Indexing front matter

[Art Campbell]

You can set the Chapnum variable for the Preface (in the book file) to
text and the value to a space.

Still need to get rid of the hyphen, but if that's manually added to
the <$chapnum>-<$pagenuum> string, it's easy to remove.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5 
> comes out like this:
>
> Apple pie recipe, 5-3
>
> The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to 
> Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:
>
> Technical Support, xiii
>
> However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes there 
> is a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference Support 
> looks like this:
>
> 4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii
>
> depending on how I set the numbering property.
>
> I know I could solve the problem by moving to straight-through numbering, or 
> by moving the Tech Support information to some other location in a regular 
> chapter, but there are problems with both these solutions. Right now, I want 
> to stick with figuring out how to use Frame correctly to create the entry I 
> want, which would be
>
> Tech Support, xiii
>
> I know how to set up a new IX format in the Reference page of the Index, 
> which would use only the <$pagenum> variable.
>
> What I can't figure out is, how do I assign that format to the Preface entry 
> only?
>
> Thanks for all suggestions.
>
> --Nancy
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Indexing front matter

[Lief Erickson]

You could use a different marker for the content in your preface, include that 
marker in your index, and use different page formatting for that marker. It 
would be a new marker type that you would create. You might call it 
IndexPreface or something like that.

I have done something similar with tables and figures. In my index tables and 
figures are formatted differently so that they are more easily identifiable as 
content in a table or a figure rather than in body text.

-Lief

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:14 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Indexing front matter

Hi, all.

My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5 
comes out like this:

Apple pie recipe, 5-3

The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to 
Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:

Technical Support, xiii

However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes there is 
a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference Support looks 
like this:

4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii

depending on how I set the numbering property.

I know I could solve the problem by moving to straight-through numbering, or by 
moving the Tech Support information to some other location in a regular 
chapter, but there are problems with both these solutions. Right now, I want to 
stick with figuring out how to use Frame correctly to create the entry I want, 
which would be

Tech Support, xiii

I know how to set up a new IX format in the Reference page of the Index, which 
would use only the <$pagenum> variable.

What I can't figure out is, how do I assign that format to the Preface entry 
only? 

Thanks for all suggestions.

--Nancy
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RE: Indexing front matter

[Combs, Richard]

I forgot step 6. Maybe it doesn't need to be said, but... 
 
> 1) Create a new marker type named IndexFront.
> 2) Create a new paragraph format named IndexFrontIX that's a clone of
> IndexIX and add it to your pgf catalog.
> 3) In your ref page IX flow, add an IndexFrontIX pgf that contains only
> <$pagenum>.
> 4) In the book window, right-click your index file and select Set Up
> Standard Index.
> 5) In the dialog box, add IndexFront to the Include list and click Set.

6) Use the IndexFront marker type instead of Index for front-matter index 
entries. 


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Indexing front matter

[Combs, Richard]

I forgot step 6. Maybe it doesn't need to be said, but... 

> 1) Create a new marker type named IndexFront.
> 2) Create a new paragraph format named IndexFrontIX that's a clone of
> IndexIX and add it to your pgf catalog.
> 3) In your ref page IX flow, add an IndexFrontIX pgf that contains only
> <$pagenum>.
> 4) In the book window, right-click your index file and select Set Up
> Standard Index.
> 5) In the dialog box, add IndexFront to the Include list and click Set.

6) Use the IndexFront marker type instead of Index for front-matter index 
entries. 


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Polycom, Inc.
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Frame/InDesign

[Steve Rickaby]

At 14:56 + 11/1/11, Martin Ley wrote:

>The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
>complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
>insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.

Martin: I use both too. Many of the features you list above (conditionality, 
insets, variables, markers) are not implemented, or are implemented 
differently, in InDesign, afaik.

You have a difficult problem; for me the above might well be the killer issue. 
InD will do you lovely typography, but for my money it's still not quite a 
player in the tech book world. Also afaik, it still doesn't even support 
cross-references, or at least CS3 didn't. I use it, happily, for non-technical 
books, but I'd not like to work with it for link-rich long-doc material.

As both products are from Adobe, as as there might be license fees for them 
whichever way you go, why not try and rope in an Adobe product specialist to 
advise you? In the UK Chris Kitchener used to be the main man, certainly for 
InD, but I don't know whether he's still with Adobe. Or possibly one of their 
added-value vendors, like Mekon (Sutton)?



HTH; just my view.

-- 
Steve

RE: Indexing front matter

[Combs, Richard]

Nancy Allison wrote: 
 
> My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5
> comes out like this:
> 
> Apple pie recipe, 5-3
> 
> The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to
> Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:
> 
> Technical Support, xiii
> 
> However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes
> there is a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference
> Support looks like this:
> 
> 4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii
> 
> depending on how I set the numbering property.


It's been a while since I used folio numbering. If I'm remembering correctly, 
the process is something like this: 

1) Create a new marker type named IndexFront. 
2) Create a new paragraph format named IndexFrontIX that's a clone of IndexIX 
and add it to your pgf catalog. 
3) In your ref page IX flow, add an IndexFrontIX pgf that contains only 
<$pagenum>. 
4) In the book window, right-click your index file and select Set Up Standard 
Index. 
5) In the dialog box, add IndexFront to the Include list and click Set. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Indexing front matter

[Combs, Richard]

Nancy Allison wrote: 

> My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5
> comes out like this:
> 
> Apple pie recipe, 5-3
> 
> The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to
> Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:
> 
> Technical Support, xiii
> 
> However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes
> there is a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference
> Support looks like this:
> 
> 4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii
> 
> depending on how I set the numbering property.


It's been a while since I used folio numbering. If I'm remembering correctly, 
the process is something like this: 

1) Create a new marker type named IndexFront. 
2) Create a new paragraph format named IndexFrontIX that's a clone of IndexIX 
and add it to your pgf catalog. 
3) In your ref page IX flow, add an IndexFrontIX pgf that contains only 
<$pagenum>. 
4) In the book window, right-click your index file and select Set Up Standard 
Index. 
5) In the dialog box, add IndexFront to the Include list and click Set. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

RE: Indexing front matter

[Lief Erickson]

You could use a different marker for the content in your preface, include that 
marker in your index, and use different page formatting for that marker. It 
would be a new marker type that you would create. You might call it 
IndexPreface or something like that.

I have done something similar with tables and figures. In my index tables and 
figures are formatted differently so that they are more easily identifiable as 
content in a table or a figure rather than in body text.

-Lief

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 2:14 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Indexing front matter

Hi, all.

My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5 
comes out like this:

Apple pie recipe, 5-3

The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to 
Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:

Technical Support, xiii

However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes there is 
a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference Support looks 
like this:

4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii

depending on how I set the numbering property.

I know I could solve the problem by moving to straight-through numbering, or by 
moving the Tech Support information to some other location in a regular 
chapter, but there are problems with both these solutions. Right now, I want to 
stick with figuring out how to use Frame correctly to create the entry I want, 
which would be

Tech Support, xiii

I know how to set up a new IX format in the Reference page of the Index, which 
would use only the <$pagenum> variable.

What I can't figure out is, how do I assign that format to the Preface entry 
only? 

Thanks for all suggestions.

--Nancy
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Re: Indexing front matter

[Art Campbell]

You can set the Chapnum variable for the Preface (in the book file) to
text and the value to a space.

Still need to get rid of the hyphen, but if that's manually added to
the <$chapnum>-<$pagenuum> string, it's easy to remove.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5 
> comes out like this:
>
> Apple pie recipe, 5-3
>
> The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to 
> Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:
>
> Technical Support, xiii
>
> However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes there 
> is a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference Support 
> looks like this:
>
> 4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii
>
> depending on how I set the numbering property.
>
> I know I could solve the problem by moving to straight-through numbering, or 
> by moving the Tech Support information to some other location in a regular 
> chapter, but there are problems with both these solutions. Right now, I want 
> to stick with figuring out how to use Frame correctly to create the entry I 
> want, which would be
>
> Tech Support, xiii
>
> I know how to set up a new IX format in the Reference page of the Index, 
> which would use only the <$pagenum> variable.
>
> What I can't figure out is, how do I assign that format to the Preface entry 
> only?
>
> Thanks for all suggestions.
>
> --Nancy
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Indexing front matter

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all.

My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5 
comes out like this:

Apple pie recipe, 5-3

The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to 
Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:

Technical Support, xiii

However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes there is 
a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference Support looks 
like this:

4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii

depending on how I set the numbering property.

I know I could solve the problem by moving to straight-through numbering, or by 
moving the Tech Support information to some other location in a regular 
chapter, but there are problems with both these solutions. Right now, I want to 
stick with figuring out how to use Frame correctly to create the entry I want, 
which would be

Tech Support, xiii

I know how to set up a new IX format in the Reference page of the Index, which 
would use only the <$pagenum> variable.

What I can't figure out is, how do I assign that format to the Preface entry 
only? 

Thanks for all suggestions.

--Nancy
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FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

[Pinkham, Jim]

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to
FM 9 in docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists
were messed up because of FM 9's "translation" of certain characters
into different characters and the ensuing "loss" of the appropriate font
to be applied to the symbols (Wingdings, in my case).

I consulted the following two resources:

http://iconlogic.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/adobe-framemaker-9-but-i-dont-
want-a-plain-round-bullet.html
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame9/frame_tags.html

These should get you on the path. 

Long story short: I defined a font-specific character format for each of
my bullet symbols and applied it to each of the five different bullet
styles that needed it. I did this in a clean doc created from a virgin,
minimalist template and further stripped everything out of the new doc
that I possibly could that wasn't related to the formats I desired. Then
I stored this in my templates folder and imported this stripped-down,
format-specific template into my book.

I have two variables, one that uses the LTE symbol and another that use
a hollow arrow symbol. I took a similar approach with that.

That's as much detail as I can give you on this hectic day, but it
worked well.

Good luck!
Jim

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Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:02 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM
sets for Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to
"Symbol" font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =>  GTE  (this produces a small box) or
[Alt][0179]=>  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =>  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=>  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==>  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==>  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in
Symbol font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with
opening FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters
be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of
our previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the
entire book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and
they looked fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the
same problem when using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are "safe", but I am
suspicous of this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the
same behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

Edward.DeRosier at anritsu.com
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Indexing front matter

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all.

My manuals use chapter numbering, so an index entry for page 3 of chapter 5 
comes out like this:

Apple pie recipe, 5-3

The front matter has roman numerals with no prefixes, so a reference to 
Technical Support in the Preface should look like this:

Technical Support, xiii

However, because the Index marker set up on the Reference page assumes there is 
a chapter number prefix for every entry, the Technical Reference Support looks 
like this:

4-xiii, or 1-xiii, or 0-xiii

depending on how I set the numbering property.

I know I could solve the problem by moving to straight-through numbering, or by 
moving the Tech Support information to some other location in a regular 
chapter, but there are problems with both these solutions. Right now, I want to 
stick with figuring out how to use Frame correctly to create the entry I want, 
which would be

Tech Support, xiii

I know how to set up a new IX format in the Reference page of the Index, which 
would use only the <$pagenum> variable.

What I can't figure out is, how do I assign that format to the Preface entry 
only? 

Thanks for all suggestions.

--Nancy

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RE: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

[Pinkham, Jim]

Ed, I ran into something similar to this with my migration from FM 7 to
FM 9 in docs I've been working on this week. All of my bulleted lists
were messed up because of FM 9's "translation" of certain characters
into different characters and the ensuing "loss" of the appropriate font
to be applied to the symbols (Wingdings, in my case).

I consulted the following two resources:

http://iconlogic.blogs.com/weblog/2010/08/adobe-framemaker-9-but-i-dont-
want-a-plain-round-bullet.html
http://www.io.com/~tcm/etwr2472/guides/frame9/frame_tags.html

These should get you on the path. 

Long story short: I defined a font-specific character format for each of
my bullet symbols and applied it to each of the five different bullet
styles that needed it. I did this in a clean doc created from a virgin,
minimalist template and further stripped everything out of the new doc
that I possibly could that wasn't related to the formats I desired. Then
I stored this in my templates folder and imported this stripped-down,
format-specific template into my book.

I have two variables, one that uses the LTE symbol and another that use
a hollow arrow symbol. I took a similar approach with that.

That's as much detail as I can give you on this hectic day, but it
worked well.

Good luck!
Jim

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of DeRosier,
Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM
sets for Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to
"Symbol" font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =>  GTE  (this produces a small box) or
[Alt][0179]=>  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =>  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=>  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==>  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==>  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in
Symbol font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with
opening FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters
be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of
our previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the
entire book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and
they looked fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the
same problem when using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are "safe", but I am
suspicous of this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the
same behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

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FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

[DeRosier, Edward]

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM
sets for Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to
"Symbol" font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =>  GTE  (this produces a small box)
or
[Alt][0179]=>  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =>  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=>  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==>  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==>  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in
Symbol font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with
opening FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters
be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of
our previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the
entire book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and
they looked fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the
same problem when using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are "safe", but I am
suspicous of this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell 
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the
same behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

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RE: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)

[Pam Reichert]

I have a copy of the old WebWorks ePublisher Pro version 9.2 if you need
it.  It produces .chm files. People in this group were kind enough to give
it to me, which was a lifesaver for a project!  I needed to put that
version on a new computer but WebWorks no longer supported it so they
suggested I go to the forum and ask if anyone had it.  Let me know if you
need it.


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:10 PM
To: Anton David
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)

I believe that's the WebWorks project file and it predates 9.x so it
might be WebWorks Publisher 2003 or something like that, which
Quadralay no longer supports.

If it's the project file, it won't help you anyway. It's in binary
format and all it does is define the output format. It doesn't have
any of the source in it.

http://www.webworks.com/Support/ePublisher/Legacy_Docs/Online_Manuals/ePub
lisher_Pro/03_ManagingProjects.5.2.shtml

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Anton David  wrote:
>
>  Hello all,
>
> A client is requesting to recompile FM7 files after translation.
> The template file available in the staging directory has .wfp extension.
> Opening it in a text editor, I can see "quadralay-wdt-80"
> The output files requested are .chm and compiled online help.
>
> Is anybody able to tell me which tool has been used and which version?
>
> Thank you
>
> Anton David
> Localisation Project Manager
> Xlated ltd
>
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Does anyone know of an efficient way to convert paragraph-based xrefs to element-based xrefs?

[Mike]

We are in the process of putting all of our company documentation on our
corporate web site. The web site requires our documents now to be saved as
XML files. We used structured Frame for our manuals, but the manuals contain
a lot of cross references to a paragraph instead of a structured element. We
need to convert all of these Xrefs to point to an Xref element in the
structure. Unfortunately, some of the manuals contain several hundred and
even thousands of cross references that need converted.

Does anyone know of a better way than opening every cross reference and
manually changing the target from a paragraph to an element?

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Frame/InDesign

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Martin,

Since you already have a huge body of work in FrameMaker, you are probably
best to stay with FrameMaker. Can any of the workload be reduced through
automation?

Rick

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Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com



Fellow Framers,

I have a conundrum... 

I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me
to do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with
InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all
my FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?

An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an
interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but
this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but
neither option would appear to be very straightforward.

The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too
(we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels
Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.

The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly
complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text
insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.





Martin


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Ann: FINALYSER = TOOLBOX + Scripts

[Georg Eck]

Now, we had combine Plug-ins and Scripts in FINALYSER. 
The FINALYSER optimize the workflow for technical writers.
FINALYSER integrate all Adobe Products like FrameMaker 10, Photoshop
CS5, Bridge CS5, Illustrator CS5, ... 
see the video: http://bit.ly/helaoE

All TOOLBOX 9 users can upgrade to FINALYSER very easy:
www.finalyser.com

Test it - enjoy the new platform.
SQUIDDS - Vendor of TOOLBOX and FINALYSER

FrameMaker9 Character Set - GTE

[DeRosier, Edward]

Hi Framers,

I am haing a problem with the character set in FrameMaker 9 (TCS2).

The character set document lists the same keystrokes as in previous FM
sets for Greater Than or Equal To (GTE).
The GTE character is created in standard font, and is then changed to
"Symbol" font.

[Ctrl][q] [3]  =>  GTE  (this produces a small box)
or
[Alt][0179]=>  GTE  (this works)

[Ctrl][q] [#]  =>  LTE  (this works)
or
[Alt][0163]=>  LTE  (this works)


Problem:
  [Ctrl][q] [3]  ==>  S with caron, but not GTE in Symbol font
  [Alt][0179]==>  superscript 3, and also GTE  in Symbol font

In my past experience, the S with a caron accent was changed to GTE in
Symbol font.
Now, however, this produces a small box in Symbol font when created by
using [Ctrl][q] [3].
While the ASCII character work-around is available, I am concerned with
opening FM7.2 documents in FM9.  Will previously created GTE characters
be lost?
This is important because we are just beginning to use FM9, and all of
our previous FrameMaker documents were created with FM7.2.

I have opened a book of files (created with FM7) in FM9, updated the
entire book and saved all files.  Then I checked the GTE characters, and
they looked fine.  Trying to add additional GTE symbols resulted in the
same problem when using [Ctrl][q] [3].
This seems to indicated that the GTE symbols are "safe", but I am
suspicous of this new behavior and seek assurances.

My system:
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2
Version 9.0p230

Windows XP Professional
Version 2002, Service Pack 2

Dell 
Intel Core2 Duo CPU
E8500 @ 3.16GHz
3.25 GB RAM

Is anyone else experiencing this same behavior with FM9 ?

We are a small group of tech writers, and we are all experiencing the
same behavior of FM9.

Thanks for your help and opinions.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company

Edward.DeRosier at anritsu.com

FM10 released

[Georg Eck]

Sorry, NO. Please order maintenance or SQUIDDS PREMIUM Support for 2
years:
+ more cheaper as upgrades
+ anytime up-to-date

- Georg


> We purchased FM 9 on Nov. 10 or 11. Anyone know if there's a window of
free upgrade, such as MS has on new versions of Office?
>I know...I know. But one can **hope** :)

Jim 

Frame/InDesign

[Art Campbell]

If you're billing by the hour and your client is loaded down with too
much cash, I'd move to InDesign. It'll take a lot longer both for the
conversion and on-going maintenance, assuming you started with Frame
for it's long document / documentation  / book-handling tools.
;-  )

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358



On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Martin Ley  wrote:
> Fellow Framers,
>
> I have a conundrum...
>
> I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to 
> do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with 
> InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my 
> FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?
>
> An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
> interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but 
> this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but 
> neither option would appear to be very straightforward.
>
> The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
> (we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
> Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.
>
> The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
> complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
> insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> Martin
>
> 
> Martin Ley, Em-Dash Publications
> 84 High Street, Burwell, CAMBRIDGE, CB25 0HD
>
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Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)

[Pam Reichert]

I have a copy of the old WebWorks ePublisher Pro version 9.2 if you need
it.  It produces .chm files. People in this group were kind enough to give
it to me, which was a lifesaver for a project!  I needed to put that
version on a new computer but WebWorks no longer supported it so they
suggested I go to the forum and ask if anyone had it.  Let me know if you
need it.


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 2:10 PM
To: Anton David
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Compiling FM into help files (wfp file)

I believe that's the WebWorks project file and it predates 9.x so it
might be WebWorks Publisher 2003 or something like that, which
Quadralay no longer supports.

If it's the project file, it won't help you anyway. It's in binary
format and all it does is define the output format. It doesn't have
any of the source in it.

http://www.webworks.com/Support/ePublisher/Legacy_Docs/Online_Manuals/ePub
lisher_Pro/03_ManagingProjects.5.2.shtml

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Anton David  wrote:
>
> ?Hello all,
>
> A client is requesting to recompile FM7 files after translation.
> The template file available in the staging directory has .wfp extension.
> Opening it in a text editor, I can see "quadralay-wdt-80"
> The output files requested are .chm and compiled online help.
>
> Is anybody able to tell me which tool has been used and which version?
>
> Thank you
>
> Anton David
> Localisation Project Manager
> Xlated ltd
>
>
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Frame/InDesign

[Bill Swallow]

Which program makes the most sense for the content? And, if you
migrate, is that a good use of your time to do so given it's both a
quick fix AND you're already overloaded?

Consider a content strategy going forward. Yes, it's a client and not
your own managed content, but if a repeat client, having a strategy
for their content rather than just a plan will help keep future cases
like this at bay.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Martin Ley  wrote:
> Fellow Framers,
>
> I have a conundrum...
>
> I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to 
> do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with 
> InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my 
> FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?
>
> An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
> interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but 
> this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but 
> neither option would appear to be very straightforward.
>
> The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
> (we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
> Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.
>
> The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
> complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
> insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> Martin

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Looking for WWP 2003 for sale

[Anton David]

 Hello all,

It looks like I need a WWP 2003 to open a .wfp project file.
Is there anyone willing to sell it?

Thank you


Anton David
Localisation Project Manager
Xlated ltd

Re: Frame/InDesign

[Steve Rickaby]

At 14:56 + 11/1/11, Martin Ley wrote:

>The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
>complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
>insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.

Martin: I use both too. Many of the features you list above (conditionality, 
insets, variables, markers) are not implemented, or are implemented 
differently, in InDesign, afaik.

You have a difficult problem; for me the above might well be the killer issue. 
InD will do you lovely typography, but for my money it's still not quite a 
player in the tech book world. Also afaik, it still doesn't even support 
cross-references, or at least CS3 didn't. I use it, happily, for non-technical 
books, but I'd not like to work with it for link-rich long-doc material.

As both products are from Adobe, as as there might be license fees for them 
whichever way you go, why not try and rope in an Adobe product specialist to 
advise you? In the UK Chris Kitchener used to be the main man, certainly for 
InD, but I don't know whether he's still with Adobe. Or possibly one of their 
added-value vendors, like Mekon (Sutton)?



HTH; just my view.

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RE: Frame/InDesign

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Martin,

Since you already have a huge body of work in FrameMaker, you are probably
best to stay with FrameMaker. Can any of the workload be reduced through
automation?

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com



Fellow Framers,

I have a conundrum... 

I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me
to do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with
InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all
my FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?

An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an
interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but
this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but
neither option would appear to be very straightforward.

The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too
(we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels
Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.

The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly
complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text
insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.





Martin


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Does anyone know of an efficient way to convert paragraph-based xrefs to element-based xrefs?

[Mike]

We are in the process of putting all of our company documentation on our
corporate web site. The web site requires our documents now to be saved as
XML files. We used structured Frame for our manuals, but the manuals contain
a lot of cross references to a paragraph instead of a structured element. We
need to convert all of these Xrefs to point to an Xref element in the
structure. Unfortunately, some of the manuals contain several hundred and
even thousands of cross references that need converted.

Does anyone know of a better way than opening every cross reference and
manually changing the target from a paragraph to an element?

Thanks in advance.

Mike Heavin

Re: Frame/InDesign

[Art Campbell]

If you're billing by the hour and your client is loaded down with too
much cash, I'd move to InDesign. It'll take a lot longer both for the
conversion and on-going maintenance, assuming you started with Frame
for it's long document / documentation  / book-handling tools.
;-  )

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On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Martin Ley  wrote:
> Fellow Framers,
>
> I have a conundrum...
>
> I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to 
> do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with 
> InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my 
> FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?
>
> An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
> interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but 
> this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but 
> neither option would appear to be very straightforward.
>
> The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
> (we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
> Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.
>
> The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
> complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
> insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> Martin
>
> 
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Re: Frame/InDesign

[Bill Swallow]

Which program makes the most sense for the content? And, if you
migrate, is that a good use of your time to do so given it's both a
quick fix AND you're already overloaded?

Consider a content strategy going forward. Yes, it's a client and not
your own managed content, but if a repeat client, having a strategy
for their content rather than just a plan will help keep future cases
like this at bay.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Martin Ley  wrote:
> Fellow Framers,
>
> I have a conundrum...
>
> I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to 
> do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with 
> InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my 
> FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?
>
> An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
> interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but 
> this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but 
> neither option would appear to be very straightforward.
>
> The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
> (we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
> Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.
>
> The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
> complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
> insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> Martin

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Frame/InDesign

[Martin Ley]

Fellow Framers,

I have a conundrum... 

I have a huge body of work for one client done in FrameMaker. They want me to 
do more work than I can handle alone. I have two colleagues who work with 
InDesign, who might be able to help out. Would it be easier to migrate all my 
FrameMaker files to InDesign, or migrate my colleagues to FrameMaker?

An unfair question - particularly as I'm not giving you much detail - but an 
interesting one! I use both Frame and ID. Horses for courses, normally, but 
this is an odd situation. The client is after a quick fix, naturally, but 
neither option would appear to be very straightforward.

The FrameMaker route: I would have to migrate my colleagues to Windows too 
(we're all Mac users; I'm now really happy running Frame under XP/Parallels 
Desktop for Mac). Then they would have to learn Frame.

The InDesign route: I would have to spend a lot of time getting fairly 
complicated Frame book files working in InDesign. Conditional builds, text 
insets, variables, markers, tables, etc etc.





Martin


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RE: Flare vs Frame

[Veronica Kutt]

Here are answers to the software purchasing questions... Front Runner is
also an Adobe Software Reseller...

To answer Jim Pinkham's question...
If your company purchased a Maintenance package with FrameMaker you would
get updates/upgrades as they become available, provided the Maintenance is
current.


To answer Steve Johnson's question...
If a customer wants to do backward licensing, they order the current version
volume license of the product and the old ESD (Electronic Software Download
- one version back). Then they call Adobe Customer Care at 800-443-8158 to
request a serial number that matches the ESD.  They will need to provide the
Adobe order number for the current version order. Also, if they purchased an
upgrade license (for example, CS3 to CS5), they will also need to provide
the serial number of the original product they are upgrading from. It takes
a few days to get the old serial number.

This is a much easier process for someone who already has some volume
licenses of the product they want to install and just needs to buy more of
them. They don’t need to buy the old ESD unless they don’t already have the
old media. And they don’t need to call for a serial number; they just use
the old serial number they already have to install on additional
workstations.


If anyone is looking to purchase software let us know at Front Runner. We
can provide you pricing for the software and when you purchase the software
from us you get discounts on the training!

Thanks

Sincerely,

Veronica Kütt
President
Front Runner Training, a Div. of Front Runner Publishing Solutions Inc.
416-515-0155
Call Toll free: 1-877-999-0155
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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: January-11-11 1:20 PM
To: generic...@yahoo.ca
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jeremy H. Griffith
Subject: Re: Flare vs Frame

You can still buy Frame 8 using a special kind of licensing I can't
think of now, maybe volume licensing.

Search the Adobe Forum; you'll find it.

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Writer  wrote:
>> >I believe that I can go from Frame to .chm.
>>
>> No, you can't.  You could use Mif2Go (our product,
>> for $295), or ePublisher (for way more) 
>
> WebWorks ePublisher can also process Word files, if you decide to stick
with Word. It can also process a mix of Word, FM, and XML files.
>
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Looking for WWP 2003 for sale

[Anton David]

 
 Hello all,

It looks like I need a WWP 2003 to open a .wfp project file.
Is there anyone willing to sell it?

Thank you


Anton David
Localisation Project Manager
Xlated ltd

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Ann: FINALYSER = TOOLBOX + Scripts

[Georg Eck]

Now, we had combine Plug-ins and Scripts in FINALYSER. 
The FINALYSER optimize the workflow for technical writers.
FINALYSER integrate all Adobe Products like FrameMaker 10, Photoshop
CS5, Bridge CS5, Illustrator CS5, ... 
see the video: http://bit.ly/helaoE

All TOOLBOX 9 users can upgrade to FINALYSER very easy:
www.finalyser.com

Test it - enjoy the new platform.
SQUIDDS - Vendor of TOOLBOX and FINALYSER
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Re: FM10 released

[Georg Eck]

Sorry, NO. Please order maintenance or SQUIDDS PREMIUM Support for 2
years:
+ more cheaper as upgrades
+ anytime up-to-date

- Georg


> We purchased FM 9 on Nov. 10 or 11. Anyone know if there's a window of
free upgrade, such as MS has on new versions of Office?
>I know...I know. But one can **hope** :)

Jim 

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