Hyperlinking Between Frame and MS Word Source
Hi, I know most, if not all of you, love Frame and would never consider using MS Word. I too use Frame for most of my projects. However, I have MS Word files that need to be maintained by other authors (technical support), and these same files are used in my online help. I basically have a hybrid help system that calls both Frame source and MS Word source. I use WebWorks. The help output looks great, and a customer can't distinguish the underlying source. However, I need to link (cross-reference/hyperlink) between these two sources. Is there a way to link from a Frame source (H1) to an MS Word source (H1)? Since they are both proprietary, I think not. Thank you, Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Hyperlinking Between Frame and MS Word Source
Hi, I know most, if not all of you, love Frame and would never consider using MS Word. I too use Frame for most of my projects. However, I have MS Word files that need to be maintained by other authors (technical support), and these same files are used in my online help. I basically have a "hybrid" help system that calls both Frame source and MS Word source. I use WebWorks. The help output looks great, and a customer can't distinguish the underlying source. However, I need to link (cross-reference/hyperlink) between these two sources. Is there a way to link from a Frame source (H1) to an MS Word source (H1)? Since they are both proprietary, I think not. Thank you, Angela
Adding HTML Directly to Unstructured Frame Files
I use Frame to produce Online Help (Frame WebWorks). I want to use Frame to produce my welcome page on the front-end rather than overwriting the file on the back-end). Do you know if there is a way to embed html in Frame? Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Adding HTML Directly to Unstructured Frame Files
I use Frame to produce Online Help (Frame > WebWorks). I want to use Frame to produce my welcome page on the "front-end" rather than overwriting the file on the "back-end"). Do you know if there is a way to embed html in Frame? Angela
Problem Using Special Bullet Symbol
Hi, I'd like to use a special bullet symbol for my bulleted lists. I've chosen Black Right-Pointing Pointer. Using Adobe's To use a special bullet symbol online help topic, I create my bullet list. I get a question mark instead of a pointer: ? This is a bulleted list ? This is a bulleted list Wingdings font works fine. But, I can't use this font because I'm using WebWorks and because Wingdings isn't a default font. So, I'm going for the standard. I tried Arial, Times New Roman, and Garamond, but all produce the same results (a question mark). What am I doing wrong? *My Paragraph Tag:* Autonumber Format = ?\t Character Format = ArrowFont *My Character Format:* Arial Font As-is (for remainder) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Problem Using Special Bullet Symbol
Hi, I'd like to use a special bullet symbol for my bulleted lists. I've chosen "Black Right-Pointing Pointer". Using Adobe's "To use a special bullet symbol" online help topic, I create my bullet list. I get a question mark instead of a pointer: ? This is a bulleted list ? This is a bulleted list Wingdings font works fine. But, I can't use this font because I'm using WebWorks and because Wingdings isn't a default font. So, I'm going for the standard. I tried Arial, Times New Roman, and Garamond, but all produce the same results (a question mark). What am I doing wrong? *My Paragraph Tag:* Autonumber Format = ?\t Character Format = ArrowFont *My Character Format:* Arial Font As-is (for remainder)
Creating a Code Box
I can't seem to substitute a dotted line for a solid line in my table. ___ # cd /usr/bin ___ The table is actual a code box. -- # cd /usr/bin -- I created a Custom Ruling Style. I can't figure out how Pen Pattern works, and if this is what I need to create dotted lines. Anyone know? Also, do any of you have some fancy styles that you use to make code boxes look good in print? Thank you! Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Creating a Code Box
Got it! I don't know what I did, but the Pen Pattern seems to be working now. Thanks! On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't seem to substitute a dotted line for a solid line in my table. ___ # cd /usr/bin ___ The table is actual a code box. -- # cd /usr/bin -- I created a Custom Ruling Style. I can't figure out how Pen Pattern works, and if this is what I need to create dotted lines. Anyone know? Also, do any of you have some fancy styles that you use to make code boxes look good in print? Thank you! Angela -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Creating a Code Box
I can't seem to substitute a dotted line for a solid line in my table. ___ # cd /usr/bin ___ The table is actual a code box. -- # cd /usr/bin -- I created a Custom Ruling Style. I can't figure out how Pen Pattern works, and if this is what I need to create dotted lines. Anyone know? Also, do any of you have some fancy styles that you use to make code boxes look good in print? Thank you! Angela
Creating a Code Box
Got it! I don't know what I did, but the Pen Pattern seems to be working now. Thanks! On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Angela Akridge wrote: > > I can't seem to substitute a dotted line for a solid line in my table. > > ___ > # cd /usr/bin > ___ > > The table is actual a code box. > > -- > # cd /usr/bin > -- > > I created a Custom Ruling Style. I can't figure out how Pen Pattern works, > and if this is what I need to create dotted lines. Anyone know? > > Also, do any of you have some fancy styles that you use to make code boxes > look good in print? > > Thank you! > > Angela > -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
Re: MS Word vs. Frame
I convinced them to use Frame. I kinda said, no way in hell am I gonna recommend Word. My basis was exactly what this group pointed out: they aren't using the Word capabilities that are required (e.g. styles, etc), so if I'm gonna train the pm, I might as well train him on Frame. I also scared him by saying that writers just don't like Word, so recruiting would be difficult. You asked about the project manager. The pm is the Product Management VP, Engineering VP, Recruiter, and tech writer. Poor guy. I'll probably use Frame/WebWorks solution. I like ePublisher Pro because it works well with Frame, but I'd go with MadCap Flare (without Frame), if I can convince the company that they don't need manuals, but that's a more difficult argument to make. :) Angela On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ang, You're kidding me, right? You are actually considering Word instead of FM? We use both here, but are working away from Word, manual by manual. The Word templates were created from my FM templates. I converted FM to Word with Mif2Go. Yay Jeremy! Just my 2c worth, but if there are no styles in their Word docs, I don't think they really know how to use Word. And I expect that they know much about manuals either. I srongly encourage you to take the lead here and get them on the right path. They will luv ya in the long run. Sure, Word sounds like the easy way at the moment, but trust me, not in the long run. And I think the company will happier with FM too. BTW, if you need something to convince them, I have lots of Word vs FM comparison docs that I've either written or collected over the last 10 years or so. Let me know if you need them. Why does the project manager need to learn FM? To comment on your docs? No, Word is not the way. Buy FM8 and Acrobat 8 Pro. Get the free Acrobat 8 reader for them. With Acrobat8 Pro, you can create PDFs that they can commment in, highlight, edit, and more, just like they can with Word. And you can keep right on using FM. BTW, if you are worried about converting the Word docs to FM, don't. FM8 has a great new filter that really does convert Word docs into FM, tables and graphics and everything. I use it all the time. No, not the RTF filter. It's called Microsoft Word 7. Sure beats those old Mastersoft filters that Frame Technology bought to make the sale of FM to Adobe. If I understand your message, you will be creating both docs and online help. If that is the case, don't by FM and don't buy Acrobat. Yes, I am serious. Don't buy them. Huh? What? Don't buy FM and Acrobat? No, don't buy them. That is, not separately. Instead, buy the new Adobe Techinical Communications Suite. It includes a linked version of FM8 and Robo7, plus Acrobat NINE Pro extended (yep, 9), and a really neat tool called Captivate. We just bought it for several of us and let me tell you it is fan-tastic. We are saving lots of time and work. You can author in FM and convert the manual to Robo online HTML help. TOC, index, glossary, everything. It depends on how you set it up. You use conditional text in FM to set up what goes in the help an what doesn't. You set up the tag mapping from FM to Robo (it's easy, nothing like WWP was), do a couple more easy setup things, hit the convert button, and presto, online help. You can also author in Robo and import back to FM if you want, but I'd recommend setting it up as author in FM, print docs from FM, import by reference into Robo. Captivate is amazing. 3D interactive graphics in a PDF file. Live installation demos with almost no instructions to write. No special viewers, just Acrobat Reader 7 or 8. Who'd have ever thought you could do this? You run a GUI and record your actions. Users can play it back as a demo or walk themselves through it, with popup instructions guiding them along if you want. I'll send you a demo file I created offline 'cause the list strips attachments. It is really cool. Microsoft, eat your heart out. :-) Gee, do I sound like I'm selling it or something? Well, that wasn't my intent, but I gotta tellya, these toys are really fun to play with, and the big bosses are already taking notice of what we are doing. BTW, thank you Matt Sullivan, wheever you are. That was a great TCS class. We'll be hitting you with questions pretty soon. Cheers, Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems Santa Clara, CA === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Angela Akridge Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:07 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: MS Word vs. Frame Hi, Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets? Conditional text? I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS Word, though
MS Word vs. Frame
I convinced them to use Frame. I kinda said, "no way in hell" am I gonna recommend Word. My basis was exactly what this group pointed out: they aren't using the Word capabilities that are required (e.g. styles, etc), so if I'm gonna train the pm, I might as well train him on Frame. I also scared him by saying that writers just don't like Word, so recruiting would be difficult. You asked about the project manager. The pm is the Product Management VP, Engineering VP, Recruiter, and "tech writer". Poor guy. I'll probably use Frame/WebWorks solution. I like ePublisher Pro because it works well with Frame, but I'd go with MadCap Flare (without Frame), if I can convince the company that they don't need manuals, but that's a more difficult argument to make. :) Angela On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Diane Gaskill wrote: > Hi Ang, > > You're kidding me, right? You are actually considering Word instead of FM? > > We use both here, but are working away from Word, manual by manual. The > Word templates were created from my FM templates. I converted FM to Word > with Mif2Go. Yay Jeremy! > > Just my 2c worth, but if there are no styles in their Word docs, I don't > think they really know how to use Word. And I expect that they know much > about manuals either. I srongly encourage you to take the lead here and get > them on the right path. They will luv ya in the long run. > > Sure, Word sounds like the easy way at the moment, but trust me, not in the > long run. And I think the company will happier with FM too. BTW, if you > need something to convince them, I have lots of Word vs FM comparison docs > that I've either written or collected over the last 10 years or so. Let me > know if you need them. > > Why does the project manager need to learn FM? To comment on your docs? > No, Word is not the way. Buy FM8 and Acrobat 8 Pro. Get the free Acrobat > 8 > reader for them. With Acrobat8 Pro, you can create PDFs that they can > commment in, highlight, edit, and more, just like they can with Word. And > you can keep right on using FM. BTW, if you are worried about converting > the Word docs to FM, don't. FM8 has a great new filter that really does > convert Word docs into FM, tables and graphics and everything. I use it > all > the time. No, not the RTF filter. It's called Microsoft Word 7. Sure > beats those old Mastersoft filters that Frame Technology bought to make the > sale of FM to Adobe. > > If I understand your message, you will be creating both docs and online > help. If that is the case, don't by FM and don't buy Acrobat. Yes, I am > serious. Don't buy them. > > Huh? What? Don't buy FM and Acrobat? > > No, don't buy them. That is, not separately. > > Instead, buy the new Adobe Techinical Communications Suite. It includes a > linked version of FM8 and Robo7, plus Acrobat NINE Pro extended (yep, 9), > and a really neat tool called Captivate. We just bought it for several of > us and let me tell you it is fan-tastic. We are saving lots of time > and > work. You can author in FM and convert the manual to Robo online HTML > help. > TOC, index, glossary, everything. It depends on how you set it up. You > use > conditional text in FM to set up what goes in the help an what doesn't. > You > set up the tag mapping from FM to Robo (it's easy, nothing like WWP was), > do > a couple more easy setup things, hit the convert button, and presto, online > help. You can also author in Robo and import back to FM if you want, but > I'd > recommend setting it up as author in FM, print docs from FM, import by > reference into Robo. > > Captivate is amazing. 3D interactive graphics in a PDF file. Live > installation demos with almost no instructions to write. No special > viewers, just Acrobat Reader 7 or 8. Who'd have ever thought you could do > this? You run a GUI and record your actions. Users can play it back as a > demo or walk themselves through it, with popup instructions guiding them > along if you want. I'll send you a demo file I created offline 'cause the > list strips attachments. It is really cool. > > Microsoft, eat your heart out. :-) > > Gee, do I sound like I'm selling it or something? Well, that wasn't my > intent, but I gotta tellya, these toys are really fun to play with, and the > big bosses are already taking notice of what we are doing. > > BTW, thank you Matt Sullivan, wheever you are. That was a great TCS class. > We'll be hitting you with questions pretty soon. > > Cheers, > > Diane Gaskill > Hitachi Data Systems > Santa Clara, CA > > === > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frame
MS Word vs. Frame
Hi, Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets? Conditional text? I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet. They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time. There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an ongoing basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let me get to the point. I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which to choose, given the circumstances! Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself or the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the Project Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where there are limited resources. They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know anything about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit writers when the source is in Frame, or so I've noticed. Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
MS Word vs. Frame
Hi, Question: What features am I giving up by going with MS Word? Text insets? Conditional text? I'm a contractor for a very small startup that has a limited budget. I've been tasked to create their online help. They currently have manuals in MS Word, though no styles/tags are being used yet. They have no permanent writer, and they can't afford one at this time. There's a chance that I'll be supporting their major releases on an ongoing basis, and they'll update the help for their maintenance releases. Let me get to the point. I must choose between MS Word or Frame as the source. I don't know which to choose, given the circumstances! Frame meets a writers needs now and in the future. I don't want myself or the future writer to be stuck with MS Word. However, I know that the Project Manager isn't gonna like learning Frame. A conversion is less highly unlikely in an environment with very tight deadlines and where there are limited resources. They know how to use MS Word. I'm good with Frame, and don't know anything about publishing with MS Word. Also, it's easier to recruit writers when the source is in Frame, or so I've noticed. Angela
Book-To-Book Xrefs File Not Found
Hi! I use book-to-book xrefs. The xref formats look good. When I update my books, Frame doesn't complain about broken links. However, after I generate the pdf and test the book-to-book links, I get an error that says the file can't be found. When I go to xref in the source file, and launch the source file in the other book (Go to Source button) the file launches perfectly. I thought perhaps I need both to/from books open, so I did that and then regenerated the pdfs, but this didn't fix the problem. Any idea what the problem is? Any idea why Frame doesn't complain? Thank you, -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Book-To-Book Xrefs File Not Foun
Turns out that the extension was in my .pdf filename. I removed the .book from the filename and things work now. However, when I clicked on the xref, the other book launched (that's good), but then the first book disappeared. I didn't know that book-to-book xrefs had this limitation: how does the user get back to the other book? I'm thinking that I should use book variables for manuals, and conditionalize book-to-book references for online help only. Is this a bad idea? Angela On 8/4/07, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve is correct that all books that are referred to must be open when you generate the PDF that contains the x-refs. But two other gotchas are that all of the PDF files must have *exactly* the same name as the corresponding FrameMaker book files (except for the extension, of course), and the PDFs must have the same relative locations as the book files. If the book files are in the same directory on your system, the PDFs must also be be in the same directory on your system and on any medium or server that you put the PDFs on. If the book files are in separate subdirectories, you must place the PDFs in subdirectories with exactly the same names and relative locations as the book files, and that same subdirectory structure must be maintaied when the files are delivered. Shlomo Perets used to have an excellent document on this whole issue on his website (http://www.microtype.com), but I haven't looked for it in many months so I don't know if it is still there. Fred Ridder From: Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED], framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Book-To-Book Xrefs File Not Found Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:17:08 +0100 At 12:10 -0700 4/8/07, Angela Akridge wrote: I use book-to-book xrefs. The xref formats look good. When I update my books, Frame doesn't complain about broken links. However, after I generate the pdf and test the book-to-book links, I get an error that says the file can't be found. When I go to xref in the source file, and launch the source file in the other book (Go to Source button) the file launches perfectly. I thought perhaps I need both to/from books open, so I did that and then regenerated the pdfs, but this didn't fix the problem. Any idea what the problem is? I think you need to have all books that are cross-referenced open when you generate the Ps. -- Steve _ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Book-To-Book Xrefs & File Not Found
Hi! I use book-to-book xrefs. The xref formats look good. When I update my books, Frame doesn't complain about broken links. However, after I generate the pdf and test the book-to-book links, I get an error that says the file can't be found. When I go to xref in the source file, and launch the source file in the other book (Go to Source button) the file launches perfectly. I thought perhaps I need both to/from books open, so I did that and then regenerated the pdfs, but this didn't fix the problem. Any idea what the problem is? Any idea why Frame doesn't complain? Thank you, -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
Book-To-Book Xrefs & File Not Foun
Turns out that the extension was in my .pdf filename. I removed the ".book" from the filename and things work now. However, when I clicked on the xref, the other book launched (that's good), but then the first book disappeared. I didn't know that book-to-book xrefs had this limitation: how does the user get back to the other book? I'm thinking that I should use book variables for manuals, and conditionalize book-to-book references for online help only. Is this a bad idea? Angela On 8/4/07, Fred Ridder wrote: > Steve is correct that all books that are referred to must be open > when you generate the PDF that contains the x-refs. > > But two other gotchas are that all of the PDF files must have > *exactly* the same name as the corresponding FrameMaker > book files (except for the extension, of course), and the PDFs > must have the same relative locations as the book files. If the > book files are in the same directory on your system, the PDFs > must also be be in the same directory on your system and on > any medium or server that you put the PDFs on. If the book > files are in separate subdirectories, you must place the PDFs > in subdirectories with exactly the same names and relative > locations as the book files, and that same subdirectory structure > must be maintaied when the files are delivered. > > Shlomo Perets used to have an excellent document on this > whole issue on his website (http://www.microtype.com), but > I haven't looked for it in many months so I don't know if it > is still there. > > Fred Ridder > > > >From: Steve Rickaby > >To: "Angela Akridge" , > >framers at lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Book-To-Book Xrefs & File Not Found > >Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 20:17:08 +0100 > > > >At 12:10 -0700 4/8/07, Angela Akridge wrote: > > > > >I use book-to-book xrefs. The xref formats look good. When I update my > > >books, Frame doesn't complain about broken links. However, after I > > >generate the pdf and test the book-to-book links, I get an error that > > >says the file can't be found. When I go to xref in the source file, > > >and launch the source file in the other book (Go to Source button) the > > >file launches perfectly. > > > > > >I thought perhaps I need both to/from books open, so I did that and > > >then regenerated the pdfs, but this didn't fix the problem. Any idea > > >what the problem is? > > > >I think you need to have all books that are cross-referenced open when you > >generate the Ps. > > > >-- > >Steve > > _ > Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to > win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink > > -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
How Do I Conditionalize an Entire File
I have two covers for branding purposes. How do I exclude/include an entire file using conditional text? I'm able to do this with Epic, but don't know how to in Frame. Thank you, Angela -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How Do I Conditionalize an Entire File
In that case, I'll probably try to use a text inset for the content in the file. I have about 10 books. Thank you, Angela On 8/2/07, Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do it by building two different books that use all the same files except for the cover. From: Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: How Do I Conditionalize an Entire File Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:29:19 -0700 I have two covers for branding purposes. How do I exclude/include an entire file using conditional text? I'm able to do this with Epic, but don't know how to in Frame. Thank you, Angela -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Now you can see trouble…before he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How Do I Conditionalize an Entire File
I have two covers for branding purposes. How do I exclude/include an entire file using conditional text? I'm able to do this with Epic, but don't know how to in Frame. Thank you, Angela -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
How Do I Conditionalize an Entire File
In that case, I'll probably try to use a text inset for the content in the file. I have about 10 books. Thank you, Angela On 8/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: > You do it by building two different books that use all the > same files except for the cover. > > > >From: "Angela Akridge" > >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: How Do I Conditionalize an Entire File > >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:29:19 -0700 > > > >I have two covers for branding purposes. How do I exclude/include an > >entire file using conditional text? I'm able to do this with Epic, but > >don't know how to in Frame. > > > >Thank you, > > > >Angela > > > >-- > >Angela Akridge > >_ > >Loans that change lives > >http://www.kiva.org/ > >___ > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > >or visit > >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > _ > Now you can see trouble?before he arrives > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 > > -- Angela Akridge _ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
How To Prevent From Deleting Markers?
Hi, I'm using Frame/WebWorks to produce manuals and online help. I use so many different market types. I find that it's quiet easy to accidentally delete markers. I use markers to produce the context-sensitive help, index markers, hypertext makers, etc. My headings are getting pretty darn crowded. Do you know of any best practices to prevent against accidentally deleting markers? (I use different colors so that I can distinguish one marker type from another, and this helps alert be to a marker, but this isn't really help with my immediate concern.) Angela
BookName Variable Doesn't Appear in Xrefs
Hi, I still can't figure out how to get BookName variable into my xrefs. I tried Zoe's solution: I inserted the variable into a text frame, then applied a BookTitle para tag. The xref will not display the book name. Here's a screen shot: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/aakridge/BookName.png To begin with, I'm not really sure why I need to put the variable in a text frame. I really don't understand how Frame thinks. Do you have any insight, or do you know if this topic is covered in Frame documentation? -- Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408/393-9249 (cell) __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: BookName Variable Doesn't Appear in Xrefs
Thank you, Fred and Stuart! My collection is now working just fine. :) Once I replaced BookName with BookTitle in the paragraph tag AND (very important) removed the text frame from the Body, things worked perfectly. :) Thank you so much. Once I have time, I'll probably switch my implementation to use the Master pages instead of Body because I don't want to accidentally delete the invisible BookTitle thinking that it's empty space. I'm so relieved. Angela On 6/19/07, Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cross-references can only display content that falls into three or four general categories: --text from the paragraph where the cross-reference marker is located, via the $paratext building block --autonumbering associated with the paragraph where the cross-reference marker is located, via the $paranum and associated building blocks --system variables for data such as the page number, chapter number, filename, paragraph tag name, etc. via the corresponding system-defined building blocks (e.g. $pagenum, $chapnum) --text that is manually included in definition of a specific cross- reference format There is no provision for directly including user variables in a cross-reference. I can see two potential workarounds, neither of which I have actually tested. 1) If you are not using the $volnum system variable for other purposes you can define it as a text string (rather than a number) to make a system variable that contains the book name. Each separate file can have its own different definition for the $volnum system variable, or you can set several files to use the same definition. 2) It should work to place the book name in a hidden paragraph that is located at the top of each file and that has a special paragraph tag. I'm not sure I see any good reason why this needs to be in a separate text frame as long as it is located on the first body page (as opposed to a master page). If you use the $paratext[paratag] building block in your cross-reference format, replacing paratag with the actual name of the special paragraph tag you used for the hidden book title paragraph, your cross-reference should pick up whatever text is contained in the special paragraph (whether or not it comes from a user variable or is directly entered text). Note that in your example, the building block is incorrectly referencing the name of the user variable (BookName), rather than the tag name of the paragraph that contains the book name (BookTitle). The cross-reference doesn't care whether the paragraph contains a user variable; all it looks for is a paragraph that is tagged with the tag name you specify. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Akridge Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:08 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: BookName Variable Doesn't Appear in Xrefs Hi, I still can't figure out how to get BookName variable into my xrefs. I tried Zoe's solution: I inserted the variable into a text frame, then applied a BookTitle para tag. The xref will not display the book name. Here's a screen shot: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/aakridge/BookName.png To begin with, I'm not really sure why I need to put the variable in a text frame. I really don't understand how Frame thinks. Do you have any insight, or do you know if this topic is covered in Frame documentation? -- Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408/393-9249 (cell) __ -- Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408/393-9249 (cell) __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
BookName Variable Doesn't Appear in Xrefs
Hi, I still can't figure out how to get BookName variable into my xrefs. I tried Zoe's solution: I inserted the variable into a text frame, then applied a BookTitle para tag. The xref will not display the book name. Here's a screen shot: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/aakridge/BookName.png To begin with, I'm not really sure why I need to put the variable in a text frame. I really don't understand how Frame thinks. Do you have any insight, or do you know if this topic is covered in Frame documentation? -- Angela Akridge angela.akridge at gmail.com 408/393-9249 (cell) __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
BookName Variable Doesn't Appear in Xrefs
Thank you, Fred and Stuart! My collection is now working just fine. :) Once I replaced BookName with BookTitle in the paragraph tag AND (very important) removed the text frame from the Body, things worked perfectly. :) Thank you so much. Once I have time, I'll probably switch my implementation to use the Master pages instead of Body because I don't want to accidentally delete the invisible BookTitle thinking that it's empty space. I'm so relieved. Angela On 6/19/07, Ridder, Fred wrote: > > Cross-references can only display content that falls into three > or four general categories: > --text from the paragraph where the cross-reference marker is >located, via the <$paratext> building block > --autonumbering associated with the paragraph where the >cross-reference marker is located, via the <$paranum> >and associated building blocks > --system variables for data such as the page number, chapter >number, filename, paragraph tag name, etc. via the corresponding >system-defined building blocks (e.g. <$pagenum>, <$chapnum>) > --text that is manually included in definition of a specific cross- >reference format > > There is no provision for directly including user variables in a > cross-reference. > > I can see two potential workarounds, neither of which I have actually > tested. > > 1) If you are not using the $volnum system variable for other purposes > you can define it as a text string (rather than a number) to make a > system variable that contains the book name. Each separate file > can have its own different definition for the $volnum system variable, > or you can set several files to use the same definition. > > 2) It should work to place the book name in a "hidden" paragraph > that is located at the top of each file and that has a special paragraph > > tag. I'm not sure I see any good reason why this needs to be in a > separate text frame as long as it is located on the first body page > (as opposed to a master page). If you use the <$paratext[paratag]> > building block in your cross-reference format, replacing "paratag" > with the actual name of the special paragraph tag you used for the > hidden book title paragraph, your cross-reference should pick up > whatever text is contained in the special paragraph (whether or > not it comes from a user variable or is directly entered text). > > Note that in your example, the building block is incorrectly referencing > the name of the user variable (BookName), rather than the tag name of > the > paragraph that contains the book name (BookTitle). The cross-reference > doesn't care whether the paragraph contains a user variable; all it > looks > for is a paragraph that is tagged with the tag name you specify. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) > Intel > Parsippany, NJ > > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Angela Akridge > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:08 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: BookName Variable Doesn't Appear in Xrefs > > Hi, > > I still can't figure out how to get BookName variable into my xrefs. I > tried > Zoe's solution: I inserted the variable into a text frame, then applied > a > BookTitle para tag. The xref will not display the book name. Here's a > screen > shot: > > http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/aakridge/BookName.png > > To begin with, I'm not really sure why I need to put the variable in a > text > frame. I really don't understand how Frame thinks. Do you have any > insight, > or do you know if this topic is covered in Frame documentation? > > -- > Angela Akridge > angela.akridge at gmail.com > 408/393-9249 (cell) > __ > -- Angela Akridge angela.akridge at gmail.com 408/393-9249 (cell) __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
Creating a Checkbox (Forms) in Frame 7.2
I'd like to create a check box in Frame 7.2, and then insert a check mark inside the check box to indicate that something applies or doesn't apply. Any idea how I can do this in Frame? Thank you, Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Creating a Checkbox (Forms) in Frame 7.2
I'd like to create a check box in Frame 7.2, and then insert a check mark inside the check box to indicate that something applies or doesn't apply. Any idea how I can do this in Frame? Thank you, Angela
Text Insets: Any Gotchas?
Are there any gotchas with using text insets? For example, can I insert xrefs so long as all books that use the text inset have the section to which the text entity references? I assume that I'd need to regenerate to get the appropriate page number as the page number will vary from book to book. Thank you, Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Text Insets: Any Gotchas?
Are there any gotchas with using text insets? For example, can I insert xrefs so long as all books that use the text inset have the section to which the text entity references? I assume that I'd need to regenerate to get the appropriate page number as the page number will vary from book to book. Thank you, Angela
Re: Framers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 29
You've got to be kidding me Well, if this is what I need to do, Okay. Why do you create this booktitle paragraph tag in each chapter as opposed to just the Front Matter, the beginning of the book? I'll be linking to Heading1 sections: Heading1 of BookTitle. Angela -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Zoe Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The way I worked around this was to create an 'invisible' paragraph. The way I did it was to make a little text frame behind the chapter title frame. I would then insert the book title in that text frame, using a paragraph tag 'booktitle'. I used a variable so that I wouldn't have to go back and fix it manually as often. I think some people also use small text frames with white text, so it's 'invisible'. This paragraph was in every chapter and appendix. I would then create a cross-reference that referenced the booktitle paragraph. (I'm forgetting what the actual reference was right now.) A little clunky, but once you set up the templates, it just automagically works and you don't have to think about it again. It worked great. HTH, Zoë From: Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book cross-reference variable definitions with me? Thank you, Angela __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of Framers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 29 *** -- Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408/393-9249 (cell) __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Framers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 29
> > > You've got to be kidding me Well, if this is what I need to do, Okay. > Why do you create this booktitle paragraph tag in each chapter as opposed to > just the Front Matter, the beginning of the book? I'll be linking to > Heading1 sections: "Heading1 of BookTitle". Angela -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Zoe Lawson > Subject: Re: How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference > Format > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: <430657.1476.qm at web58707.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > The way I worked around this was to create an 'invisible' paragraph. The > way I did it was to make a little text frame behind the chapter title frame. > I would then insert the book title in that text frame, using a paragraph tag > 'booktitle'. I used a variable so that I wouldn't have to go back and fix it > manually as often. I think some people also use small text frames with white > text, so it's 'invisible'. This paragraph was in every chapter and appendix. > > I would then create a cross-reference that referenced the booktitle > paragraph. (I'm forgetting what the actual reference was right now.) > > A little clunky, but once you set up the templates, it just automagically > works and you don't have to think about it again. It worked great. > > HTH, > > Zo? > > ------------ > From: Angela Akridge > Subject: How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format > > I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to > include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but > can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book > cross-reference variable definitions with me? > > Thank you, > > Angela > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- > > ___ > You are currently subscribed to > Framers. > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > End of Framers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 29 > *** > -- Angela Akridge angela.akridge at gmail.com 408/393-9249 (cell) __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format
I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book cross-reference variable definitions with me? Thank you, Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format
I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book cross-reference variable definitions with me? Thank you, Angela
Re: Doc Architecture Challenge: Linking Between Books
That's a good point, but I'm not delivering via CD-ROM. The user downloads the PDF from the company's website. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Doc Architecture Challenge: Linking Between Books
That's a good point, but I'm not delivering via CD-ROM. The user downloads the PDF from the company's website.
Doc Architecture Challenge: Linking Between Books
Hi! I have an architecture challenge. I have two FrameMaker 7.2 (Unstructured) books: - User's Guide - Concepts Guide The User's Guide refers to the Concepts Guide and vice versa. Currently, this reference is simply a variable with the book's title. However, I'm thinking about creating hyperlinks between the books (so that these links show up in my WebWorks ePublisher Pro Help). The problem is, the books deliver as two separate books. If a user downloads a pdf of one book, and not the other, the links will not work. How does one get around this problem? Does one simply use Acrobat Professional to merge the two books and deliver one PDF? Is this a question for the WebWorks community? Thank you, Angela __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Doc Architecture Challenge: Linking Between Books
Hi! I have an architecture challenge. I have two FrameMaker 7.2 (Unstructured) books: - User's Guide - Concepts Guide The User's Guide refers to the Concepts Guide and vice versa. Currently, this reference is simply a variable with the book's title. However, I'm thinking about creating hyperlinks between the books (so that these links show up in my WebWorks ePublisher Pro Help). The problem is, the books deliver as two separate books. If a user downloads a pdf of one book, and not the other, the links will not work. How does one get around this problem? Does one simply use Acrobat Professional to merge the two books and deliver one PDF? Is this a question for the WebWorks community? Thank you, Angela __ Loans that change lives http://www.kiva.org/
Tool for XML - Online Help
Hi, I've never worked with setting up an Online Help system. I know how to write in raw html/sgml, but that's about the extent of my experience with Online Help. I'm familiar with single-source authoring (using Epic) to create customized documentation, but have NO experience designing a help system I currently edit existing context-sensitive online help. I don't use an Online Help application (JavaHelp or RoboHelp). I simply have some hooks in the code that call some html files (nothing sophisticated). I'd like to use the content that I produce in manuals to produce online help topics. If this means that the Online Help can no longer be context sensitive without a lot of infrastrucuture, then so be it (although a hybird would be ideal). My company is okay with dumping the manual into a clean collection of individual procedures (modules) if the design provides a search box. What tool will take my Frame xml output and generate a pretty look-and-feel for online help? I like MS Word's Online Help. Thank yoiu, -- Angela Akridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] 408/393-9249 (cell) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Tool for XML -> Online Help
Hi, I've never worked with setting up an Online Help system. I know how to write in raw html/sgml, but that's about the extent of my experience with Online Help. I'm familiar with single-source authoring (using Epic) to create customized documentation, but have NO experience designing a help system I currently edit existing context-sensitive online help. I don't use an Online Help application (JavaHelp or RoboHelp). I simply have some hooks in the code that call some html files (nothing sophisticated). I'd like to use the content that I produce in manuals to produce online help topics. If this means that the Online Help can no longer be context sensitive without a lot of infrastrucuture, then so be it (although a hybird would be ideal). My company is okay with dumping the manual into a clean collection of individual procedures (modules) if the design provides a search box. What tool will take my Frame xml output and generate a pretty look-and-feel for online help? I like MS Word's Online Help. Thank yoiu, -- Angela Akridge angela.akridge at gmail.com 408/393-9249 (cell)
Creative Ideas for Developing a Read Me First/Getting Started Card
I have a fun project. My first Read Me First! Do you think that Illustrator or Frame is the appropriate format to create a doc like this one? http://support.yellowmachine.com/support/Lists/Content/Attachments/62/readme_First_293.pdf Do you refer me to an online resource that shows how to create unique layouts? I'd like to produce a Read Me First that is more like a poster and where each square of the poster is a step. Any creative ideas? Oh course, the content needs to change a lot, so I'd rather invest in the new layout now. Angela
Can't Override Left/Right Master Page
When I try to apply a Last Page master page to the last page of a chapter (to ensure that I have a blank page and that the footer doesn't appear), Frame applies the Last page, and then, after I save, Frame adds the Left/Right page back in. Any idea what's going on? Thank you for your help. I've had a few problems lately, and folks have responded so promptly with suggestions. Thank you. Angela
Printing a 6 x 9 Manual
Oops, one more question. My print vendor is printing my 6 x 9 document. If the printer uses 9 x12 paper whereby one book page consumes one side of the 9 x 12 paper and another book page consumes the other side, what print options should I consider setting on the Frame file. Anything? If the print vendor folds the 9 x 12, don't the manual pages need to print in a specific order (not 1-23)? -- Angela ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
