Re: [Framers] a friendly list, for long-time Framer colleagues

2019-10-23 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain 
Hi, Monique, et. al.

I am in the SF Bay Area and you are totally correct about the trends here … all 
of our new documents are on-line, with PDF generation as needed.

I only use FrameMaker occasionally now … my new specs are all done in TeX 
(well, LaTeX actually!)

Z

From: Monique Semp 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 10:58 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
; Syed Zaeem Hosain 
Subject: a friendly list, for long-time Framer colleagues

Yes, what Z said!

I haven't used FrameMaker for a goodly number of years now, having moved to 
jobs that use a docs-as-code approach. (So Markdown, SSGs [static site 
generators], developer tools.) And given the job market and location I'm in -- 
the San Francisco Bay Area, and lots of startup companies -- it seems unlikely 
I'll have a FrameMaker-oriented job ever again.

But I like to remain on this list so that I hear from long-time colleagues, 
even if it's just to wish them a happy retirement!

-Monique

On 10/23/19 10:48 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:

I am still on this list more out of habit than anything else. 😊

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[Framers] a friendly list, for long-time Framer colleagues

2019-10-23 Thread Monique Semp 
   Yes, what Z said!
   I haven't used FrameMaker for a goodly number of years now, having
   moved to jobs that use a docs-as-code approach. (So Markdown, SSGs
   [static site generators], developer tools.) And given the job market
   and location I'm in -- the San Francisco Bay Area, and lots of startup
   companies -- it seems unlikely I'll have a FrameMaker-oriented job ever
   again.
   But I like to remain on this list so that I hear from long-time
   colleagues, even if it's just to wish them a happy retirement!
   -Monique

   On 10/23/19 10:48 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:

I am still on this list more out of habit than anything else.
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Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

2019-10-23 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain 
Unfortunately, this is essentially the kind of "licensing" and upgrade pricing 
policy changes that I expected some years ago when the subscription versions 
were released.

I stopped using FM for _all new_ documents after version 12 and switched to 
writing all my new documents to TeX ... my needs may be different from yours, 
of course!

And I found alternatives to other Adobe products I was using. With one 
exception: Adobe Acrobat Pro, but I am testing an alternative for this too. 
FWIW, I love the instant PDF output visual feedback I get from one of my TeX 
tools, so I don't use Adobe Acrobat for any TeX documents either!

Now, when I bring up an old FM document for editing a new version, I "convert" 
it (manually) to TeX and do not look back for future versions.

Because the upgrade pricing and subscription licensing approach for FrameMaker 
simply does not work for me (I emphasize: for me) anymore, period. 

As an early adopter of FrameMaker since 1988 (on a Sun 3/50), I remain 
disappointed by this, but it became time to move on ... like all things in 
life! I am still on this list more out of habit than anything else. 😊

Z

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 1:20 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for FrameMaker?

And here is a link to the CLP and TLP information:

https://www.adobe.com/howtobuy/buying-programs/clp-tlp.html

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 4:02 PM Lin Sims  wrote:

> I thought I remembered about this. The same rumour came up in June, 
> and this was the information given then by Amitoj Singh:
>
> As of July 1st, 2019, the Software Assurance (ASA) and Maintenance & 
> Support (M&S) programs were discontinued, although people who have 
> contracts under those programs will continue to have the same support 
> until their contract end date.
>
> However, *customers can still purchase perpetual licenses* under the 
> Transactional Licensing Program (TLP) and Cumulative Licensing Program
> (CLP) from Adobe and from Adobe authorized resellers.
>
> This is a link to the thread I started on the Adobe forums about this 
> issue, with the official answer.
>
>
> https://community.adobe.com/t5/FrameMaker/Perpetual-Licenses-for-Frame
> Maker-and-TCS/m-p/10494707#M61467
>
>
> He also provided an email address for those with further questions:
> techc...@adobe.com
>
> I haven't heard that these programs are going away, but I'm perfectly 
> willing to ask. :)
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 3:47 PM Harding, Dan 
> wrote:
>
>> If this is indeed the case (it would be nice to get something 
>> definitive from Adobe directly, not just second-hand interpretations 
>> that are all over the map), then I think a lot of users will be stand 
>> pat on FM2019 for a considerable period of time, at least until it is 
>> no longer compatible with Windows 14, or whatever version breaks it.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers 
>> 
>> On Behalf Of Richard Melanson
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 2:43 PM
>> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
>> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for 
>> FrameMaker?
>>
>> Either or both of these happening "stinks" shame on Adobe.
>>
>> Adobe is discontinuing support for any type of upgrade for perpetual 
>> licenses.
>> Adobe will be switching OFF perpetual licenses [both for new & 
>> renewal] WORLDWIDE.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Melanson
>> Technical Writer|HighRes Biosolutions 
>> T:781.932.1912x1160|rmelan...@highresbio.com
>> www.highresbio.com???
>>
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>> Subject: Re: [Framers] What is going on with Adobe Licensing for 
>> FrameMaker?
>>
>> All that means is that you won't get a break on the cheaper upgrade 
>> to the latest version. You still will be able to get a perpetual 
>> license for
>> FM2019 - you'll just pay more for it.
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: Framers > jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Richard Melanson < 
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Re: [Framers] Opening FM 2019 documents in FM 2017

2019-10-23 Thread TW Smith 
Doug,

I find it helps to require vendors use a specific version of software. In
this case, you have to go back to your vendor and ask for files you can use.

Traditionally, current FrameMaker versions have been able to save as .FM
one version older. So, FM 2019 can save as FM 2017.

If the difference is more than one FrameMaker version, you have to use
.MIF. So, to save from FM 2019 for use in FM 12, save as MIF from
FrameMaker 2019 and open MIF in FM 12.

Does that make sense?

Unfortunately, the only workaround I have to recommend for you (if you
don't get the vendor to help you out) is to download a trial version of FM
2019 and use it to save your files in 2017 format. Of course, the huge
downside of this is that Adobe Sales will hound you to the ends of our flat
Earth to buy the 2019 upgrade.

Cheers,

Sean

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:18 PM Doug  wrote:

> Is it possible to do this?  I just had some 2017 documents translated for
> me and when I open them in my FM 2017 it says:
>
> Although XXX appears to be a FrameMaker document, it can't be opened with
> tihs release of the product.
>
> Is there an add-on or something?
>
> Doug
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Re: [Framers] Opening FM 2019 documents in FM 2017

2019-10-23 Thread John Sgammato 
from FM 2019 you have to save as an earlier version that can be opened by
2017

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 12:18 PM Doug  wrote:

> Is it possible to do this?  I just had some 2017 documents translated for
> me and when I open them in my FM 2017 it says:
>
> Although XXX appears to be a FrameMaker document, it can't be opened with
> tihs release of the product.
>
> Is there an add-on or something?
>
> Doug
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Re: [Framers] Opening FM 2019 documents in FM 2017

2019-10-23 Thread Harding, Dan 
MIF might work as an intermediary format, but otherwise you need to backsave 
FM2019 documents as FM2017 format documents in order to open them in FM2017.

Old applications can't know what differences there are in file formats for 
future/forthcoming versions. Application formats like PDF and MS Word/Excel 
make sure to retain backwards compatibility at default settings, but it appears 
that Frame does not.

-Dan

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Doug
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 11:18 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: [Framers] Opening FM 2019 documents in FM 2017

Is it possible to do this?  I just had some 2017 documents translated for
me and when I open them in my FM 2017 it says:

Although XXX appears to be a FrameMaker document, it can't be opened with
tihs release of the product.

Is there an add-on or something?

Doug
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[Framers] Opening FM 2019 documents in FM 2017

2019-10-23 Thread Doug 
Is it possible to do this?  I just had some 2017 documents translated for
me and when I open them in my FM 2017 it says:

Although XXX appears to be a FrameMaker document, it can't be opened with
tihs release of the product.

Is there an add-on or something?

Doug
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