Re: Setup has detected . . .

[Ken Poshedly]

You got it, David. You got it.

As said earlier and after much frustration, I finally uninstalled ALL the Adobe 
things and THEN successfully installed Acrobat Pro 9.

Afterwards, I re-installed FrameMaker 10, but WITHOUT the PDF Creation 
"fiendish-thingy" (a la Yellow Submarine).

I mistakenly believed uninstalling FrameMaker 10 the first time would also 
uninstall its hangers-on, but obviously NOT.

-- Ken





On Friday, January 9, 2015 4:00 PM, David Artman  wrote:
 

>
>
>Hopefully I'm not too late to help!
> 
>I actually got a new system at work today and fully rebuilt my production 
>environment before lunch (FM8 + CS5 & AcroPro9 & oXygen & all updates across 
>the system).
> 
>As it wasn't my first rodeo with Frame and the terrible PDF support, I knew to 
>do the following:
>1) Install FM8 but DO NOT install "PDF Creation" from the FM disk (8 prompts; 
>later it might be a checkbox).
>2) Install all FM8 updates, in order, from the web. 
>3) Install PhotoShop and Illustrator ONLY from CS5.
>4) Install Acrobat Pro 9, full (even all language support).
>5) Install all my other helpers and oXygen (we are in transition to DITA/XML).
>6) Run Windows Update. Twice.
>7) Update Java (incidental; we use vCloud Director).
>8) THEN run Adobe Updater.
> 
>Done. The critical step, as your friend deduced, is not to let FrameMaker do 
>ANYTHING to setup Acrobat, Distiller, PDF Printer, etc: nothing. And only 
>install Acrobat Pro after ALL other Adobe products are installed: let it do 
>it's thing without any chance of something dumber coming along and "fixing" it.
> 
>HTH;
>David
>
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RE: Setup has detected . . .

[David Artman]

Hopefully I'm not too late to help!
 
I actually got a new system at work today and fully rebuilt my production environment before lunch (FM8 + CS5 & AcroPro9 & oXygen & all updates across the system).
 
As it wasn't my first rodeo with Frame and the terrible PDF support, I knew to do the following:
1) Install FM8 but DO NOT install "PDF Creation" from the FM disk (8 prompts; later it might be a checkbox).
2) Install all FM8 updates, in order, from the web. 
3) Install PhotoShop and Illustrator ONLY from CS5.
4) Install Acrobat Pro 9, full (even all language support).
5) Install all my other helpers and oXygen (we are in transition to DITA/XML).
6) Run Windows Update. Twice.
7) Update Java (incidental; we use vCloud Director).
8) THEN run Adobe Updater.
 
Done. The critical step, as your friend deduced, is not to let FrameMaker do ANYTHING to setup Acrobat, Distiller, PDF Printer, etc: nothing. And only install Acrobat Pro after ALL other Adobe products are installed: let it do it's thing without any chance of something dumber coming along and "fixing" it.
 
HTH;
David
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RE: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Christenson, Pat]

Thanks!

This group has been so helpful with my questions so it really felt good to 
“give back.”

Pat

From: David Artman [mailto:da...@davidartman.com]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 2:36 PM
To: Christenson, Pat; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

THAT, is a clever hack, Pat! As soon as I read "one-cell" I was smacking my 
forehead.

DCA
 Original Message 
From: "Christenson, Pat" 
mailto:pchristen...@ftportfolios.com>>
Date: Fri, January 09, 2015 2:51 pm

Here's a workaround for underlining the screen cap (if I understand the problem 
correctly):

Create a one-cell table.
Place the image & anchored frame in the cell.
Use Custom Ruling & Shading to set a custom ruling on the bottom border of the 
cell.
Use Table Designer to adjust the Bottom Cell Margin to move the bottom border 
closer or further from the frame.

Pat Christenson
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RE: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[David Artman]

THAT, is a clever hack, Pat! As soon as I read "one-cell" I was smacking my forehead. 
 
DCA

 Original Message From: "Christenson, Pat" Date: Fri, January 09, 2015 2:51 pmHere's a workaround for underlining the screen cap (if I understand the problem correctly):Create a one-cell table.Place the image & anchored frame in the cell.Use Custom Ruling & Shading to set a custom ruling on the bottom border of the cell.Use Table Designer to adjust the Bottom Cell Margin to move the bottom border closer or further from the frame.Pat Christenson
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RE: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Christenson, Pat]

Here's a workaround for underlining the screen cap (if I understand the problem 
correctly):

Create a one-cell table.
Place the image & anchored frame in the cell.
Use Custom Ruling & Shading to set a custom ruling on the bottom border of the 
cell.
Use Table Designer to adjust the Bottom Cell Margin to move the bottom border 
closer or further from the frame.

Pat Christenson


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gary Bankston
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 1:17 PM
To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

place your anchored frame, use the graphics bar to set line fill and color

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:06 AM,   wrote:
> What about the anchored frame. Is there a way to draw a border around 
> the frame?
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - 
> Inspection Business Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
> 1140 Sullivan St.
> Elmira, NY 14901
> PH: +607 735-4279
> FX: +607 734-8278
> Mobile: +607 769-4779
> Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
>
>
>
> From:Heiko Haida 
> To:framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date:01/09/2015 10:17 AM
> Subject:Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)
> Sent by:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> 
>
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I do not know any way to change the underlining parameters.
> I am not sure, but I guess this may not even be accessible via 
> scripting as there are no plugins available for this purpose.
>
> How about using the new "background color" feature or the "para box" 
> feature instead of underlining? This may look well with a 10% black e.g.
> Or you could use a "frame below pgf", but the resulting line would 
> always have a fixed length (like with footnotes).
>
> Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>
>
> tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com:
>
> I am trying to make some design changes to our machine manuals. 
> Currently, all graphics are in anchored frames that are placed within a 
> special table.
> They look great in print, but tables don't scale well if you plan to 
> also publish for use on a tablet.
>
> I have 2 problems.
>
> 1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but 
> can't find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this.
>
> 2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I 
> choose "underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line 
> is too close to the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is 
> there a way to adjust the position of the underline so that it is just 
> below a character's descender?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - 
> Inspection Business Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
> 1140 Sullivan St.
> Elmira, NY 14901
> PH: +607 735-4279
> FX: +607 734-8278
> Mobile: +607 769-4779
> Email:
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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Gary Bankston]

place your anchored frame, use the graphics bar to set line fill and color

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:06 AM,   wrote:
> What about the anchored frame. Is there a way to draw a border around the
> frame?
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
> Business
> Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
> 1140 Sullivan St.
> Elmira, NY 14901
> PH: +607 735-4279
> FX: +607 734-8278
> Mobile: +607 769-4779
> Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
>
>
>
> From:Heiko Haida 
> To:framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date:01/09/2015 10:17 AM
> Subject:Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)
> Sent by:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> 
>
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> I do not know any way to change the underlining parameters.
> I am not sure, but I guess this may not even be accessible via scripting as
> there are no plugins available for this purpose.
>
> How about using the new "background color" feature or the "para box" feature
> instead of underlining? This may look well with a 10% black e.g.
> Or you could use a "frame below pgf", but the resulting line would always
> have a fixed length (like with footnotes).
>
> Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>
>
> tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com:
>
> I am trying to make some design changes to our machine manuals. Currently,
> all graphics are in anchored frames that are placed within a special table.
> They look great in print, but tables don't scale well if you plan to also
> publish for use on a tablet.
>
> I have 2 problems.
>
> 1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't
> find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this.
>
> 2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I choose
> "underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line is too close
> to the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is there a way to adjust
> the position of the underline so that it is just below a character's
> descender?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tom Beiswenger
> Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
> Business
> Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
> 1140 Sullivan St.
> Elmira, NY 14901
> PH: +607 735-4279
> FX: +607 734-8278
> Mobile: +607 769-4779
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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Tom,

you can use the object style designer to create an object style that puts a 
border on the frame. Apply the object style just as you would apply a paragraph 
format.

BTW: I would think that a table will scale when published to HTML for tablet 
use? It may depend on how you publish the Fm files.


Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
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Information Energy , June 3 2015
Closing the loop with FontoXML 
DITA content management with DITAToo 

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> Op 9 jan. 2015, om 19:00 heeft framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> 1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't 
> find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this.


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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Klaus Daube]

On 9 Jan 2015 at 8:18, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:


> 1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but
> can't find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do
> this. 
Just use the graphic tools (line width, pen pattern, colour) to apply a border to the 
frame:



> 2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I
> choose "underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line
> is too close to the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is
> there a way to adjust the position of the underline so that it is just
> below a character's descender? 


If you use underline (math) you get a better appearance than with standard 
underlining. Yes, there no screw to turn the distance of the line...



HTH
Klaus Daube


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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[tom . beiswenger]

What about the anchored frame. Is there a way to draw a border around the 
frame?




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
FX: +607 734-8278
Mobile: +607 769-4779
Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com



From:   Heiko Haida 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date:   01/09/2015 10:17 AM
Subject:Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)
Sent by:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com



Hi Tom,
I do not know any way to change the underlining parameters. 
I am not sure, but I guess this may not even be accessible via scripting 
as there are no plugins available for this purpose.
How about using the new "background color" feature or the "para box" 
feature instead of underlining? This may look well with a 10% black e.g.
Or you could use a "frame below pgf", but the resulting line would always 
have a fixed length (like with footnotes).
Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin
 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com:
I am trying to make some design changes to our machine manuals. Currently, 
all graphics are in anchored frames that are placed within a special 
table. They look great in print, but tables don't scale well if you plan 
to also publish for use on a tablet. 

I have 2 problems. 

1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't 
find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this. 

2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I choose 
"underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line is too close 
to the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is there a way to 
adjust the position of the underline so that it is just below a 
character's descender? 




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
FX: +607 734-8278
Mobile: +607 769-4779
Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
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RE: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tom,

 

There is no way to adjust the underline position in FrameMaker.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 8:18 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

 

I am trying to make some design changes to our machine manuals. Currently,
all graphics are in anchored frames that are placed within a special table.
They look great in print, but tables don't scale well if you plan to also
publish for use on a tablet. 

I have 2 problems. 

1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't
find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this. 

2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I choose
"underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line is too close
to the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is there a way to adjust
the position of the underline so that it is just below a character's
descender? 




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
FX: +607 734-8278
Mobile: +607 769-4779
Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com

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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Steve Rickaby]

At 16:15 +0100 9/1/15, Heiko Haida wrote:

>How about using the new "background color" feature or the "para box" feature 
>instead of underlining? This may look well with a 10% black e.g.
>Or you could use a "frame below pgf", but the resulting line would always have 
>a fixed length (like with footnotes).

I made extensive use of this feature to implement a complex design in 
structurered FrameMaker. The line length can be customized on the relevant 
reference page, but, as Heiko says, will always be fixed.

-- 
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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Tom, 

I do not know any way to change the underlining parameters. 
I am not sure, but I guess this may not even be accessible via scripting
as there are no plugins available for this purpose. 

How about using the new "background color" feature or the "para box"
feature instead of underlining? This may look well with a 10% black e.g.
Or you could use a "frame below pgf", but the resulting line would
always have a fixed length (like with footnotes). 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com: 

> I am trying to make some design changes to our machine manuals. Currently, 
> all graphics are in anchored frames that are placed within a special table. 
> They look great in print, but tables don't scale well if you plan to also 
> publish for use on a tablet. 
> 
> I have 2 problems. 
> 
> 1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't 
> find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this. 
> 
> 2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I choose 
> "underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line is too close to 
> the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is there a way to adjust the 
> position of the underline so that it is just below a character's descender? 
> 
> Tom Beiswenger
> Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
> Business
> Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
> 1140 Sullivan St.
> Elmira, NY 14901
> PH: +607 735-4279
> FX: +607 734-8278
> Mobile: +607 769-4779
> Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:18 -0500 9/1/15,  wrote:

>I have 2 problems.
>
>1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't 
>find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this.

If you mean what I think you mean, just select the frame and use the graphics 
palette to change the line style to what you want.

>2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I choose 
>"underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line is too close to 
>the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is there a way to adjust the 
>position of the underline so that it is just below a character's descender?

Can't help there: I don't know of a way to do this, but someone else might.

-- 
Steve
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Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[tom . beiswenger]

I am trying to make some design changes to our machine manuals. Currently, 
all graphics are in anchored frames that are placed within a special 
table. They look great in print, but tables don't scale well if you plan 
to also publish for use on a tablet.

I have 2 problems.

1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't 
find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this.

2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I choose 
"underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line is too close 
to the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is there a way to 
adjust the position of the underline so that it is just below a 
character's descender?




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
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