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Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

2013-05-20 Thread Robert Lauriston

Well, yes, that was the problem. Two UI objects have the same name but
one is a subset of the other. Why would I expect that? Why does the
default workspace show some of the crappy ones instead of all of the
more capable ones? Why don't the limited ones have buttons that expand
them into the more capable ones?

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command when
> in fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to definition or
> editing of an object does another.
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RE: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

2013-05-20 Thread Craig Ede

I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command when in 
fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to definition or editing 
of an object does another.

 

I think I sent you a link long ago to a video by Adobe about using of the new 
interface. You seemed unimpressed by that. Maybe that didn't cover this pod 
thing.

 

Craig
 

> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: 
> OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription
> From: rob...@lauriston.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Wow. The same command on two different menus brings up different UIs
> for the same feature? I guess I'll have to try all of the entries on
> the Pods menu to see what else I've missed.
> 
> Does that mean the old UI for applying conditional text is still
> around somewhere? I found that much more efficient.
> 
> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> > This is definitely in FM10. The difference is that this view is brought up 
> > by choosing View > Pods > Cross Reference or View > Pods > Markers (etc.). 
> > The old way is through Special > Cross Reference or Special > Marker 
> > (etc.), which gives you something completely different. This pod appears 
> > across the bottom of the screen by default.
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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Given their recent punting of the multi-year license maintenance program for 
FrameMaker, I think you are very right.

Z

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Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View 
of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. 
If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next.

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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Given their recent punting of the multi-year license maintenance program for 
FrameMaker, I think you are very right.

Z

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Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View 
of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. 
If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next.

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PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

2013-05-20 Thread Shlomo Perets

[Unless I am missing something.]



FrameMaker has the bundled/integrated "PDF Creation Add-on" (=headless
Distiller). So even if one does not have Acrobat installed, creation of PDFs
from within FrameMaker, with full support for interactive features / pdfmark
processing etc. is available (no less than the creation support available
with Distiller in the full version of Acrobat). [BTW I know of a few
TimeSavers users who installed TimeSavers/Assistants in conjunction with the
PDF Creation Add-on].



So the discussion should really be as to alternatives for Acrobat in case
one need to edit/modify PDFs, and not on creation of PDFs authored with
FrameMaker.





Shlomo Perets



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Hi everyone,

A while ago, we had this discussion about replacements for Acrobat, from a
FrameMaker perspective. Seemed like not much was available. At the time,
Rick mentioned that any replacement would need to provide support for
PDFmarks PostScript code (if I have that correct). So I wrote off to various
vendors. Most had either never heard of this or do not support it. But one
vendor, PDFill (see below), sent back this link to look at:

http://www.pdfill.com/pdf_batch_command.html#9 

Rick (and others :), I don't know enough to know whether this information
has any connection at all with PDFmarks PostScript code. Would you (anyone
with the expertise) be willing to take a look ... it's quite brief, I think.



Thank you kindly,

Elchanan



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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-20 Thread Karen Robbins

Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, *Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe’s
View of the Future,* (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some
excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker
could be next.

--Karen
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-20 Thread Karen Robbins

Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, *Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe?s
View of the Future,* (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some
excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker
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pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

2013-05-20 Thread Craig Ede

I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command when in 
fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to definition or editing 
of an object does another.



I think I sent you a link long ago to a video by Adobe about using of the new 
interface. You seemed unimpressed by that. Maybe that didn't cover this pod 
thing.



Craig


> Date: Sat, 18 May 2013 17:36:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: 
> OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription
> From: robert at lauriston.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Wow. The same command on two different menus brings up different UIs
> for the same feature? I guess I'll have to try all of the entries on
> the Pods menu to see what else I've missed.
> 
> Does that mean the old UI for applying conditional text is still
> around somewhere? I found that much more efficient.
> 
> On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> > This is definitely in FM10. The difference is that this view is brought up 
> > by choosing View > Pods > Cross Reference or View > Pods > Markers (etc.). 
> > The old way is through Special > Cross Reference or Special > Marker 
> > (etc.), which gives you something completely different. This pod appears 
> > across the bottom of the screen by default.
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PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

2013-05-20 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Shlomo,



Yes, that's true. I apologize for looking beyond the obvious. Thanks for
your insight.



Rick



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Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???



[Unless I am missing something.]



FrameMaker has the bundled/integrated "PDF Creation Add-on" (=headless
Distiller). So even if one does not have Acrobat installed, creation of PDFs
from within FrameMaker, with full support for interactive features / pdfmark
processing etc. is available (no less than the creation support available
with Distiller in the full version of Acrobat). [BTW I know of a few
TimeSavers users who installed TimeSavers/Assistants in conjunction with the
PDF Creation Add-on].



So the discussion should really be as to alternatives for Acrobat in case
one need to edit/modify PDFs, and not on creation of PDFs authored with
FrameMaker.





Shlomo Perets



MicroType, http:// microtype.com <http://%20microtype.com>  

FrameMaker/Acrobat/Captivate training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat
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Hi everyone,

A while ago, we had this discussion about replacements for Acrobat, from a
FrameMaker perspective. Seemed like not much was available. At the time,
Rick mentioned that any replacement would need to provide support for
PDFmarks PostScript code (if I have that correct). So I wrote off to various
vendors. Most had either never heard of this or do not support it. But one
vendor, PDFill (see below), sent back this link to look at:

http://www.pdfill.com/pdf_batch_command.html#9 

Rick (and others :), I don't know enough to know whether this information
has any connection at all with PDFmarks PostScript code. Would you (anyone
with the expertise) be willing to take a look ... it's quite brief, I think.



Thank you kindly,

Elchanan



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pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

2013-05-20 Thread Robert Lauriston

Well, yes, that was the problem. Two UI objects have the same name but
one is a subset of the other. Why would I expect that? Why does the
default workspace show some of the crappy ones instead of all of the
more capable ones? Why don't the limited ones have buttons that expand
them into the more capable ones?

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Craig Ede  wrote:
> I expect the problem is that you expected this to be the same command when
> in fact pods for objects do one thing and direct access to definition or
> editing of an object does another.

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

2013-05-20 Thread Lin Sims

I'm working on FM10, and those pods exist. Use them every day, and I love
them.

On the menu bar, click View > Pods and then choose Insets,
Cross-References, Conditional Text, Variables, and Markers.

Lin

On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

> Are you sure those features are FM10? That's what I use and I've never
> seen those.
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Alexandra Duffy  vectorworks.net>wrote:
>
>>  This is what is great, (to me, anyway) ?
>>
>> [pasted two graphics which won?t come through to the list]
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You can sort through markers, click on them to go to the destination, and
>> view unresolved cross-references quickly. You can see external
>> cross-references and know where they link. This was in FM10 as well, but
>> people were saying they don?t want to upgrade from FM8.
>>
>
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PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

2013-05-20 Thread Rick Quatro

/index.jsp?pid=prod4100140

   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.



- Nitro Pro ($119.99)

<http://www.nitropdf.com> www.nitropdf.com

   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.



- Nuance PDF Converter Pro ($99.99)



- Jaws PDF Creator ($64)

<http://www.jawspdf.com/products.html> www.jawspdf.com/products.html

   Creates bookmarks and links from Word, but does not support

   Windows 7; probably not Windows 8 either.



Regards,

Shmuel Wolfson

Technical Writer

052-763-7133



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RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

2013-05-20 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Shlomo,

 

Yes, that's true. I apologize for looking beyond the obvious. Thanks for
your insight.

 

Rick

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 8:06 AM
To: 'VLM TechSubs'
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

 

[Unless I am missing something.]

 

FrameMaker has the bundled/integrated "PDF Creation Add-on" (=headless
Distiller). So even if one does not have Acrobat installed, creation of PDFs
from within FrameMaker, with full support for interactive features / pdfmark
processing etc. is available (no less than the creation support available
with Distiller in the full version of Acrobat). [BTW I know of a few
TimeSavers users who installed TimeSavers/Assistants in conjunction with the
PDF Creation Add-on].

 

So the discussion should really be as to alternatives for Acrobat in case
one need to edit/modify PDFs, and not on creation of PDFs authored with
FrameMaker.

 

 

Shlomo Perets

 

MicroType, http:// microtype.com   

FrameMaker/Acrobat/Captivate training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat
TimeSavers/Assistants

 

Enable and encourage user input in PDFs (viewed with Adobe Reader) 
Half-hour webinar (free; no fluff, no hype, no nonsense), June 5, starting
9am PDT
https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/157658438

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

 

Hi everyone,

A while ago, we had this discussion about replacements for Acrobat, from a
FrameMaker perspective. Seemed like not much was available. At the time,
Rick mentioned that any replacement would need to provide support for
PDFmarks PostScript code (if I have that correct). So I wrote off to various
vendors. Most had either never heard of this or do not support it. But one
vendor, PDFill (see below), sent back this link to look at:

http://www.pdfill.com/pdf_batch_command.html#9 

Rick (and others :), I don't know enough to know whether this information
has any connection at all with PDFmarks PostScript code. Would you (anyone
with the expertise) be willing to take a look ... it's quite brief, I think.

 

Thank you kindly,

Elchanan

 

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RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

2013-05-20 Thread Shlomo Perets

[Unless I am missing something.]

 

FrameMaker has the bundled/integrated "PDF Creation Add-on" (=headless
Distiller). So even if one does not have Acrobat installed, creation of PDFs
from within FrameMaker, with full support for interactive features / pdfmark
processing etc. is available (no less than the creation support available
with Distiller in the full version of Acrobat). [BTW I know of a few
TimeSavers users who installed TimeSavers/Assistants in conjunction with the
PDF Creation Add-on].

 

So the discussion should really be as to alternatives for Acrobat in case
one need to edit/modify PDFs, and not on creation of PDFs authored with
FrameMaker.

 

 

Shlomo Perets

 

MicroType, http:// microtype.com   

FrameMaker/Acrobat/Captivate training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat
TimeSavers/Assistants

 

Enable and encourage user input in PDFs (viewed with Adobe Reader) 
Half-hour webinar (free; no fluff, no hype, no nonsense), June 5, starting
9am PDT
https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/157658438

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

 

Hi everyone,

A while ago, we had this discussion about replacements for Acrobat, from a
FrameMaker perspective. Seemed like not much was available. At the time,
Rick mentioned that any replacement would need to provide support for
PDFmarks PostScript code (if I have that correct). So I wrote off to various
vendors. Most had either never heard of this or do not support it. But one
vendor, PDFill (see below), sent back this link to look at:

http://www.pdfill.com/pdf_batch_command.html#9 

Rick (and others :), I don't know enough to know whether this information
has any connection at all with PDFmarks PostScript code. Would you (anyone
with the expertise) be willing to take a look ... it's quite brief, I think.

 

Thank you kindly,

Elchanan

 

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RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

2013-05-20 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Elchanan,

 

PDFill is a PDF editor, not a PDF creator. The pdfmark issue is with PDF
creators. They need to read the pdfmark code that FrameMaker embeds in the
PostScript stream to create bookmarks, links, etc. as the PDF file is
created. They do have a free PDF Writer, but it is not clear if it supports
pdfmark. But it would easy enough to try it. Use it to make a PDF from a
FrameMaker document and see if you get bookmarks, links from your xrefs,
etc.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 1:34 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

 

Hi everyone,

A while ago, we had this discussion about replacements for Acrobat, from a
FrameMaker perspective. Seemed like not much was available. At the time,
Rick mentioned that any replacement would need to provide support for
PDFmarks PostScript code (if I have that correct). So I wrote off to various
vendors. Most had either never heard of this or do not support it. But one
vendor, PDFill (see below), sent back this link to look at:

http://www.pdfill.com/pdf_batch_command.html#9 

Rick (and others :), I don't know enough to know whether this information
has any connection at all with PDFmarks PostScript code. Would you (anyone
with the expertise) be willing to take a look ... it's quite brief, I think.

 

Thank you kindly,

Elchanan

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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:27 PM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

 

There is also PDFill PDF Editor,

https://www.pdfill.com/pdf_tools_free.html. 

Elchanan

 

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Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

 

What about PDF Creator,  
http://www.pdfforge.org/?  

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 4:20 PM

To: Shmuel Wolfson;  
framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

 

Thanks for the list! It will help me during my evaluations soon. An addition
to your list:

 

"easyPDF" from BCL Technologies ($29.95)

http://www.pdfonline.com/easypdf/pdf-printer/

 

And I think, but not sure, that Pdf995 costs ($9.95) to get "without a
sponsor page" ... all their tools cost this, hence the "995" in the name. :)
Their "PdfEdit995" and "PdfSignature995" products adds the capability to add
combine/extract pages, encryption, etc.

 

Z

 

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mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:41 AM

To:   framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Re: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat {WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

 

I apologize if this is off topic, but here is a list of Acrobat
alternatives. (Please feel free to send me corrections or updates.)

 

Free:

 

- A free plug-in is available for Word 2007; comes with 2010

 

- Bullzip PDF Printer

 

- PDF995

 

- PrimoPDF

 

- CutePDF


www.acrosoftware.com/Products/CutePDF/Printer.asp

 

- Create PS file using any PS printer, then use GSview to convert to

   PDF (GSview requires GhostScript, also free)

 

Not Free (prices are as of Sep 27, 2012):

 

- PDF Fusion ($49.99)


www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4100140

   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.

 

- Nitro Pro ($119.99)

 www.nitropdf.com

   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.

 

- Nuance PDF Converter Pro ($99

Re: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

RE: pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

pod for displaying and sorting lists of markers, xrefs etc. WAS: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat ... PDFill Editor ???

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