FrameMaker 12 released

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/



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SOLVED! Was RE: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Anita,

Thank you very much for this description. I also encounter
this crash now and then. Next time I will test your solution.

You say that FrameMaker did not know how to interpret
an end of flow symbol in a hidden cell. However, if I do not
apply any condition to text in table rows which are hidden,
then I _always_ have this end of flow symbol.

When I send FrameMaker files to translation, translation memory
systems import and present text in hidden table rows. Therefore
I apply a condition not only to a table row but also to the text in
the table row.

Best regards

Winfried

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gutierrez, Anita
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:28 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SOLVED! Was RE: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

Thanks to everyone who jumped in to help.  Besides fixing my file, I learned a 
ton!

The problem turned out to be caused by a table whose conditional text settings 
were ?funny? (Gary?s word). Meaning:

? The table anchor was unconditional.
? Several table rows had a condition applied.
? Some text inside conditional table cells also had the same condition as the 
row applied.  However, the end-of-flow symbols in some of these dual-condition 
cells were unconditional.  (Don?t ask why I set the table up this way.  It made 
sense at the time.)

It seems that Frame didn?t know what to do with an end-of-cell symbol that has 
no cell in which to live?as happened when I hid the condition. That?s actually 
kind of reasonable, although Frame could handle it more gracefully than 
crashing.  (Apparently this has been a known bug at least since version 7.  
Adobe folks?)

When I cleaned up the table to use conditions only on text (not table rows or 
cells), everything worked fine.

Also, thanks to Stuart for pointing me to the MIF Reference. The MIF equivalent 
of ?don?t Show Condition Indicators? is this line in the Document statement.

Not the most intuitive term for it, but there you have it.

Thanks all!
Anita



From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:19 AM
To: Gutierrez, Anita; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at 
lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

On 2014-Jan-13 1:24 PM, Gutierrez, Anita wrote:
Hi Framers,

(Anyone know the MIF equivalent of ?don?t Show Condition Indicators??  I 
searched for ?cond? and ?condition? and didn?t find anything recognizable as 
such.)



Search for "indicators" in: 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/MIF_Reference/MIF_Reference.pdf

--

Stuart Rogers

Technical Communicator

Phoenix Geophysics Limited

3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3

Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5

+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325



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FrameMaker 12 released

[Simon BUCH]

I've taken a quick look at this new release.

a. There's still no right-to-left language support.

b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the 
help pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate 
grade networks with no internet access.

c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
 'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription 
licensing options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing 
needs of our customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options 
for you. There is also special upgrade pricing available as well as 
limited time promotional price for some customers. Please refer to the 
product homepages for exact pricing information (links below).'

Really?





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FrameMaker 12 released

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: January-15-14 5:39 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

I've taken a quick look at this new release.

a. There's still no right-to-left language support.

b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the help 
pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate grade 
networks with no internet access.

c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?




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FrameMaker 12 released

[Lin Sims]

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find
that FM9 was 32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

> Hi,
>
> FrameMaker 12 is released now.
> There are many links with information. See below.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> ---
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
>
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html
>
> What's new in FrameMaker 12:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
>
> wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html
>
> What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
> http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
>
> http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> Reviews:
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/
>
> 
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FrameMaker 12 released

[Scott Prentice]

Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and 
when it installs it end up in the "Program Files (x86)" folder.

...scott


On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
> Thanks for the links, Winfried.
>
> Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit 
> versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to 
> find that FM9 was 32-bit only.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lin
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried  <mailto:wreng at tycoint.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> FrameMaker 12 is released now.
> There are many links with information. See below.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> ---
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
>
> 
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html
>
> What's new in FrameMaker 12:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
> 
> wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
> 
> <http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF>
>
> For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html
>
> What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
> http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
> 
> http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> Reviews:
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/
>
> 
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FrameMaker 12 released

[Rick Quatro]

32-bit only.



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released



Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit versions,
or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find that FM9 was
32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin



On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried 
wrote:

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-h
ere.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/f
ramemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/techn
icalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/



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FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... 
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a 
"promotional" pricing discount).

Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from 
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). 
Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 
to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as 
bug fixes.

*And* my final two years of paying for license "upgrades" saw NO benefit at 
all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 
upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 
without any more "upgrade" payments, but I suspect this will not happen.

BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... 
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/



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FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
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FrameMaker 12 released

[Scott Prentice]

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. 
that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott

On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
>
> Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old 
> pretty quick, though! J
>
> Z
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff 
> Coatsworth
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
> *To:* 'Framers'
> *Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released
>
> Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and 
> getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the 
> same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install 
> (same as it's been for a while now).
>
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FrameMaker 12 released

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) 
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
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[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Simon Buch wrote:

?  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount:

1.  From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399

2.  From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199

3.  From FM 10 to FM 12:$ 599

4.  From FM 10 to TCS 5: $ 1199

5.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to FM 12:  $ 999 (no discount from list price)

6.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to TCS 5:   $ 1199

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[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott



On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net<mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).



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FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah! :) No internet access allowed for them, so they would have to get the 
perpetual licenses ...

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net<mailto:Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net>) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
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FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone may no longer be an option for FM 12 
- you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to return your product 
purchase, I suppose.

This is from the FM 12 FAQ:

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased 
FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an Internet 
connection?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each machine with 
an application installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 
days of the first launch of your serialized product to continue using the 
product.

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased Adobe 
FrameMaker 12. What is the return 
policy?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to 
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html.

Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an "IT 
Administrator" (my bolding below):

Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 
12?<http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html>
Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to continue use 
of the product. Activating your product helps protect your computer and your 
environment by ensuring that you are using a genuine Adobe product. Activating 
your product has other benefits. Visit the activation page [ 
http://adobe.com/product/activation<http://www.adobe.com/products/activation/>] 
for more information. The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to 
the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your 
serialized product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that 
has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the Internet, have 
your IT administrator contact Customer Service. The phone numbers for Customer 
Service are available at 
www.adobe.com/support/contact<http://www.adobe.com/support/contact>.

Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall - even if temporarily 
- rather than just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen 
at some sites.

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott


On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net<mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net>) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).


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FrameMaker and SharePoint (user request)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi all:

Quick question. Is anyone on the list using FrameMaker with a SharePoint
implementation and having success with it? I've got a client that is
considering this combination and I wanted to see what your thoughts are.

It would be structured (DITA) with FrameMaker 12 and SharePoint. Ideally
it's someone in the general vicinity of Toronto (Ottawa, Montreal, Boston,
NY) but if you are further out, that's okay. I'd like to get some ideas on
what works (and what might not be working) in your environment.

Please contact me offlist and I can arrange for a followup phone call.

Many thanks,

Bernard



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FrameMaker 12 released

[Keith Soltys]

what do you need to install the FM8 upgrade version?

[Robert Lauriston]

Can you install FM8 if you have a FM6 CD / key or do you need FM7?

RE: SOLVED! Was RE: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Anita,

Thank you very much for this description. I also encounter
this crash now and then. Next time I will test your solution.

You say that FrameMaker did not know how to interpret
an end of flow symbol in a hidden cell. However, if I do not
apply any condition to text in table rows which are hidden,
then I _always_ have this end of flow symbol.

When I send FrameMaker files to translation, translation memory
systems import and present text in hidden table rows. Therefore
I apply a condition not only to a table row but also to the text in
the table row.

Best regards

Winfried

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gutierrez, Anita
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SOLVED! Was RE: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

Thanks to everyone who jumped in to help.  Besides fixing my file, I learned a 
ton!

The problem turned out to be caused by a table whose conditional text settings 
were “funny” (Gary’s word). Meaning:

• The table anchor was unconditional.
• Several table rows had a condition applied.
• Some text inside conditional table cells also had the same condition as the 
row applied.  However, the end-of-flow symbols in some of these dual-condition 
cells were unconditional.  (Don’t ask why I set the table up this way.  It made 
sense at the time.)

It seems that Frame didn’t know what to do with an end-of-cell symbol that has 
no cell in which to live—as happened when I hid the condition. That’s actually 
kind of reasonable, although Frame could handle it more gracefully than 
crashing.  (Apparently this has been a known bug at least since version 7.  
Adobe folks?)

When I cleaned up the table to use conditions only on text (not table rows or 
cells), everything worked fine.

Also, thanks to Stuart for pointing me to the MIF Reference. The MIF equivalent 
of “don’t Show Condition Indicators” is this line in the Document statement.

Not the most intuitive term for it, but there you have it.

Thanks all!
Anita



From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:19 AM
To: Gutierrez, Anita; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

On 2014-Jan-13 1:24 PM, Gutierrez, Anita wrote:
Hi Framers,

(Anyone know the MIF equivalent of “don’t Show Condition Indicators”?  I 
searched for “cond” and “condition” and didn’t find anything recognizable as 
such.)



Search for "indicators" in: 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/MIF_Reference/MIF_Reference.pdf

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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

[Simon BUCH]

I've taken a quick look at this new release.

a. There's still no right-to-left language support.

b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the 
help pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate 
grade networks with no internet access.


c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription 
licensing options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing 
needs of our customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options 
for you. There is also special upgrade pricing available as well as 
limited time promotional price for some customers. Please refer to the 
product homepages for exact pricing information (links below).'


Really?





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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: January-15-14 5:39 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

I've taken a quick look at this new release.

a. There's still no right-to-left language support.

b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the help 
pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate grade 
networks with no internet access.

c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?




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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

[Lin Sims]

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find
that FM9 was 32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:

> Hi,
>
> FrameMaker 12 is released now.
> There are many links with information. See below.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> ---
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html
>
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html
>
> What's new in FrameMaker 12:
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
>
> wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html
>
> What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
> http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html
>
> Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
>
> http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF
>
> Reviews:
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
> http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/
>
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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

[Scott Prentice]

Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and 
when it installs it end up in the "Program Files (x86)" folder.


...scott


On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit 
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to 
find that FM9 was 32-bit only.


Thanks,

Lin


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried > wrote:


Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html


http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:

wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF



For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:

http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Rick Quatro]

32-bit only.

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

 

Thanks for the links, Winfried.

Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit versions,
or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find that FM9 was
32-bit only.

Thanks,

Lin

 

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried 
wrote:

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-h
ere.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/f
ramemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/techn
icalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... 
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a 
"promotional" pricing discount).

Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from 
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). 
Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 
to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as 
bug fixes.

*And* my final two years of paying for license "upgrades" saw NO benefit at 
all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 
upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 
without any more "upgrade" payments, but I suspect this will not happen.

BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... 
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

---

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).
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Re: FrameMaker 12 released

[Scott Prentice]

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. 
that's just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.


...scott

On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:


Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old 
pretty quick, though! J


Z

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*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and 
getting an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the 
same help material as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install 
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Simon Buch wrote:

?  c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about "Licensing options":
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing 
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our 
customers vary and hence, we are offering both the options for you. There is 
also special upgrade pricing available as well as limited time promotional 
price for some customers. Please refer to the product homepages for exact 
pricing information (links below).'

Really?
To help summarize what I read ... as far as I can tell from the various pages 
(I am only showing the US costs).

The promotional pricing is for the subscription model of TCS 5:


1.  Subscription of TCS 5:$29.99 per month for the 
first year (at a discount of 40%) - goes up after 1 year.

For licensees with both FM 9 and Robohelp 8 (as I read it), there is a 
promotion discount to the full license price for each product (separately, as I 
read it):


1.  FM 12 $ 599 (at a 
discount of 40%)

2.  Robohelp 11 $ 599 (at a discount of 
40%)

Presumably, each license cost above is separate(?) And, there is fine print 
that I am not sure how it would be applied: this promotion is "only available 
to eligible commercial and volume licensing customers worldwide" and "eligible 
retain commercial customers who purchase directly from the Adobe.com Store".

What is the definition of "commercial" in this context? Are free-lance writers 
who use FrameMaker and Robohelp not eligible?

For the new subscription model of FM 12, there is no discount:


1.  Subscription of FM 12:   $29.99 per month.
For perpetual license upgrades to FM, there is no discount:

1.  From FM 11 to FM 12:$ 399

2.  From FM 11 to TCS 5: $ 1199

3.  From FM 10 to FM 12:$ 599

4.  From FM 10 to TCS 5: $ 1199

5.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to FM 12:  $ 999 (no discount from list price)

6.  From FM 7.x, 8, 9 to TCS 5:   $ 1199

Z
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott



On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).



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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Yeah! :) No internet access allowed for them, so they would have to get the 
perpetual licenses ...

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Pretty sure that the "military-industrial complex" doesn't deal with 
month-by-month subscriptions ;>)

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ah! Apparently, activation over the phone may no longer be an option for FM 12 
- you have to have an Internet connection. Else you get to return your product 
purchase, I suppose.

This is from the FM 12 FAQ:

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased 
FrameMaker 12. Is there a way to activate without having an Internet 
connection?
No. Activation of FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet. Each machine with 
an application installed must connect to the Internet at least once within 30 
days of the first launch of your serialized product to continue using the 
product.

I didn't know I needed to have an Internet connection when I purchased Adobe 
FrameMaker 12. What is the return 
policy?
For details on Adobe return policies in your region, go to 
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/153/tn_15327.html.

Although, they do also say this in the FAQ about calling by an "IT 
Administrator" (my bolding below):

Can I choose not to activate Adobe FrameMaker 
12?
Activation of Adobe FrameMaker 12 is required via the Internet to continue use 
of the product. Activating your product helps protect your computer and your 
environment by ensuring that you are using a genuine Adobe product. Activating 
your product has other benefits. Visit the activation page [ 
http://adobe.com/product/activation] 
for more information. The machine with FrameMaker 12 installed must connect to 
the Internet at least once within 30 days of the first launch of your 
serialized product or the product stops working. If you work in a company that 
has a firewall that prevents your system from connecting to the Internet, have 
your IT administrator contact Customer Service. The phone numbers for Customer 
Service are available at 
www.adobe.com/support/contact.

Of course, if the IT Administrator has to open a firewall - even if temporarily 
- rather than just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen 
at some sites.

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Correct. The cost is charged monthly - with an annual commitment. After 30 
days, if you cancel, you will be billed 50% of the remaining contract 
obligation.

What I meant was that the software checks activation every 30 days ... 
presumably, without Internet access, you would have to call every month?

Z

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released

Although the subscription is labeled "monthly", it's really a yearly 
subscription. As far as I know you have to pay for an entire year .. that's 
just the monthly cost if you break it down that way.

...scott


On 1/15/14 10:33 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
Calling every 30 days for the subscription model version would get old pretty 
quick, though! :)

Z

From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released

Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting 
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material 
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a 
while now).


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FrameMaker and SharePoint (user request)

[Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)]

Hi all:

Quick question. Is anyone on the list using FrameMaker with a SharePoint
implementation and having success with it? I've got a client that is
considering this combination and I wanted to see what your thoughts are.

It would be structured (DITA) with FrameMaker 12 and SharePoint. Ideally
it's someone in the general vicinity of Toronto (Ottawa, Montreal, Boston,
NY) but if you are further out, that's okay. I'd like to get some ideas on
what works (and what might not be working) in your environment.

Please contact me offlist and I can arrange for a followup phone call.

Many thanks,

Bernard



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FW: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

[Zimmerman, Gary]

Hi Anita,

I lurk-and-skim the FM list.  Run into this a LOT.


What it means - I think - is that you have something conditionalized "funny".  
For example, there is an errant paragraph mark/pilcrow that's hidden normally 
but conditionalized.  When you turn on or off the conditions in this case, you 
might be creating an invalid document or something else FM chokes on.  I also 
notice it happens a lot when something conditionalized is at the very end of a 
file or a structure, so likely some important binary formatting or other info 
is being conditionalized in or out, and FM freaks out when it's gone.

Turn on all the text symbols.  First skim through to see if there are any 
errant para marks or structures (if you're doing structured FM) that are 
conditionalized all by themselves.  Delete them.

Next try a mif wash - save as .mif, open .mif, then save back to .fm format.  
When you are in the .mif file you can turn on all the conditions before you 
save as .fm.

Then use the Edit Conditional Text dialog box which (in FM 10, anyway) lists 
all the places in the file that share a particular condition.  Use the GoTo 
button to go to each of them and see what's there.

If there are any unused conditions in the file, use the conditional text dialog 
to delete them and delete any text associated with them. (If it's invisible, 
you don't care about it, but beware, sometimes this creates a file that Will 
Not Open - so make a backup before you try!)

Good luck!

This has been a problem with FM at least since 7, and it still happens to us in 
10.  I wish they would make the feature more robust.

-- garyZ


Gutierrez, Anita
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:24 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

Hi Framers,

Frame 10.0.2.419 / Win 7 Enterprise SP1 / I'm on the digest list so please copy 
me on any responses.

I have a file that consistently crashes Frame when I change its conditional 
text settings.  Here's the sequence. The file uses two conditions, which I'll 
call Condition1 and Condition2.

1. Open the file and select Special > Conditional Text > Show/Hide Conditional 
Text.
2. Change anything in the window except to hide Condition1.
3. Click Apply.  Boom! (Internal error 10024, 5989862, 5990284, 4795407.)  This 
is very repeatable with this one file.  (And yes, I've sent the error log to 
the fmerror@ adobe group.)

Of note:

*  If I hide Condition1 (assuming it's showing), I don't get the crash.  All 
other changes in the Show/Hide window cause the crash.

*  I tried closing the file and clicking it in the context of the book.  
Selecting View > Show/Hide Conditional Text and applying changes still causes 
the crash.

*  I asked a couple of colleagues to test the above steps on their machines and 
they also got the crash.  (One's on Frame 10.0.0.388, the other same as me, 
10.0.2.419.)

*  I can change condition settings for other files, including other files in 
the same book, through the UI without crashing.

*  I can use a FrameScript to set the doc's ShowCondIndicators and 
CondFmt.CondFmtIsShown as needed.  This is my work-around for the time being.
*  I can save the file to MIF, open as text and change  to 
 for my two conditions. When I re-open in Frame, the conditions 
are showing, with condition indicators on. (Anyone know the MIF equivalent of 
"don't Show Condition Indicators"?  I searched for "cond" and "condition" and 
didn't find anything recognizable as such.)

Possibly also of note:

*  Last week when this started happening, I tried a reboot (in the absence of 
other ideas).  When my machine came back up, it blue-screened-so there may be a 
systemic issue not related to Frame.  However since my colleagues were able to 
reproduce the problem, environment issues are not the sole cause.

Have any of you seen something similar to this before? Or have any ideas about 
how to un-corrupt the file?

Thanks-
Anita


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Curriculum Developer
Sage Construction and Real Estate
Sage Software

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Re: Saving back from FM v11 to FM v9

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Karen, 

you might also try the FM 11-mif format. FM 9 seems to open these files,
and probably thus the font information will be correct. 

(In any case, FM 9 should be patched to its last version, as the support
for the FM 7.2 "not Unicode" characters was added very late.) 

Why this once worked but not now... I have no idea. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Karen Mann: 

> Hi everyone, 
> 
> Yep, got a problem. 
> 
> Customer using FM 11 wants some files saved back to FM Ver 9. Has always 
> worked before not now. Using Times New Roman font. Individually saved FM 11 
> as .mif 7 - then opened .mif 7 in FM 9 and resaved as .fm for FM 9. Open the 
> new FM 9 .fm file through FM9 and it opens the file. This time the file shows 
> up in question marks. Have redone it 7 times results are same. Did I miss 
> something… 
> 
> Anyone else having this issue? 
> 
> Thank you in advance for your efforts. 
> 
> Karen Mann 
> 
> km...@i-t-tech.com 
> 
> 262-251-9702 Ext. 111 
> 
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Re: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

[rebecca officer]

Hi Anita 
 
We also had crashes when changing CT show/hide settings in FM10. I
reported it very thoroughly to Adobe and they confirmed there was a bug.
As far as I can tell, it's fixed in FM11. 
 
Two workarounds:
- we didn't see the crash if we saved the file immediately before
changing the CT show/hide settings 
- it didn't crash if we imported CT settings from a file 
 
We ended up using framescript to create menu items for changing the CT
settings, where the script imports the settings from a file.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Gutierrez, Anita"  14/01/14 07:24 >>>

Hi Framers,

 
Frame 10.0.2.419 / Win 7 Enterprise SP1 / I’m on the digest list so
please copy me on any responses.
 
I have a file that consistently crashes Frame when I change its
conditional text settings.  Here’s the sequence. The file uses two
conditions, which I’ll call Condition1 and Condition2. 
 
1. Open the file and select Special > Conditional Text > Show/Hide
Conditional Text.
2. Change anything in the window except to hide Condition1.
3. Click Apply.  Boom! (Internal error 10024, 5989862, 5990284,
4795407.)  This is very repeatable with this one file.  (And yes, I’ve
sent the error log to the fmerror@ adobe group.)
 
Of note:
 
•  If I hide Condition1 (assuming it’s showing), I don’t get the crash.
 All other changes in the Show/Hide window cause the crash.
 
•  I tried closing the file and clicking it in the context of the book.
 Selecting View > Show/Hide Conditional Text and applying changes still
causes the crash.
 
•  I asked a couple of colleagues to test the above steps on their
machines and they also got the crash.  (One’s on Frame 10.0.0.388, the
other same as me, 10.0.2.419.)
 
•  I can change condition settings for other files, including other
files in the same book, through the UI without crashing.
 
•  I can use a FrameScript to set the doc’s ShowCondIndicators and
CondFmt.CondFmtIsShown as needed.  This is my work-around for the time
being.
•  I can save the file to MIF, open as text and change 
to  for my two conditions. When I re-open in Frame, the
conditions are showing, with condition indicators on. (Anyone know the
MIF equivalent of “don’t Show Condition Indicators”?  I searched for
“cond” and “condition” and didn’t find anything recognizable as
such.)
 
Possibly also of note:
 
•  Last week when this started happening, I tried a reboot (in the
absence of other ideas).  When my machine came back up, it
blue-screened—so there may be a systemic issue not related to Frame. 
However since my colleagues were able to reproduce the problem,
environment issues are not the sole cause.
 
Have any of you seen something similar to this before? Or have any
ideas about how to un-corrupt the file?  
 
Thanks—
Anita
 
 
Anita Maria Gutierrez
Curriculum Developer
Sage Construction and Real Estate
Sage Software
 
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FM12 is here!

[Kapil Verma]

Hello Framers,

First of all, wish you all a happy new year 2014! For those of you who don't 
know me, I am a Sr. Product Manager at Adobe and am responsible for Adobe's 
Technical Communication product line.

Today, I have some exciting news for you! It is my pleasure to announce the 
availability of the new versions of Adobe's Technical Communication 
products. On 
the FrameMaker side, we launched FrameMaker 
12, FrameMaker Publishing Server 
12 and a brand 
new, exciting product in FrameMaker XML Author 
12! Yes, you read it 
right! There is going to be a new product focused exclusively on XML authoring.

Read my blog post 
here 
for more details..


Thanks,

Kapil Verma
Sr. Product Manager - Adobe Technical Communications Products
O: +91-120-2444711 x 34505

Technical Communication 
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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Keith Soltys]

From a scan of their product pages and the few reviews out now, this looks like 
a compelling upgrade. I passed on FM 11 because most of the new features seemed 
oriented to structured authoring.  This release has the number one item on my 
list of requested feature enhancements - regular expressions in search. That 
alone would be worth the upgrade to me.

The improved conditional text pod, smart catalogs, and other GUI enhancements 
are also good.

I would like to know if they've improved the MS Word import. I didn't see any 
mention of that anywhere.

Regards
Keith

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:57 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12 released

Hi,

FrameMaker 12 is released now.
There are many links with information. See below.

Best regards

Winfried

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http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/framemaker-12-launch-blog.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/technical-communication-suite-5-is-here.html

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/01/product-o-pedia-2014.html

What's new in FrameMaker 12:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html

Refer to the version comparison chart to see how FM has evolved:
wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/framemaker/framemaker-12/PDFs/FRAMEMAKER12_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

For answers to many questions on FM12, please see the FM12 FAQ 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/faq.html

What's new inTechCommSuite 5: TCS 5 Features 
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/features.html

Refer to the version comparison to see how the TCS has evolved:
http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/techcomsuite-5/pdf/TCS5_VERSION_COMPARISION.PDF

Reviews:
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-12-first-look-review/
http://techwhirl.com/adobe-framemaker-xml-author-12-first-look-review/

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TCS5 doesn't have Illustrator

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone
 
The new FM12 features sound great but I must admit I'm horrified to hear that 
TCS5 doesn't have Illustrator. My team's got the subscription version of TCS4. 
Does anyone know if we can separately upgrade FM, or do we have to upgrade the 
whole suite to TCS5? I assume if we upgrade the whole suite we'd lose our 
rights to Illustrator?
 
We bought TCS subscription specifically so we could get upgrades to FM *and* 
Illustrator. I feel like Adobe have signed us up to a one-year contract and 
then pulled the rug out from under us!
 
I'd appreciate any info anyone happens to have.
 
Thanks, 
Rebecca
 
 
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what do you need to install the FM8 upgrade version?

[Robert Lauriston]

Can you install FM8 if you have a FM6 CD / key or do you need FM7?
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ANN: FrameMaker 12 Product Launch Webinar Jan 28

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Adobe launched its most significant upgrade to FrameMaker in 12 years this 
week. Join our product launch webinar on "What's New in FrameMaker 12? What is 
FrameMaker XML Author 12?" at 8:00 AM Pacific on Tues January 28th.

You may register at: http://adobe.ly/1cqZL3D

FrameMaker 12:  publish to 5 online formats (including HTML5 responsive layout) 
in addition to PDF, sans Suite or plug-ins; revamped UI with choice of icons; 
visual quick element toolbar for XML; MathML equations; Dropbox support, RegEx 
in FIND/CHANGE, generate QR codes, colored text boxes and much, much more.

NEW PRODUCT = FrameMaker XML Author 12: Effortlessly author XML/DITA content 
with an intuitive customizable user interface, role-based modes and multiviews, 
quick insertion and viewing of content, Smart Paste, and support for MathML 
equations, DTD, XSLT 2.0, and XPath2.0.

We hope that you can join us for the live webinar. Register and get the 
recording link if you are unable to attend. This venue, which includes live 
demos by Adobe Sr. Product Mgr Kapil Verma, will be the perfect place for you 
to ask questions.




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RE: FrameMaker 12 released

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Dr. Reng,

Thank you for bringing our product launch to the group's attention. Both the 
product manager, Kapil Verma, and I have submitted product announcements and 
webinar details to the list, but it appears that they aren't visible yet. (I am 
awaiting my confirmation email.)

For those who would like information on the 40% off promotion for FrameMaker 9 
users, you may get full details at this website:
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/promotions.html
Please note that you can only take advantage of the 40% promotion from the 
webpage listed above.

Another alternative that may alleviate any frustrations with upgrade costs is 
to migrate to a FrameMaker 12 subscription. Although you commit to one year 
with this subscription, the monthly rate is only $29. Any updates (including 
major releases) automatically become available to you during your active 
subscription. In the long run, this is possibly the most economical choice. By 
the way, you may recall that with the last release (FrameMaker 11), only Tech 
Comm Suite 4 was available for subscription; not the point products.

I don't know if there has been discussion about FrameMaker XML Author 12 yet. 
This is a new product: a fully functional, end-to-end XML authoring solution 
that is fully compliant with DITA OT. It costs 40% of the price for a full 
perpetual FrameMaker 12 license and is only $19.99 per month for a year's 
subscription. Find out more at: 
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor.html

For those of you not yet familiar with the new product features, here are 3 new 
AdobeTV channels that give quick, mini video demos, and will quickly let you 
know about just a few of the areas with major improvements:

FrameMaker 12 Features: http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-12-features
FrameMaker XML Author 12 Features: 
http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-xml-author-12
FrameMaker Publishing Server 12 Features: 
http://tv.adobe.com/show/framemaker-publishing-server-12

Enjoy!



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From: 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:00 AM

To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released



Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ... 
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a 
"promotional" pricing discount).



Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from 
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be justifiable (for *my* needs ... YMMV). 
Particularly after having spent many dollars on upgrading from version 9 to 10 
to 11 for no real benefit for my needs - these should all have been treated as 
bug fixes.



*And* my final two years of paying for license "upgrades" saw NO benefit at 
all, since there were no upgrades during that period (I paid for the FM 11 
upgrade separately!) ... I kinda feel like I should receive FrameMaker 12 
without any more "upgrade" payments, but I suspect this will not happen.



BTW, the upgrade price from FM 10 is $599. And from earlier versions: $999 ... 
which is same as full cost, so not really an upgrade!



Z



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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:57 PM

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: FrameMaker 12 released



Hi,



FrameMaker 12 is released now.

There are many links with information. See below.



Best regards



Winfried

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