[Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
Hello, Framers, For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, the headings are often 3- or 4-lines. The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And with these very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number. So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this sort of issue? (I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d wish in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the “Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is certainly a hassle, and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.) Thanks for suggestions, -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
Hi Monique, I would configure the Running H/F variable to use one of the <$marker#> building blocks. Then I would create a simple script that would read each heading, and add a Header/Footer $# marker to the paragraph, truncating the text to a certain length and add an ellipses at the end. You could do this manually, but if the FAQ doc is long, scripting it would make it easier to maintain. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Monique Semp Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 12:01 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ? Hello, Framers, For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, the headings are often 3- or 4-lines. The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And with these very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number. So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this sort of issue? (I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d wish in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the “Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is certainly a hassle, and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.) Thanks for suggestions, -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
Figure out how to do reasonable length headings. Doing very long headings will continue to plague you on other issues. There's a reason there is a rule on sensible lengths. or make the footer a smaller tighter text font. John X Posada AVP | Global Risk Analytics | HSBC North America Holdings Inc 330 Madison Ave., NY NY __ Phone Int: 212-525-5483 Ext: 732-259-2874 Fax Conference Bridge - 877-304-0052, Code 74809254 Email john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com __ Protect our environment - please only print this if you have to! From: "Monique Semp" To: Date: 08/15/2016 12:01 PM Subject:[Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ? Sent by:"Framers" Hello, Framers, For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, the headings are often 3- or 4-lines. The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And with these very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number. So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this sort of issue? (I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d wish in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the “Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is certainly a hassle, and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.) Thanks for suggestions, -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ** This message originated from the Internet. Its originator may or may not be who they claim to be and the information contained in the message and any attachments may or may not be accurate. ** - ** This E-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy, forward, disclose or use any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and all copies from your system and notify the sender immediately by return E-mail. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be timely, secure, error or virus-free. The sender does not accept liability for any errors or omissions. ** SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT! ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
Without addressing the specific questions you have asked, I'd like to suggest that you document any out-of-the-ordinary setups or practices in the master pages. It's a little-known fact that you can put text into the dummy body frame on a master page, and that this text will be saved there but will never appear in your deliverable documents. If you store text this way on custom master pages, it *will* be subject to deletion if you delete the entire master page, but using the default left and right master pages makes the notes relatively immune to accidental deletion. The only downside is that everyone using the template will need to know to look on the master pages to find this kind of helpful information. -FR From: Framers on behalf of Monique Semp Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 12:01 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ? Hello, Framers, For an FAQ doc, I've broken the usual "rule" of sensible-length headings because I'm making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, the headings are often 3- or 4-lines. The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading text in the recto footers, via the "Running H/F #" variable. And with these very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes the footer "artwork" (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number. So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this sort of issue? (I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I'd wish in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the "Running H/F #" definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, for example, "heading 1" and "heading 1 page". But this is certainly a hassle, and won't be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.) Thanks for suggestions, -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
I ran into this recently (our training manuals use questions for second-level heads). I created a table in the header of the master page and set the cells' content to align-bottom. Long heads stack. It actually looks pretty good. I don't think my manager would go for truncated headings. Pat Christenson -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+pat.christenson=morningstar@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Monique Semp Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:01 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ? Hello, Framers, For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, the headings are often 3- or 4-lines. The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And with these very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number. So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this sort of issue? (I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d wish in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the “Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is certainly a hassle, and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.) Thanks for suggestions, -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.frameusers.com&d=DQIGaQ&c=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSMJ71NR_1HMKptQ&r=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E&m=_W_J0aLAARFH7ha8pYuWvCZPcCAJ7gap-MA343tEM_k&s=XNRk-7S0lyvuSeJLaWUg-cTg5z_xwf7xUa8fCOYSyPU&e= Archives located at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.mail-2Darchive.com_framers-2540lists.frameusers.com_&d=DQIGaQ&c=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSMJ71NR_1HMKptQ&r=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E&m=_W_J0aLAARFH7ha8pYuWvCZPcCAJ7gap-MA343tEM_k&s=1sLEx00Po0iszI21KVxmispn9ZG4oih6Wuw6Aqi7BG8&e= Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.frameusers.com_listinfo.cgi_framers-2Dframeusers.com&d=DQIGaQ&c=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSMJ71NR_1HMKptQ&r=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E&m=_W_J0aLAARFH7ha8pYuWvCZPcCAJ7gap-MA343tEM_k&s=qcGzXJPlmNJrWwyuzTXpynfYQCSV6tQJRbolfJIbMPU&e= Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote: >So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this >sort of issue? The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with the author(s). Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff. -- Steve ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
I think you can use reference pages for the same thing, can't you? I seem to recall coming across that as a suggestion. Again, anyone else would need to know to look there. If you can find the procedure to do so, you can add an alert that pops up anytime the template is used to tell people to look at either the master or reference pages for information. (I know it's do-able, but I've never done it, so I don't know how.) On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Steve Rickaby < srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote: > At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote: > > >So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with > this sort of issue? > > The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with > the author(s). > > Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff. > > -- > Steve > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
I am incorrect on the alert. It's a hypertext command that only works in PDF files, apparently. Although a small script that runs on file creation might work. On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > I think you can use reference pages for the same thing, can't you? I seem > to recall coming across that as a suggestion. Again, anyone else would need > to know to look there. > > If you can find the procedure to do so, you can add an alert that pops up > anytime the template is used to tell people to look at either the master or > reference pages for information. (I know it's do-able, but I've never done > it, so I don't know how.) > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Steve Rickaby < > srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote: >> >> >So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with >> this sort of issue? >> >> The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with >> the author(s). >> >> Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff. >> >> -- >> Steve >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr >> amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li >> stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com