Re: FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

2012-12-06 Thread Robert Lauriston
There's no integration but it's easy to use and works fine.

I've found the TortoiseSVN client problematic. I recommend using
either the command-line client or the free version of SmartSVN.

Checking out files just creates local copies, it does not lock them as
in some other source control systems. With unstructured FM files,
since they can't be merged you should lock them in SVN if there's any
chance someone else might try to work on them at the same time. With
DITA source, you could go either way.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:03 AM,  etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I currently use FrameMaker to author DITA files. I currently work alone but
 will soon be joined by three other writers. For this reason I was planning
 on using SVN for source control (SVN is already used in the company for the
 application code).

 I was wondering how practical it is to use this pairing. Is there any
 integration between the new versions of FrameMaker and SVN? Or do I have to
 check out the files in a separate SVN client before opening the files in
 FrameMaker?
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RE: Recent Book on FrameMaker Structured Publishing

2012-12-06 Thread Graham, Jasmine S
For what it's worth, a quick look at Amazon shows some copies of this book 
still available The interface may have changed, but I expect most of the 
structured principles haven't.

FrameMaker(R) 7: The Complete Reference, by Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring

http://www.amazon.com/FrameMaker-Complete-Reference-Sarah-OKeefe/dp/0072223618/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8qid=1354737410sr=8-10keywords=Structured+FrameMaker

I am using FM 8 (structured) and may upgrade someday but I'll keep this 
book until it's pried from my cold dead hands. :-)
Best FrameMaker book I've ever owned (and I have their unstructured Frame 8 
book also).

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My bad. Is the most recent book on structured publishing with FrameMaker 
actually Structured Publishing from the Desktop: Frame Technology's 
Framemaker, published in 1992?

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
 Robert Lauriston wrote:
 Ready, shoot, aim!

 Scriptorium's updating their book for FM11 but they're not done yet.

 http://www.scriptorium.com/books/unstructured-framemaker-11/

 Good!

 I'd also love to see their _unreleased_ Structured FrameMaker 8 ... ideally 
 updated for FrameMaker 11, but I'd settle for the older version too!

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Re: Recent Book on FrameMaker Structured Publishing

2012-12-06 Thread Robert Lauriston
That was the Sarah O'Keefe book I was thinking of when I mistakenly
posted the link to Unstructured Framemaker 11.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Graham, Jasmine S
yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com wrote:
 For what it's worth, a quick look at Amazon shows some copies of this book 
 still available The interface may have changed, but I expect most of the 
 structured principles haven't.

 FrameMaker(R) 7: The Complete Reference, by Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring

 http://www.amazon.com/FrameMaker-Complete-Reference-Sarah-OKeefe/dp/0072223618/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8qid=1354737410sr=8-10keywords=Structured+FrameMaker

 I am using FM 8 (structured) and may upgrade someday but I'll keep this 
 book until it's pried from my cold dead hands. :-)
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Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
to my surprise, it seems that it is not possible to make columns conditional, 
only rows. Is this correct? it's stymied a Cunning Plan I had. Partially.

FrameMaker 7.0p577 on Mac.

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ANN: Have you heard of TC Camp?

2012-12-06 Thread Scott Prentice

[Please excuse the cross-posting...]

Hi...

I just wanted to put in a plug for an upcoming techcomm un-conference 
in Sunnyvale, CA on Saturday, January 26, 2013. The unconference is 
FREE, and you can optionally attend a 2-hour workshop for $30 (there are 
9 to choose from).


Overall schedule and info: http://www.tccamp.org/2012/08/tccamp-2013jan/

Workshops: http://www.tccamp.org/2012/10/schedule/

I've been invited to lead one of the workshops .. PDFs from DITA 
without Compromising Quality and Control. More about me and the workshop ..


http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=16b34726f8f88f1a2c7e5a7dcid=8c23962b29

There are lots of interesting workshops, and the overall conference 
looks to be a lot of fun. I hope to see you there!


Cheers,

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RE: Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Lief Erickson
Sadly, it's true.

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Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:26 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional columns in tables

to my surprise, it seems that it is not possible to make columns conditional, 
only rows. Is this correct? it's stymied a Cunning Plan I had. Partially.

FrameMaker 7.0p577 on Mac.

-- 
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RE: Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 17:41 + 6/12/12, Lief Erickson wrote:

Sadly, it's true.

Bummer. Still, Cunning Plan still possible: move column that was to be 
conditional to far right of table, run it into margin and set text to a 
non-printing colour.

(I needed invisible markers in a huge table of references.)

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Re: Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Lin Sims
Yep. Ran into this a couple of days ago. I've since made two tables,
one with the column and one without, and conditionaled the appearance.
A nuisance, but workable.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lief Erickson
l...@networkinstruments.com wrote:
 Sadly, it's true.

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
 Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:26 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Conditional columns in tables

 to my surprise, it seems that it is not possible to make columns conditional, 
 only rows. Is this correct? it's stymied a Cunning Plan I had. Partially.

 FrameMaker 7.0p577 on Mac.

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RE: Recent Book on FrameMaker Structured Publishing

2012-12-06 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
 That was the Sarah O'Keefe book I was thinking of when I mistakenly posted 
 the link to Unstructured Framemaker 11.

Okay, but I appreciate that link post too! :) Gave me information about 
something to look forward to ... so, thanks much for it!

Z

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Re: FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Johnson
I've worked with many people in three jobs, writers and engineers
alike ... myself included ... who use TortoiseSVN without issues.
Except for the fact that, because it's a Windows Explorer plug-in, it
has the same refresh issues as Explorer has. Typical example is you'll
do a commit (aka check-in) and the icons SVN puts next to files and
folders don't change; they still look like they need to be committed.
The solution is to do another commit and make sure everything got
checked in.

Unless you prefer the command line or need to script it start off with
TortoiseSVN and move away from it if you have issues.

The other thing to consider is what most other people in your company
use. If you're the only one using command line you won't get any
support from people in your company.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
 There's no integration but it's easy to use and works fine.

 I've found the TortoiseSVN client problematic. I recommend using
 either the command-line client or the free version of SmartSVN.

 Checking out files just creates local copies, it does not lock them as
 in some other source control systems. With unstructured FM files,
 since they can't be merged you should lock them in SVN if there's any
 chance someone else might try to work on them at the same time. With
 DITA source, you could go either way.

 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:03 AM,  etudsb...@cpaglobal.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I currently use FrameMaker to author DITA files. I currently work alone but
 will soon be joined by three other writers. For this reason I was planning
 on using SVN for source control (SVN is already used in the company for the
 application code).

 I was wondering how practical it is to use this pairing. Is there any
 integration between the new versions of FrameMaker and SVN? Or do I have to
 check out the files in a separate SVN client before opening the files in
 FrameMaker?
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Re: FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

2012-12-06 Thread Robert Lauriston
My problem with TortoiseSVN was that my local files would be out of
sync with the repository despite repeated commits.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've worked with many people in three jobs, writers and engineers
 alike ... myself included ... who use TortoiseSVN without issues.
 Except for the fact that, because it's a Windows Explorer plug-in, it
 has the same refresh issues as Explorer has. Typical example is you'll
 do a commit (aka check-in) and the icons SVN puts next to files and
 folders don't change; they still look like they need to be committed.
 The solution is to do another commit and make sure everything got
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RE: Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Bethany Lee
I love Cunning Plans. Especially those so cunning they need to be capitalized. 
Hate when Cunning Plans become cunning plans because of FrameMaker (or any 
other software).

Just was laughing at this. Thought it quite funny. :-)

Bethany


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Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:03 PM
To: Lief Erickson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional columns in tables

At 17:41 + 6/12/12, Lief Erickson wrote:

Sadly, it's true.

Bummer. Still, Cunning Plan still possible: move column that was to be 
conditional to far right of table, run it into margin and set text to a 
non-printing colour.

(I needed invisible markers in a huge table of references.)

-- 
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RE: FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

2012-12-06 Thread Lief Erickson
I've also used TortoiseSVN for years without any issues. The local files 
wouldn't be out of sync with the repository unless unversioned files that had 
been created (but not added to SVN) were not committed (i.e., you have local 
files the repository doesn't know about) or you had failed to update from the 
repository (the repository has files [or versions of files] your local system 
doesn't). I've never had issues with local files not getting committed to the 
repository; and that includes working in the same building as the repository as 
well as connecting through a VPN from thousands of miles away.

To Steve's point about the icons being out of sync, I have seen this from time 
to time. Rather than doing a commit, one could do a SVN Cleanup where you 
refresh the shell overlay icons.

-Lief

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:31 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

My problem with TortoiseSVN was that my local files would be out of sync with 
the repository despite repeated commits.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've worked with many people in three jobs, writers and engineers 
 alike ... myself included ... who use TortoiseSVN without issues.
 Except for the fact that, because it's a Windows Explorer plug-in, it 
 has the same refresh issues as Explorer has. Typical example is you'll 
 do a commit (aka check-in) and the icons SVN puts next to files and 
 folders don't change; they still look like they need to be committed.
 The solution is to do another commit and make sure everything got 
 checked in. ...
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Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
to my surprise, it seems that it is not possible to make columns conditional, 
only rows. Is this correct? it's stymied a Cunning Plan I had. Partially.

FrameMaker 7.0p577 on Mac.

-- 
Steve


ANN: Have you heard of TC Camp?

2012-12-06 Thread Scott Prentice
[Please excuse the cross-posting...]

Hi...

I just wanted to put in a plug for an upcoming techcomm "un-conference" 
in Sunnyvale, CA on Saturday, January 26, 2013. The unconference is 
FREE, and you can optionally attend a 2-hour workshop for $30 (there are 
9 to choose from).

Overall schedule and info: http://www.tccamp.org/2012/08/tccamp-2013jan/

Workshops: http://www.tccamp.org/2012/10/schedule/

I've been invited to lead one of the workshops .. "PDFs from DITA 
without Compromising Quality and Control." More about me and the workshop ..

http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=16b34726f8f88f1a2c7e5a7dc=8c23962b29

There are lots of interesting workshops, and the overall conference 
looks to be a lot of fun. I hope to see you there!

Cheers,

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Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Lief Erickson
Sadly, it's true.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:26 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional columns in tables

to my surprise, it seems that it is not possible to make columns conditional, 
only rows. Is this correct? it's stymied a Cunning Plan I had. Partially.

FrameMaker 7.0p577 on Mac.

-- 
Steve




Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 17:41 + 6/12/12, Lief Erickson wrote:

>Sadly, it's true.

Bummer. Still, Cunning Plan still possible: move column that was to be 
conditional to far right of table, run it into margin and set text to a 
non-printing colour.

(I needed invisible markers in a huge table of references.)

-- 
Steve


Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Lin Sims
Yep. Ran into this a couple of days ago. I've since made two tables,
one with the column and one without, and conditionaled the appearance.
A nuisance, but workable.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Lief Erickson
 wrote:
> Sadly, it's true.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 11:26 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Conditional columns in tables
>
> to my surprise, it seems that it is not possible to make columns conditional, 
> only rows. Is this correct? it's stymied a Cunning Plan I had. Partially.
>
> FrameMaker 7.0p577 on Mac.
>
> --
> Steve
>
>
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Recent Book on FrameMaker Structured Publishing

2012-12-06 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> That was the Sarah O'Keefe book I was thinking of when I mistakenly posted 
> the link to Unstructured Framemaker 11.

Okay, but I appreciate that link post too! :) Gave me information about 
something to look forward to ... so, thanks much for it!

Z



FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Johnson
I've worked with many people in three jobs, writers and engineers
alike ... myself included ... who use TortoiseSVN without issues.
Except for the fact that, because it's a Windows Explorer plug-in, it
has the same refresh issues as Explorer has. Typical example is you'll
do a commit (aka check-in) and the icons SVN puts next to files and
folders don't change; they still look like they need to be committed.
The solution is to do another commit and make sure everything got
checked in.

Unless you prefer the command line or need to script it start off with
TortoiseSVN and move away from it if you have issues.

The other thing to consider is what most other people in your company
use. If you're the only one using command line you won't get any
support from people in your company.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:
> There's no integration but it's easy to use and works fine.
>
> I've found the TortoiseSVN client problematic. I recommend using
> either the command-line client or the free version of SmartSVN.
>
> Checking out files just creates local copies, it does not lock them as
> in some other source control systems. With unstructured FM files,
> since they can't be merged you should lock them in SVN if there's any
> chance someone else might try to work on them at the same time. With
> DITA source, you could go either way.
>
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:03 AM,   wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I currently use FrameMaker to author DITA files. I currently work alone but
>> will soon be joined by three other writers. For this reason I was planning
>> on using SVN for source control (SVN is already used in the company for the
>> application code).
>>
>> I was wondering how practical it is to use this pairing. Is there any
>> integration between the new versions of FrameMaker and SVN? Or do I have to
>> check out the files in a separate SVN client before opening the files in
>> FrameMaker?
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FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

2012-12-06 Thread Robert Lauriston
My problem with TortoiseSVN was that my local files would be out of
sync with the repository despite repeated commits.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Steve Johnson  wrote:
> I've worked with many people in three jobs, writers and engineers
> alike ... myself included ... who use TortoiseSVN without issues.
> Except for the fact that, because it's a Windows Explorer plug-in, it
> has the same refresh issues as Explorer has. Typical example is you'll
> do a commit (aka check-in) and the icons SVN puts next to files and
> folders don't change; they still look like they need to be committed.
> The solution is to do another commit and make sure everything got
> checked in. ...


Conditional columns in tables

2012-12-06 Thread Bethany Lee
I love Cunning Plans. Especially those so cunning they need to be capitalized. 
Hate when Cunning Plans become cunning plans because of FrameMaker (or any 
other software).

Just was laughing at this. Thought it quite funny. :-)

Bethany


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 1:03 PM
To: Lief Erickson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional columns in tables

At 17:41 + 6/12/12, Lief Erickson wrote:

>Sadly, it's true.

Bummer. Still, Cunning Plan still possible: move column that was to be 
conditional to far right of table, run it into margin and set text to a 
non-printing colour.

(I needed invisible markers in a huge table of references.)

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FrameMaker (dita) and SVN

2012-12-06 Thread Steve Johnson
That was not an issue for me. IMHO it's important at least for
starting out that you use whatever people around you can support you
on. You don't want to be the only TortoiseSVN user, the only command
line user, or what have you. After you learn that you can consider
testing another tool.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:
> My problem with TortoiseSVN was that my local files would be out of
> sync with the repository despite repeated commits.
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Steve Johnson  wrote:
>> I've worked with many people in three jobs, writers and engineers
>> alike ... myself included ... who use TortoiseSVN without issues.
>> Except for the fact that, because it's a Windows Explorer plug-in, it
>> has the same refresh issues as Explorer has. Typical example is you'll
>> do a commit (aka check-in) and the icons SVN puts next to files and
>> folders don't change; they still look like they need to be committed.
>> The solution is to do another commit and make sure everything got
>> checked in. ...
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