Suggested workflows for single-sourcing with FrameMaker - RoboHelp + P4V

2015-01-02 Thread Spencer Huff

Good day everyone,

For the last few years, my company has been working towards 
single-sourcing the documentation we create (e.g. user manuals and 
integrated program help) for all of our products. We have one big 
product and quite a few smaller products, with each one having its own 
user manual and integrated help.  We use Adobe FrameMaker 11 and 
RoboHelp 10 to create and manage the content for our user manuals and 
integrated help respectively. We also use Perforce P4V for version 
control. Content typically is authored in FrameMaker first before being 
exported into RoboHelp as a .book file, which is then used to build our 
integrated help system.


Currently, half of our smaller products are single-sourced while the 
rest are curated by hand. We'd eventually like to have all of our 
products be single-sourced.  However, even with the products that are 
already single-sourced, we're having some issues with how our authoring 
software interacts with our version-control software. We've also had 
problems converting back and forth between .FM and .MIF formats. My 
question here is two-fold.


First, what is a good workflow(s) for single-sourcing content using 
FrameMaker, RoboHelp, and version control software?  Second, are there 
are other tools that we could use for such a workflow?  For instance, 
there's been some consideration about switching from FrameMaker to 
MadCap Flare. What is MadCap Flare better at doing than FM for 
single-sourcing?  What can be done to convert from using FM to MadCap 
Flare?  What would be potentially lost in doing
such a switch?  We've also been considering switch to the Adobe Creative 
Cloud, but before we make a decision one way or another, we'd like to 
nail these details down.


Any and all insight would be greatly appreciated.  If further details 
are required, I'd be happy to give them to the best of my ability.


--
Spencer C. Huff
Corporate Communications Specialist
TerraSim, Inc.  (412) 232-3646 x 23
One Gateway Center, Suite 2050  (412) 232-3649 (Fax)
420 Fort Duquesne Blvd  s...@terrasim.com
Pittsburgh, PA 15222http://www.terrasim.com

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Re: RoboHelp or Frame to confluence

2015-01-02 Thread Art Campbell
If I had to do it, and I'd *strongly *resist because Confluence isn't
really built to do this at the level most of us would like... I'd save from
Frame to Word or RTF and import the Word file as a Confluence page(s). You
could then export the corrected pages to either Word or PDF and bring them
back in or input the changes manuall.

A step better, but still a PITA, would be to output from Frame to PDF or
Word and save those files as attachments to a Confluence page.

Getting the comments and changes cut in in Acrobat or Word with Track
Changes would be worlds better than using Confluence to track changes.

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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:17 PM, gill6...@comcast.net wrote:

 Happy New Year everyone!

 I am using Structured Frame and doing DITA in Tech Comm Suite 5. Some of
 my SMEs want to proofread everything in Confluence. What is the best
 method/format to export from Frame or Robohelp to Confluence?

 Thanks
 Gillian

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Re: RoboHelp or Frame to confluence

2015-01-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
I find Confluence vastly superior to using Word's track changes or PDF
comments, though it can't integrate with FrameMaker (or Flare)
directly.

FrameMaker  Word  Confluence is the best kludge I've found.

https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4

Confluence's Word import has a bunch of bugs Atlassian apparently will
never fix:

https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/OFFCONN-53
https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/OFFCONN-54
https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/OFFCONN-56

However, if you're just putting it on Confluence for feedback from
SMEs, maybe those won't matter.

The feature that splits the Word document into multiple pages based on
headings works only if you use the default Word heading style names.

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 SMEs want to proofread everything in Confluence. What is the best
 method/format to export from Frame or Robohelp to Confluence?
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Re: Page count even or no

2015-01-02 Thread Michael Norton
For our main user manuals and training guides, the PDFs are set up just like a 
regular book, with odd/even layouts and an even number of pages. I use roman 
numerals for the front material. As for the odd/even layouts, our design 
doesn't include a scholar's margin, so it really just affects the 
headers/footers - and shouldn't affect on-screen viewing to much. We feel that 
while some users will view these books on-line, many users will print these 
books and design them accordingly.

We also have minor documents that are typically attached to a knowledge base 
article. Most of these do not have a ToC and are single-file documents. For 
these documents I omit blank pages and there is no front material.




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Re: Suggested workflows for single-sourcing with FrameMaker - RoboHelp + P4V

2015-01-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
Source control *should not* be relevant to single-sourcing except
insofar as you might automate builds with scripts.

I've never had a problem using .fm files with source control. If
you're converting to .mif on the theory that P4 requires it, that's
not true.

I did not find RoboHelp 9 at all source-control friendly. It was hard
or impossible to identify exactly which files were source that needed
to be under control and which were generated that should not be. Just
opening and closing a project without making any changes updated a
slew of files.

Easy source control configuration was a minor benefit of switching
from RoboHelp to ePublisher Pro. Basically there was just one file
that defined the project plus maybe one other file if you used a
certain optional feature.

At least with FrameMaker 10 and RoboHelp 9, Adobe had not properly
documented how to link FrameMaker source to a RoboHelp project so that
you don't need to do anything in RoboHelp except configure the output
settings. I documented that for my own purposes and created and
documented a sample product for future reference:

http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip

All else being equal I'll take FrameMaker over Flare for the WYSIWYG
preview of PDF output while writing and editing.


On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Spencer Huff s...@terrasim.com wrote:
 Good day everyone,

 For the last few years, my company has been working towards single-sourcing
 the documentation we create (e.g. user manuals and integrated program help)
 for all of our products. We have one big product and quite a few smaller
 products, with each one having its own user manual and integrated help.  We
 use Adobe FrameMaker 11 and RoboHelp 10 to create and manage the content for
 our user manuals and integrated help respectively. We also use Perforce P4V
 for version control. Content typically is authored in FrameMaker first
 before being exported into RoboHelp as a .book file, which is then used to
 build our integrated help system.

 Currently, half of our smaller products are single-sourced while the rest
 are curated by hand. We'd eventually like to have all of our products be
 single-sourced.  However, even with the products that are already
 single-sourced, we're having some issues with how our authoring software
 interacts with our version-control software. We've also had problems
 converting back and forth between .FM and .MIF formats. My question here is
 two-fold.

 First, what is a good workflow(s) for single-sourcing content using
 FrameMaker, RoboHelp, and version control software?  Second, are there are
 other tools that we could use for such a workflow?  For instance, there's
 been some consideration about switching from FrameMaker to MadCap Flare.
 What is MadCap Flare better at doing than FM for single-sourcing?  What can
 be done to convert from using FM to MadCap Flare?  What would be potentially
 lost in doing
 such a switch?  We've also been considering switch to the Adobe Creative
 Cloud, but before we make a decision one way or another, we'd like to nail
 these details down.

 Any and all insight would be greatly appreciated.  If further details are
 required, I'd be happy to give them to the best of my ability.

 --
 Spencer C. Huff
 Corporate Communications Specialist
 TerraSim, Inc.  (412) 232-3646 x 23
 One Gateway Center, Suite 2050  (412) 232-3649 (Fax)
 420 Fort Duquesne Blvd  s...@terrasim.com
 Pittsburgh, PA 15222http://www.terrasim.com

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Re: Setup has detected . . .

2015-01-02 Thread Ken Poshedly
Hey Tom,

At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall 
Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup.

And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup 
window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish button 
and when you click on it, the whole thing closes.

No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this or 
that.

And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an 
issue.

Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas.

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Friday, January 2, 2015 10:27 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 



Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure you 
uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to enable 
pdf printing. Load acrobat next. 

Tom Beiswenger
Manager, technical  training documentation
Bucher Emhart Glass


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:


I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new 
motherboard (MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the 
recommendation of a friend who's en electrical engineer and services control 
systems at various industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house is 
probably wired better than any computer store. And he has helped out at 
various times in the past, so I trust his opinion.

The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
partition is for my data folders and files.

Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and 
D drives onto my external hard drive.

I then
 deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; I could 
find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.

Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
button during these tests) and it runs fine.

But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
(splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected 
that you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now 
terminate and the OK button.

I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but 
exactly as a pdf file.

So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
don't know where to go from here. Is there
 a registry listing or something that I should edit? And if so, where and how?


I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
RE-install.


Cripe. What a way to start the new year.



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Re: Setup has detected . . .

2015-01-02 Thread tom . beiswenger
Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure you 
uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to enable 
pdf printing. Load acrobat next. 

Tom Beiswenger
Manager, technical  training documentation
Bucher Emhart Glass

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new 
 motherboard (MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the 
 recommendation of a friend who's en electrical engineer and services control 
 systems at various industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house 
 is probably wired better than any computer store. And he has helped out at 
 various times in the past, so I trust his opinion.
 
 The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
 partition is for my data folders and files.
 
 Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and 
 D drives onto my external hard drive.
 
 I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; 
 I could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.
 
 Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
 button during these tests) and it runs fine.
 
 But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
 (splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected 
 that you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now 
 terminate and the OK button.
 
 I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but 
 exactly as a pdf file.
 
 So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
 with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
 don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something 
 that I should edit? And if so, where and how?
 
 I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
 RE-install.
 
 Cripe. What a way to start the new year.
 
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Setup has detected . . .

2015-01-02 Thread Ken Poshedly
I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new motherboard 
(MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the recommendation of a 
friend who's en electrical engineer and services control systems at various 
industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house is probably wired 
better than any computer store. And he has helped out at various times in the 
past, so I trust his opinion.

The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
partition is for my data folders and files.

Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and D 
drives onto my external hard drive.

I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; I 
could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.

Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
button during these tests) and it runs fine.

But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
(splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected that 
you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now terminate 
and the OK button.

I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but exactly 
as a pdf file.

So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something that 
I should edit? And if so, where and how?

I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
RE-install.

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RE: Can FrameMaker 12 run in Linux?

2015-01-02 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Ah, darn.

Thanks for the info.

Z

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Subject: Re: Can FrameMaker 12 run in Linux?

Doesn't look like it, which doesn't surprise me:

https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=framemakersearch=app:

https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search/?name=adobe+acrobatsearch=app

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
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 Has anyone successfully run FrameMaker 12 on any version/distribution 
 of Linux? If so, which version and what did you do to make it possible?
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Re: Can FrameMaker 12 run in Linux?

2015-01-02 Thread Robert Lauriston
Doesn't look like it, which doesn't surprise me:

https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=framemakersearch=app:

https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search/?name=adobe+acrobatsearch=app

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 Has anyone successfully run FrameMaker 12 on any version/distribution of
 Linux? If so, which version and what did you do to make it possible?
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Re: Setup has detected . . .

2015-01-02 Thread Writer
Cripe. What a way to start the new year.


Oh, I don't know. I thought that happened in Jan 2013: 
http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2013-January/027553.html

;-)

I hope Tom's suggestion does the trick.

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RE: Setup has detected . . .

2015-01-02 Thread Fred Ridder
Do you by any chance have Adobe Reader X or Adobe Reader XI installed? Either 
of these would be detected by the Acrobat 9 installer as a newer Adobe 
application for reading PDFs, and most likely cause it to bail out of the 
Acrobat installation.

And FWIW, Acrobat 9 had some security issues that may or may not have been 
patched because version 9 is now two versions out of date.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:38:58 -0800
From: poshe...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . .
To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Hey Tom,
At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall 
Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup.
And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup 
window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish button 
and when you click on it, the whole thing closes.
No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this or 
that.
And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an 
issue.
Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas.
-- Ken in Atlanta 

 On Friday, January 2, 2015 10:27 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 

 Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure you 
uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to enable 
pdf printing. Load acrobat next. Tom BeiswengerManager, technical  training 
documentationBucher Emhart GlassSent from my iPhoneOn Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, 
Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new motherboard 
(MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the recommendation of a 
friend who's en electrical engineer and services control systems at various 
industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house is probably wired 
better than any computer store. And he has helped out at various times in the 
past, so I trust his opinion.The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my 
programs and the D-drive partition is for my data folders and files.Before 
doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and D
 drives onto my external hard drive.I then
 deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; I could 
find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.Now, after the 
upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial button during 
these tests) and it runs fine.But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, 
right after the opening (splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, 
Setup has detected that you already have a more functional product installed. 
Setup will now terminate and the OK button.I noted that when I open an 
existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but exactly as a pdf file.So I once more 
uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but with no luck. The 
same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I don't know where to go 
from here. Is there
 a registry listing or something that I should edit? And if so, where and how?I 
understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
RE-install.Cripe. What a way to start the new 
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Re: Setup has detected . . .

2015-01-02 Thread Ken Poshedly
Nope (to your first paragraph questions).

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 On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you by any chance have Adobe Reader X or Adobe Reader XI installed? Either 
 of these would be detected by the Acrobat 9 installer as a newer Adobe 
 application for reading PDFs, and most likely cause it to bail out of the 
 Acrobat installation.
 
 And FWIW, Acrobat 9 had some security issues that may or may not have been 
 patched because version 9 is now two versions out of date.
 
 -Fred Ridder
 
 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:38:58 -0800
 From: poshe...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . .
 To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Hey Tom,
 
 At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall 
 Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup.
 
 And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup 
 window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish 
 button and when you click on it, the whole thing closes.
 
 No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this 
 or that.
 
 And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an 
 issue.
 
 Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas.
 
 -- Ken in Atlanta
 
 
 On Friday, January 2, 2015 10:27 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
 tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 
 
 Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure 
 you uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to 
 enable pdf printing. Load acrobat next. 
 
 Tom Beiswenger
 Manager, technical  training documentation
 Bucher Emhart Glass
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new 
 motherboard (MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the 
 recommendation of a friend who's en electrical engineer and services control 
 systems at various industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house 
 is probably wired better than any computer store. And he has helped out at 
 various times in the past, so I trust his opinion.
 
 The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
 partition is for my data folders and files.
 
 Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and 
 D drives onto my external hard drive.
 
 I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; 
 I could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.
 
 Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
 button during these tests) and it runs fine.
 
 But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
 (splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected 
 that you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now 
 terminate and the OK button.
 
 I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but 
 exactly as a pdf file.
 
 So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
 with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
 don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something 
 that I should edit? And if so, where and how?
 
 I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
 RE-install.
 
 Cripe. What a way to start the new year.
 
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