FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)

[Oran Petersen]

We started using extensive Cross-refs about 5 years ago. Experienced similar 
issues with some not working in pdf. At that time we turned on the links, which 
generates Named Destinations all over the place, and the issue went away. We 
decided to live with the bloated file size and more sluggish performance of the 
pdfs. 

Recently, we started doing more fancy stuff with annotations and other such in 
the pdf, and the size became a huge issue with slow saves, sluggishness, etc. 
Turning off the links, and optimizing the files cured that problem, but ... 
some broken links reared up again. Some of these files are 50 pages of many 
column tables in small print, so are most likely generating 50,000 or so named 
destinations with the links on. This is not acceptable. 

So we did some serious research and discovered the following: 
When Frame populates Frame generated files, such as TOCs, Indexes, Lists of, 
etc. it generates a Named Destination for its internal use for those 
elements/paragraphs called in the generated files. This is permanently stored 
in the Frame file. This is why the hyperlink markers in the generated files 
always work, regardless of the links setting in the pdf setup. 

We painfully discovered that if you manually create a hypertext marker of the 
type used for generated files: 
openObjectId {filename}:2 {UniqueID} 
and point to a UniqueID that is called by a generated file the link works in 
pdf, and if not called it does not work in pdf. Works great in Frame. As a test 
I generated a file containing only the element/paratag type (Para in this 
case), and recreated the pdf. The broken links for that element//paratag type 
then worked, but but broken links for others not in the generate did not. 

We use the FDK to create a highlight report, and build links manually to point 
to the associated content. We now know why some work and some don't if the 
links setting is off. Some were in content called by generates and some were 
not. 

We also had issues with some, but not all cross-refs when the links setting was 
off. Here we discovered that if you point to another file in a Frame book, and 
DO NOT UPDATE THE FRAME BOOK before you create the pdf, those cross-refs do not 
work in the pdf, although they are OK in Frame. So it would seem that Frame 
also creates and stores named destinations for cross-refs when you update the 
book. 

I surmise that after you complete your cross-ref work if you update the book 
prior to pdf creation they will work with the link setting off. Same thing 
should hold true for a single file. Updated the file before you do the pdf. 

Others may have more insight on this. We are now researching methods to create 
named destinations for our manually inserted hypertext markers without 
resorting to turning on the links setting. 

Tables on spreads

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:35 -0400 16/5/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:

>OK, here goes. . so as not to disrupt the numbering of other tables in the 
>book.

Stuart, that is just so awesomely and devilishly cunning ;-) Thanks.

(No problem with numbering here, as table not numbered and document really 
consists only of the one large table.)

-- 
Steve

Random stray number

[Klaus Daube]

On 15 May 2012 at 12:01, Steve Cavanaugh wrote:

> There is a clue however - this number only EVER appears on the very last
> page. I have 33 pages here, full of text insets with numbering. None
> misbehaves except the very last one. Anyone have a hint?

Probably this: use empty anchor paragraph for the text inset, follow the anchor 
with a non-breaking 
space. You may wish to use a distinct style name and small font size for this 
anchor para.

HTH
Klaus Daube
~~
Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich
Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
F: +41-44-422 86 25  E: ddd at daube.ch  W: www.daube.ch

FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)

[Rick Quatro]

You may want to consider TimeSavers from MicroType
(http://www.microtype.com). It has an "Unbloat" feature which removes all
unused named destinations during the distilling process. You check Create
Named Destinations for All Elements and Paragraphs in the PDF Setup dialog
box; then TimeSavers transparently removes any that aren't in use. Please
let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
585-219-8959 fax
rick at frameexpert.com
http://www.frameexpert.com



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:22 PM
To: FrameMaker List
Subject: RE: FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)


We started using extensive Cross-refs about 5 years ago. Experienced similar
issues with some not working in pdf. At that time we turned on the links,
which generates Named Destinations all over the place, and the issue went
away. We decided to live with the bloated file size and more sluggish
performance of the pdfs. 

Recently, we started doing more fancy stuff with annotations and other such
in the pdf, and the size became a huge issue with slow saves, sluggishness,
etc. Turning off the links, and optimizing the files cured that problem, but
... some broken links reared up again. Some of these files are 50 pages of
many column tables in small print, so are most likely generating 50,000 or
so named destinations with the links on. This is not acceptable. 

So we did some serious research and discovered the following: 
When Frame populates Frame generated files, such as TOCs, Indexes, Lists of,
etc. it generates a Named Destination for its internal use for those
elements/paragraphs called in the generated files. This is permanently
stored in the Frame file. This is why the hyperlink markers in the generated
files always work, regardless of the links setting in the pdf setup. 

We painfully discovered that if you manually create a hypertext marker of
the type used for generated files: 
openObjectId {filename}:2 {UniqueID}
and point to a UniqueID that is called by a generated file the link works in
pdf, and if not called it does not work in pdf. Works great in Frame. As a
test I generated a file containing only the element/paratag type (Para in
this case), and recreated the pdf. The broken links for that
element//paratag type then worked, but but broken links for others not in
the generate did not. 

We use the FDK to create a highlight report, and build links manually to
point to the associated content. We now know why some work and some don't if
the links setting is off. Some were in content called by generates and some
were not. 

We also had issues with some, but not all cross-refs when the links setting
was off. Here we discovered that if you point to another file in a Frame
book, and DO NOT UPDATE THE FRAME BOOK before you create the pdf, those
cross-refs do not work in the pdf, although they are OK in Frame. So it
would seem that Frame also creates and stores named destinations for
cross-refs when you update the book. 

I surmise that after you complete your cross-ref work if you update the book
prior to pdf creation they will work with the link setting off. Same thing
should hold true for a single file. Updated the file before you do the pdf. 

Others may have more insight on this. We are now researching methods to
create named destinations for our manually inserted hypertext markers
without resorting to turning on the links setting. 
___

Tables on spreads

[Stuart Rogers]

On 17/05/2012 4:29 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> At 16:35 -0400 16/5/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>
>> OK, here goes. . so as not to disrupt the numbering of other tables
>> in the book.
>
> Stuart, that is just so awesomely and devilishly cunning ;-) Thanks.
>
> (No problem with numbering here, as table not numbered and document
> really consists only of the one large table.)
>

Hey Steve,

Blessed are the schemers, for they shall inherit the maintenance 
headaches ;-)  Glad to have helped, hope it does in fact solve the 
problem for you!!

Best regards,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)

[Stuart Rogers]

On 16/05/2012 11:21 PM, Oran Petersen wrote:
>
> We started using extensive Cross-refs about 5 years ago. Experienced
> similar issues with some not working in pdf. ...
>
> Others may have more insight on this. We are now researching methods
> to create named destinations for our manually inserted hypertext
> markers without resorting to turning on the links setting.
> ___


You've done a lot of work in diagnosis!

I second Rick Quatro's suggestion to use TimeSavers, but in reading your 
conclusions, I can also suggest that you try adding an Index of Markers 
or similar generated file to your book, as the last file, which you then 
never use or include in print or pdf.  From your research, it appears 
that simply creating the file and updating the book would be enough to 
guarantee working links.

best regards,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)

[Fred Ridder]

Stuart Rogers wrote:


> I second Rick Quatro's suggestion to use TimeSavers, but in reading your 
> conclusions, I can also suggest that you try adding an Index of Markers 
> or similar generated file to your book, as the last file, which you then 
> never use or include in print or pdf. From your research, it appears 
> that simply creating the file and updating the book would be enough to 
> guarantee working links.

Nice strategy, Stuart. I like that approach a lot.

-Fred Ridder


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utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Chris Despopoulos]

And to add onto this, you could convert the generated list into a 1-column 
table, then sort it.

On 2012-05-15 16:29, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report
> duplicate heading names?
>

You could use Special > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) for all 
your headings (or repeated Lists, one heading at a time), and then scan 
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utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Combs, Richard]

Chris Despopoulos wrote:

> And to add onto this, you could convert the generated list into a 1-
> column table, then sort it.
> 
> On 2012-05-15 16:29, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> > Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report
> > duplicate heading names?
> >
> 
> You could use Special > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) for all
> your headings (or repeated Lists, one heading at a time), and then scan
> through them looking for duplicates.

The suggestion was to create an alphabetical list. So it will already be sorted 
in the only way that makes sense for finding duplicates. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Chris Despopoulos]

Oops.? I can write, but I can't read!




 From: "Combs, Richard" 
To: Chris Despopoulos ; "framers at 
lists.frameusers.com"  
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

Chris Despopoulos wrote:

> And to add onto this, you could convert the generated list into a 1-
> column table, then sort it.
> 
> On 2012-05-15 16:29, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> > Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report
> > duplicate heading names?
> >
> 
> You could use Special > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) for all
> your headings (or repeated Lists, one heading at a time), and then scan
> through them looking for duplicates.

The suggestion was to create an alphabetical list. So it will already be sorted 
in the only way that makes sense for finding duplicates. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
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utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Robert Lauriston]

Skimming an alphabetical list of a thousand or more headings is not a
very efficient or reliable way for me to find duplicates.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Combs, Richard
 wrote:

> The suggestion was to create an alphabetical list. So it will already be 
> sorted in the only way that makes sense for finding duplicates.

utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Craig Ede]

One can pretty easily write a little script (perl, python, etc.) that ticks
through a text dump of this list and flags you for dupes. If you haven't
tried to do this sort of thing, it is worth the effort and will spur you on
to inventing more such tools. That beats the heck out of visually scanning
for dupes.

Craig

Archive all imported files

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Bruce died last year - that's why you don't see it around anymore. There's an 
archive script built in FM 10, but I don't know of anything off the top of my 
head that works in FM 8. Google the frameusers.com site to see discussions 
about the Archive tool's fate.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:23 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Archive all imported files

Hi, all;

I'm wondering what ever happened to Bruce Foster's "Archive" tool for FM (v8). 
I am hunting around Carmen Publishing, Leximation, Techknowledgecorp's Handy 
FrameMaker tools page, and various other sites; and I can not seem to find it 
anywhere.

We just want to open a book, click a menu item, and have it "package" the BOOK 
file and all of the FM, graphics, and text insets into a new folder or ZIP 
file, for purposes of archiving and "freezing" revisions (no, we don't have a 
CMS--got to do it all via folder/file operations).

If Bruce's Archive isn't available anymore, what other options do we have? 
Seems like FrameScript could do it (of course) but I'm not sure if that's our 
simplest or most cost-effective option (i.e., we don't need "to pack a U-Haul 
for a weekend trip," so to speak).

Suggestions?
David
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utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm ... no need to make it too complicated, I suspect. I suspect a variant of 
the following command line (if you are on a Unix system anyway) will probably 
work:

sort < inputfile.txt | uniq -c | grep -v "   1 "

to find any lines that are present _more_ than once.

(There are three spaces before, and one space character after, the digit 1 
above ... to ignore single occurrences.)

In my PC, I wrote my own uniq and grep years ago to emulate the Unix commands 
in a DOS window, and "sort" has always been available in a DOS command prompt 
... even in today's Windows 7 environment .

Z

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:06 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

One can pretty easily write a little script (perl, python, etc.) that ticks 
through a text dump of this list and flags you for dupes. If you haven't tried 
to do this sort of thing, it is worth the effort and will spur you on to 
inventing more such tools. That beats the heck out of visually scanning for 
dupes.

Craig

Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Fei Min Lorente]

I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I?d heard that Adobe 
added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help 
people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and no 
substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using DITA out of the 
box with FrameMaker 10?



Fei Min



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To: Fei Min Lorente
Subject: New comment on "XML & Technical Writing: How many of you use XML in 
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LinkedIn Groups


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I tried to figure out how to create a DITA project in structured FrameMaker 10. 
I was unable to find any entry-level documentation or sample projects suitable 
for learning:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4118558 
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I'm sure I could figure out how to do it if I had to, but if somebody's paying 
me for my time, it would probably be more cost-effective to buy Oxygen. 
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Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Scott Prentice]

I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful 
that ships with the product. There's a lot "out there" in blogs and 
wikis and maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask, 
you're probably out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have 
provided more than just a reference to the docs.

The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is really no 
different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need 
to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless 
of the tool.

I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it.  :o

...scott


On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:
>
> I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I'd heard that 
> Adobe added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of 
> FrameMaker to help people get started with structure, and especially 
> DITA. Is that all hype and no substance? Are you still hearing that 
> people have trouble using DITA out of the box with FrameMaker 10?
>
> Fei Min
>
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> Writer Forum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:31 PM
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> *Subject:* New comment on "XML & Technical Writing: How many of you 
> use XML in technical writing?"
>
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>   LinkedIn Groups
>
>   * *Group:*Technical Writer Forum
>   * *Discussion:*XML & Technical Writing: How many of you use XML in
> technical writing?
> 
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>
>
> I tried to figure out how to create a DITA project in structured 
> FrameMaker 10. I was unable to find any entry-level documentation or 
> sample projects suitable for learning:
>
> http://forums.adobe.com/message/4118558 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/e/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Eadobe%2Ecom%2Fmessage%2F4118558/-RQt/?hs=false&tok=1CSZNwYKoG5Rg1>
>  
>
>
> I'm sure I could figure out how to do it if I had to, but if 
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Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Writer]

>The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is
??really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring
??tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but
??DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.


Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to create output such as PDFs, 
the topic templates, and the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks with how it 
handles attribute filtering).


I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA: 
http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_3&products_id=10

Nadine

FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?

[Rick Quatro]

You should be able to configure Webworks to output XHTML 4.0.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:04 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?

Is anyone else working on exporting from FrameMaker to Confluence 4.x, or
actually doing it using anything other than Confluence's Word import (which
is slick but has some serious bugs) or WebWorks (which generates Confluence
3.x wiki markup rather than 4.x XHTML)?

Archive all imported files

[Rick Quatro]

Hi David,

I have both a FrameScript and ExtendScript version (for FrameMaker 10). You
can get a site license for either one for $80. If you are interested, please
contact me off list.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
585-219-8959 fax
rick at frameexpert.com
http://www.frameexpert.com



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:25 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Archive all imported files

[Resending because I *always* forget we're on an ancient listserv...]

Hi, all;

I'm wondering what ever happened to Bruce Foster's "Archive" tool for FM
(v8). I am hunting around Carmen Publishing, Leximation, Techknowledgecorp's
Handy FrameMaker tools page, and various other sites; and I can not seem to
find it anywhere.

We just want to open a book, click a menu item, and have it "package"
the BOOK file and all of the FM, graphics, and text insets into a new folder
or ZIP file, for purposes of archiving and "freezing" revisions (no, we
don't have a CMS--got to do it all via folder/file operations).

If Bruce's Archive isn't available anymore, what other options do we have?
Seems like FrameScript could do it (of course) but I'm not sure if that's
our simplest or most cost-effective option (i.e., we don't need "to pack a
U-Haul for a weekend trip," so to speak).

Suggestions?
David

utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Robert Lauriston]

Is there some way to suppress the page numbers in a FrameMaker 10 list
of paragraphs?

As a workaround I could format them with tabs and use that to strip them.

utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Craig Ede]

Thank you. I miss UNIX.

Craig

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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
[mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Craig Ede; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

Hmmm ... no need to make it too complicated, I suspect. I suspect a variant
of the following command line (if you are on a Unix system anyway) will
probably work:

sort < inputfile.txt | uniq -c | grep -v "   1 "

to find any lines that are present _more_ than once.

(There are three spaces before, and one space character after, the digit 1
above ... to ignore single occurrences.)

In my PC, I wrote my own uniq and grep years ago to emulate the Unix
commands in a DOS window, and "sort" has always been available in a DOS
command prompt ... even in today's Windows 7 environment .

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:06 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

One can pretty easily write a little script (perl, python, etc.) that ticks
through a text dump of this list and flags you for dupes. If you haven't
tried to do this sort of thing, it is worth the effort and will spur you on
to inventing more such tools. That beats the heck out of visually scanning
for dupes.

Craig

Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Robert Lauriston]

I've evaluated a number of DocBook and DITA authoring tools. With
Oxygen XML, which is the easiest I've tried, I created a sample
project and generated output within ten minutes. It took me somewhat
longer in XMetal but it wasn't hard.

FrameMaker 10 is by far the most opaque putative DocBook / DITA
authoring tool I've looked at. The help resources are all for
FrameMaker 7.x:

http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/?trackingid=ZLQL#xmldita

The Using the DocBook Starter Kit and Using the DocBook Starter Kit
guides are just a few pages of very abstract information. It
references the Structured FrameMaker Developer?s Guide, which I guess
has been supplanted by the "Structured Application Developer
Reference." Neither those docs nor the sample files bundled with
FrameMaker gave me any clue of how to create a project from scratch or
port an existing unstructured FrameMaker doc.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
>
> I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful that 
> ships with the product. There's a lot "out there" in blogs and wikis and 
> maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask, you're probably 
> out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have provided more than 
> just a reference to the docs.
>
> The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is really no 
> different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need to 
> understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless of the 
> tool.
>
> I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it.? :o
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:
>
> I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I?d heard that Adobe 
> added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help 
> people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and 
> no substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using DITA out 
> of the box with FrameMaker 10?

Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Robert...

It's unfortunate that you headed down the "Structured Application" path 
.. that has nothing to do with creating a DITA project .. that's how you 
create the files that allow you to author in an XML model like DITA or 
DocBook, but the DITA structured application has already been created 
and is available for you to use. Those docs are "developer" docs not 
"user" docs.

As you found, none of the documentation available at the location you 
reference has anything to do with DITA or how you'd use it in FM10 (I 
have no idea why Adobe still provides the "DITA Starter Kit for FM 7.2" 
.. yikes, talk about misleading).

If you'd only been pointed in the right direction, you may have found 
that it is actually very easy to create and maintain DITA files in 
FrameMaker ..

 File > New > DITA > 

Setting up a DITA "project" is really the same in Frame as it is in all 
other DITA authoring tools. You create some topics, you create a map, 
then you arrange those topics in the map. You do need to have a rough 
idea as to how to arrange the elements in the topics and maps, but 
that's the same in all tools. If you're familiar with FM's structured 
authoring UI, you'll be in good shape. If not, that's something to read 
up on.

There are lots of places to find info on the concepts behind DITA 
authoring .. those will all apply to Frame as well as other editors. It 
would be really nice though if Adobe provided a "Quick Start Guide for 
DITA in Frame". Oh well .. maybe for the next release!  :o

Cheers,

...scott


On 5/17/12 4:27 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> I've evaluated a number of DocBook and DITA authoring tools. With
> Oxygen XML, which is the easiest I've tried, I created a sample
> project and generated output within ten minutes. It took me somewhat
> longer in XMetal but it wasn't hard.
>
> FrameMaker 10 is by far the most opaque putative DocBook / DITA
> authoring tool I've looked at. The help resources are all for
> FrameMaker 7.x:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/?trackingid=ZLQL#xmldita
>
> The Using the DocBook Starter Kit and Using the DocBook Starter Kit
> guides are just a few pages of very abstract information. It
> references the Structured FrameMaker Developer?s Guide, which I guess
> has been supplanted by the "Structured Application Developer
> Reference." Neither those docs nor the sample files bundled with
> FrameMaker gave me any clue of how to create a project from scratch or
> port an existing unstructured FrameMaker doc.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:
>> I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful that 
>> ships with the product. There's a lot "out there" in blogs and wikis and 
>> maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask, you're 
>> probably out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have provided 
>> more than just a reference to the docs.
>>
>> The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is really no 
>> different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need to 
>> understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless of the 
>> tool.
>>
>> I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it.  :o
>>
>> ...scott
>>
>>
>> On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:
>>
>> I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I?d heard that Adobe 
>> added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to 
>> help people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all 
>> hype and no substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using 
>> DITA out of the box with FrameMaker 10?
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Re: Tables on spreads

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:35 -0400 16/5/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:

>OK, here goes. . so as not to disrupt the numbering of other tables in the 
>book.

Stuart, that is just so awesomely and devilishly cunning ;-) Thanks.

(No problem with numbering here, as table not numbered and document really 
consists only of the one large table.)

-- 
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Re: Random stray number

[Klaus Daube]

On 15 May 2012 at 12:01, Steve Cavanaugh wrote:

> There is a clue however - this number only EVER appears on the very last
> page. I have 33 pages here, full of text insets with numbering. None
> misbehaves except the very last one. Anyone have a hint?

Probably this: use empty anchor paragraph for the text inset, follow the anchor 
with a non-breaking 
space. You may wish to use a distinct style name and small font size for this 
anchor para.

HTH
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RE: FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)

[Rick Quatro]

You may want to consider TimeSavers from MicroType
(http://www.microtype.com). It has an "Unbloat" feature which removes all
unused named destinations during the distilling process. You check Create
Named Destinations for All Elements and Paragraphs in the PDF Setup dialog
box; then TimeSavers transparently removes any that aren't in use. Please
let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:22 PM
To: FrameMaker List
Subject: RE: FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)


We started using extensive Cross-refs about 5 years ago. Experienced similar
issues with some not working in pdf. At that time we turned on the links,
which generates Named Destinations all over the place, and the issue went
away. We decided to live with the bloated file size and more sluggish
performance of the pdfs. 

Recently, we started doing more fancy stuff with annotations and other such
in the pdf, and the size became a huge issue with slow saves, sluggishness,
etc. Turning off the links, and optimizing the files cured that problem, but
... some broken links reared up again. Some of these files are 50 pages of
many column tables in small print, so are most likely generating 50,000 or
so named destinations with the links on. This is not acceptable. 

So we did some serious research and discovered the following: 
When Frame populates Frame generated files, such as TOCs, Indexes, Lists of,
etc. it generates a Named Destination for its internal use for those
elements/paragraphs called in the generated files. This is permanently
stored in the Frame file. This is why the hyperlink markers in the generated
files always work, regardless of the links setting in the pdf setup. 

We painfully discovered that if you manually create a hypertext marker of
the type used for generated files: 
openObjectId {filename}:2 {UniqueID}
and point to a UniqueID that is called by a generated file the link works in
pdf, and if not called it does not work in pdf. Works great in Frame. As a
test I generated a file containing only the element/paratag type (Para in
this case), and recreated the pdf. The broken links for that
element//paratag type then worked, but but broken links for others not in
the generate did not. 

We use the FDK to create a highlight report, and build links manually to
point to the associated content. We now know why some work and some don't if
the links setting is off. Some were in content called by generates and some
were not. 

We also had issues with some, but not all cross-refs when the links setting
was off. Here we discovered that if you point to another file in a Frame
book, and DO NOT UPDATE THE FRAME BOOK before you create the pdf, those
cross-refs do not work in the pdf, although they are OK in Frame. So it
would seem that Frame also creates and stores named destinations for
cross-refs when you update the book. 

I surmise that after you complete your cross-ref work if you update the book
prior to pdf creation they will work with the link setting off. Same thing
should hold true for a single file. Updated the file before you do the pdf. 

Others may have more insight on this. We are now researching methods to
create named destinations for our manually inserted hypertext markers
without resorting to turning on the links setting. 
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Re: Tables on spreads

[Stuart Rogers]

On 17/05/2012 4:29 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 16:35 -0400 16/5/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:


OK, here goes. . so as not to disrupt the numbering of other tables
in the book.


Stuart, that is just so awesomely and devilishly cunning ;-) Thanks.

(No problem with numbering here, as table not numbered and document
really consists only of the one large table.)



Hey Steve,

Blessed are the schemers, for they shall inherit the maintenance 
headaches ;-)  Glad to have helped, hope it does in fact solve the 
problem for you!!


Best regards,

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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
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Re: FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)

[Stuart Rogers]

On 16/05/2012 11:21 PM, Oran Petersen wrote:


We started using extensive Cross-refs about 5 years ago. Experienced
similar issues with some not working in pdf. ...

Others may have more insight on this. We are now researching methods
to create named destinations for our manually inserted hypertext
markers without resorting to turning on the links setting.
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You've done a lot of work in diagnosis!

I second Rick Quatro's suggestion to use TimeSavers, but in reading your 
conclusions, I can also suggest that you try adding an Index of Markers 
or similar generated file to your book, as the last file, which you then 
never use or include in print or pdf.  From your research, it appears 
that simply creating the file and updating the book would be enough to 
guarantee working links.


best regards,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: FM9: Cross refs lost when building a PDF (Terri Schultz)

[Fred Ridder]

Stuart Rogers wrote:
 

> I second Rick Quatro's suggestion to use TimeSavers, but in reading your 
> conclusions, I can also suggest that you try adding an Index of Markers 
> or similar generated file to your book, as the last file, which you then 
> never use or include in print or pdf. From your research, it appears 
> that simply creating the file and updating the book would be enough to 
> guarantee working links.

Nice strategy, Stuart. I like that approach a lot.
 
-Fred Ridder
 
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Re: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Chris Despopoulos]

And to add onto this, you could convert the generated list into a 1-column 
table, then sort it.

On 2012-05-15 16:29, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report
> duplicate heading names?
>

You could use Special > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) for all 
your headings (or repeated Lists, one heading at a time), and then scan 
through them looking for duplicates.
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RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Combs, Richard]

Chris Despopoulos wrote:

> And to add onto this, you could convert the generated list into a 1-
> column table, then sort it.
> 
> On 2012-05-15 16:29, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> > Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report
> > duplicate heading names?
> >
> 
> You could use Special > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) for all
> your headings (or repeated Lists, one heading at a time), and then scan
> through them looking for duplicates.

The suggestion was to create an alphabetical list. So it will already be sorted 
in the only way that makes sense for finding duplicates. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Re: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Chris Despopoulos]

Oops.  I can write, but I can't read!




 From: "Combs, Richard" 
To: Chris Despopoulos ; 
"framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?
 
Chris Despopoulos wrote:

> And to add onto this, you could convert the generated list into a 1-
> column table, then sort it.
> 
> On 2012-05-15 16:29, Robert Lauriston wrote:
> > Is there a utility that will check a FrameMaker book and report
> > duplicate heading names?
> >
> 
> You could use Special > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) for all
> your headings (or repeated Lists, one heading at a time), and then scan
> through them looking for duplicates.

The suggestion was to create an alphabetical list. So it will already be sorted 
in the only way that makes sense for finding duplicates. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Archive all imported files

[David Artman]

Hi, all;I'm wondering what ever happened to Bruce Foster's "Archive" tool for FM (v8). I am hunting around Carmen Publishing, Leximation, Techknowledgecorp's Handy FrameMaker tools page, and various other sites; and I can not seem to find it anywhere.We just want to open a book, click a menu item, and have it "package" the BOOK file and all of the FM, graphics, and text insets into a new folder or ZIP file, for purposes of archiving and "freezing" revisions (no, we don't have a CMS--got to do it all via folder/file operations).If Bruce's Archive isn't available anymore, what other options do we have? Seems like FrameScript could do it (of course) but I'm not sure if that's our simplest or most cost-effective option (i.e., we don't need "to pack a U-Haul for a weekend trip," so to speak).Suggestions?David
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Archive all imported files

[David Artman]

[Resending because I *always* forget we're on an ancient listserv...]

Hi, all;

I'm wondering what ever happened to Bruce Foster's "Archive" tool for FM
(v8). I am hunting around Carmen Publishing, Leximation,
Techknowledgecorp's Handy FrameMaker tools page, and various other
sites; and I can not seem to find it anywhere.

We just want to open a book, click a menu item, and have it "package"
the BOOK file and all of the FM, graphics, and text insets into a new
folder or ZIP file, for purposes of archiving and "freezing" revisions
(no, we don't have a CMS--got to do it all via folder/file operations).

If Bruce's Archive isn't available anymore, what other options do we
have? Seems like FrameScript could do it (of course) but I'm not sure if
that's our simplest or most cost-effective option (i.e., we don't need
"to pack a U-Haul for a weekend trip," so to speak).

Suggestions?
David

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RE: Random stray number

[Steve Cavanaugh]

It seems I discovered that this is a longstanding bug in FrameMaker, as
I found a solution on the Adobe forums that was developed for version
7.1. The bug is still there. If you import a text inset hard against the
pilcrow, it automatically adds a paragraph after the inset. One that you
cannot control. But if you import a text inset with a blank paragraph
following it, everything is fine. Bizarre.

Onward!

Steve

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:02 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Random stray number

FrameMaker 10, Windows 7 64 bit, all apps up to date.

I am single-sourcing some content here (unstructured), and this issue is
driving me bug eyed. I am using a lot of text insets that have
numbering. I have two styles for numbering these - one that sets the
numbering to start at 1, and the other to increment the numbering. 

I keep the formatting of the text inset when I import to the main
document. For some reason Frame displays a brand new 1 after the end of
the numbered list, ONLY in the main document. I do not see it in the raw
text inset. I've added spaces, added lines with body styles - even tried
pulling all my hair out. Nothing seems to resolve this extraneous
number. 

There is a clue however - this number only EVER appears on the very last
page. I have 33 pages here, full of text insets with numbering. None
misbehaves except the very last one. Anyone have a hint?

Steve Cavanaugh


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Re: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Robert Lauriston]

I'm working with around a thousand pages here. That would not be practical.

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM,   wrote:
> You could use Special > List Of > Paragraphs (Alphabetical) for all your
> headings (or repeated Lists, one heading at a time), and then scan through
> them looking for duplicates.
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Re: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Robert Lauriston]

EditPad Pro's my text editor of choice, never seen that feature.
What's it called?

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> You could generate a list of paragraphs, save it to a text file, and use a
> text editor that can sort lines and show duplicates. I use EditPad Pro and
> it can do this.
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FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?

[Robert Lauriston]

Is anyone else working on exporting from FrameMaker to Confluence 4.x,
or actually doing it using anything other than Confluence's Word
import (which is slick but has some serious bugs) or WebWorks (which
generates Confluence 3.x wiki markup rather than 4.x XHTML)?
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Re: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Robert Lauriston]

Skimming an alphabetical list of a thousand or more headings is not a
very efficient or reliable way for me to find duplicates.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Combs, Richard
 wrote:

> The suggestion was to create an alphabetical list. So it will already be 
> sorted in the only way that makes sense for finding duplicates.
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RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Craig Ede]

One can pretty easily write a little script (perl, python, etc.) that ticks
through a text dump of this list and flags you for dupes. If you haven't
tried to do this sort of thing, it is worth the effort and will spur you on
to inventing more such tools. That beats the heck out of visually scanning
for dupes.

Craig



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RE: Archive all imported files

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Bruce died last year - that's why you don't see it around anymore. There's an 
archive script built in FM 10, but I don't know of anything off the top of my 
head that works in FM 8. Google the frameusers.com site to see discussions 
about the Archive tool's fate.


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:23 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Archive all imported files

Hi, all;

I'm wondering what ever happened to Bruce Foster's "Archive" tool for FM (v8). 
I am hunting around Carmen Publishing, Leximation, Techknowledgecorp's Handy 
FrameMaker tools page, and various other sites; and I can not seem to find it 
anywhere.

We just want to open a book, click a menu item, and have it "package" the BOOK 
file and all of the FM, graphics, and text insets into a new folder or ZIP 
file, for purposes of archiving and "freezing" revisions (no, we don't have a 
CMS--got to do it all via folder/file operations).

If Bruce's Archive isn't available anymore, what other options do we have? 
Seems like FrameScript could do it (of course) but I'm not sure if that's our 
simplest or most cost-effective option (i.e., we don't need "to pack a U-Haul 
for a weekend trip," so to speak).

Suggestions?
David
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RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm ... no need to make it too complicated, I suspect. I suspect a variant of 
the following command line (if you are on a Unix system anyway) will probably 
work:

sort < inputfile.txt | uniq -c | grep -v "   1 "

to find any lines that are present _more_ than once.

(There are three spaces before, and one space character after, the digit 1 
above ... to ignore single occurrences.)

In my PC, I wrote my own uniq and grep years ago to emulate the Unix commands 
in a DOS window, and "sort" has always been available in a DOS command prompt 
... even in today's Windows 7 environment .

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:06 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

One can pretty easily write a little script (perl, python, etc.) that ticks 
through a text dump of this list and flags you for dupes. If you haven't tried 
to do this sort of thing, it is worth the effort and will spur you on to 
inventing more such tools. That beats the heck out of visually scanning for 
dupes.

Craig

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Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Scott Prentice]

I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful 
that ships with the product. There's a lot "out there" in blogs and 
wikis and maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask, 
you're probably out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have 
provided more than just a reference to the docs.


The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is really no 
different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need 
to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless 
of the tool.


I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it.  :o

...scott


On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:


I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I'd heard that 
Adobe added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of 
FrameMaker to help people get started with structure, and especially 
DITA. Is that all hype and no substance? Are you still hearing that 
people have trouble using DITA out of the box with FrameMaker 10?


Fei Min

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Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Writer]

>The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is
  really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring
  tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but
  DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.


Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to create output such as PDFs, 
the topic templates, and the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks with how it 
handles attribute filtering).


I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA: 
http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_3&products_id=10

Nadine

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RE: FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?

[Rick Quatro]

You should be able to configure Webworks to output XHTML 4.0.

Rick

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:04 PM
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Subject: FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?

Is anyone else working on exporting from FrameMaker to Confluence 4.x, or
actually doing it using anything other than Confluence's Word import (which
is slick but has some serious bugs) or WebWorks (which generates Confluence
3.x wiki markup rather than 4.x XHTML)?


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RE: Archive all imported files

[Rick Quatro]

Hi David,

I have both a FrameScript and ExtendScript version (for FrameMaker 10). You
can get a site license for either one for $80. If you are interested, please
contact me off list.

Rick

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:25 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Archive all imported files

[Resending because I *always* forget we're on an ancient listserv...]

Hi, all;

I'm wondering what ever happened to Bruce Foster's "Archive" tool for FM
(v8). I am hunting around Carmen Publishing, Leximation, Techknowledgecorp's
Handy FrameMaker tools page, and various other sites; and I can not seem to
find it anywhere.

We just want to open a book, click a menu item, and have it "package"
the BOOK file and all of the FM, graphics, and text insets into a new folder
or ZIP file, for purposes of archiving and "freezing" revisions (no, we
don't have a CMS--got to do it all via folder/file operations).

If Bruce's Archive isn't available anymore, what other options do we have?
Seems like FrameScript could do it (of course) but I'm not sure if that's
our simplest or most cost-effective option (i.e., we don't need "to pack a
U-Haul for a weekend trip," so to speak).

Suggestions?
David



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Re: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Robert Lauriston]

Is there some way to suppress the page numbers in a FrameMaker 10 list
of paragraphs?

As a workaround I could format them with tabs and use that to strip them.
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RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

[Craig Ede]

Thank you. I miss UNIX.

Craig

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From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 3:53 PM
To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

Hmmm ... no need to make it too complicated, I suspect. I suspect a variant
of the following command line (if you are on a Unix system anyway) will
probably work:

sort < inputfile.txt | uniq -c | grep -v "   1 "

to find any lines that are present _more_ than once.

(There are three spaces before, and one space character after, the digit 1
above ... to ignore single occurrences.)

In my PC, I wrote my own uniq and grep years ago to emulate the Unix
commands in a DOS window, and "sort" has always been available in a DOS
command prompt ... even in today's Windows 7 environment .

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:06 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: utility to check that all heading names are unique?

One can pretty easily write a little script (perl, python, etc.) that ticks
through a text dump of this list and flags you for dupes. If you haven't
tried to do this sort of thing, it is worth the effort and will spur you on
to inventing more such tools. That beats the heck out of visually scanning
for dupes.

Craig


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Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Robert Lauriston]

I've evaluated a number of DocBook and DITA authoring tools. With
Oxygen XML, which is the easiest I've tried, I created a sample
project and generated output within ten minutes. It took me somewhat
longer in XMetal but it wasn't hard.

FrameMaker 10 is by far the most opaque putative DocBook / DITA
authoring tool I've looked at. The help resources are all for
FrameMaker 7.x:

http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/?trackingid=ZLQL#xmldita

The Using the DocBook Starter Kit and Using the DocBook Starter Kit
guides are just a few pages of very abstract information. It
references the Structured FrameMaker Developer’s Guide, which I guess
has been supplanted by the "Structured Application Developer
Reference." Neither those docs nor the sample files bundled with
FrameMaker gave me any clue of how to create a project from scratch or
port an existing unstructured FrameMaker doc.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
>
> I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful that 
> ships with the product. There's a lot "out there" in blogs and wikis and 
> maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask, you're probably 
> out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have provided more than 
> just a reference to the docs.
>
> The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is really no 
> different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need to 
> understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless of the 
> tool.
>
> I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it.  :o
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:
>
> I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I’d heard that Adobe 
> added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help 
> people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and 
> no substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using DITA out 
> of the box with FrameMaker 10?
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Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Robert...

It's unfortunate that you headed down the "Structured Application" path 
.. that has nothing to do with creating a DITA project .. that's how you 
create the files that allow you to author in an XML model like DITA or 
DocBook, but the DITA structured application has already been created 
and is available for you to use. Those docs are "developer" docs not 
"user" docs.


As you found, none of the documentation available at the location you 
reference has anything to do with DITA or how you'd use it in FM10 (I 
have no idea why Adobe still provides the "DITA Starter Kit for FM 7.2" 
.. yikes, talk about misleading).


If you'd only been pointed in the right direction, you may have found 
that it is actually very easy to create and maintain DITA files in 
FrameMaker ..


File > New > DITA > 

Setting up a DITA "project" is really the same in Frame as it is in all 
other DITA authoring tools. You create some topics, you create a map, 
then you arrange those topics in the map. You do need to have a rough 
idea as to how to arrange the elements in the topics and maps, but 
that's the same in all tools. If you're familiar with FM's structured 
authoring UI, you'll be in good shape. If not, that's something to read 
up on.


There are lots of places to find info on the concepts behind DITA 
authoring .. those will all apply to Frame as well as other editors. It 
would be really nice though if Adobe provided a "Quick Start Guide for 
DITA in Frame". Oh well .. maybe for the next release!  :o


Cheers,

...scott


On 5/17/12 4:27 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I've evaluated a number of DocBook and DITA authoring tools. With
Oxygen XML, which is the easiest I've tried, I created a sample
project and generated output within ten minutes. It took me somewhat
longer in XMetal but it wasn't hard.

FrameMaker 10 is by far the most opaque putative DocBook / DITA
authoring tool I've looked at. The help resources are all for
FrameMaker 7.x:

http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/?trackingid=ZLQL#xmldita

The Using the DocBook Starter Kit and Using the DocBook Starter Kit
guides are just a few pages of very abstract information. It
references the Structured FrameMaker Developer’s Guide, which I guess
has been supplanted by the "Structured Application Developer
Reference." Neither those docs nor the sample files bundled with
FrameMaker gave me any clue of how to create a project from scratch or
port an existing unstructured FrameMaker doc.

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:

I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful that ships with 
the product. There's a lot "out there" in blogs and wikis and maillists .. but 
unless you know where to look or who to ask, you're probably out of luck. Yes .. posting 
to the FM forum should have provided more than just a reference to the docs.

The problem is that "creating a DITA project" in FrameMaker is really no 
different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need to understand the 
structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless of the tool.

I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it.  :o

...scott


On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote:

I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I’d heard that Adobe 
added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help 
people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and no 
substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using DITA out of the 
box with FrameMaker 10?
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