Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?
Sound like that would work, but that solution was obscured by the way the original question was framed. Knowing what the use case is helps reframe the question. However, footnote insertion just indicates a point in the text. Maybe applying a Conditional Text attribute to the range of text could be used, allowing the reviewers to see what the citation needs to cover. If you require a number for each range, that could be done by post-processing the conditional text markers. Craig From: Framers on behalf of David Artman Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 1:50 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? Oh. Footnotes. Then the missing citations' footnotes just read "[needs citation]" Seems trivial, that way. They will auto increment. (Unless reset by the book file's chapter numbering.) What am I missing that keeps that from being the obvious solution? David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/17/23 15:44 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm prepping a chapter of a textbook for a peer group meeting (review to be held using paper copy, not electronic). Author fell down on the job and there are a host of places throughout where citations are needed (80+). So I'm adding callouts for the group as to what content needs citations. In some cases it is an entire section (callout added to header), in others it is a particular paragraph or multiple paragraphs (callout on line preceding paragraph), and most are specific sentences within a paragraph (callouts inline) with the possibility that more than one callout is needed in a given paragraph. Also, they could be any sentence within the paragraph. For expediency, based upon initial responses here, I just did them by hand, but it would be interesting to know if there is an autonumber method that could work if this happens again. Thanks, -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:33 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? It would be fascinating to hear the use case, as you imply. Probably the simplest way to do it would be to insert the same marker at each point and then parse the whole thing after the fact, replacing each marker with an incremented number. Craig From: Framers on behalf of r...@rickquatro.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:09 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press enter, then apply whatever style you need next. Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway. HTH, David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing something. I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph. Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g., like when numbering paragraphs or list elements. All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need. What am I missing? Thanks, -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_Dhg-k4G$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40list
Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?
If it were one-to-one you would be correct. However, there are cases where there is uncertainty as to how many citations are needed, e.g., multiple paragraphs or a section where it could be appropriate for a single overarching citation or multiple granular citations, which depend on context, which the group has to determine. I suppose I could use the empty footnote as an autonumber indicator along with inline comments to provide context as to what is needed. Also, now that I think about it, it would be helpful to have the citation needed numbering sequence NOT be the same numbering sequence as footnotes, as other edits could add/delete footnotes beyond this specific list of citations needed, at which point the numbering gets thrown off electronically compared to everyone's on-paper records of the peer meeting. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:50 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? Oh. Footnotes. Then the missing citations' footnotes just read "[needs citation]" Seems trivial, that way. They will auto increment. (Unless reset by the book file's chapter numbering.) What am I missing that keeps that from being the obvious solution? David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/17/23 15:44 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm prepping a chapter of a textbook for a peer group meeting (review to be held using paper copy, not electronic). Author fell down on the job and there are a host of places throughout where citations are needed (80+). So I'm adding callouts for the group as to what content needs citations. In some cases it is an entire section (callout added to header), in others it is a particular paragraph or multiple paragraphs (callout on line preceding paragraph), and most are specific sentences within a paragraph (callouts inline) with the possibility that more than one callout is needed in a given paragraph. Also, they could be any sentence within the paragraph. For expediency, based upon initial responses here, I just did them by hand, but it would be interesting to know if there is an autonumber method that could work if this happens again. Thanks, -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:33 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? It would be fascinating to hear the use case, as you imply. Probably the simplest way to do it would be to insert the same marker at each point and then parse the whole thing after the fact, replacing each marker with an incremented number. Craig From: Framers on behalf of r...@rickquatro.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:09 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press enter, then apply whatever style you need next. Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway. HTH, David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing something. I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph. Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g., like when numbering paragraphs or list elements. All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need. What am I missing? Thanks, -Dan ___ This message is from the Fram
Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?
Oh. Footnotes. Then the missing citations' footnotes just read "[needs citation]" Seems trivial, that way. They will auto increment. (Unless reset by the book file's chapter numbering.) What am I missing that keeps that from being the obvious solution? David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/17/23 15:44 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm prepping a chapter of a textbook for a peer group meeting (review to be held using paper copy, not electronic). Author fell down on the job and there are a host of places throughout where citations are needed (80+). So I'm adding callouts for the group as to what content needs citations. In some cases it is an entire section (callout added to header), in others it is a particular paragraph or multiple paragraphs (callout on line preceding paragraph), and most are specific sentences within a paragraph (callouts inline) with the possibility that more than one callout is needed in a given paragraph. Also, they could be any sentence within the paragraph. For expediency, based upon initial responses here, I just did them by hand, but it would be interesting to know if there is an autonumber method that could work if this happens again. Thanks, -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:33 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? It would be fascinating to hear the use case, as you imply. Probably the simplest way to do it would be to insert the same marker at each point and then parse the whole thing after the fact, replacing each marker with an incremented number. Craig From: Framers on behalf of r...@rickquatro.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:09 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press enter, then apply whatever style you need next. Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway. HTH, David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing something. I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph. Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g., like when numbering paragraphs or list elements. All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need. What am I missing? Thanks, -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_Dhg-k4G$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_AkGqTFL$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_AiBkWQw$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_Dhg-k4G$ Archives located at https://url
Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?
I'm prepping a chapter of a textbook for a peer group meeting (review to be held using paper copy, not electronic). Author fell down on the job and there are a host of places throughout where citations are needed (80+). So I'm adding callouts for the group as to what content needs citations. In some cases it is an entire section (callout added to header), in others it is a particular paragraph or multiple paragraphs (callout on line preceding paragraph), and most are specific sentences within a paragraph (callouts inline) with the possibility that more than one callout is needed in a given paragraph. Also, they could be any sentence within the paragraph. For expediency, based upon initial responses here, I just did them by hand, but it would be interesting to know if there is an autonumber method that could work if this happens again. Thanks, -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Craig Ede Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:33 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? It would be fascinating to hear the use case, as you imply. Probably the simplest way to do it would be to insert the same marker at each point and then parse the whole thing after the fact, replacing each marker with an incremented number. Craig From: Framers on behalf of r...@rickquatro.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:09 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press enter, then apply whatever style you need next. Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway. HTH, David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing something. I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph. Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g., like when numbering paragraphs or list elements. All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need. What am I missing? Thanks, -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_Dhg-k4G$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_AkGqTFL$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_AiBkWQw$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_Dhg-k4G$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_AkGqTFL$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!4FZS6ccAUEwBOlPkOp9mVkqWqe0_OTkrbEM5xwj4I2YUrW6kmuU5senWvZzR58gEod548-bjPBbx_AiBkWQw$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ Thi
Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?
It would be fascinating to hear the use case, as you imply. Probably the simplest way to do it would be to insert the same marker at each point and then parse the whole thing after the fact, replacing each marker with an incremented number. Craig From: Framers on behalf of r...@rickquatro.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:09 AM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press enter, then apply whatever style you need next. Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway. HTH, David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing something. I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph. Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g., like when numbering paragraphs or list elements. All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need. What am I missing? Thanks, -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?
You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks. Rick -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of David Artman Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press enter, then apply whatever style you need next. Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway. HTH, David DCA:d.a.d. Original message From: "Harding, Dan" Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00) To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style? I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing something. I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph. Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g., like when numbering paragraphs or list elements. All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need. What am I missing? Thanks, -Dan ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com