RE: . PDF query

[Davis, David]

Microsoft’s problem? –
If you mean that FrameMaker utilises a near-obsolete Windows API that’s been 
around since the Windows 3.0 (or something like that), and Adobe (despite 
charging us for half a dozen expensive “new versions” in the intervening years) 
haven’t reauthored their software yet to work in a better way, then I agree ☺


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From: Scott Turner [mailto:qui...@airmail.net]
Sent: 20 October 2014 22:46
To: Davis, David
Cc: Lin Sims; Böðvar Björgvinsson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: . PDF query

The reason this hasn't been "fixed" is that it's a Microsoft OS problem, not a 
FrameMaker problem. It's been made better, but Microsoft is still the culprit. 
Under the Apple OS, this was a non-problem because there was no translation 
from CMYK to RGB. They were separate attributes.

On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:16, Davis, David 
mailto:david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com>>
 wrote:
A recurring problem is that Dov Isaacs says something, and it’s repeated like a 
mantra by everyone for the next 15 years even when subsequent changes may have 
made that particular advice obsolete…
But then we also have situation when Dov tells that the advice *is* still 
relevant, but for some reason it still hasn’t made it into the actual 
FrameMaker help files.
I’m undecided as to which scenario is to more annoying ☺

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: 20 October 2014 15:59
To: Böðvar Björgvinsson
Cc: Davis, David; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: . PDF query

My recollection may be faulty, but I seem to recall Dov Isaacs saying the 
issues with Save As PDF had been fixed a while ago.
Now if they can just fix the broken Esc keyboard shortcuts.
Lin

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Böðvar Björgvinsson 
mailto:bod...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Since I started seriously learning FrameMaker (7.0) I have always been advised 
against using SaveAs PDF but instead print to file using whatever the name has 
been each version of the Adobe PostScript printer engine. Takes af few more 
clicks but saves a lot of trouble.

Still do it several versions higher.

Regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


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RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

[Davis, David]

Try this thread for some exploration of these issues. I really do not think 
"colour correctness of the monitor" is the problem here. It's just that 
FrameMaker's colour handling hasn't been updated since about 1988...   
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1495005

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:35:13 -0500
From: Craig Ede 
To: "i...@heiko-haida.de" , framers

Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Given the theoretical differences I'm not sure why you would expect RGB output 
of CMYK colors to be close to what CMYK color should looks like.

Think of it this way, if you choose a Pantone color as a spot color, you'd 
expect it to print exactly like as that Pantone color to paper. But to the 
screen, who knows? It's be "close" but depends on the color correctness of the 
particular monitor.

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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Rebecca...

I'm not aware of a way to do this via EDD .. I think scripting or a 
plugin is your best bet. I do have a plugin called StructureSnippets 
that (among other things) will let you wrap a specified 
element/attribute in a predefined structure (like a table). I'm not sure 
how you'd use it to wrap two cells though .. perhaps multiple passes 
over the content? You could also use FrameSLT from West Street 
Consulting, which (also among many other things) lets you wrap 
elements/attributes in other elements. Both of these plugins can be run 
programmatically. However, your best bet may be to write some script 
that does exactly what you want.


Remember that however you solve this, you should be able to add the 
calling script into the DITA-FMx book-build process so that the 
processing is done as part of the map to book creation process.


Hmm .. you *could* do this via XSLT. In theory you should be able to add 
a template to the bookmap2fmbook.xsl file, which is run as part of the 
default DITA-FMx book-build process. Depending on the programming skills 
at your disposal, either ExtendScript or XSLT should be able to get you 
where you're trying to go.


Cheers,

...scott

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On 10/20/14 10:15 PM, Rebecca Officer wrote:

Hi everyone

When we publish PDFs from our DITA source files, we want to put our tasks in 
tables.

I think that means we want to change the steps element into a 2-column table, 
such that every step becomes a row. Text from the cmd element would go into the 
first column, and text from the info element would go into the second column.

Is it possible to do this through the EDD (or the read/write rules)? Or is 
there a plug-in that'd do it? I've poked at the EDD syntax but I couldn't see 
anything likely. If not, we'll do it through a script, but I wanted to check 
with people here before going down that path.

We're publishing through DITA-FMx, in case that makes a difference.

Thanks very much
Rebecca



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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Jang F.M. Graat]

Hi Rebecca,

As you need to produce PDFs, you do need the result of the transformation in 
FM. Changing the EDD is not an options, as that would take you out of the DITA 
standard (and changing the DITA EDDs in FM is almost impossible to start with - 
I tried and it really is horrible).

Using scripts in FM to change the DITA steps into table rows has the same 
problem, as it will invalidate your DITA sources. You could do this but you 
would have to completely convert the task into a reference topic. That is a 
major difficulty and should be avoided as well.

This leaves you with one possible scenario: do the transform using XSL when 
preparing the materials for output to PDF. You can use the standard read-write 
rules in FM to write the DITA files to XML and read them back. Then add an XSL 
transform to the import from DITA XML which transforms the steps into table 
rows. This will leave you with non-standard XML looking like DITA, but as this 
material is only created to produce a PDF and not for further editing you 
should be OK.

Note that this transformation has to be done after all other steps in 
processing the DITA materials (i.e. resolving conrefs and links etc.). It 
should be the last step before producing the PDF, as the materials will not be 
valid DITA anymore when the XSL transform was done.

If you have any questions or need help in getting this to work, drop me an 
e-mail.

Kind regards

Jang

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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Rebecca,

interesting question. Theoretically it should be possible to 'translate’ the 
steps element into a FrameMaker table, for presentation, just like we do with 
the properties element. 
It would put some heavy constraints on your content however, as each step must 
have exactly one cmd and one info element. 

You’ll need to adapt the read/write rules and the EDD. I just did a test and it 
seems to work. Look at the constructs for the property element in the reference 
rules and EDD to see how you can set it up. This what I’ve got in the rules 
file:

  /* steps */
element "steps" {
  is fm table element;
  fm property columns value is "2";
  attribute "props" is fm property column widths;
  }

fm element "fm-stepsbody" unwrap;
element "step" {
  is fm table row element;
  fm property row type value is "Body";
  }
element "cmd" is fm table cell element;
element "info" is fm table cell element;

(note: I used default FM DITA, not DITA-fmx yet)(note: I left out the table 
heading ….)

To make it work in the EDD I made  to be Element (Table), where general 
rule is fm-stepsbody.
Then  has step+ and  (Table Row) has cmd, info.
cmd and info are both Table Cell.

Actually, in a task topic this works like a charm and is a perfect template to 
make 'clean' tasks. 
Using (cmd, info) as the general rule for step makes inserting and adding steps 
very easy.

In the WYSIWYG view I can see a table, while in the XML view I can see the 
correct steps xml code.

Thanks for the suggestion ….

Then 
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel

November 11-13 TcWorld 2014  
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DITA content management with DITAToo 

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Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Scott Prentice]

Nice .. very cool. Thanks Wim!

...scott

Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. 

> On Oct 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rebecca,
> 
> interesting question. Theoretically it should be possible to 'translate’ the 
> steps element into a FrameMaker table, for presentation, just like we do with 
> the properties element. 
> It would put some heavy constraints on your content however, as each step 
> must have exactly one cmd and one info element. 
> 
> You’ll need to adapt the read/write rules and the EDD. I just did a test and 
> it seems to work. Look at the constructs for the property element in the 
> reference rules and EDD to see how you can set it up. This what I’ve got in 
> the rules file:
> 
>   /* steps */
> element "steps" {
>   is fm table element;
>   fm property columns value is "2";
>   attribute "props" is fm property column widths;
>   }
> 
> fm element "fm-stepsbody" unwrap;
> element "step" {
>   is fm table row element;
>   fm property row type value is "Body";
>   }
> element "cmd" is fm table cell element;
> element "info" is fm table cell element;
> 
> (note: I used default FM DITA, not DITA-fmx yet)(note: I left out the table 
> heading ….)
> 
> To make it work in the EDD I made  to be Element (Table), where 
> general rule is fm-stepsbody.
> Then  has step+ and  (Table Row) has cmd, info.
> cmd and info are both Table Cell.
> 
> Actually, in a task topic this works like a charm and is a perfect template 
> to make 'clean' tasks. 
> Using (cmd, info) as the general rule for step makes inserting and adding 
> steps very easy.
> 
> In the WYSIWYG view I can see a table, while in the XML view I can see the 
> correct steps xml code.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion ….
> 
> Then 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
>  
> Wim Hooghwinkel
> 
> November 11-13 TcWorld 2014 
> Closing the loop with FontoXML
> DITA content management with DITAToo
> 
> tel. +31652036811
> Skype wimhooghwinkel
> Twitter @idtp @ien2013
> i...@idtp.eu 
> www.idtp.eu
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RE: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Rebecca Officer]

Hi Wim

Thanks very much! I’m impressed.

I’ll have to think about the restriction of each step having exactly one cmd 
and one info element. That could be good for us – forcing us to keep our 
procedures simple.

Cheers
Rebecca

From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2014 9:40 a.m.
To: Rebecca Officer
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

Hi Rebecca,

interesting question. Theoretically it should be possible to 'translate’ the 
steps element into a FrameMaker table, for presentation, just like we do with 
the properties element.
It would put some heavy constraints on your content however, as each step must 
have exactly one cmd and one info element.

You’ll need to adapt the read/write rules and the EDD. I just did a test and it 
seems to work. Look at the constructs for the property element in the reference 
rules and EDD to see how you can set it up. This what I’ve got in the rules 
file:

  /* steps */
element "steps" {
  is fm table element;
  fm property columns value is "2";
  attribute "props" is fm property column widths;
  }

fm element "fm-stepsbody" unwrap;
element "step" {
  is fm table row element;
  fm property row type value is "Body";
  }
element "cmd" is fm table cell element;
element "info" is fm table cell element;

(note: I used default FM DITA, not DITA-fmx yet)(note: I left out the table 
heading ….)

To make it work in the EDD I made  to be Element (Table), where general 
rule is fm-stepsbody.
Then  has step+ and  (Table Row) has cmd, info.
cmd and info are both Table Cell.

Actually, in a task topic this works like a charm and is a perfect template to 
make 'clean' tasks.
Using (cmd, info) as the general rule for step makes inserting and adding steps 
very easy.

In the WYSIWYG view I can see a table, while in the XML view I can see the 
correct steps xml code.

Thanks for the suggestion ….

Then
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

Wim Hooghwinkel

November 11-13 TcWorld 2014
Closing the loop with FontoXML
DITA content management with DITAToo

tel. +31652036811
Skype wimhooghwinkel
Twitter @idtp @ien2013
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Frame 9 Crashing - Can't Create PDFs

[Craig, Alison]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

I have no idea what's going on, but I'm on deadline for release (naturally) and 
Frame 9 has suddenly become very unstable during PDF creation.

I generally create PDFs with Print Book and distilling to PDF. But I'm getting 
crash after crash with this method as well as with Save as PDF. There was a 
point where I could at least print one file at a time to PDF (by either 
method), but this is no longer true.

When I have actually managed to get the postscript file to completion, I get 
the following error when I distill. It means nothing to me. Does anyone 
recognize it?

%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
%%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: xshow ]%%

Stack:
-dict-
/d


%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
%%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%



I've tried a MIF wash, but it didn't help.

I went back to a September 12 copy of the Book (using Visual Source Safe files) 
that I know worked just fine because I built 4 Review copies from them. But 
they crash as well.

The only thing I can think of is that when I had computer problems last week, 
something got corrupted - to the point where I should reinstall Frame 9 and 
Acrobat (IT is coming in the morning to check out my computer's stability).

If I do reinstall Frame 9 (and 4 updates), do I need to reinstall Acrobat, 
first or last? I have a vague recollection of a preferred order so Distiller 
works correctly

Alison


Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
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