Revision marks (bars)
I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which revisions get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a bulletproof process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Revision marks (bars)
If memory serves me right, select the text and press Esc c h Regards...Chris To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Revision marks (bars) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:19:27 -0500 From: kgrace4...@aol.com I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which revisions get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a bulletproof process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as cs...@sympatico.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Revision marks (bars)
We do all of our change bars manually: 1. Select the text that you want to mark. 2. Open the character designer. 3. Check the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Make sure that you don't use Update All. To remove the change bars, do the opposite: 1. Select the paragraphs or text that includes the change bars. 2. Open the character designer. 3. De-select the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of kgrace4...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Revision marks (bars) I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which revisions get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a bulletproof process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Check out the new Crane Aerospace Electronics Newsroom! http://newsroom.craneae.com Like us on Facebook! http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Crane-Aerospace-Electronics/163305413682908 We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Revision marks (bars)
Similar to what I do, except for one important (to me, a critical) difference. After selecting the text, in character designer, the first thing I do is set Commands-Set Window to As Is, *before* selecting/deselecting the Change Bar button and applying the character format. Else I might clobber *other* paragraph / character format settings to the text that I needed the change bar on. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:33 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: kgrace4...@aol.com Subject: RE: Revision marks (bars) We do all of our change bars manually: 1. Select the text that you want to mark. 2. Open the character designer. 3. Check the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Make sure that you don't use Update All. To remove the change bars, do the opposite: 1. Select the paragraphs or text that includes the change bars. 2. Open the character designer. 3. De-select the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of kgrace4...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Revision marks (bars) I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which revisions get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a bulletproof process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Check out the new Crane Aerospace Electronics Newsroom! http://newsroom.craneae.com Like us on Facebook! http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Crane-Aerospace-Electronics/163305413682908 We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Process color coming out as spot
Here we go yet again with Frame and color output. I'm trying to use pantone uncoated 200 from the Framemaker drop down pantone charts. Even though it is set to be process, cmyk, the printer is telling me my color output for that pantone is spot. Am I missing something? Framemaker 9.0 windows 7 Home running on Mac OS10.6 parallels. Scott White Manager - Content and Print Media Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that distribution, disclosure, printing, copying, storage, modification or the taking of any action in reliance upon this transmission is strictly prohibited. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient shall not compromise or waive such confidentiality. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Messages sent to or from this contact will be recorded and are subject to archival, monitoring, and/or disclosure to someone other than the recipient. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that distribution, disclosure, printing, copying, storage, modification or the taking of any action in reliance upon this transmission is strictly prohibited. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient shall not compromise or waive such confidentiality. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Messages sent to or from this contact will be recorded and are subject to archival, monitoring, and/or disclosure to someone other than the recipient. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog
Many thanks to several of you who have responded so far (some on and off list). Fred, I agree that this list is relevant to the authors only and does not have an effect on the document. In my years past, when it happened, I simply dismissed it and moved on. I am pursuing it now because it is appearing in my template, which means it will likely be present in every future document created from that template. Another reason is because I am gearing up to �C very, very hopefully -- be training other SME writers who will all be new to Frame. I’d like it very much if these new learners do not encounter this ”distraction” while they are learning to use Frame. Michael, I did verify that the elements are listed in Document Order (not sorted by ID) in the X-Ref dialog. This is a good thing to watch for if someone gets confused because they changed the sort order. As always, this group is terrific! Jasmine Graham Technical Writer, Research and Development Wireline Services Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 jasmine.gra...@weatherford.com │ www.weatherford.com From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:49 PM To: Graham, Jasmine S; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog Why does it matter what order is used in the Cross-Reference dialog? That list is merely a convenience to authors when when new cross-references are being added to a document. You are the only person who ever sees that list, and its order has absolutely no effect on the final document. Cross-references are point-to-point links that depend on the (semi-)unique marker ID number that FrameMaker assigns the first time you create an x-ref that points to a given paragraph. The order in which targets are listed in the Cross-Reference dialog has no effect on the functioning of the x-refs. -Fred Ridder From: yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:57 + Fellow Framers, Structured Frame 8, on XP, been clicking along just fine, but now experiencing a quirk I’ve seen in years past. I am the only one working on these documents, so I assume it’s a pilot error on my part. What causes a table element to appear out of order in the Cross-Reference dialog? After inserting new tables, I go to create new cross references and see elements listed in the X-Ref dialog as follows: Table 1 Table 4 (was a new table I added) Table 3 (was a second new table I added) Table 2 Table 5 (was three before I got into this) I have tried numerous things like moving them around, deleting and recreating, and so forth. What is it that I am doing to cause this so that I can remedy it? What’s happening under the hood to get these references out of order? Thanks in advance and Happy Friday! Jasmine Graham This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If it has been sent to you in error, please reply to advise the sender of the error and then immediately delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, copy, disclose or otherwise use this message. The sender disclaims any liability for such unauthorized use. PLEASE NOTE that all incoming e-mails sent to Weatherford e-mail accounts will be archived and may be scanned by us and/or by external service providers to detect and prevent threats to our systems, investigate illegal or inappropriate behavior, and/or eliminate unsolicited promotional e-mails (spam). This process could result in deletion of a legitimate e-mail before it is read by its intended recipient at our organization. Moreover, based on the scanning results, the full text of e-mails and attachments may be made available to Weatherford security and other personnel for review and appropriate action. If you have any concerns about this process, please contact us at datapriv...@weatherford.com. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Setting up the graphics context menu (or double click) to edit a PDF graphic with Illustrator
Hello Framers, I am using FrameMaker 9 on a Windows XP system. I have been using EPS format graphics, created with Illustrator (CS4) and Photoshop (CS4), in my FrameMaker books. This works well for two main reasons: I can double click the graphic within FrameMaker and the EPS file opens in Illustrator When I generate a PDF version of a book, I can search for words within the PDF and the text in the graphics is included in that search. Now I would like to save my graphics in PDF format in Illustrator and import the PDF into FrameMaker files. The trouble is that when I double click the graphics in FrameMaker I start Acrobat, not Illustrator. If I set up Windows File Types to associate .PDF files with Illustrator, then I am stuck with Illustrator opening all the PDF files I read (mainly the FrameMaker User Guide). So I have been trying to set up FrameMaker's Graphics Context menu (the right click menu) to have an option for starting Illustrator. But I can't figure out how to do it. The Graphics Context menu as supplied has Edit with RoboScreenCapture. I thought that the RoboScreenCapture entry might be a clue on what to do, but I can't find RoboScreenCapture mentioned in any Frame cfg files. Does anyone know if it is possible to set up a menu option in FrameMaker to launch another application? Can I set up FrameMaker so that Illustrator is launched by double clicking a PDF graphic, that would be nice? Regards, Mike Michael Down Technical Writer Invensys Rail Pty Ltd T +61 3 9674 7724 E michael.d...@invensysrail.com W http://www.invensysrail.com 179–185 Normanby Road South Melbourne VIC 3205 Australia ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email _ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Off-topic: Document! X
All: The software engineers on this particular software product selected Document! X as the tool and did the initial setup. I am now tasked with completing the documentation. It appears that I can have only three help pages for a project, and the topic titles are both automatically generated and not changeable. I checked product's online help and the company website (including the knowledgebase). I also scoured the internet looking for information, especially for user groups. No luck. I need information asap. Can anyone steer me to information about this product? Thanks in advance and apologies for a very off-topic post, Sharon McLeod Welch Allyn 503.642.2676 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Revision marks (bars)
I LOVE THIS!!! Regards, Dimi Dimi Everette, Sr. Technical Writer 6500 River Place Blvd., Bldg. 6, Austin, TX 78730 | t: 512.372.6988 | f: 512.372.7001 [cid:image001.gif@01CBD28C.BF4C63A0]http://www.polycom.com/ [cid:image002.jpg@01CBD28C.BF4C63A0] Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information of Polycom and is intended for a specific individual. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this communication, including any attachments without reading or saving them in any manner, and you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Seal Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:46 AM To: kgrace4...@aol.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Revision marks (bars) If memory serves me right, select the text and press Esc c h Regards...Chris To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Revision marks (bars) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:19:27 -0500 From: kgrace4...@aol.com I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which revisions get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a bulletproof process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as cs...@sympatico.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. inline: image001.gifinline: image002.jpg___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
More Frustrations with Robo8-FM9 in TCS2
Well, after several long conversations with Adobe technical support, I got RoboHelp to import FM books and files. It turns out that my registry was pretty messed. Ah, the plight of the technical writer with alpha-level software and innumerable geeky software products. I ended up reinstalling Win7 Pro, and after two days of installing required software, I was back in business. Now, I'm still having strange Robo-FM linking (actually importing) problems. I am importing books into Robo because I want to be able to edit in either Robo or FM and have the edits reflected in the other source. I have a couple of issues: * I'm setting the Pagination option for Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 in the Conversion Settings dialog box. After import, Heading1 and Heading2 sections are in separate topics, but Heading3s and their text are within the Heading2 topic. Any suggestions on how to make this work correctly? I'd rather not go through and manually copy these sections to new topics. I doubt the automatic updating across products will survive that. * I'm using a custom CSS, and it is specified in the Import drop-down of the Project Settings dialog box. When I try mapping from FM styles to RoboHelp Style in the Conversion Settings dialog box, the RoboHelp Style drop-down doesn't include additional styles defined in my custom CSS. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Jay Mahler 734-645-6298 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
Hi Ant, Probably not what you want to hear but... Frankly, why bother. It is reinventing the wheel that Adobe decided to let fall some years go with Frame View, et al. InDesign already has a client application for copy editing, I see no particular reason for Frame to have another application added to the mix when Adobe have just spent the last several years consolidating the range of Frame products into one. People do their own thing now. Why would they want to change that and give up their creative freedoms? From their standpoint you might consider this as a corporate imposition on what it is they want to achieve and not as a means to streamline and improve their work. When I have wanted a client to edit and update content I have used mif2go and exported the relevant chapter(s) as rtf. This provides the benefit of ensuring only named styles are exported into the file, along with named fonts, etc. Alternatively I have made a Word template which has limited access to unwanted styles. Do you really want people to go editing the content of your documents? Have they been trained, and what of your own job security? From the SME standpoint: 1, I would not want to have go out buy another word processor when I already have one. 2, I am a business person, I know what I want and don't need to be told. Word does what I want. 3, I have a business to run, I do not want to be bothered with having to learn a new program to do the things I can already do with what I already have. 4, What am I paying those guys for? Now they want me to do their work and pay their license fees too? I do not see that having a Frame Light version adds any particular value to FrameMaker or to a workflow without the addition of significant other supporting infrastructure such as versioning, which on its own entails a server and network, and security, and hardware, and software... All these can be achieved with Acrobat's editing and annotation functions. From my experience these already provide significant value, and when added to the rtf export with mif2go, there is not a lot left for a Frame Lite version to do. Good luck though. Cheers Alan On 22/02/2011, at 11:56 PM, Anthony Davey wrote: Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix versions? Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't have the patience to fix such things by hand. And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of Illustrator. I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want. Rick Smith. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
Totally agreeing with Rick here, and yet curiously, we are both SMEs. Go figure ;) Alan On 23/02/2011, at 10:14 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix versions? Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't have the patience to fix such things by hand. And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of Illustrator. I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want. Rick Smith. -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
This is something I have been in favor of for at least 10 years. It would be great to be able to set up read-only templates (both structured and unstructured) for users, particularly those with fairly simple documents. If it were inexpensive enough ($99 at the most), it could be used by clients that need to create, edit, and exchange documents. It wouldn't necessarily have to be totally WYSIWYG. These documents could then be opened with FrameMaker and be processed for various outputs. It is a nuisance to go back and forth from FrameMaker and Word, especially since it is difficult to enforce standards in Word. Frame Light would be used to enforce standards during data entry, while FrameMaker could be used as a print engine. This goes back to a more efficient division of labor where writers and editors don't need to be concerned as much with look and feel, but with applying the correct structure to the documents. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market? Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
On the other hand, faced with clients who keep asking me to port their Frame manuals into Word so they can make text edits, I would welcome a relatively inexpensive 'Frame Light product. As it presently stands, clients will not buy Frame, and find PDF markup cumbersome for extensive edits. It's not a case of them wanting to pull the project into Word -- they know Frame has superior long doc handling/numbering/cross refs/indexing/PDF-generation, and are happy to pay us to format in Frame to gain access to those benefits in the manuals. But they don't want to buy a $1000 program to be able to edit more easily. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com • 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Dr Rick Smith wrote: I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix versions? Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't have the patience to fix such things by hand. And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of Illustrator. I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want. Rick Smith. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith r...@cryptosmith.com wrote: I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that they do OK. -- Milan Davidović http://twitter.com/altmilan http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
On 23/02/2011, at 11:00 AM, Milan Davidović wrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith r...@cryptosmith.com wrote: I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that they do OK. These target a different kind of market. They are consumer, non- professionally oriented and has little to do with what FrameMaker does. You would be unlikely to see a home-based Elements user opening Frame Lite to edit something, for example. Alan -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
It will never happen. Adobe's solution is for you to give someone an edible PDF and have them comment in the PDF in sticky notes or mark the PDF using the advanced text editor tools. Then, with Acro 10, you can import their comments and changes into Frame and then accept or reject them through track changes and conditions. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 *408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 * gfl...@nanometrics.commailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com [cid:image001.jpg@01CBD29D.390D4320] Think of the trees. Please don't print this email unless absolutely necessary. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brad Anderson Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:21 PM To: Anthony Davey Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market? I, too, have wished for the capability for more than 10 years and have requested it numerous times from Adobe. This would be one way to bring back the Mac version--add FrameMaker lite to the App store. I think a price point of $99 or less would be great. There are too many of our clients that end up porting their documents back and forth from Word to FrameMaker. This is due to licensing costs, training, and Word just has better (and more easily used) functions for tracking and editing changes. I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly from FrameMaker. I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp. Here's hoping for a FrameMaker lite... Brad On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Anthony Davey wrote: Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant inline: image001.jpg___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
Lightroom probably is a better fit for the description Photoshop Light than Elements is... Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:00:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market? From: milan.li...@gmail.com To: r...@cryptosmith.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith r...@cryptosmith.com wrote: I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that they do OK. -- Milan Davidović http://twitter.com/altmilan http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Revision marks (bars)
I create a character tag that I routinely label zz:change_bar. I'll explain why later. The character tag sets everything AS IS except I enable the change bars option. Select each word or paragraph that you want to be marked with change bars and apply the character tag. When you are ready to remove the change bars, search for the character tag entitled zz:change_bar to find all instances and select the Default Font option in the Character catalog to remove the tag. To ensure that you have removed all the zz: tags, select FormatDocumentChange BarsClear All Change Bars. This is important because often the zz: tag will remain on any paragraph that contains an override. Carol At 11:00 AM 2/22/2011, you wrote: I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which revisions get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a bulletproof process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
I'd like to see this as well, but also doubt that this would be something that Adobe will get behind. You'd think that Adobe's web-editor (Buzzword) would export to FM (or MIF), but no. It exports to PDF, DOC, DOCX, RTF, ZIP, TXT, ODT, and EPUB (hmm .. need to check that out). C'mon .. MIF is just a simple conversion from RTF! :) ...scott Rick Quatro wrote: One more thing regarding this: I highly doubt that Adobe is going to do this anyway. The next best thing would be a light-weight, inexpensive editor, either in a browser or stand-alone, that would work with a schema to enforce standards. I suppose I am thinking of an XML editor, so maybe this already exists. Any suggestions, recommendations, or further discussion, would be welcome. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Davey *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Frame Light, what's the potential market? Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly from FrameMaker. I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp. When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that capability, though. So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a reasonably priced script that would do the conversion. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:19:35 -0600, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly from FrameMaker. I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp. When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that capability, though. So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a reasonably priced script that would do the conversion. For ePub output, consider Calibre, which is free: http://calibre-ebook.com/ You can feed it with the HTML output of Mif2Go or ePP. Maybe even the Frame native HTML, never tried that. Or perhaps your PDF; it's flexible. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
That is arguable. Elements applications are horrible and not at all like Photoshop or Premiere. And whatever you think of Elements, Frame Light would be very different from any of the above. I love Photoshop, hate Elements (parents use it). It's like a child's tricycle with a huge engine and no gasoline. Just makes no sense whatsoever. 2011/2/22 Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com: Lightroom probably is a better fit for the description Photoshop Light than Elements is... Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:00:53 -0500 Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market? From: milan.li...@gmail.com To: r...@cryptosmith.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith r...@cryptosmith.com wrote: I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a Light version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. Do you consider Adobe's Elements versions as light (e.g. Photoshop Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that they do OK. -- Milan Davidović http://twitter.com/altmilan http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Add PDF links in Word
Hi Rick, From my Mac in Office 2008 : Highlight the displayed text then go to Insert > Hyperlink. Opens the Insert Hyperlink dialog and in there you can insert links to web pages, other documents, and mailto's. The text displayed is what was highlighted. Now, I don't know that the equivalent would be in the Windows version but I assume something similar. HIH Alan On 22/02/2011, at 9:47 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > I am sorry I didn't make my question more clear. The Word text > itself is not > a URL; it is the title of a document. I want to make a link from the > text to > a URL. Thanks. > > Rick > > Hi Framers, > > I want to add some links to a word document that will convert to > links in > the resulting PDF file. They will be links to URLs. Any help or > pointer to > how to do it would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Rick -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice
Revision marks (bars)
I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which "revisions" get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a "bulletproof" process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace
Revision marks (bars)
If memory serves me right, select the text and press Esc c h Regards...Chris > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Revision marks (bars) > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:19:27 -0500 > From: kgrace4715 at aol.com > > I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate > changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of > automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it > indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to > handle which "revisions" get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall > the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method > seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to > me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version > 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the > changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a > "bulletproof" process or methodology for handling revisions to > documents? > > K. Grace > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as cseal at sympatico.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/8ba74691/attachment.html>
Revision marks (bars)
We do all of our change bars manually: 1. Select the text that you want to mark. 2. Open the character designer. 3. Check the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Make sure that you don't use Update All. To remove the change bars, do the opposite: 1. Select the paragraphs or text that includes the change bars. 2. Open the character designer. 3. De-select the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of kgrace4715 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:19 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Revision marks (bars) I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which "revisions" get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a "bulletproof" process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Check out the new Crane Aerospace & Electronics Newsroom! http://newsroom.craneae.com Like us on Facebook! http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Crane-Aerospace-Electronics/163305413682908 We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files.
Revision marks (bars)
Similar to what I do, except for one important (to me, a critical) difference. After selecting the text, in character designer, the first thing I do is set "Commands->Set Window to As Is", *before* selecting/deselecting the "Change Bar" button and applying the character format. Else I might clobber *other* paragraph / character format settings to the text that I needed the change bar on. Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:33 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: kgrace4715 at aol.com Subject: RE: Revision marks (bars) We do all of our change bars manually: 1. Select the text that you want to mark. 2. Open the character designer. 3. Check the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Make sure that you don't use Update All. To remove the change bars, do the opposite: 1. Select the paragraphs or text that includes the change bars. 2. Open the character designer. 3. De-select the Change Bar button. 4. Click the Update button. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of kgrace4715 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:19 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Revision marks (bars) I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to handle which "revisions" get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a "bulletproof" process or methodology for handling revisions to documents? K. Grace ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Check out the new Crane Aerospace & Electronics Newsroom! http://newsroom.craneae.com Like us on Facebook! http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Crane-Aerospace-Electronics/163305413682908 We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Process color coming out as spot
Here we go yet again with Frame and color output. I'm trying to use pantone uncoated 200 from the Framemaker drop down pantone charts. Even though it is set to be process, cmyk, the printer is telling me my color output for that pantone is spot. Am I missing something? Framemaker 9.0 windows 7 Home running on Mac OS10.6 parallels. Scott White Manager - Content and Print Media Belmont, NC - 704-398-5752 This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that distribution, disclosure, printing, copying, storage, modification or the taking of any action in reliance upon this transmission is strictly prohibited. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient shall not compromise or waive such confidentiality. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Messages sent to or from this contact will be recorded and are subject to archival, monitoring, and/or disclosure to someone other than the recipient. This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that distribution, disclosure, printing, copying, storage, modification or the taking of any action in reliance upon this transmission is strictly prohibited. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient shall not compromise or waive such confidentiality. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Messages sent to or from this contact will be recorded and are subject to archival, monitoring, and/or disclosure to someone other than the recipient.
Setting up the graphics context menu (or double click) to edit a PDF graphic with Illustrator
Hello Framers, I am using FrameMaker 9 on a Windows XP system. I have been using EPS format graphics, created with Illustrator (CS4) and Photoshop (CS4), in my FrameMaker books. This works well for two main reasons: I can double click the graphic within FrameMaker and the EPS file opens in Illustrator When I generate a PDF version of a book, I can search for words within the PDF and the text in the graphics is included in that search. Now I would like to save my graphics in PDF format in Illustrator and import the PDF into FrameMaker files. The trouble is that when I double click the graphics in FrameMaker I start Acrobat, not Illustrator. If I set up Windows File Types to associate .PDF files with Illustrator, then I am stuck with Illustrator opening all the PDF files I read (mainly the FrameMaker User Guide). So I have been trying to set up FrameMaker's Graphics Context menu (the right click menu) to have an option for starting Illustrator. But I can't figure out how to do it. The Graphics Context menu as supplied has "Edit with RoboScreenCapture". I thought that the RoboScreenCapture entry might be a clue on what to do, but I can't find RoboScreenCapture mentioned in any Frame cfg files. Does anyone know if it is possible to set up a menu option in FrameMaker to launch another application? Can I set up FrameMaker so that Illustrator is launched by double clicking a PDF graphic, that would be nice? Regards, Mike Michael Down Technical Writer Invensys Rail Pty Ltd T +61 3 9674 7724 E Michael.Down at invensysrail.com W http://www.invensysrail.com 179?185 Normanby Road South Melbourne VIC 3205 Australia -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/6a809066/attachment.html>
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/97264715/attachment.html>
Off-topic: Document! X
All: The software engineers on this particular software product selected Document! X as the tool and did the initial setup. I am now tasked with completing the documentation. It appears that I can have only?three help pages for a project, and the topic?titles are both automatically generated and not changeable. I checked product's online help and?the company website (including the knowledgebase). I also scoured the internet looking for information, especially for user groups. No luck. I need information asap. ? Can anyone steer me to information about this product? ? Thanks in advance and apologies for a very off-topic post, ? Sharon McLeod Welch Allyn 503.642.2676 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/2ad0d598/attachment.html>
Revision marks (bars)
I LOVE THIS!!! Regards, Dimi Dimi Everette, Sr. Technical Writer 6500 River Place Blvd., Bldg. 6, Austin, TX 78730 | t: 512.372.6988 | f: 512.372.7001 [cid:image001.gif at 01CBD28C.BF4C63A0]<http://www.polycom.com/> [cid:image002.jpg at 01CBD28C.BF4C63A0] Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information of Polycom and is intended for a specific individual. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this communication, including any attachments without reading or saving them in any manner, and you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Seal Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:46 AM To: kgrace4715 at aol.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Revision marks (bars) If memory serves me right, select the text and press Esc c h Regards...Chris > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Revision marks (bars) > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:19:27 -0500 > From: kgrace4715 at aol.com > > I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate > changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of > automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because it > indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be able to > handle which "revisions" get highlighted as a change. I seem to recall > the use of character tag or something along those lines but that method > seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is most important to > me is being able to remove the revisions marks when going from version > 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision marks only indicates the > changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and 3. Has someone developed a > "bulletproof" process or methodology for handling revisions to > documents? > > K. Grace > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as cseal at sympatico.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/1b8e273b/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2268 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/1b8e273b/attachment.gif> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 843 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/1b8e273b/attachment.jpg>
More Frustrations with Robo8-FM9 in TCS2
Well, after several long conversations with Adobe technical support, I got RoboHelp to import FM books and files. It turns out that my registry was pretty messed. Ah, the plight of the technical writer with alpha-level software and innumerable geeky software products. I ended up reinstalling Win7 Pro, and after two days of installing required software, I was back in business. Now, I'm still having strange Robo-FM linking (actually importing) problems. I am importing books into Robo because I want to be able to edit in either Robo or FM and have the edits reflected in the other source. I have a couple of issues: * I'm setting the "Pagination" option for Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 in the Conversion Settings dialog box. After import, Heading1 and Heading2 sections are in separate topics, but Heading3s and their text are within the Heading2 topic. Any suggestions on how to make this work correctly? I'd rather not go through and manually copy these sections to new topics. I doubt the automatic updating across products will survive that. * I'm using a custom CSS, and it is specified in the Import drop-down of the Project Settings dialog box. When I try mapping from FM styles to RoboHelp Style in the Conversion Settings dialog box, the RoboHelp Style drop-down doesn't include additional styles defined in my custom CSS. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Jay Mahler 734-645-6298 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/2e4f68f0/attachment.html>
More Frustrations with Robo8-FM9 in TCS2
If you're doing an import, it's a one-way/one-time thing with the info in FM being sucked into RH. If you want to be able to edit the contents in FM and have them flow through to RH, you need to use the linking function, not importing. To eliminate your custom CSS as the culprit, try importing the FM files into a fresh RH book with the default CSS used - does it split up Heading 3 at that point? If so, then you know that your custom CSS is missing something. I've never heard anyone mention seeing any of their style definitions in their CSS shown in the FM to RH conversion settings. Why would you expect to see them? If the styles aren't in use in your FM docs, then they won't show up in the resulting RH project. A CSS is really a set of formatting instructions for the output - you could define all sorts of styles in your CSS, but if they are never encountered, the CSS sections describing them won't be used. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jay Mahler Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:46 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: More Frustrations with Robo8-FM9 in TCS2 Well, after several long conversations with Adobe technical support, I got RoboHelp to import FM books and files. It turns out that my registry was pretty messed. Ah, the plight of the technical writer with alpha-level software and innumerable geeky software products. I ended up reinstalling Win7 Pro, and after two days of installing required software, I was back in business. Now, I'm still having strange Robo-FM linking (actually importing) problems. I am importing books into Robo because I want to be able to edit in either Robo or FM and have the edits reflected in the other source. I have a couple of issues: * I'm setting the "Pagination" option for Heading1, Heading2, and Heading3 in the Conversion Settings dialog box. After import, Heading1 and Heading2 sections are in separate topics, but Heading3s and their text are within the Heading2 topic. Any suggestions on how to make this work correctly? I'd rather not go through and manually copy these sections to new topics. I doubt the automatic updating across products will survive that. * I'm using a custom CSS, and it is specified in the Import drop-down of the Project Settings dialog box. When I try mapping from FM styles to RoboHelp Style in the Conversion Settings dialog box, the RoboHelp Style drop-down doesn't include additional styles defined in my custom CSS. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Jay Mahler 734-645-6298 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/4e8da8b8/attachment.html>
Off-topic: Document! X
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 08:32:36 -0800 (PST), Sharon McLeod wrote: >The software engineers on this particular software product >selected Document! X as the tool and did the initial setup. >I am now tasked with completing the documentation. >?... >Can anyone steer me to information about this product? You'll have better luck on HATT: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HATT/ where this query would definitely be ON-topic. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the market for a "Light" version of their product. I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things never thrive. If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix versions? Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those of us who don't have the patience to fix such things by hand. And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy a copy of Illustrator. I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want. Rick Smith.
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
This is something I have been in favor of for at least 10 years. It would be great to be able to set up "read-only" templates (both structured and unstructured) for users, particularly those with fairly simple documents. If it were inexpensive enough ($99 at the most), it could be used by clients that need to create, edit, and exchange documents. It wouldn't necessarily have to be totally WYSIWYG. These documents could then be opened with FrameMaker and be processed for various outputs. It is a nuisance to go back and forth from FrameMaker and Word, especially since it is difficult to enforce standards in Word. Frame Light would be used to enforce standards during data entry, while FrameMaker could be used as a print engine. This goes back to a more efficient division of labor where writers and editors don't need to be concerned as much with look and feel, but with applying the correct structure to the documents. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market? Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/55b53695/attachment.html>
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One more thing regarding this: I highly doubt that Adobe is going to do this anyway. The next best thing would be a light-weight, inexpensive editor, either in a browser or stand-alone, that would work with a schema to enforce standards. I suppose I am thinking of an XML editor, so maybe this already exists. Any suggestions, recommendations, or further discussion, would be welcome. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Davey Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame Light, what's the potential market? Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/df22825e/attachment.html>
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On the other hand, faced with clients who keep asking me to port their Frame manuals into Word so they can make text edits, I would welcome a relatively inexpensive 'Frame Light" product. As it presently stands, clients will not buy Frame, and find PDF markup cumbersome for extensive edits. It's not a case of them wanting to pull the project into Word -- they know Frame has superior long doc handling/numbering/cross refs/indexing/PDF-generation, and are happy to pay us to format in Frame to gain access to those benefits in the manuals. But they don't want to buy a $1000 program to be able to edit more easily. Tori Muir tmuir at spot-on-creative.com ? 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Dr Rick Smith wrote: > I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the > market for a "Light" version of their product. > > I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things > never thrive. > > If they want to expand the market for Frame, why not bring back the Mac/Unix > versions? > > Moreover, they could focus on the benefits Frame carries over the > competition, like numbering and cross references that by-golly work, and work > reliably. This fills an important niche in tech writing, especially for those > of us who don't have the patience to fix such things by hand. > > And it would definitely improve my own workflow if I could create a > printer-ready PDF directly from Frame, instead of having to re-edit my > simple, if numerous, diagrams in Illustrator. But then I wouldn't need to buy > a copy of Illustrator. > > I'm a one-man outfit, so I doubt they care what I want. > > Rick Smith. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as tmuir at spot-on-creative.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
I, too, have wished for the capability for more than 10 years and have requested it numerous times from Adobe. This would be one way to bring back the Mac version--add FrameMaker lite to the App store. I think a price point of $99 or less would be great. There are too many of our clients that end up porting their documents back and forth from Word to FrameMaker. This is due to licensing costs, training, and Word just has better (and more easily used) functions for tracking and editing changes. I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly from FrameMaker. I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp. Here's hoping for a FrameMaker lite... Brad On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Anthony Davey wrote: > Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... > > I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago > at > the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to > develop a > business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and > review > content, but little else. > > I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 > at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in > Word. > Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it > is > collected together. > > So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or > unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content > provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text > styles > (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can > get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph > format > names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full > license holders. > > To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) > functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would > (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you > currently > have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local > install, > web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to > get > it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently > use? > > Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output > with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME > puts > fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my > organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for > this. Please let me know. > > Best regards, > Ant ------ next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/b4dc2fc9/attachment.html>
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On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: > I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about the > market for a "Light" version of their product. > > I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such things > never thrive. Do you consider Adobe's "Elements" versions as "light" (e.g. Photoshop Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that they do OK. -- Milan Davidovi? http://twitter.com/altmilan http://altmilan.blogspot.com http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
It will never happen. Adobe's solution is for you to give someone an edible PDF and have them comment in the PDF in sticky notes or mark the PDF using the advanced text editor tools. Then, with Acro 10, you can import their comments and changes into Frame and then accept or reject them through track changes and conditions. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 *408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 * gflato at nanometrics.com<mailto:gflato at nanometrics.com> [cid:image001.jpg at 01CBD29D.390D4320] Think of the trees. Please don't print this email unless absolutely necessary. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Brad Anderson Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:21 PM To: Anthony Davey Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market? I, too, have wished for the capability for more than 10 years and have requested it numerous times from Adobe. This would be one way to bring back the Mac version--add FrameMaker lite to the App store. I think a price point of $99 or less would be great. There are too many of our clients that end up porting their documents back and forth from Word to FrameMaker. This is due to licensing costs, training, and Word just has better (and more easily used) functions for tracking and editing changes. I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output directly from FrameMaker. I can output an ePub straight from InDesign or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub through RoboHelp. Here's hoping for a FrameMaker lite... Brad On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Anthony Davey wrote: Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/78d01100/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1180 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/78d01100/attachment.jpg>
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Lightroom probably is a better fit for the description "Photoshop Light" than Elements is... > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:00:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market? > From: milan.lists at gmail.com > To: rick at cryptosmith.com > CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Dr Rick Smith > wrote: > > I admit I'm astonished that any software product manager could ask about > > the market for a "Light" version of their product. > > > > I thought the industry had already proven - time and again - that such > > things never thrive. > > Do you consider Adobe's "Elements" versions as "light" (e.g. Photoshop > Elements)? I have no sales figures for them, but my impression is that > they do OK. > > -- > Milan Davidovi? > http://twitter.com/altmilan > http://altmilan.blogspot.com > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/milandavidovic > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110222/46f5a0ed/attachment.html>
Revision marks (bars)
I create a character tag that I routinely label zz:change_bar. I'll explain why later. The character tag sets everything AS IS except I enable the change bars option. Select each word or paragraph that you want to be marked with change bars and apply the character tag. When you are ready to remove the change bars, search for the character tag entitled zz:change_bar to find all instances and select the Default Font option in the Character catalog to remove the tag. To ensure that you have removed all the zz: tags, select Format>Document>Change Bars>Clear All Change Bars. This is important because often the zz: tag will remain on any paragraph that contains an override. Carol At 11:00 AM 2/22/2011, you wrote: >I would really like to make the use of revision bars to indicate >changes made to a document that I am working on. I am aware of >automatic change bars. I don't think this is the best option because >it indicates all changes with a revision bar. I would like to be >able to handle which "revisions" get highlighted as a change. I seem >to recall the use of character tag or something along those lines >but that method seemed to have some drawbacks. The criteria that is >most important to me is being able to remove the revisions marks >when going from version 2 to 3 so that the next set of revision >marks only indicates the changes in version 3 and not versions 2 and >3. Has someone developed a "bulletproof" process or methodology for >handling revisions to documents?
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
I'd like to see this as well, but also doubt that this would be something that Adobe will get behind. You'd think that Adobe's web-editor (Buzzword) would export to FM (or MIF), but no. It exports to PDF, DOC, DOCX, RTF, ZIP, TXT, ODT, and EPUB (hmm .. need to check that out). C'mon .. MIF is just a simple conversion from RTF! :) ...scott Rick Quatro wrote: > > One more thing regarding this: I highly doubt that Adobe is going to > do this anyway. The next best thing would be a light-weight, > inexpensive editor, either in a browser or stand-alone, that would > work with a schema to enforce standards. I suppose I am thinking of an > XML editor, so maybe this already exists. Any suggestions, > recommendations, or further discussion, would be welcome. Thank you > very much. > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > 585-659-8267 > > rick at frameexpert.com > > > > *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com > > > > > > > > *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Davey > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM > *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com > *Subject:* Frame Light, what's the potential market? > > > > Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... > > > > I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few > days ago at > the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to > develop a > business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create > and review > content, but little else. > > I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting > with 10 > at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content > in Word. > Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff > once it is > collected together. > > So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or > unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the > content > provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few > text styles > (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by > reference. I can > get around a need to define conditional text by using different > paragraph format > names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by > full > license holders. > > To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) > functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses > you would > (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you > currently > have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local > install, > web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for > it to get > it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs > currently > use? > > Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be > output > with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time > an SME puts > fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my > organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be > demand for > this. Please let me know. > > Best regards, > Ant > > > _ > The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may > also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. > > This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original > intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is > not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by > mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the > email and any copies from your system. > > Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the > senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards > Board (RSSB). > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > __ > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as sp10 at leximation.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Frame Light, what's the potential market?
> I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output > directly from FrameMaker. I can output an ePub straight from InDesign > or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub > through RoboHelp. > When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that capability, though. So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a reasonably priced script that would do the conversion. Mike Wickham
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:19:35 -0600, Mike Wickham wrote: > >> I think it was a mistake for FrameMaker 10 not to include ePub output >> directly from FrameMaker. I can output an ePub straight from InDesign >> or straight from Apple Pages, but I need the full TCS3 to output ePub >> through RoboHelp. >> >When I saw the announcement of RJ Jacquez' webinar on producing EPUB, I >was excited. That's a feature I could use. Then I watched the webinar >and saw that RoboHelp would also be required, and was disappointed. The >logic, according to RJ, was that Adobe chose to put Web output into >RoboHelp and print output into FM. But, sheesh. Those of us who create >print books have no need for any of the help or Web features in >RoboHelp, but it would be nice to port a book easily into EPUB. There's >no way I'm going to spend the $1300 to upgrade to TCS3 just for that >capability, though. > >So maybe a RoboHelp Extra Lite is what I want-- EPUB only. Or, maybe now >that ExtendScript is hooked into FM, some third party will create a >reasonably priced script that would do the conversion. For ePub output, consider Calibre, which is free: http://calibre-ebook.com/ You can feed it with the HTML output of Mif2Go or ePP. Maybe even the Frame native HTML, never tried that. Or perhaps your PDF; it's flexible. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
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