps using the Special > Hypertext dialog. I've stepped through it, but I think I'm overlooking something basic that I should already know. THANKS in advance for any input! J Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Exporting text from ID for use in MS Word?
Hi all, I'm an occasional users of ID and I've inherited a file with many different unlinked text boxes (2 or 3) on each page. I want to get the text out of ID and into something that others with basic office software can edit. Is there any way to export this text into RTF - or even raw text? I can live with it being in an odd order, or a table or anything really! At present, the only thing I can think of is to cut and paste the text from every box.and it's a big document. TIA. Gary ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
AW: paragraph tag report? | Find TOOLBOX
Hi Mike. I very enjoy for your plaudit about TOOLBOX. Indeed worldwide many many users take TOOLBOX for FrameMaker since release 5. Then for UNIX, Mac and Windows - what a time! I'm the founder of all and I want that you all would find the information very quickly. Therefore every time we are optimizing the web site, the order processing with expert of our marketing and development. I'm so sorry if some isn't so easy, please send us any questions or wishes. 1. Find TOOLBOX since some years here: www.toolboxforme.com in English and German. 2. If you want to contact our US expert for SQUIDDS in Midlothian (VA), don't hesitate to contact him: Robert Fehrmann +1 804 683 9110 Or write an e-Mail to fehrm...@squidds.de or to cont...@toolboxforme.com 3. You could order by paypal at a reduce rate for the US market only or send us the order form with all information: www.toolboxforme.com If your payment should not be via paypal there is an US bank account please send us a check or send us via bank transfer. 4. TOOLBOX is available as a completely package (with all modules) and every single modules. There are bundles too: DITA Package and 3D PDF Package with exclusive plug-ins. 5. TOOLBOX (since 7.6.1) is available with online activation via internet. It is very easy to change the machine or add another machine. 6. There is a ticket system for your support: 24h and 7 days for free: www.squidds-ticket.de (in English and German) 7. There is a facebook account with TOOLBOX Group: http://bit.ly/byytyt We do our best for you users and we are very appreciative of your feedback for all what we can do for you. Thanks for choosing TOOLBOX. - Georg -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Wickham Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Juni 2010 23:46 An: Frame Users Betreff: Re: paragraph tag report? The Format List plugin, part of the Squidds Toolbox is the best at this. Unlike the other suggestions, it puts the results in a table, so that you can look at all your paragraph formats in a glance. Scanning a row will tell you the definition of a given tag. Scanning a column will compare the setting in all the tags. Unfortunately, the Squids site is an awful mess. It's a German site with English translations that make it even worse. So finding what you want there is pure hell. You can buy the whole Toolbox or just the individual tools, but finding the list of individual modules isn't easy-- and every time I do, they change the danged links! Here's a link for the whole Toolbox, with old versions at the bottom of the page. You'll have to hunt on your own to find the individual modules, since they are no longer in the location I had linked. Format List is worth it, if you can find it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as e...@squidds.de. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/eck%40squidds.de Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RESOLVED: Inserting Frame Hypertext Links to PDFs
All, a few hours after my post, I figured out the answer. Here's how I'm going to do it: 1. Identify text that will become the hypertext (e.g., FILE-B_NAME). 2. Apply hyperlink format (element in my case) to text making it underline and blue. 3. Position cursor within hyperlink element immediately before the first letter of said text. 4. Select Special>Hypertext. In Element Tag field, select Hypertext (which is my element name) (also can select Unstructured). 5. In the Command field, select Open Document. 6. Syntax field pre-fills openlink command. Syntax for my example is: openlink FILE-B_NAME.pdf 7. Click New Hypertext Marker. Dialog appears stating designated file is not a Frame file. Click OK. 8. Created PDF and tested hyperlink with PDF named as stated in Open Document command syntax. If there are other ways or suggestions to do this, or perhaps to set up an element that automates a few of the above steps, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, I'm able to move on to the next challenge of the day! Thank you again. Have a great day! J Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com From: Graham, Jasmine S Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:05 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Inserting Frame Hypertext Links to PDFs Hello Framers, Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1). I'm trying to setup hypertext links (or a cross-references, if it can be done that way) to PDFs that may or may not exist yet. I want to emulate what you can do in Word, which is Insert > Hyperlink, tell it what text to display, and tell it what address to look for. Convert the Word doc to PDF and the hyperlink works when the referenced PDF is present. Remove the PDF, link doesn't work; replace the PDF, link works. What is the best way to accomplish this in Frame? -- FILE-A.pdf references FILE-B.pdf and needs to have a relative link that will allow the reader to jump to FILE-B.pdf. -- In the Frame source file (FILE-A.fm), I want to create the hyperlink now so that I can release the FILE-A.pdf, knowing that the link will not work until FILE-B.pdf is available. -- I then expect that when FILE-B.pdf is placed in the proper directory as specified in the hypertext, everything should work. I can create the hypertext in a structured or unstructured way, so I don't think I have any questions about that part. I'm trying the instructions in Scriptorium's Frame 8 book, which indicate that first one must identify the target, and then create the link, both steps using the Special > Hypertext dialog. I've stepped through it, but I think I'm overlooking something basic that I should already know. THANKS in advance for any input! J Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message.
FM9 getting started
Lynn I found the Adobe OnDemand Seminar "Getting Started with the new FrameMaker 9 User Interface" to be helpful. Try this link, http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=list&loc=en_us&type=ondemand_seminar&product=FrameMaker&interest=&audience= Richard
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
I misunderstood what you were saying -- you're asking about each unique object reference, but I read what you wrote to mean the global definitions of the type of object. And, as far as: "Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a repeat instance." Download a copy of ClipMate, Great utility and it'll let you do other stuff too. Quicker than cutting and pasting between FM docs. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi Art. Thanks for the response. > > >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and > could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > >> I think it's unnecessary > I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So > they want what they see elsewhere. > > >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. > That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because > none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that > horrifying potential in practice. > > I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API > had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again, > as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the > year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is > now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I > could them about this. > > >> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably > another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than > 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he > or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably > can. > > As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API > reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget... > > >> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > I will have to check that out. Thanks. > > >> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define > one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy > the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > clipboard. > > Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated > many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are > different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, > why > repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.) > > Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it > into > an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window > and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a > repeat instance. > > Great thanks, > > - avi > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell >wrote: > > > First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could > > become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the > > impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a > > basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME > forgets, > > there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the > concept > > for an hour or so, your readers probably can. > > > > If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > > > With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define > one > > of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy > the > > word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > > clipboard. > > > > Art Campbell > >art.campbell at gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No disclaimers > apply. > > DoD 358 > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler >wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? > >> > >> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The > >> book > >> is a l
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Hi Avraham What you describe is normally, in my limited experience, generated automatically from code, using a tool such as Javadocs. I know that other programming languages (C# for example) will also generate such documentation from code comments. Wouldn't that be an easier way to go? Your job then would be to edit - and nag the developers to add the comments. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Documentation AV-BASE Systems Inc. 1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200 London, Ontario N5V 3S4 Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330 _ From: Avraham Makeler [mailto:amake...@gmail.com] To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:27:42 -0400 Subject: Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? Hi Art. Thanks for the response. >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could become a potential maintenance nightmare. >> I think it's unnecessary I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So they want what they see elsewhere. >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that horrifying potential in practice. I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again, as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I could them about this. >> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably can. As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget... >> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. I will have to check that out. Thanks. >> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the clipboard. Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, why repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.) Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a repeat instance. Great thanks, - avi On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the > impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a > basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, > there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept > for an hour or so, your readers probably can. > > If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one > of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the > word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > clipboard. > > Art Campbell >art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? >> >> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The >> book >> is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new >> material >> is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) >> that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks >> about those al
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
The last FM 7.x projects I worked on were perennially losing cross-refs, just in day-to-day book building operations. Not to mention changes in chapters themselves. If it could be truly automated, maybe... but sitting down to a list of hundreds of unresolved cross-refs isn't a great way to start your day. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Avraham Makeler wrote: > > > Hi Art. Thanks for the response. > > > > >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and > > could > > become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > > > >> I think it's unnecessary > > I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. > So > > they want what they see elsewhere. > > Agreed. In online programmer/API documentation, users expect references to > other classes, methods, functions, etc., to be links to them. Although I > suspect/hope "every other word" is something of an exaggeration. :-) > > > >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because > > none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that > > horrifying potential in practice. > > If you use FM cross-references, I don't see why it would ever become a > maintenance problem. Presumably, all these cross-references would use the > <$paratext> building block to retrieve the text of a heading pgf that > contains the name of the software object being referenced. If a function's > name changes from getAnotherFoo to getNextFoo, you change the name in the > heading, and FM updates all the xrefs to that heading automagically. > > As for automating your task, it could be done with FrameScript ( > www.framescript.com) or FrameAC ( > www.mekon.com/index.php/pages/knowledge_zone/frameac/products/technologies/manage). > Since you have VB experience, the latter makes more sense for you if you > want to "roll your own." Alternatively, you might want to get a quote from > Rick Quatro (www.frameexpert.com) for a custom FrameScript solution. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM9 getting started
Hi Lynn I suggest you watch RJ Jacquez' webinar on the FM 9 UI. It's at https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?id=1485846&event=register_no_session&loc=en_us You will need an Adobe account (free). The interesting stuff starts about 30 minutes into it. And I second the requirement for dual monitors. Hope this helps. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Documentation AV-BASE Systems Inc. 1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200 London, Ontario N5V 3S4 Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330 _ From: Lynn Durell [mailto:lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk] To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:15:09 -0400 Subject: FM9 getting started Hi, My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? Thanks very much, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rshuttleworth at avbasesystems.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rshuttleworth%40avbasesystems.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
I agree... There's no reason for this to me a maintenance issue. I would implement a solution that flushes all the auto-generated xrefs, and re-establishes them each time I invoke the task. By keeping it clean, there's no issue... That's the standard approach to this type of thing. It should be fairly easy to do, given a config file that identifies what the XRef targets should be. cud ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
I agree... There's no reason for this to me a maintenance issue. I would implement a solution that flushes all the auto-generated xrefs, and re-establishes them each time I invoke the task. By keeping it clean, there's no issue... That's the standard approach to this type of thing. It should be fairly easy to do, given a config file that identifies what the XRef targets should be. cud
RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi Art. Thanks for the response. > > >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and > could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > >> I think it's unnecessary > I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So > they want what they see elsewhere. Agreed. In online programmer/API documentation, users expect references to other classes, methods, functions, etc., to be links to them. Although I suspect/hope "every other word" is something of an exaggeration. :-) > >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. > That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because > none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that > horrifying potential in practice. If you use FM cross-references, I don't see why it would ever become a maintenance problem. Presumably, all these cross-references would use the <$paratext> building block to retrieve the text of a heading pgf that contains the name of the software object being referenced. If a function's name changes from getAnotherFoo to getNextFoo, you change the name in the heading, and FM updates all the xrefs to that heading automagically. As for automating your task, it could be done with FrameScript (www.framescript.com) or FrameAC (www.mekon.com/index.php/pages/knowledge_zone/frameac/products/technologies/manage). Since you have VB experience, the latter makes more sense for you if you want to "roll your own." Alternatively, you might want to get a quote from Rick Quatro (www.frameexpert.com) for a custom FrameScript solution. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi Art. Thanks for the response. > > >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and > could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > >> I think it's unnecessary > I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So > they want what they see elsewhere. Agreed. In online programmer/API documentation, users expect references to other classes, methods, functions, etc., to be links to them. Although I suspect/hope "every other word" is something of an exaggeration. :-) > >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. > That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because > none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that > horrifying potential in practice. If you use FM cross-references, I don't see why it would ever become a maintenance problem. Presumably, all these cross-references would use the <$paratext> building block to retrieve the text of a heading pgf that contains the name of the software object being referenced. If a function's name changes from getAnotherFoo to getNextFoo, you change the name in the heading, and FM updates all the xrefs to that heading automagically. As for automating your task, it could be done with FrameScript (www.framescript.com) or FrameAC (www.mekon.com/index.php/pages/knowledge_zone/frameac/products/technologies/manage). Since you have VB experience, the latter makes more sense for you if you want to "roll your own." Alternatively, you might want to get a quote from Rick Quatro (www.frameexpert.com) for a custom FrameScript solution. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
FM9 getting started
And a P.S.: As long as your company is spending some bucks to upgrade to 9, GET THEM TO SPRING FOR A SECOND MONITOR if you don't have one already. Big productivity boost, especially with the new FM 9 UI because you can put all the damn pallets in the second window... Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > The user interface is likely to be the biggest thing you'll need to > learn/re-learn, but nothing has gone away -- just several new tools added. > So your 7 skills should transfer pretty easily. > > Things to be aware of: > >- FM adopted unicode character support in v 8, so you may have to redo >some special characters. Note that full unicode support may require fonts >that include unicode characters. Usually not a big deal, but something to >watch. >- If I were you, I'd make an archive copy of my 7 books as they are >before converting any of them. I've also found that after converting them > to >the 9 file format, it's a good idea to save the files as MIF and then open >and save those as .FM files. Cleans up any odd characters or anomalies. > You >can do this by the book with a free utility from Omsys.com that's included >with their MIF2GO free eval. Stays on the system even if you don't buy. >- Don't trust SaveAs PDF any further than you can throw it. >- If you haven't already installed the Microsoft PS printer hotfix on >your SP systems, do so: >http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909 >-- it applies to all PS printers, including the logical PDF. > > > Art Campbell >art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Lynn Durell wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). >> >> Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or >> other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? >> >> Thanks very much, >> Lynn >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> > >
FM9 getting started
The user interface is likely to be the biggest thing you'll need to learn/re-learn, but nothing has gone away -- just several new tools added. So your 7 skills should transfer pretty easily. Things to be aware of: - FM adopted unicode character support in v 8, so you may have to redo some special characters. Note that full unicode support may require fonts that include unicode characters. Usually not a big deal, but something to watch. - If I were you, I'd make an archive copy of my 7 books as they are before converting any of them. I've also found that after converting them to the 9 file format, it's a good idea to save the files as MIF and then open and save those as .FM files. Cleans up any odd characters or anomalies. You can do this by the book with a free utility from Omsys.com that's included with their MIF2GO free eval. Stays on the system even if you don't buy. - Don't trust SaveAs PDF any further than you can throw it. - If you haven't already installed the Microsoft PS printer hotfix on your SP systems, do so: http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909 -- it applies to all PS printers, including the logical PDF. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Lynn Durell wrote: > Hi, > > My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). > > Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or > other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? > > Thanks very much, > Lynn > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably can. If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the clipboard. Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi all, > > RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? > > I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book > is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material > is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) > that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks > about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the > SME > wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be > converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what > I > am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to > type+select > the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then > click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? > > Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using > VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. > > TIA > > - avi > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
AW: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
Hi Jasmine, There is TOOLBOX for FrameMaker (7, 8 and 9) take 'Book Services' > Last page number See TOOLBOX Manual: http://bit.ly/aJjSFC (Page 51 Acrobat) All information about TOOLBOX and download links are there: www.toolboxforme.com Thank you for choosing TOOLBOX. - Georg Hello Framers, I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others. Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it manually after I generate the final book? TIA! Jasmine Graham
Re: FM9 getting started
Lynn I found the Adobe OnDemand Seminar "Getting Started with the new FrameMaker 9 User Interface" to be helpful. Try this link, http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=list&loc=en_us&type=ondemand_seminar&product=FrameMaker&interest=&audience= Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Inserting Frame Hypertext Links to PDFs
Hello Framers, Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1). ?I'm trying to setup hypertext links (or a cross-references, if it can be done that way) to PDFs that may or may not exist yet. I want to emulate what you can do in Word, which is Insert > Hyperlink, tell it what text to display, and tell it what address to look for. Convert the Word doc to PDF and the hyperlink works when the referenced PDF is present. Remove the PDF, link doesn't work; replace the PDF, link works. What is the best way to accomplish this in Frame? -- FILE-A.pdf references FILE-B.pdf and needs to have a relative link that will allow the reader to jump to FILE-B.pdf. -- In the Frame source file (FILE-A.fm), I want to create the hyperlink now so that I can release the FILE-A.pdf, knowing that the link will not work until FILE-B.pdf is available. -- I then expect that when FILE-B.pdf is placed in the proper directory as specified in the hypertext, everything should work. I can create the hypertext in a structured or unstructured way, so I don't think I have any questions about that part. I'm trying the instructions in Scriptorium's Frame 8 book, which indicate that first one must identify the target, and then create the link, both steps using the Special > Hypertext dialog. I've stepped through it, but I think I'm overlooking something basic that I should already know. THANKS in advance for any input! J Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com === CONFIDENTIAL & PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATION The information contained in this message is privileged, confidential, and protected from disclosure. This message is intended for the individual or entity addressed herein. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose this communication to others. Also please notify the sender by replying to this message, and then delete it from your system. The sender totally disclaims, and will not accept, any responsibility or liability for the unauthorized use, or the consequences of any unauthorized use, of this communication or message.
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
I misunderstood what you were saying -- you're asking about each unique object reference, but I read what you wrote to mean the global definitions of the type of object. And, as far as: "Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a repeat instance." Download a copy of ClipMate, Great utility and it'll let you do other stuff too. Quicker than cutting and pasting between FM docs. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi Art. Thanks for the response. > > >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and > could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. > > >> I think it's unnecessary > I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So > they want what they see elsewhere. > > >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. > That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because > none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that > horrifying potential in practice. > > I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API > had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again, > as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the > year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is > now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I > could them about this. > > >> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably > another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than > 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he > or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably > can. > > As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API > reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget... > > >> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > I will have to check that out. Thanks. > > >> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define > one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy > the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > clipboard. > > Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated > many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are > different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, > why > repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.) > > Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it > into > an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window > and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a > repeat instance. > > Great thanks, > > - avi > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell >wrote: > > > First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could > > become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the > > impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a > > basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME > forgets, > > there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the > concept > > for an hour or so, your readers probably can. > > > > If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > > > With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define > one > > of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy > the > > word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > > clipboard. > > > > Art Campbell > >art.campb...@gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No disclaimers > apply. > > DoD 358 > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler >wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? > >> > >> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The > >> book > >> is a large r
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Hi Art. Thanks for the response. >> First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could become a potential maintenance nightmare. >> I think it's unnecessary I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides. So they want what they see elsewhere. >> could become a potential maintenance nightmare. That is definitely a point. It never occurred to me before; maybe because none such document that I ever worked on ever actually realized that horrifying potential in practice. I think it could be more likely to be a maintenance nightmare if this API had a reputation for its objects' names being changed every now and again, as well as their positions in the document being changed. However, in the year and half I have known this API document it has only ever grown---it is now over 700 pages long---it has never *changed*. But you know what - I could them about this. >> The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably can. As I mentioned, I think this is standard fare in programmer's and API reference guides, and at 720 pages there is plenty to forget... >> If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. I will have to check that out. Thanks. >> With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the clipboard. Thanks for the idea. That's useful in cases where the same text is repeated many times. In the updates to this document, all the cross-refs are different. (At 720 pages, there are so many link targets to choose from, why repeat the same ones...?! ha ha.) Another idea I use is to define one of the cross-refs and copy+paste it into an FM utility document I keep open on the side in a small window and copy+paste from there every time I need it again as and when I meet a repeat instance. Great thanks, - avi On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could > become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the > impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a > basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, > there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept > for an hour or so, your readers probably can. > > If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because > they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. > > With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one > of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the > word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, > right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the > clipboard. > > Art Campbell >art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? >> >> I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The >> book >> is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new >> material >> is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) >> that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks >> about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the >> SME >> wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be >> converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what >> I >> am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to >> type+select >> the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then >> click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? >> >> Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using >> VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. >> >> TIA >> >> - avi >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://li
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly make lots of cross-refs?
My apologies to the list about the sloppy subject line. I was dozing off by the time I was completing the post, but wanted to send it before I took a siesta. Look what happened. That teaches me a lesson... - avi On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi all, > > RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? > > I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book > is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material > is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) > that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks > about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME > wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be > converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I > am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select > the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then > click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? > > Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using > VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. > > TIA > > - avi > > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 getting started
Amen to that. Or a widescreen monitor. Nadine --- On Tue, 6/15/10, Art Campbell wrote: > From: Art Campbell > Subject: Re: FM9 getting started > To: "Lynn Durell" > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 9:32 AM > And a P.S.: > > As long as your company is spending some bucks to upgrade > to 9, GET THEM TO > SPRING FOR A SECOND MONITOR if you don't have one already. > > Big productivity boost, especially with the new FM 9 UI > because you can put > all the damn pallets in the second window... > > Cheers, > Art > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a > '52 Vincent and a > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > > > No disclaimers apply. > > > > DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > > > The user interface is likely to be the biggest thing > you'll need to > > learn/re-learn, but nothing has gone away -- just > several new tools added. > > So your 7 skills should transfer pretty easily. > > > > Things to be aware of: > > > > - FM adopted unicode character support in > v 8, so you may have to redo > > some special characters. Note that full > unicode support may require fonts > > that include unicode characters. Usually > not a big deal, but something to > > watch. > > - If I were you, I'd make an archive copy > of my 7 books as they are > > before converting any of them. I've also > found that after converting them to > > the 9 file format, it's a good idea to > save the files as MIF and then open > > and save those as .FM files. Cleans up > any odd characters or anomalies. You > > can do this by the book with a free > utility from Omsys.com that's included > > with their MIF2GO free eval. Stays on the > system even if you don't buy. > > - Don't trust SaveAs PDF any further than > you can throw it. > > - If you haven't already installed the > Microsoft PS printer hotfix on > > your SP systems, do so: > > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909 > > -- it applies to all PS printers, > including the logical PDF. > > > > > > Art Campbell > > art.campb...@gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this > world beats a '52 Vincent and > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > > > > No disclaimers apply. > > > > > > DoD 358 > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Lynn Durell wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to > FM9.0 (Win XP). > >> > >> Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or > similar for FM 9.0, or > >> other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? > >> > >> Thanks very much, > >> Lynn > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > >> > >> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > >> > >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > >> or visit > >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > >> > >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. > Visit > >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > >> > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM9 getting started
Amen to that. Or a widescreen monitor. Nadine --- On Tue, 6/15/10, Art Campbell wrote: > From: Art Campbell > Subject: Re: FM9 getting started > To: "Lynn Durell" > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 9:32 AM > And a P.S.: > > As long as your company is spending some bucks to upgrade > to 9, GET THEM TO > SPRING FOR A SECOND MONITOR if you don't have one already. > > Big productivity boost, especially with the new FM 9 UI > because you can put > all the damn pallets in the second window... > > Cheers, > Art > > Art Campbell > ? ? ? ???art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a > '52 Vincent and a > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ???No disclaimers apply. > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Art Campbell gmail.com>wrote: > > > The user interface is likely to be the biggest thing > you'll need to > > learn/re-learn, but nothing has gone away -- just > several new tools added. > > So your 7 skills should transfer pretty easily. > > > > Things to be aware of: > > > >? ? - FM adopted unicode character support in > v 8, so you may have to redo > >? ? some special characters. Note that full > unicode support may require fonts > >? ? that include unicode characters. Usually > not a big deal, but something to > >? ? watch. > >? ? - If I were you, I'd make an archive copy > of my 7 books as they are > >? ? before converting any of them. I've also > found that after converting them to > >? ? the 9 file format, it's a good idea to > save the files as MIF and then open > >? ? and save those as .FM files. Cleans up > any odd characters or anomalies.? You > >? ? can do this by the book with a free > utility from Omsys.com that's included > >? ? with their MIF2GO free eval. Stays on the > system even if you don't buy. > >? ? - Don't trust SaveAs PDF any further than > you can throw it. > >? ? - If you haven't already installed the > Microsoft PS printer hotfix on > >? ? your SP systems, do so: > >? ? http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909 > >? ? -- it applies to all PS printers, > including the logical PDF. > > > > > > Art Campbell > >? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com > >? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this > world beats a '52 Vincent and > > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. > >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? > ???DoD 358 > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Lynn Durell > dds.co.uk>wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to > FM9.0 (Win XP). > >> > >> Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or > similar for FM 9.0, or > >> other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? > >> > >> Thanks very much, > >> Lynn > >> ___ > >> > >> > >> You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > >> > >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >> > >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > >> or visit > >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > >> > >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > >> > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > >
Re: FM9 getting started
And a P.S.: As long as your company is spending some bucks to upgrade to 9, GET THEM TO SPRING FOR A SECOND MONITOR if you don't have one already. Big productivity boost, especially with the new FM 9 UI because you can put all the damn pallets in the second window... Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > The user interface is likely to be the biggest thing you'll need to > learn/re-learn, but nothing has gone away -- just several new tools added. > So your 7 skills should transfer pretty easily. > > Things to be aware of: > >- FM adopted unicode character support in v 8, so you may have to redo >some special characters. Note that full unicode support may require fonts >that include unicode characters. Usually not a big deal, but something to >watch. >- If I were you, I'd make an archive copy of my 7 books as they are >before converting any of them. I've also found that after converting them > to >the 9 file format, it's a good idea to save the files as MIF and then open >and save those as .FM files. Cleans up any odd characters or anomalies. > You >can do this by the book with a free utility from Omsys.com that's included >with their MIF2GO free eval. Stays on the system even if you don't buy. >- Don't trust SaveAs PDF any further than you can throw it. >- If you haven't already installed the Microsoft PS printer hotfix on >your SP systems, do so: >http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909 >-- it applies to all PS printers, including the logical PDF. > > > Art Campbell >art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Lynn Durell wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). >> >> Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or >> other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? >> >> Thanks very much, >> Lynn >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> > > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 getting started
The user interface is likely to be the biggest thing you'll need to learn/re-learn, but nothing has gone away -- just several new tools added. So your 7 skills should transfer pretty easily. Things to be aware of: - FM adopted unicode character support in v 8, so you may have to redo some special characters. Note that full unicode support may require fonts that include unicode characters. Usually not a big deal, but something to watch. - If I were you, I'd make an archive copy of my 7 books as they are before converting any of them. I've also found that after converting them to the 9 file format, it's a good idea to save the files as MIF and then open and save those as .FM files. Cleans up any odd characters or anomalies. You can do this by the book with a free utility from Omsys.com that's included with their MIF2GO free eval. Stays on the system even if you don't buy. - Don't trust SaveAs PDF any further than you can throw it. - If you haven't already installed the Microsoft PS printer hotfix on your SP systems, do so: http://support.microsoft.com/?id=952909 -- it applies to all PS printers, including the logical PDF. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Lynn Durell wrote: > Hi, > > My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). > > Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or > other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? > > Thanks very much, > Lynn > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM9 getting started
Hi, My company are about to upgrade us from FM7.1 to FM9.0 (Win XP). Can anyone point me to a getting started guide or similar for FM 9.0, or other useful help for getting going with FM 9.0? Thanks very much, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
First, if I were you, I'd resist this. I think it's unnecessary and could become a potential maintenance nightmare. The SME seems to be under the impression that if a reader, probably another coder, will forget what a basic programming object is in less than 90 seconds... If the SME forgets, there may be a reason to do it, but if he or she can hold on to the concept for an hour or so, your readers probably can. If I had to do this, I'd probably use a glossary entry for these because they are, in fact, definitions and glossary entries are lighter weight. With all that said, if you must do this, you _should_ be able to define one of the cross-refs and embed it with its text string hotspot. Then copy the word, including the cross-ref marker (you have text objects turned on, right?) and do a search-and-replace for the text string, pasting from the clipboard. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Avraham Makeler wrote: > Hi all, > > RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? > > I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book > is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material > is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) > that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks > about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the > SME > wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be > converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what > I > am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to > type+select > the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then > click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? > > Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using > VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. > > TIA > > - avi > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs?
Hi all, RE: FM72. Tool to quickly makes loads of cross-refs? I just a received some whole new sections for updating an FM book. The book is a large reference guide for an API. Every other word in the new material is in fact the name of some software object (function, structure, or type) that's defined somewhere else as its own section. The new material talks about those already defined software objects and how to use them. So the SME wants every mentioning of those already defined software objects to be converted to a cross-reference. (Anyone who has documented APIs knows what I am talking about.) Is there some sort of tool that allows you to type+select the name of the section (function) or even just its legal number and then click, and hey presto, the cross-reference appears? Once, during a slow period, I programmed exactly that tool for Word using VBA. Took me about a week. Works great. TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: ARE: Framemaker 9 vs Microsoft Word
>> Unfortunately, Word does not make it as easy to link/reference the graphic as other programs do. It was always dead easy for me. Just get up the Insert Picture browser, select the pic you want to insert, and then select the Insert mode. That was from Word 2003. What's happened since 2003? avi On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:51 PM, David Creamer wrote: > > I was saying that Word can function reliably with large documents on a > regular > > basis, provided one uses styles and templates, as recommended. (Just > expect > > some exasperation with numbered lists.) > > Another thing that will "stabilize" Word documents is to link to graphics > rather than embed or cut-and-paste. Unfortunately, Word does not make it as > easy to link/reference the graphic as other programs do. > > > David Creamer > IDEAS Training & Consultation > http://www.IDEAStraining.com > Adobe Certified Trainer for Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, InDesign, > InCopy, FrameMaker, Dreamweaver, Premiere, GoLive, and PageMaker > Authorized Quark Training Provider > Enfocus PitStop, Markzware FlightCheck, & FileMaker Authorized Trainer > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as amake...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/amakeler%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
EDD rule that refers to the book element - impossible?
Hi, please consider this: I have a structured book with a large number of components. The book structure conforms to the EDD, i.e. validating the book works. The top element of the book, has a @status attribute that can be either "draft" or "publishable". In the component files, I have xrefs that in draft mode are underlined. For publishing, the underline should be removed. My attempts to deal with this via the EDD have so far been unsuccessful. Is this the right approach? For the xref element I've specified this rule: Text format rules If context is: * < book[status=”draft”] Text range. Font properties Underline: Single Else Text range. Font properties Underline: None But it doesn't seem to get picked up. The documentation (Structured Application Developer's Guide) does not make any statements about the (non-)permeability of the border between book component and the book itself. thanks, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
