RE: Reproducible FM12 file corruption?
Are you all patched up? Presuming you are, then you should submit a bug report for this and fire off an e-mail with your example and any error log to the TCS support team tcs.supp...@adobe.com or tcs...@adobe.com - this is the stuff that they need to fix this sort of thing. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan Sent: May-30-14 1:31 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Reproducible FM12 file corruption? I've been seeing occasional wonkiness (yes, I know... it's a technical term) since upgrading from FM10 to TCS5 (FM12), but I think I have narrowed at least one of them down to the point where the behavior is reproducible on demand, but I'll be darned if I know what is triggering it. Let's find out if it's just my installation/environment or if it affects others. I'm running TCS5 under Windows 7, 64-bit Enterprise. To try to eliminate character paragraph format catalog issues and template anomalies, once I was able to reproduce the behavior, I tried doing the same in a generic FM file, and am also seeing the behavior there, so that's what I'm going to walk through. I've included screenshots of what I see along the way. 1. Create a new file using the default Portrait blank paper. http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-1.png 2. Copy in a few paragraphs of generic text (I use www.lipsum.com). http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-2.png 3. Save the file. 4. Place your cursor in one of the paragraphs. 5. In the Paragraph Designer, change the Spread to 1% and hit Enter to Apply. http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-3.png 6. Save the file. 7. Press Ctrl+z to undo. 8. WHAMMO! http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-4.png On my system, the margins change completely, as if room for side heads was added. In my main working file it also put footnotes in the middle of pages. Also, it's not just any kind of change prior to a save and then undo that triggers the corruption. Simple text edits do not trigger it, however changes in the paragraph and character designers do. It's not just font attributes, but changing paragraph attributes and applying them, followed by a save and undo will also trigger the corruption. Changing the color of selected text via the tool palette, save, undo, will also trigger it. It appears to be the sequence of (1) anything involving changing *ATTRIBUTES* of text, (2) a save, and (3) an immediate undo, that triggers it. If I do the above steps without a save, the undo does not cause the corruption. It's as if reverting to a pre-save state makes FM go haywire. Now that I know what triggers the page going nuts, I now know what to avoid doing. I would experience this periodically since I'm a save-monkey, and wouldn't know what the heck was going on. Bizarre. Dan Harding Technical Editorial Specialist University of Illinois Tax School ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fit or fitted?
Bastard in this sense: The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. [James Nicoll, in rec.arts.sf-lovers, 1990. Mr Nicoll is a Canadian freelance games and science-fiction reviewer.] -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann Sent: May-30-14 5:55 PM To: Helen Borrie; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Fit or fitted? Hm... Bastard? How so? Tim From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Helen Borrie [hele...@iinet.net.au] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:47 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Fit or fitted? At 12:28 p.m. 30/05/2014, Writer wrote: It's not a verb in this case; it's a predicate adjective. Nadine From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com To: Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.com; Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com) framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:42:49 AM Subject: Re: Fit or fitted? Per Betty Azar, in American English, the present, simple past, and past tense of the verb to fit are all fit. Actually, it's not. The example from the OP used fit as a transitive verb and fitted was applied as the past participle. A pedagogue would rule this usage illegal but English, the bastard language of the world, grows this way. Usage of fit as a transitive verb has become widespread in my lifetime, although I'd have got the red crayon if I used it in a high school composition. Things get muddy when we try to use fit in the passive voice, which is the usage in question here. Intransitive verbs can't be used in passive voice so what do we do? We can try to borrow the past historic of the intransitive verb, which is fit or we can pursue the formation of a participle by regularising it. The members iof the Olympic team were fit for their new uniforms doesn't work. The members of the Olympic team were fitted for their new uniforms seems to. My call would be that the regularising rule applies here. If the OP MUST use passive voice (dubious tech writing practice at best) then make fitted the participle, rather than awkwardly stealing the past historic from the transitive verb. It fits better (sic: intransitive!) with other forward formations that are already in use. Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tp...@telecomsys.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tpann%40telecomsys.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, forwarding, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete it and all attachments from your computer and network. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Reproducible FM12 file corruption?
The bug is reproducible on my computer, too. Mike Wickham On 5/30/2014 12:30 PM, Harding, Dan wrote: I've been seeing occasional wonkiness (yes, I know... it's a technical term) since upgrading from FM10 to TCS5 (FM12), but I think I have narrowed at least one of them down to the point where the behavior is reproducible on demand, but I'll be darned if I know what is triggering it. Let's find out if it's just my installation/environment or if it affects others. I'm running TCS5 under Windows 7, 64-bit Enterprise. To try to eliminate character paragraph format catalog issues and template anomalies, once I was able to reproduce the behavior, I tried doing the same in a generic FM file, and am also seeing the behavior there, so that's what I'm going to walk through. I've included screenshots of what I see along the way. 1. Create a new file using the default Portrait blank paper. http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-1.png 2. Copy in a few paragraphs of generic text (I use www.lipsum.com). http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-2.png 3. Save the file. 4. Place your cursor in one of the paragraphs. 5. In the Paragraph Designer, change the Spread to 1% and hit Enter to Apply. http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-3.png 6. Save the file. 7. Press Ctrl+z to undo. 8. WHAMMO! http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-4.png On my system, the margins change completely, as if room for side heads was added. In my main working file it also put footnotes in the middle of pages. Also, it's not just any kind of change prior to a save and then undo that triggers the corruption. Simple text edits do not trigger it, however changes in the paragraph and character designers do. It's not just font attributes, but changing paragraph attributes and applying them, followed by a save and undo will also trigger the corruption. Changing the color of selected text via the tool palette, save, undo, will also trigger it. It appears to be the sequence of (1) anything involving changing *ATTRIBUTES* of text, (2) a save, and (3) an immediate undo, that triggers it. If I do the above steps without a save, the undo does not cause the corruption. It's as if reverting to a pre-save state makes FM go haywire. Now that I know what triggers the page going nuts, I now know what to avoid doing. I would experience this periodically since I'm a save-monkey, and wouldn't know what the heck was going on. Bizarre. Dan Harding Technical Editorial Specialist University of Illinois Tax School ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@mikewickham.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40mikewickham.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
