FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Fred Ridder]

Frank Stearns wrote:

> Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs 
> in marker handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have the 
> lastest version of FM8?

I don't have a specific recollection of any index bug in FM8, but I have only 
used FM8 at my current employer, who basically doesn't believe in spending time 
on indexes (we produce mostly API documentation and highly organized 
specification docs for SoC devices). At my previous employer, indexes were 
customary, but that was FM7 and I was relying on Frank's excellent IXgen to 
help me keep everything consistent.

But for the record, the last patch version of FM8 was p277, dating back to June 
2007. See 
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows 
for each of the three FM8 updates (which have to be installed sequentially 
since none is cumulative)

-Fred Ridder

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RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

One proverbial "more thing" ... In the mif file, there are actually two markers 
back to back, separated by the word "The ":


  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker
 
 
  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker

The first (3 levels) works, the second (two levels) fails. These are in the 
same document, on the same page, constructed in what
appears to me to be the same manner in every respect. 

Shall I unsheathe my sword, in case falling on it becomes appealing? :)

Well, not sure what to do next. 

Best to all, and many thanks,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:33 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Okay ...

I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved 
all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched
FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed 
everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything,
saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. 

Sigh ... (again)

So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for 
the source chapter, and it says:


  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker

which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something 
that I'm missing.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing 
to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager.
:)

Best to all,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no 
problem. Will write more in a bit. 
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Somet

FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

One proverbial "more thing" ... In the mif file, there are actually two markers 
back to back, separated by the word "The ":


  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker
 
 
  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker

The first (3 levels) works, the second (two levels) fails. These are in the 
same document, on the same page, constructed in what
appears to me to be the same manner in every respect. 

Shall I unsheathe my sword, in case falling on it becomes appealing? :)

Well, not sure what to do next. 

Best to all, and many thanks,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:33 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Okay ...

I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved 
all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched
FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed 
everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything,
saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. 

Sigh ... (again)

So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for 
the source chapter, and it says:


  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker

which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something 
that I'm missing.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing 
to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager.
:)

Best to all,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no 
problem. Will write more in a bit. 
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Somet

RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Yes Fred, thank you, that is correct. One of those two patches destroyed 
sorting in many parts of the product . paratags, chartags,
etc. I decided that I prefer sorting that makes sense to me. I suppose I could 
revisit that decision. 

Elchanan

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:01 PM
To: VLM TechSubs; 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

 

Elchanan wrote:

I have version 8.0p266, and no memory WRT FM8 indexing bugs. 

 

Then you only have the first of the three patches that were released for FM8. 
You are missing p273 (Feb 2008) and p277 (June 2008)

 

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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Yes Fred, thank you, that is correct. One of those two patches destroyed 
sorting in many parts of the product . paratags, chartags,
etc. I decided that I prefer sorting that makes sense to me. I suppose I could 
revisit that decision. 

Elchanan

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:01 PM
To: VLM TechSubs; 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax



Elchanan wrote:

I have version 8.0p266, and no memory WRT FM8 indexing bugs. 



Then you only have the first of the three patches that were released for FM8. 
You are missing p273 (Feb 2008) and p277 (June 2008)



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RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Fred Ridder]

Elchanan wrote:

I have version 8.0p266, and no memory WRT FM8 indexing bugs. 

Then you only have the first of the three patches that were released for FM8. 
You are missing p273 (Feb 2008) and p277 (June 2008)
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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[John Sgammato]

I am with Jeremy on this - I have seen some instances of screwy behavior
when index entries are combined in a marker. These days I always put a
single entry in any marker.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith  wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:20:05 -0700, "VLM TechSubs"
>  wrote:
>
> >Could there be a problem with
> >putting two separate entries of such construction
> >into a single index marker?
>
> Are they separated with a semicolon?  And no extra
> semis before or after?  That should work, but we
> consider keeping them one per marker, preferably
> with at least one char of real text between markers
> so you can see how many you have, to be best practice.
>
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RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Thanks Frank. See responses inline. 

 

-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:29 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: 'Frank Stearns'; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

 

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

 

> 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" 

> has this problem. It appears in the "correct" location alphabetically, 

> it just looks like

> 

>. . . . . . 1

> 

> 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I 

> put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in 

> FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or 

> the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine.

> 

> 3. I just did the following:

> 

> 3.1 Shut Frame.

> 3.2 Relaunched Frame.

> 3.3 Opened book file.

> 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
> through those.

> 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.

> 3.6 Generated ToC and index.

> 3.7 Saved all files in book.

> 3.8 Opened index.

 

> 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a 

> compound marker (2 entries in one marker).

 

> 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the 

> document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the 

> marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.

 

> 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, 

> then generate.

 

> 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page 

> #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new marker 

> I just created.

 

> 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in 

> place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, 

> same result.

 

> 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, 

> reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in 

> book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila!

> Same result as before.

> 

> Sigh ...

> 

> BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

> 

> Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've 

> forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.

 

I know there's a way to do that, but can't recall it. We've always used a 
programmer's plain text editor -- even notepad or wordpad
will work fine. Avoids trying to get Frame to play in a way it doesn't "want" 
to. :)

 

This is all pretty nutty, that's for sure.

 

A few more random thoughts...

 

1. The Word source still makes me cautious. If you highlight text to create a 
marker, or even were to use our IXgen tool to create
markers, there can still be those nasty non-printing characters that would be 
picked up from body text and transferred into a new
marker and cause problems.

Frank, you are correct, at least inasmuch as I've removed hundreds of 
nonprinting characters from these documents. But almost all
were at the end of paragraphs, so whenever I've placed a marker at EOP, I've 
carefully removed any nonprinting characters that may
have been present. 

 

1A. When you hand typed a marker, was the entry field completely clear? (Those 
non-printing chars can be insideous. Click next to
one in the body that you can't see and the marker dialog autofill might pick it 
up, and you'd never know it.

Most of the time, I typed it all in character by character. At times, I did 
begin with a highlighted word or two. But many markers
created in this way work fine, and some of the failing markers were definitely 
created by hand typing, from scratch. I suppose I
could take this entire document set out to a text editor, do something there 
(not sure quite what), then bring it all back into FM
and start from scratch. Ugh . but it's a possibility.

 

2. Forgot to verify the obvious: most of the markers are working correctly, and 
these are just isolated cases? Or, are you seeing
the same thing happen any time you have an entry with a second level and/or 
font change?

Yes, majority of markers appear to be working fine. It happens on single, 
double, and triple level entries. It happens with or
without a font change. 

 

3. Have you done a cold restart of your system? Shut it down completely, power 
supply switch OFF for a few minutes, then a reboot? 

I know, it's crazy, however

Cold restart, yes, long enough to go to the grocery. :) Could do it again I 
suppose. I agree, crazy and however. :)

 

4. In the IX file you generate, have you examined the reference pages that set 
up your entry formats? Are all the components there?
Have you examined the entry para formats for anything odd? If you move the 
cursor through the entries in the main flow, do you
notice if in the problem entries the para or char tag name suddenly becomes 
starred, indicating a deviation from the catalog
settings?



  _  

>From the reference page:

1, 2-3

Level4IOM

Level3IOM

Level2IOM

Symbo

FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

through the entries in the main flow, do you
notice if in the problem entries the para or char tag name suddenly becomes 
starred, indicating a deviation from the catalog
settings?



  _  

>From the reference page:

1, 2-3

Level4IOM

Level3IOM

Level2IOM

Symbols[\ ];Numerics[0];A;B;C;D;E;F;G;H;I;J;K;L;M;N;O;P;Q;R;S;T;U;V;W;X;Y;Z

<$symbols><$numerics><$alphabetics>

-_--

Level1IOM

openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId>

   <$pagenum>

  _  

Moving the cursor through the entire main flow shows no paratag or chartag 
anomalies. On the reference page, however, such anomalies
do appear. Could that mean something? I did find level 4 strange, as I did not 
intentionally create any 4-level entries. When I
looked, I found that I typed a comma instead of a semicolon in exactly one 
marker. So that problem was easy to fix, I just haven't
removed the extra line from the reference page. 



Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs in marker 
handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have
the lastest version of FM8?

I have version 8.0p266, and no memory WRT FM8 indexing bugs. 

Frank, do you have or know of any special diagnostic tool(s) I might use here?



Continued good luck with it!!



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RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Fred Ridder]

Frank Stearns wrote:

> Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs 
> in marker handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have the 
> lastest version of FM8?

I don't have a specific recollection of any index bug in FM8, but I have only 
used FM8 at my current employer, who basically doesn't believe in spending time 
on indexes (we produce mostly API documentation and highly organized 
specification docs for SoC devices). At my previous employer, indexes were 
customary, but that was FM7 and I was relying on Frank's excellent IXgen to 
help me keep everything consistent.

But for the record, the last patch version of FM8 was p277, dating back to June 
2007. See 
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows 
for each of the three FM8 updates (which have to be installed sequentially 
since none is cumulative)

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RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Okay ...

I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved 
all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched
FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed 
everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything,
saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. 

Sigh ... (again)

So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for 
the source chapter, and it says:


  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker

which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something 
that I'm missing.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing 
to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager.
:)

Best to all,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no 
problem. Will write more in a bit. 
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in 
the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to
#1,
above.)

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.

Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-1

FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Okay ...

I closed FM, reopened FM, saved every file in the book as mif, closed FM, moved 
all the .fm files to another directory, relaunched
FM, opened and saved the book and each file back as .fm, saved and closed 
everything, shut FM, relaunched FM, reopened everything,
saved everything, generated, and poof ... same result. 

Sigh ... (again)

So as Frank suggested, I traced one of the faulty markers into the mif file for 
the source chapter, and it says:


  
  
  
  
 > # end of Marker

which looks fine to me, but someone more knowledgeable might spot something 
that I'm missing.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated! And Frank, if you really are willing 
to look at the file, I'd be most grateful and eager.
:)

Best to all,
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:59 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no 
problem. Will write more in a bit. 
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in 
the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to
#1,
above.)

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.

Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-1

RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Frank Stearns]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" 
has this problem. It appears in the "correct" location 
alphabetically, it just looks like


   . . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I 
put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in 
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word 
or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine.


3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those.
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index.
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.


3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was 
a compound marker (2 entries in one marker).


3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the 
document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the 
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.


3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, 
then generate.


3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only 
page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new 
marker I just created.


3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in 
place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, 
same result.


3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, 
reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in 
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! 
Same result as before.


Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've 
forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.


I know there's a way to do that, but can't recall it. We've always 
used a programmer's plain text editor -- even notepad or wordpad will 
work fine. Avoids trying to get Frame to play in a way it doesn't 
"want" to. :)


This is all pretty nutty, that's for sure.

A few more random thoughts...

1. The Word source still makes me cautious. If you highlight text to 
create a marker, or even were to use our IXgen tool to create markers, 
there can still be those nasty non-printing characters that would be 
picked up from body text and transferred into a new marker and cause 
problems.


1A. When you hand typed a marker, was the entry field completely 
clear? (Those non-printing chars can be insideous. Click next to one 
in the body that you can't see and the marker dialog autofill might 
pick it up, and you'd never know it.


2. Forgot to verify the obvious: most of the markers are working 
correctly, and these are just isolated cases? Or, are you seeing the 
same thing happen any time you have an entry with a second level 
and/or font change?


3. Have you done a cold restart of your system? Shut it down 
completely, power supply switch OFF for a few minutes, then a reboot? 
I know, it's crazy, however


4. In the IX file you generate, have you examined the reference pages 
that set up your entry formats? Are all the components there? Have you 
examined the entry para formats for anything odd? If you move the 
cursor through the entries in the main flow, do you notice if in the 
problem entries the para or char tag name suddenly becomes starred, 
indicating a deviation from the catalog settings?


Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs 
in marker handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have the 
lastest version of FM8?


Continued good luck with it!!

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! ***
fra...@fsatools.com 
TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):  800-567-6421
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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Frank Stearns]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> 1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" 
> has this problem. It appears in the "correct" location 
> alphabetically, it just looks like
>
>. . . . . . 1
>
> 2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I 
> put in 100% of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in 
> FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word 
> or the like. FYI, the ToC works just fine.
>
> 3. I just did the following:
>
> 3.1 Shut Frame.
> 3.2 Relaunched Frame.
> 3.3 Opened book file.
> 3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
> through those.
> 3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
> 3.6 Generated ToC and index.
> 3.7 Saved all files in book.
> 3.8 Opened index.

> 3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was 
> a compound marker (2 entries in one marker).

> 3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the 
> document a few words away, and manually typed in the text for the 
> marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.

> 3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, 
> then generate.

> 3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only 
> page #, and when I jump from that page number it takes me to the new 
> marker I just created.

> 3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in 
> place, delete it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole process, 
> same result.

> 3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, 
> reopened from mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in 
> book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! 
> Same result as before.
>
> Sigh ...
>
> BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)
>
> Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've 
> forgotten how to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.

I know there's a way to do that, but can't recall it. We've always 
used a programmer's plain text editor -- even notepad or wordpad will 
work fine. Avoids trying to get Frame to play in a way it doesn't 
"want" to. :)

This is all pretty nutty, that's for sure.

A few more random thoughts...

1. The Word source still makes me cautious. If you highlight text to 
create a marker, or even were to use our IXgen tool to create markers, 
there can still be those nasty non-printing characters that would be 
picked up from body text and transferred into a new marker and cause 
problems.

1A. When you hand typed a marker, was the entry field completely 
clear? (Those non-printing chars can be insideous. Click next to one 
in the body that you can't see and the marker dialog autofill might 
pick it up, and you'd never know it.

2. Forgot to verify the obvious: most of the markers are working 
correctly, and these are just isolated cases? Or, are you seeing the 
same thing happen any time you have an entry with a second level 
and/or font change?

3. Have you done a cold restart of your system? Shut it down 
completely, power supply switch OFF for a few minutes, then a reboot? 
I know, it's crazy, however

4. In the IX file you generate, have you examined the reference pages 
that set up your entry formats? Are all the components there? Have you 
examined the entry para formats for anything odd? If you move the 
cursor through the entries in the main flow, do you notice if in the 
problem entries the para or char tag name suddenly becomes starred, 
indicating a deviation from the catalog settings?

Finally, I have a very fuzzy memory that FM8 had introduced some bugs 
in marker handling... Anyone else remember this? Do you have the 
lastest version of FM8?

Continued good luck with it!!

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! ***
franks at fsatools.com 
TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):  800-567-6421
USA Voice: 435-275-8981  http://www.fsatools.com

Script to replace conrefs in DITA topics

[Scott Turner]

I would simply use a competent text editor, like Oxygen XML editor. 

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:42, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> Hi group
> 
> Suppose you have a bunch of topics in a DITA map or in a folder in which you 
> want to replace specific conrefs with an element with text. For example:
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> XYZ
> 
> and 
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> ABC
> 
> I guess this can be automated with a Framescript or Extendscript which does 
> the following:
> 
> 1. Collect all the conrefs in a DITA map or a folder.
> 2. Present the conrefs in some kind of list, for example a column in an Excel 
> spreadsheet. 
> 3. In the second column, the user could then enter the text and elements 
> which need to replace the conref, for example:
> 
> cell A1 (find):  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_kqg_drd_f3"/>
> cell B1 (replace with): XYZ
> cell A2:  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_drf_tvd_f7"/>
> cell B2: ABC
> 
> 4. Apply this search/replace list to all topics in a given DITA map or folder.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu
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RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no 
problem. Will write more in a bit. 
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in 
the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to
#1,
above.)

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.

Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! *** fra...@fsatools.com 
 TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):
800-567-6421 USA Voice: 435-275-8981  http://www.fsatools.com

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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Oh, I don't know what I was thinking. I've got a mif file open in Notepad++, no 
problem. Will write more in a bit. 
Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:43 PM
To: 'Frank Stearns'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in 
the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to
#1,
above.)

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.

Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:20:05 -0700, "VLM TechSubs" 
 wrote:

>Could there be a problem with
>putting two separate entries of such construction 
>into a single index marker?

Are they separated with a semicolon?  And no extra 
semis before or after?  That should work, but we 
consider keeping them one per marker, preferably 
with at least one char of real text between markers
so you can see how many you have, to be best practice.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  http://mif2go.com/

RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in 
the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to
#1,
above.)

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.

Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! *** fra...@fsatools.com 
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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Thanks Frank, Robert, Jeremy, et. al. I so appreciate your help!

More info:

1. I now see that even a simple marker entry "Eisphora" has this 
problem. It appears in the "correct" location
alphabetically, it just looks like

. . . . . . 1

2. The original files were created in Word, but with no indexing. I put in 100% 
of these markers by hand, by myself, this week, in
FrameMaker 8. In other words, they "shouldn't" be affected by Word or the like. 
FYI, the ToC works just fine. 

3. I just did the following:

3.1 Shut Frame.
3.2 Relaunched Frame.
3.3 Opened book file.
3.4 Opened all files in book. Got some font and xref error messages, clicked 
through those. 
3.5 Highlighted, then saved, all files in book.
3.6 Generated ToC and index. 
3.7 Saved all files in book.
3.8 Opened index.
3.9 Found one of the offending entries, jumped to its source. It was a compound 
marker (2 entries in one marker). 
3.10 I copied one of the entries for reference, clicked in the document a few 
words away, and manually typed in the text for the
marker "America:Income tax of 1894", just like that.
3.11 Went to book file, all files selected, save all files in book, then 
generate.
3.12 Entry appears in the correct location, without any text only page #, and 
when I jump from that page number it takes me to the
new marker I just created. 
3.13 So I jump there, notice that the original marker is still in place, delete 
it, returned to 3.7 or so, repeated the whole
process, same result. 
3.14 Saved the index as mif, closed it, deleted the .fm version, reopened from 
mif, saved as FM 8, went to book, save all files in
book, generate, save all files in book, jump to index, and voila! Same result 
as before. 

Sigh ...

BTW, between steps, I recall breathing. :)

Frank, I am most willing and eager to try your step #4, but I've forgotten how 
to open the mif as text in Frame, after saving it.
???

Thanks,
Elchanan


-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 6:03 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax


On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as a 
> line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), 
> but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker 
> content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
> cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the marker from 
> scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have seen some 
odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, unprintable 
characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there
is NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one line in 
the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place (no copy 
and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, and see 
what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to
#1,
above.)

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.

Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! *** franks at fsatools.com 
 TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):
800-567-6421 USA Voice: 435-275-8981  http://www.fsatools.com

RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Yes, I created the index that way in the beginning, and I recreated it that way 
again a short while ago. In the second instance, I
imported formats from the prior index file (saved under an alternate name), 
except for the reference page. I thought I'd start from
scratch there. But I've done very little, just added the tabs necessary to 
activate the placement of tab characters in front of page
numbers. 

Elchanan

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:42 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Did you create the index from scratch with the Add File > Generated Index 
command?

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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Yes, I created the index that way in the beginning, and I recreated it that way 
again a short while ago. In the second instance, I
imported formats from the prior index file (saved under an alternate name), 
except for the reference page. I thought I'd start from
scratch there. But I've done very little, just added the tabs necessary to 
activate the placement of tab characters in front of page
numbers. 

Elchanan

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From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:42 PM
To: VLM TechSubs
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax

Did you create the index from scratch with the Add File > Generated Index 
command?

Re: Script to replace conrefs in DITA topics

[Scott Turner]

I would simply use a competent text editor, like Oxygen XML editor. 

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:42, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> Hi group
> 
> Suppose you have a bunch of topics in a DITA map or in a folder in which you 
> want to replace specific conrefs with an element with text. For example:
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> XYZ
> 
> and 
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> ABC
> 
> I guess this can be automated with a Framescript or Extendscript which does 
> the following:
> 
> 1. Collect all the conrefs in a DITA map or a folder.
> 2. Present the conrefs in some kind of list, for example a column in an Excel 
> spreadsheet. 
> 3. In the second column, the user could then enter the text and elements 
> which need to replace the conref, for example:
> 
> cell A1 (find):  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_kqg_drd_f3"/>
> cell B1 (replace with): XYZ
> cell A2:  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_drf_tvd_f7"/>
> cell B2: ABC
> 
> 4. Apply this search/replace list to all topics in a given DITA map or folder.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu
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Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Frank Stearns]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:


Greetings!


I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as 
a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so 
far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the 
marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, 
but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the 
marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my 
part here?


If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have 
seen some odd things happen with markers...


1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, 
unprintable characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there is 
NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one 
line in the marker?


2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.


3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place 
(no copy and paste). Does that new entry work?


4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, 
and see what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to #1, 
above.)


If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.


Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! ***
fra...@fsatools.com 
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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Frank Stearns]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, VLM TechSubs wrote:

> Greetings!

> I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the 
> content "America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index as 
> a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so 
> far), but with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted the 
> marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, 
> but I cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated the 
> marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my 
> part here?

If entered as stated, you should be fine.

But, after having specialized in FM indexes for 20+ years, we have 
seen some odd things happen with markers...

1. Was this document originally created in Word then imported to FM? 
Sometimes those converted markers are "dirty" and contain unseen, 
unprintable characters that can cause odd FM behavior. BTW, there is 
NO CR or LF in the entry, correct? Your entry is one string, on one 
line in the marker?

2. Try a "MIF wash." But this won't remove unwanted "bad" characters. 
It will just refresh/rebuild the object lists.

3. For fun, put a new marker, hand typed, at or near the same place 
(no copy and paste). Does that new entry work?

4. If you're really adventurous, save as MIF, search for the entry, 
and see what all might be included with that marker. (Relates to #1, 
above.)

If all of the above fails, feel free to send us a copy of the doc for 
evaluation.

Hope this helps,

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
*** IXGEN 7-10 for FRAMEMAKER 10/11 IS HERE! ***
franks at fsatools.com 
TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):  800-567-6421
USA Voice: 435-275-8981  http://www.fsatools.com

FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Robert Lauriston]

Did you create the index from scratch with the Add File > Generated
Index command?

Re: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 2 Oct 2013 17:20:05 -0700, "VLM TechSubs" 
 wrote:

>Could there be a problem with
>putting two separate entries of such construction 
>into a single index marker?

Are they separated with a semicolon?  And no extra 
semis before or after?  That should work, but we 
consider keeping them one per marker, preferably 
with at least one char of real text between markers
so you can see how many you have, to be best practice.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  http://mif2go.com/
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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Robert Lauriston]

It looks like this?

America
  1

Just as an experiment, you might try taking the word "of" out of the
marker text.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:09 PM, VLM TechSubs
 wrote:
> I should add that the result is supposed to look like
>
>
>
> America
>
>Coinage Act of 1965 . . . . . 1

FM 8: Index marker syntax

[Robert Lauriston]

Probably you need to modify the stuff in the index flow on the
reference page in the generated index file, same as for formatting the
table of contents.

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:04 PM, VLM TechSubs
 wrote:
> Greetings!
>
>
>
> I?m going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content
> ?America:Coinage Act of 1965?. This appears in the index as a line under
> ?America?, indented to the second level (correct so far), but with only a
> page number, no text. I copied and pasted the marker content into the
> preceding line. I must be missing something, but I cannot figure out what. I
> have removed and recreated the  marker from scratch, to no avail. Can
> someone see an error on my part here?
>

RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Thanks for responding so quickly, Jack. 

 

But, isn't the colon the standard FrameMaker subentry separator? At
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/help.html?content=Chap12-TOC-Indexes_19.html,
 docs say:


  _  

To create a subentry:

Separate the entry from the subentry with a colon (:). For example, to create 
the first subentry in the illustration, enter
Continental drift:fossil evidence

A subentry is always preceded by the entry to which it is subordinate. If you 
need two subentry levels, place a colon between the
subentry and the sub-subentry. For example, enter Continental drift:fossil 
evidence:dating of

  _  

How does what I'm doing differ from this? I have a whole bunch of these, and 
they are all failing. Could there be a problem with
putting two separate entries of such construction into a single index marker? 
Was never a problem in 5.5.6 (last version in which I
built a major index). 

I'm feeling VERY bewildered at the moment! :)
Elchanan

 

From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:10 PM
To: 'VLM TechSubs'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax

 

Probably misunderstands your colon.

 

Jack DeLand, CSM | 734 972 3026 (cell) | jack.deland (skype) | 
www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:04 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8: Index marker syntax

 

Greetings!

 

I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content 
"America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index
as a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), but 
with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted
the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated
the  marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

 

Thanks,

Elchanan

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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Thanks for responding so quickly, Jack. 



But, isn't the colon the standard FrameMaker subentry separator? At
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/help.html?content=Chap12-TOC-Indexes_19.html,
 docs say:


  _  

To create a subentry:

Separate the entry from the subentry with a colon (:). For example, to create 
the first subentry in the illustration, enter
Continental drift:fossil evidence

A subentry is always preceded by the entry to which it is subordinate. If you 
need two subentry levels, place a colon between the
subentry and the sub-subentry. For example, enter Continental drift:fossil 
evidence:dating of

  _  

How does what I'm doing differ from this? I have a whole bunch of these, and 
they are all failing. Could there be a problem with
putting two separate entries of such construction into a single index marker? 
Was never a problem in 5.5.6 (last version in which I
built a major index). 

I'm feeling VERY bewildered at the moment! :)
Elchanan



From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:10 PM
To: 'VLM TechSubs'
Subject: RE: FM 8: Index marker syntax



Probably misunderstands your colon.



Jack DeLand, CSM | 734 972 3026 (cell) | jack.deland (skype) | 
www.linkedin.com/in/jackdeland



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 8:04 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8: Index marker syntax



Greetings!



I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content 
"America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index
as a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), but 
with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted
the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated
the  marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?



Thanks,

Elchanan

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[VLM TechSubs]

I should add that the result is supposed to look like

 

America

   Coinage Act of 1965 . . . . . 1

 

Elchanan

From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:04 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8: Index marker syntax

 

Greetings!

 

I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content 
"America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index
as a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), but 
with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted
the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated
the  marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

 

Thanks,

Elchanan

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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

I should add that the result is supposed to look like



America

   Coinage Act of 1965 . . . . . 1



Elchanan

From: VLM TechSubs [mailto:techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 5:04 PM
To: Framers
Subject: FM 8: Index marker syntax



Greetings!



I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content 
"America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index
as a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), but 
with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted
the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated
the  marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?



Thanks,

Elchanan

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[VLM TechSubs]

Greetings!

 

I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content 
"America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index
as a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), but 
with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted
the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated
the  marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?

 

Thanks,

Elchanan

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FM 8: Index marker syntax

[VLM TechSubs]

Greetings!



I'm going in circles here. I have a marker of type Index with the content 
"America:Coinage Act of 1965". This appears in the index
as a line under "America", indented to the second level (correct so far), but 
with only a page number, no text. I copied and pasted
the marker content into the preceding line. I must be missing something, but I 
cannot figure out what. I have removed and recreated
the  marker from scratch, to no avail. Can someone see an error on my part here?



Thanks,

Elchanan

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Script to replace conrefs in DITA topics

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

Suppose you have a bunch of topics in a DITA map or in a folder in which
you want to replace specific conrefs with an element with text. For example:



needs to be replaced with:

XYZ

and



needs to be replaced with:

ABC

I guess this can be automated with a Framescript or Extendscript which does
the following:

1. Collect all the conrefs in a DITA map or a folder.
2. Present the conrefs in some kind of list, for example a column in an
Excel spreadsheet.
3. In the second column, the user could then enter the text and elements
which need to replace the conref, for example:

cell A1 (find): 
cell B1 (replace with): XYZ
cell A2: 
cell B2: ABC

4. Apply this search/replace list to all topics in a given DITA map or
folder.

Any takers?

Thanks

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www.scripto.nu
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Delivery Failure again [was Re: Now Working]

[Suzanne Bolduc]

sorry for the false alarm... I had mistyped the address, silly me. it works.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Suzanne Bolduc  wrote:

> apparently the address has been disabled again. I just got a Delivery
> Failure Report (550 No such user - psmtp) and its Resend button didn't
> help. Anyone else?
> thanks,
> Suzanne
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>
>> It was reported on the Framers list before the holidays that
>> fmerror at adobe.com was not working. I confirmed at the time that this was
>> indeed the case.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Apparently, it was inadvertently disabled by our IT group when one of the
>> persons monitoring it left the company.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It has been restored and please resume using it to report FrameMaker
>> ?issues.? (I cannot guarantee results, but it is the official route to
>> FrameMaker development in terms of reporting problems!)
>>
>
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Delivery Failure again [was Re: Now Working]

[Suzanne Bolduc]

apparently the address has been disabled again. I just got a Delivery
Failure Report (550 No such user - psmtp) and its Resend button didn't
help. Anyone else?
thanks,
Suzanne


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> It was reported on the Framers list before the holidays that
> fmerror at adobe.com was not working. I confirmed at the time that this was
> indeed the case.
>
> ** **
>
> Apparently, it was inadvertently disabled by our IT group when one of the
> persons monitoring it left the company.
>
> ** **
>
> It has been restored and please resume using it to report FrameMaker
> ?issues.? (I cannot guarantee results, but it is the official route to
> FrameMaker development in terms of reporting problems!)
>
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TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver

[Craig Ede]

Nonetheless, after a couple of days of attempting both FM and Acrobat updates 
with no change, changing the default application that opened the PDF is what 
finally resulting in getting a working PDF printer. It was a Acrobat update 
that finally did the trick, BTW, but since FM is linked to Distiller, it seems 
to me that should be part of its update function, but maybe not.

I'm just reporting what worked for me. Despite occasional problems like this 
I've never had to reinstall either application from scratch.

Another note: It was an update to Acrobat Reader 11 as a add-in to my browser 
through a security recommendation of my Norton security software that 
originally triggered the problem of losing the PDF printer.

Craig

> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:02:36 -0700
> Subject: Re: TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver
> From: robert at lauriston.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> If there is an FrameMaker update, installing it would probably repair
> the Save as PDF functionality, just as reinstalling would.
> 
> What application you have set to open PDFs is irrelevant.
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Re: Delivery Failure again [was Re: Now Working]

[Suzanne Bolduc]

sorry for the false alarm... I had mistyped the address, silly me. it works.


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Suzanne Bolduc  wrote:

> apparently the address has been disabled again. I just got a Delivery
> Failure Report (550 No such user - psmtp) and its Resend button didn't
> help. Anyone else?
> thanks,
> Suzanne
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>
>> It was reported on the Framers list before the holidays that
>> fmer...@adobe.com was not working. I confirmed at the time that this was
>> indeed the case.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Apparently, it was inadvertently disabled by our IT group when one of the
>> persons monitoring it left the company.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It has been restored and please resume using it to report FrameMaker
>> “issues.” (I cannot guarantee results, but it is the official route to
>> FrameMaker development in terms of reporting problems!)
>>
>
>
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Urgent question re: SGML & Framemaker

[Alan Litchfield]

Worked with some large projects, but the individual files were mostly 
fairly small or moderate.

Are you talking GB plus?

Alan

On 1/10/13 6:00 AM, Chris Coggins wrote:
> Is anyone aware of issues importing very large sgml files into 
> Framemaker? For example, importing large government-provided DTD/FOSI 
> templates?
>
> Framemaker is an established composition tool within the government 
> regarding DoD technical manuals, but I've been asked to verify whether 
> Framemaker is too limited to continue being used for SGML requirements 
> on tech manuals.
>
> Does anyone have an opinion on this, as my experience with SGML in 
> Frame is very limited?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
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Delivery Failure again [was Re: Now Working]

[Suzanne Bolduc]

apparently the address has been disabled again. I just got a Delivery
Failure Report (550 No such user - psmtp) and its Resend button didn't
help. Anyone else?
thanks,
Suzanne


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> It was reported on the Framers list before the holidays that
> fmer...@adobe.com was not working. I confirmed at the time that this was
> indeed the case.
>
> ** **
>
> Apparently, it was inadvertently disabled by our IT group when one of the
> persons monitoring it left the company.
>
> ** **
>
> It has been restored and please resume using it to report FrameMaker
> “issues.” (I cannot guarantee results, but it is the official route to
> FrameMaker development in terms of reporting problems!)
>
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Script to replace conrefs in DITA topics

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

Suppose you have a bunch of topics in a DITA map or in a folder in which
you want to replace specific conrefs with an element with text. For example:



needs to be replaced with:

XYZ

and



needs to be replaced with:

ABC

I guess this can be automated with a Framescript or Extendscript which does
the following:

1. Collect all the conrefs in a DITA map or a folder.
2. Present the conrefs in some kind of list, for example a column in an
Excel spreadsheet.
3. In the second column, the user could then enter the text and elements
which need to replace the conref, for example:

cell A1 (find): 
cell B1 (replace with): XYZ
cell A2: 
cell B2: ABC

4. Apply this search/replace list to all topics in a given DITA map or
folder.

Any takers?

Thanks

-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
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Re: TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver

[Robert Lauriston]

If there is an FrameMaker update, installing it would probably repair
the Save as PDF functionality, just as reinstalling would.

What application you have set to open PDFs is irrelevant.
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script for batch PDF generation

[Shmuel Wolfson]

DZbatcher is a free command line tool you can use to automate PDF 
generation.
http://www.miramo.com/english/overview/download.html
Here's the documentation for it:
www.miramo.com/download/dzbatcher/documentation.pdf?


On 30-Sep-13 4:35 PM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking for a way to automate the pdf generation of FM books 
> (unstructured) in FM11. Use case: 6 books, each in 24 languages to be 
> printed to PDF once a day. Has anyone such a script (ExtendScript) 
> available or knows of a plugin that performs it? Would be nice if the 
> script will allow additional modification like importing variable 
> definitions etc.
>
> I'm not sure if FMBatch still exists and can work with FM11?
>
> any suggestion appreciated?..
>
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>
> Wim Hooghwinkel
>
> *Information Energy 2013 ? Leading Conference on Innovation in 
> Knowledge and Information Exchange*
> IEn2013 
>
> tel. +31652036811
> Skype wimhooghwinkel
> Twitter @idtp @ien2013
> info at idtp.eu 
> www.idtp.eu 
>
> FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu
>
> Op 23 aug. 2013, om 19:00 heeft framers-request at lists.frameusers.com 
>  het volgende geschreven:
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>> 1. Hypertext links not working (Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com)
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>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 13:00:46 -0700
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Hypertext links not working
>> Message-ID:
>> <31A5A925033707429B15A6DAC8BF48BA0354138F at AZ25EXM06.gddsi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> 2013-08-22-04T20:00Z
>>
>> Windows 7 Enterprise Service Pack 1
>> 4?GB RAM
>> 64-bit operating system
>> FrameMaker 11.0.2.384
>> FrameMaker installed on workstation
>> Folder and all files on a server on the local area network in 
>> accordance with corporate policy
>>
>> I am unable to consistently encode hypertext links among five files 
>> in one unstructured book.
>>
>> Here's how the files are arranged:
>>
>> NOTE: The .book file and all the target files are "children" of 
>> folder \Abc_Def. File BEGIN_HERE.fm is "sibling" of folder \Abc_Def 
>> and is to contain links to all four targets.
>>
>> Folder \Abc_Def
>> File dir_Abc_Def.book
>> File targetA.fm
>> File targetB.fm
>> File targetC.fm
>> File targetD.fm
>> File BEGIN_HERE.fm
>>
>> I moved File BEGIN_HERE.fm out of folder \Abc_Def because a recipient 
>> of the informational product (portable document format files) wants 
>> it that way. I am using a character tag to constrain both the 
>> newlinks and gotolinks to small amounts of text. Before I moved file 
>> BEGIN_HERE.fm out of folder \Abc_Def, crossreferences among all files 
>> worked flawlessly.
>>
>> My latest attempt has been to specify named destinations (for 
>> example, newlink dir_About.fm) and jumps to named destinations (for 
>> example, gotolink dir_About.fm).
>>
>> In the source .fm files, these jumps work only a small part of the 
>> time. In the deliverable .pdf files, they don't work at all.
>>
>> Dave Stamm
>> Information Engineer
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 04:39:13 -0700
>> From: 
>> To: 
>> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Hypertext links not working
>> Message-ID:
>> <31A5A925033707429B15A6DAC8BF48BA0354167F at AZ25EXM06.gddsi.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> 2013-08-23-05T11:40Z
>>
>> Robert -
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I, too, haven't done this since years ago. So
>> long ago, in fact that I've tracked down my materials from Shlomo
>> Perets' training back in 2002.
>>
>> Yes, all the files are part of dir_Abc_Def.book. The odd thing, for
>> myself, is that the "child" file, is outside the folder that contains
>> the rest of the book.
>>
>> Nothing I've tried so far works, so I'm hoping that someone on the list
>> can help me find the "secret sauce" that I'm missing from the "recipe."
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Stamm
>> Information Engineer
>> General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On
>> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
>> Sent: 2013-08-22-Thursday 16:24
>> To: St

FrameMaker: Is any version URL-aware?

[Shmuel Wolfson]

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