RE: Reproducible FM12 file corruption?

2014-05-31 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Are you all patched up? Presuming you are, then you should submit a bug report 
for this and fire off an e-mail with your example and any error log to the TCS 
support team tcs.supp...@adobe.com or tcs...@adobe.com - this is the stuff that 
they need to fix this sort of thing.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
Sent: May-30-14 1:31 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Reproducible FM12 file corruption?

I've been seeing occasional wonkiness (yes, I know... it's a technical term) 
since upgrading from FM10 to TCS5 (FM12), but I think I have narrowed at least 
one of them down to the point where the behavior is reproducible on demand, but 
I'll be darned if I know what is triggering it.

Let's find out if it's just my installation/environment or if it affects others.

I'm running TCS5 under Windows 7, 64-bit Enterprise.

To try to eliminate character  paragraph format catalog issues and template 
anomalies, once I was able to reproduce the behavior, I tried doing the same in 
a generic FM file, and am also seeing the behavior there, so that's what I'm 
going to walk through. I've included screenshots of what I see along the way.

1. Create a new file using the default Portrait blank paper.

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-1.png

2. Copy in a few paragraphs of generic text (I use www.lipsum.com).

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-2.png

3. Save the file.

4. Place your cursor in one of the paragraphs.

5. In the Paragraph Designer, change the Spread to 1% and hit Enter to Apply.

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-3.png

6. Save the file.

7. Press Ctrl+z to undo.

8. WHAMMO! 

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-4.png

On my system, the margins change completely, as if room for side heads was 
added. In my main working file it also put footnotes in the middle of pages.

Also, it's not just any kind of change prior to a save and then undo that 
triggers the corruption. Simple text edits do not trigger it, however changes 
in the paragraph and character designers do. It's not just font attributes, but 
changing paragraph attributes and applying them, followed by a save and undo 
will also trigger the corruption. Changing the color of selected text via the 
tool palette, save, undo, will also trigger it.

It appears to be the sequence of (1) anything involving changing *ATTRIBUTES* 
of text, (2) a save, and (3) an immediate undo, that triggers it. If I do the 
above steps without a save, the undo does not cause the corruption. It's as if 
reverting to a pre-save state makes FM go haywire.

Now that I know what triggers the page going nuts, I now know what to avoid 
doing. I would experience this periodically since I'm a save-monkey, and 
wouldn't know what the heck was going on.

Bizarre.

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
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RE: Fit or fitted?

2014-05-31 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Bastard in this sense:
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English 
is about as pure as a cribhouse  whore. We don't just borrow words; on 
occasion, English  has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them 
unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.

[James Nicoll, in rec.arts.sf-lovers, 1990. Mr Nicoll is a Canadian freelance 
games and science-fiction reviewer.]

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann
Sent: May-30-14 5:55 PM
To: Helen Borrie; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Fit or fitted?

Hm... Bastard? How so?

Tim

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Helen Borrie 
[hele...@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 2:47 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Fit or fitted?

At 12:28 p.m. 30/05/2014, Writer wrote:
It's not a verb in this case; it's a predicate adjective.

Nadine


 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
To: Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.com; Frame Users 
(framers@lists.frameusers.com) framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:42:49 AM
Subject: Re: Fit or fitted?



Per Betty Azar, in American English, the present, simple past, and past tense 
of the verb to fit are all fit.

Actually, it's not.  The example from the OP used fit as a transitive verb 
and fitted was applied as the past participle.  A pedagogue would rule this 
usage illegal but English, the bastard language of the world, grows this way.  
Usage of fit as a transitive verb has become widespread in my lifetime, 
although I'd have got the red crayon if I used it in a high school composition.

Things get muddy when we try to use fit in the passive voice, which is the 
usage in question here.  Intransitive verbs can't be used in passive voice so 
what do we do?  We can try to borrow the past historic of the intransitive 
verb, which is fit or we can pursue the formation of a participle by 
regularising it.  The members iof the Olympic team were fit for their new 
uniforms doesn't work.  The members of the Olympic team were fitted for their 
new uniforms seems to.

My call would be that the regularising rule applies here.  If the OP MUST use 
passive voice (dubious tech writing practice at best) then make fitted the 
participle, rather than awkwardly stealing the past historic from the 
transitive verb. It fits better (sic: intransitive!) with other forward 
formations that are already in use.

Helen


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Re: Reproducible FM12 file corruption?

2014-05-31 Thread Mike Wickham

The bug is reproducible on my computer, too.

Mike Wickham

On 5/30/2014 12:30 PM, Harding, Dan wrote:

I've been seeing occasional wonkiness (yes, I know... it's a technical term) 
since upgrading from FM10 to TCS5 (FM12), but I think I have narrowed at least 
one of them down to the point where the behavior is reproducible on demand, but 
I'll be darned if I know what is triggering it.

Let's find out if it's just my installation/environment or if it affects others.

I'm running TCS5 under Windows 7, 64-bit Enterprise.

To try to eliminate character  paragraph format catalog issues and template 
anomalies, once I was able to reproduce the behavior, I tried doing the same in a 
generic FM file, and am also seeing the behavior there, so that's what I'm going to 
walk through. I've included screenshots of what I see along the way.

1. Create a new file using the default Portrait blank paper.

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-1.png

2. Copy in a few paragraphs of generic text (I use www.lipsum.com).

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-2.png

3. Save the file.

4. Place your cursor in one of the paragraphs.

5. In the Paragraph Designer, change the Spread to 1% and hit Enter to Apply.

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-3.png

6. Save the file.

7. Press Ctrl+z to undo.

8. WHAMMO!

http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-4.png

On my system, the margins change completely, as if room for side heads was 
added. In my main working file it also put footnotes in the middle of pages.

Also, it's not just any kind of change prior to a save and then undo that 
triggers the corruption. Simple text edits do not trigger it, however changes 
in the paragraph and character designers do. It's not just font attributes, but 
changing paragraph attributes and applying them, followed by a save and undo 
will also trigger the corruption. Changing the color of selected text via the 
tool palette, save, undo, will also trigger it.

It appears to be the sequence of (1) anything involving changing *ATTRIBUTES* 
of text, (2) a save, and (3) an immediate undo, that triggers it. If I do the 
above steps without a save, the undo does not cause the corruption. It's as if 
reverting to a pre-save state makes FM go haywire.

Now that I know what triggers the page going nuts, I now know what to avoid 
doing. I would experience this periodically since I'm a save-monkey, and 
wouldn't know what the heck was going on.

Bizarre.

Dan Harding
Technical Editorial Specialist
University of Illinois Tax School
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