Acrobat moves callouts in anchored frames

[Daniel Salter]

I am working on a FrameMaker 7 (Win 8) document with callouts in anchored 
frames set up so that they can be dragged into precise position alongside text 
in the main flow. 

Seems kind of old school, but it works beautifully for this document -- except 
that Acrobat arbitrarily shifts all the callouts a half inch to the left. 

I am sure there must be a better solution than manually repositioning each 
callout in FM (to a spot where it doesn't belong), and then checking to see if 
it came out OK in the PDF...

Seem to recall encountering and finding a solution to the same issue a few ages 
ago, but haven't been able to recall or dig up the fix anywhere. 

Any hints much appreciated. 

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Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[Ken Poshedly]

So right. So darn right! The solution is, in fact, the problem.





>
> From: Corinne Kenney 
>To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:25 PM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
> 
>
>
>You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend to 
>give this reply:
> 
>The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
>The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.
> 
>Corinne Kenney
>Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
>Raytheon Company
>
>
>From: Ken Poshedly 
>To: Alastair Dent ; Maxwell Hoffmann 
>; Shmuel Wolfson ; Theresa de Valence 
> 
>Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>
>
>It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
>only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
>Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
>things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
>that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to 
>be there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Alastair Dent 
>>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson 
>>; Theresa de Valence  
>>Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>
>>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>>
>>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
>>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>>heading.
>>
>>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>>paragraph styles in one step:
>>
>>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>>Designers
>>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the 
>>paragraph style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font 
>>size)
>>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>>(5)
 FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs 
in selected area
>>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>>paragraphs in one step.
>>
>>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>>
>>
>>
>>Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
>>503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -  
>>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
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>>
>>-Original
 Message-
>>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>>To: Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>Here's a nice solution for that:
>>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>>
>>
>>
>>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>>> I have a lot
 of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>>> MS Word.
>>>
>>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>>
>>> Can this be done in Word?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Theresa
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> -Original Message-
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> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
> To: Theresa de Valence
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
> Here's a nice solution for that:
> http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>
>
>
> On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
> > Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ...
> > I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with
> > MS Word.
> >
> > In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
> >
> > Can this be done in Word?
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Acrobat moves callouts in anchored frames

[Daniel Salter]

I am working on a FrameMaker 7 (Win 8) document with callouts in anchored 
frames set up so that they can be dragged into precise position alongside text 
in the main flow. 

Seems kind of old school, but it works beautifully for this document -- except 
that Acrobat arbitrarily shifts all the callouts a half inch to the left. 

I am sure there must be a better solution than manually repositioning each 
callout in FM (to a spot where it doesn't belong), and then checking to see if 
it came out OK in the PDF...

Seem to recall encountering and finding a solution to the same issue a few ages 
ago, but haven't been able to recall or dig up the fix anywhere. 

Any hints much appreciated. 

Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[Jerilynne Knight]

Believe me I have said that as an instructor AND a user! As someone who
lost, multiple times (and, of course, right at the due date) 300 page
documents, I swore that if I ever had to do that kind of work in Word
again, I would charge at least 5 times the normal price!


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Alison Craig
wrote:

> I took a Single Sourcing class a few years ago (before I moved from Word
> to Frame). When I told the instructor I was writing 400+ page manuals in
> Word, she replied:
>
> ** **
>
> “Word is… (long pause), Word is… (another long pause). Word is for memos.”
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Alison
>
> ** **
>
> *Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead *
>
> Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 |
> analogicultrasound.com  
>
> *T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559** *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Corinne Kenney
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:26 AM
> *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
> ** **
>
> You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend
> to give this reply:
>
>  
>
> The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start
> typing.
>
> The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start
> typing.
>
>  
>
> Corinne Kenney
>
> Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
>
> Raytheon Company
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Ken Poshedly 
> *To:* Alastair Dent ; Maxwell Hoffmann <
> mhoff...@adobe.com>; Shmuel Wolfson ; Theresa de
> Valence 
> *Cc:* "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
> ** **
>
> It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for
> using only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't
> believe that Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in
> and "correct things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word",
> well, that was that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and
> I'm glad not to be there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused
> customers.)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Alastair Dent 
> *To:* Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson <
> shmue...@gmail.com>; Theresa de Valence 
> *Cc:* "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> *Sent:* Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>
> This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>
> Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading
> styles based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter
> the design as required for each style. If all your headings use the same
> font family, then it is possible to change the font family by altering the
> 'Heading Base' style. However, if one of your headings uses a different
> font family from 'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't
> cascade to that heading.
>
> The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
> Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
> To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>
> I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates
> that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple
> paragraph styles in one step:
>
> (1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
> (2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open
> Paragraph Designers
> (3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the
> paragraph style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably
> font size)
> (4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
> (5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to
> paragraphs in selected area
> (6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3
> paragraphs in one step.
>
> You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>
>
>
> Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |
> c. 503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann-
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
> Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars:
> http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
> To: Theresa de Valence
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
> Here's a nice solution for that:
> http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-

RE: Word and Frame comparisons

[Alison Craig]

I took a Single Sourcing class a few years ago (before I moved from Word to 
Frame). When I told the instructor I was writing 400+ page manuals in Word, she 
replied:

"Word is... (long pause), Word is... (another long pause). Word is for memos."

Alison

Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
analogicultrasound.com
T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corinne Kenney
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:26 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend to 
give this reply:

The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.

Corinne Kenney
Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
Raytheon Company

From: Ken Poshedly mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net>>
To: Alastair Dent mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>>; 
Maxwell Hoffmann mailto:mhoff...@adobe.com>>; Shmuel 
Wolfson mailto:shmue...@gmail.com>>; Theresa de Valence 
mailto:t...@bstw.com>>
Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)


From: Alastair Dent mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>>
To: Maxwell Hoffmann mailto:mhoff...@adobe.com>>; Shmuel 
Wolfson mailto:shmue...@gmail.com>>; Theresa de Valence 
mailto:t...@bstw.com>>
Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then 
it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. 
However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading 
Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

-Original Message-
From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that 
I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph 
styles in one step:

(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
paragraphs in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs 
in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.com 
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http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 
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http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J


-Original Message-
From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

Here's a nice solution for that:
http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/



On 17-Se

Word and Frame comparisons

[Alison Craig]

> [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of 
Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

Here's a nice solution for that:
http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/



On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ...
> I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with
> MS Word.
>
> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>
> Can this be done in Word?
>
> Thanks,
> Theresa
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Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[Writer]

Lock up templates. Restrict access to source files.

However, having said that, I'm reminded of this quote:

“You can’t make anything idiot proof because idiots are so ingenious.”

Nadine

>
> From: Corinne Kenney 
>To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:25:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
> 
>
>
>You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend to 
>give this reply:
> 
>The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
>The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.
> 
>Corinne Kenney
>Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
>Raytheon Company
>
>
>From: Ken Poshedly 
>To: Alastair Dent ; Maxwell Hoffmann 
>; Shmuel Wolfson ; Theresa de Valence 
> 
>Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>
>
>It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
>only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
>Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
>things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
>that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to 
>be there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Alastair Dent 
>>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson 
>>; Theresa de Valence  
>>Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>
>>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>>
>>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
>>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>>heading.
>>
>>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>>paragraph styles in one step:
>>
>>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>>Designers
>>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the 
>>paragraph style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font 
>>size)
>>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>>(5)
FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs 
in selected area
>>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>>paragraphs in one step.
>>
>>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>>
>>
>>
>>Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
>>503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann-  
>>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
>>Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI    Recorded webinars: 
>>http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
>>
>>
>>-Original
Message-
>>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>>To: Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>Here's a nice solution for that:
>>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>>
>>
>>
>>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>>> I have a lot
of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>>> MS Word.
>>>
>>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>>
>>> Can this be done in Word?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Theresa
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f experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>>> MS Word.
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>>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>>
>>> Can this be done in Word?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
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Word and Frame comparisons

[Writer]

Lock up templates. Restrict access to source files.

However, having said that, I'm reminded of this quote:

?You can?t make anything idiot proof because idiots are so ingenious.?

Nadine

>
> From: Corinne Kenney 
>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:25:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
> 
>
>
>You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend to 
>give this reply:
>?
>The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
>The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.
>?
>Corinne Kenney
>Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
>Raytheon Company
>
>
>From: Ken Poshedly 
>To: Alastair Dent ; Maxwell Hoffmann adobe.com>; Shmuel Wolfson ; Theresa de Valence at bstw.com> 
>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>
>
>It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
>only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
>Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
>things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
>that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to 
>be there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Alastair Dent 
>>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson >gmail.com>; Theresa de Valence  
>>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>
>>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>>
>>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.? Then you only alter the design 
>>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>>heading.
>>
>>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>>paragraph styles in one step:
>>
>>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>>Designers
>>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the 
>>paragraph style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font 
>>size)
>>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>>(5)
FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs 
in selected area
>>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>>paragraphs in one step.
>>
>>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>>
>>
>>
>>Maxwell Hoffmann |? Product? Evangelist? |? Adobe? |? p. 503.336.5952? |? c. 
>>503.805.3719? |? mhoffman at adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann-? 
>>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
>>Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI? ? Recorded webinars: 
>>http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
>>
>>
>>-Original
Message-
>>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>>To: Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>Here's a nice solution for that:
>>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>>
>>
>>
>>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>>> I have a lot
of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>>> MS Word.
>>>
>>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>>
>>> Can this be done in Word?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Theresa
>>___

Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[Corinne Kenney]

You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend to 
give this reply:
 
The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.
 
Corinne Kenney
Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
Raytheon Company



From: Ken Poshedly 
To: Alastair Dent ; Maxwell Hoffmann 
; Shmuel Wolfson ; Theresa de Valence 
 
Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons



It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)





>
>From: Alastair Dent 
>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson 
>; Theresa de Valence  
>Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>
>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>
>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>heading.
>
>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>paragraph styles in one step:
>
>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>Designers
>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
>style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
>paragraphs in selected area
>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>paragraphs in one step.
>
>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>
>
>
>Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
>503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -  
>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
>Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI    Recorded webinars: 
>http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>To: Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>Here's a nice solution for that:
>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>
>
>
>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>> I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>> MS Word.
>>
>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>
>> Can this be done in Word?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Theresa
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It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)





>
> From: Alastair Dent 
>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson 
>; Theresa de Valence  
>Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
> 
>
>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>
>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>heading.
>
>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>paragraph styles in one step:
>
>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>Designers
>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
>style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
>paragraphs in selected area
>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>paragraphs in one step.
>
>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>
>
>
>Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
>503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -  
>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann  blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
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>http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>To: Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>Here's a nice solution for that:
>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>
>
>
>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>> I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>> MS Word.
>>
>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>
>> Can this be done in Word?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Theresa
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[Ken Poshedly]

It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)





>
> From: Alastair Dent 
>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson gmail.com>; Theresa de Valence  
>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
> 
>
>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>
>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.? Then you only alter the design 
>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>heading.
>
>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>paragraph styles in one step:
>
>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>Designers
>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
>style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
>paragraphs in selected area
>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>paragraphs in one step.
>
>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>
>
>
>Maxwell Hoffmann |? Product? Evangelist? |? Adobe? |? p. 503.336.5952? |? c. 
>503.805.3719? |? mhoffman at adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -? 
>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann? blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
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>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>To: Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>Here's a nice solution for that:
>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>
>
>
>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>> I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>> MS Word.
>>
>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>
>> Can this be done in Word?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Theresa
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RE: Word and Frame comparisons

[Alastair Dent]

This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then 
it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. 
However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading 
Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that 
I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph 
styles in one step:

(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
paragraphs in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs 
in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

Here's a nice solution for that:
http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/



On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
> I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
> MS Word.
>
> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>
> Can this be done in Word?
>
> Thanks,
> Theresa
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