RE: Framescript question
Thanks to the people who sent me great sample scripts and links to framescript forum! I figured out my problem - I had Adobe PDF set as my default printer, but I also needed to go to the preferences for the Adobe PDF printer and turn off "Rely on system fonts only..." I thought I had done that already but it needed to be done again. Now my script works fine! Hurray for PDF build automation... Callie From: Callie Bertsche To: "'framers@lists.frameusers.com'" Subject: Framescript question Message-ID: <6df989906d8efe46900494bb7a64c60301f1764...@tps004> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" System: MS Vista Software: FM 9.0p230, FrameScript 5.2R1 I'm working on creating a script that automates all PDF builds for all our documentation books and I seem to have run into a snag - I can get everything to work so far except after my script opens the files, runs checks, applies templates etc in FrameMaker, I haven't been able to command it to save the book as a PDF. For example, here's my current simplified test script that opens a book, opens its files, and saves it as a PDF. Everything happens except no PDF save, no PDF created. Maybe someone could spot what I'm missing? Did some requirement of FrameScript change with FrameMaker 9? (This used to work in FrameMaker 7, with an earlier version of FrameScript :] ) This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are NOT the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying this e-mail is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Framescript question
Thanks to the people who sent me great sample scripts and links to framescript forum! I figured out my problem - I had Adobe PDF set as my default printer, but I also needed to go to the preferences for the Adobe PDF printer and turn off "Rely on system fonts only..." I thought I had done that already but it needed to be done again. Now my script works fine! Hurray for PDF build automation... Callie From: Callie Bertsche To: "'framers at lists.frameusers.com'" Subject: Framescript question Message-ID: <6DF989906D8EFE46900494BB7A64C60301F1764664 at tps004> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" System: MS Vista Software: FM 9.0p230, FrameScript 5.2R1 I'm working on creating a script that automates all PDF builds for all our documentation books and I seem to have run into a snag - I can get everything to work so far except after my script opens the files, runs checks, applies templates etc in FrameMaker, I haven't been able to command it to save the book as a PDF. For example, here's my current simplified test script that opens a book, opens its files, and saves it as a PDF. Everything happens except no PDF save, no PDF created. Maybe someone could spot what I'm missing? Did some requirement of FrameScript change with FrameMaker 9? (This used to work in FrameMaker 7, with an earlier version of FrameScript :] ) This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are NOT the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying this e-mail is strictly prohibited.
RE: Framescript question
Thanks Michael! I figured out what was wrong - I had Adobe PDF as my default
printer, but in the control panel I needed to turn off "Rey on system fonts
only". Now my script works.
Thanks for the forum link! Perfect!
Callie
From: Michael Pearson [mailto:mt_pear...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:07 AM
To: Callie Bertsche; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Framescript question
Hi Callie,
Both of your "Save Book..." commands work for me under Win7, FM 9.0p250, FS
5.2R1 (after I substituted a valid target location for the resulting PDF file).
You might try updating FM with the latest patch and also check to see that you
can use the FM interface to "Save As PDF" to that target location. One more
thing to check: if Distiller hasn't been initialized on the system your using,
that could cause problems. Might try just opening Distiller to ensure it's
functioning.
For FrameScript questions, you might have better luck over here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/
HTH,
Mike
> From: c.berts...@tecplot.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:06:51 -0700
> Subject: Framescript question
>
> System: MS Vista
> Software: FM 9.0p230, FrameScript 5.2R1
>
> I'm working on creating a script that automates all PDF builds for all our
> documentation books and I seem to have run into a snag - I can get everything
> to work so far except after my script opens the files, runs checks, applies
> templates etc in FrameMaker, I haven't been able to command it to save the
> book as a PDF. For example, here's my current simplified test script that
> opens a book, opens its files, and saves it as a PDF. Everything happens
> except no PDF save, no PDF created. Maybe someone could spot what I'm
> missing? Did some requirement of FrameScript change with FrameMaker 9? (This
> used to work in FrameMaker 7, with an earlier version of FrameScript :] )
>
> (I also tried printing it as a PDF in my script, but it also did not work,
> and didn't seem to have as many customization options.)
>
> Help?
>
>
> Set cbook = 'c:\temp\docbuild\products\tecplot\release\360\release.book'
>
> Open book File(cbook) NewVar(bookobj);
>
> Loop ForEach (BookComponent) In(ActiveBook) LoopVar(cBookCompVar)
> Open Document File(cBookCompVar.Name);
> Endloop
>
> // Also tried this: Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook)
> File('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf') FileType(SaveFmtPdf)
>
>
> Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook) File ('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf')
> AlertUserAboutFailure(False)
> SaveFileNotWritable(Cancel)
> FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue)
> FileType(SaveFmtPDF)
> ReturnStatus(PDFSaveErrorList);
>
> Display PDFSaveErrorList // So far this only displays a "0"
>
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Framescript question
Thanks Michael! I figured out what was wrong - I had Adobe PDF as my default
printer, but in the control panel I needed to turn off "Rey on system fonts
only". Now my script works.
Thanks for the forum link! Perfect!
Callie
From: Michael Pearson [mailto:mt_pear...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 7:07 AM
To: Callie Bertsche; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Framescript question
Hi Callie,
Both of your "Save Book..." commands work for me under Win7, FM 9.0p250, FS
5.2R1 (after I substituted a valid target location for the resulting PDF file).
You might try updating FM with the latest patch and also check to see that you
can use the FM interface to "Save As PDF" to that target location. One more
thing to check: if Distiller hasn't been initialized on the system your using,
that could cause problems. Might try just opening Distiller to ensure it's
functioning.
For FrameScript questions, you might have better luck over here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/framescript-users/
HTH,
Mike
> From: c.bertsche at tecplot.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:06:51 -0700
> Subject: Framescript question
>
> System: MS Vista
> Software: FM 9.0p230, FrameScript 5.2R1
>
> I'm working on creating a script that automates all PDF builds for all our
> documentation books and I seem to have run into a snag - I can get everything
> to work so far except after my script opens the files, runs checks, applies
> templates etc in FrameMaker, I haven't been able to command it to save the
> book as a PDF. For example, here's my current simplified test script that
> opens a book, opens its files, and saves it as a PDF. Everything happens
> except no PDF save, no PDF created. Maybe someone could spot what I'm
> missing? Did some requirement of FrameScript change with FrameMaker 9? (This
> used to work in FrameMaker 7, with an earlier version of FrameScript :] )
>
> (I also tried printing it as a PDF in my script, but it also did not work,
> and didn't seem to have as many customization options.)
>
> Help?
>
>
> Set cbook = 'c:\temp\docbuild\products\tecplot\release\360\release.book'
>
> Open book File(cbook) NewVar(bookobj);
>
> Loop ForEach (BookComponent) In(ActiveBook) LoopVar(cBookCompVar)
> Open Document File(cBookCompVar.Name);
> Endloop
>
> // Also tried this: Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook)
> File('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf') FileType(SaveFmtPdf)
>
>
> Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook) File ('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf')
> AlertUserAboutFailure(False)
> SaveFileNotWritable(Cancel)
> FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue)
> FileType(SaveFmtPDF)
> ReturnStatus(PDFSaveErrorList);
>
> Display PDFSaveErrorList // So far this only displays a "0"
>
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Framescript question
System: MS Vista
Software: FM 9.0p230, FrameScript 5.2R1
I'm working on creating a script that automates all PDF builds for all our
documentation books and I seem to have run into a snag - I can get everything
to work so far except after my script opens the files, runs checks, applies
templates etc in FrameMaker, I haven't been able to command it to save the book
as a PDF. For example, here's my current simplified test script that opens a
book, opens its files, and saves it as a PDF. Everything happens except no PDF
save, no PDF created. Maybe someone could spot what I'm missing? Did some
requirement of FrameScript change with FrameMaker 9? (This used to work in
FrameMaker 7, with an earlier version of FrameScript :] )
(I also tried printing it as a PDF in my script, but it also did not work, and
didn't seem to have as many customization options.)
Help?
Set cbook = 'c:\temp\docbuild\products\tecplot\release\360\release.book'
Open book File(cbook) NewVar(bookobj);
Loop ForEach (BookComponent) In(ActiveBook) LoopVar(cBookCompVar)
Open Document File(cBookCompVar.Name);
Endloop
// Also tried this: Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook)
File('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf') FileType(SaveFmtPdf)
Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook) File ('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf')
AlertUserAboutFailure(False)
SaveFileNotWritable(Cancel)
FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue)
FileType(SaveFmtPDF)
ReturnStatus(PDFSaveErrorList);
Display PDFSaveErrorList // So far this only displays a "0"
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System: MS Vista
Software: FM 9.0p230, FrameScript 5.2R1
I'm working on creating a script that automates all PDF builds for all our
documentation books and I seem to have run into a snag - I can get everything
to work so far except after my script opens the files, runs checks, applies
templates etc in FrameMaker, I haven't been able to command it to save the book
as a PDF. For example, here's my current simplified test script that opens a
book, opens its files, and saves it as a PDF. Everything happens except no PDF
save, no PDF created. Maybe someone could spot what I'm missing? Did some
requirement of FrameScript change with FrameMaker 9? (This used to work in
FrameMaker 7, with an earlier version of FrameScript :] )
(I also tried printing it as a PDF in my script, but it also did not work, and
didn't seem to have as many customization options.)
Help?
Set cbook = 'c:\temp\docbuild\products\tecplot\release\360\release.book'
Open book File(cbook) NewVar(bookobj);
Loop ForEach (BookComponent) In(ActiveBook) LoopVar(cBookCompVar)
Open Document File(cBookCompVar.Name);
Endloop
// Also tried this: Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook)
File('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf') FileType(SaveFmtPdf)
Save Book BookObject(ActiveBook) File ('c:\Users\callie\Desktop\release.pdf')
AlertUserAboutFailure(False)
SaveFileNotWritable(Cancel)
FileIsInUse(ResetLockAndContinue)
FileType(SaveFmtPDF)
ReturnStatus(PDFSaveErrorList);
Display PDFSaveErrorList // So far this only displays a "0"
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RE: Beware the Inadvertent Global Search and Replace
I just had to reply that it's nice to hear from another framer out there who has had the same trouble with Ctrl-f and typing being misinterpreted by FM 9! I used to do this habitually in FM 7 to navigate quickly in my huge books. Now with FM 9, as you said, the focus is unpredictable and it has also bitten me a couple times!! Most recently I accidentally did a book global "find all note text and replace with space" with 57 instances accidentally when I only meant to type a word into the Find text field!! Unfortunately I hadn't checked my files into source control in a couple days so I had to painstakingly go through and re-add all of my note text...fortunately I had a built PDF to copy from, but still took me quite a while and was infuriating. Quite an unfortunate change of behavior from FM 7! It's nice to know that someone else out there has shared my frustration. :) Cheers, Callie Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:02:52 -0400 From: David Dorbin Subject: Beware the Inadvertent Global Search and Replace To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <53bd0cb50910141202u199cdd63x9ac9bad94f3fe...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Argh. Before I had Frame 9, I had Frame 7, and I used to would Find things thusly: 1. Press Ctrl-f 2. Start typing the text to find. 3. Press Enter. Now in Frame 9, when I press ctrl-f, the Find/Change pod displays, but the cursor is rarely waiting there in the text box. In fact, the "focus" seems to be unpredictable. This has bitten me a few times already. I hit ctrl-f and start typing, and Frame decides that I meant to do a global search and replace. It might be that I'm typing "c" and that activates the Change button. Lucky for me, I've usually got the Document rather than the Book radio button selected, so it only makes the change in the current chapter. And I can do a quick Undo Replace. Lucky until today, that is. This time the Book radio button was lit up, and Frame replaced x with y 27 times across all chapter files. And it opens each one, makes the changes, and closes it, so there is no Undo. I had to open up each of 18 chapter files, search for the replace text, evaluate each occurrence with my actual mind to see if was one of the inadvertent replacements, and fix it back. Anyone else experienced this? Any advice, other than to slow down and to rely less on keyboard shortcuts? Dave D. Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Phone: 425.653.1200 x278 Email: c.berts...@tecplot.com<mailto:.c.berts...@tecplot.com> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View 3535 Factoria Blvd. SE, Ste. 550 Bellevue, WA USA 98006 Fax: 425.653.9200 Web: www.tecplot.com<http://www.tecplot.com/> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Beware the Inadvertent Global Search and Replace
I just had to reply that it's nice to hear from another framer out there who has had the same trouble with Ctrl-f and typing being misinterpreted by FM 9! I used to do this habitually in FM 7 to navigate quickly in my huge books. Now with FM 9, as you said, the focus is unpredictable and it has also bitten me a couple times!! Most recently I accidentally did a book global "find all note text and replace with space" with 57 instances accidentally when I only meant to type a word into the Find text field!! Unfortunately I hadn't checked my files into source control in a couple days so I had to painstakingly go through and re-add all of my note text...fortunately I had a built PDF to copy from, but still took me quite a while and was infuriating. Quite an unfortunate change of behavior from FM 7! It's nice to know that someone else out there has shared my frustration. :) Cheers, Callie Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:02:52 -0400 From: David Dorbin Subject: Beware the Inadvertent Global Search and Replace To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <53bd0cb50910141202u199cdd63x9ac9bad94f3fecef at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Argh. Before I had Frame 9, I had Frame 7, and I used to would Find things thusly: 1. Press Ctrl-f 2. Start typing the text to find. 3. Press Enter. Now in Frame 9, when I press ctrl-f, the Find/Change pod displays, but the cursor is rarely waiting there in the text box. In fact, the "focus" seems to be unpredictable. This has bitten me a few times already. I hit ctrl-f and start typing, and Frame decides that I meant to do a global search and replace. It might be that I'm typing "c" and that activates the Change button. Lucky for me, I've usually got the Document rather than the Book radio button selected, so it only makes the change in the current chapter. And I can do a quick Undo Replace. Lucky until today, that is. This time the Book radio button was lit up, and Frame replaced x with y 27 times across all chapter files. And it opens each one, makes the changes, and closes it, so there is no Undo. I had to open up each of 18 chapter files, search for the replace text, evaluate each occurrence with my actual mind to see if was one of the inadvertent replacements, and fix it back. Anyone else experienced this? Any advice, other than to slow down and to rely less on keyboard shortcuts? Dave D. Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Phone: 425.653.1200 x278 Email: c.bertsche at tecplot.com<mailto:.c.bertsche at tecplot.com> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View 3535 Factoria Blvd. SE, Ste. 550 Bellevue, WA USA 98006 Fax: 425.653.9200 Web: www.tecplot.com<http://www.tecplot.com/>
Document formatting update
Hi Framer Friends, I'm using FM 7.2, will soon be updating to FM 9, and output PDFs through Acrobat and HTML through WebWorks. The manuals that I maintain for our company have become very dated-looking, and it looks like I might be given the exciting opportunity in these next couple months to update the formatting of the manuals. I appreciated the recent conversation about serif and sans-serif fonts, and am wondering if anyone has suggestions or guidelines or links to web sites on best practices or aesthetically-pleasing document layouts/formatting. The changes must be mainly executable through a FM template or other automated means, since some product manuals are quite long. To give you an idea of our status, these are the initial changes I'm hoping to make: - Change font from Times New Roman to something that looks better, like Palatino - Change page margins from optimizing for print (different left and right) to optimizing for screen-viewing - Update the look of our Note and Tip insets: images and layout Thanks, and sorry if this question is too broad! I won't be offended if no one answers. :) (If you are really bored and interested in helping, you can see our manuals at our web site. For example: http://tecplot.com/support/rs/docs.aspx. Just bear in mind that we have been limited in the resources allotted to keeping up the look and quality of each manual. :-\ :) ) Please feel free to reply directly to me and copy the list, since I receive the list in digest mode. Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Document formatting update
Hi Framer Friends, I'm using FM 7.2, will soon be updating to FM 9, and output PDFs through Acrobat and HTML through WebWorks. The manuals that I maintain for our company have become very dated-looking, and it looks like I might be given the exciting opportunity in these next couple months to update the formatting of the manuals. I appreciated the recent conversation about serif and sans-serif fonts, and am wondering if anyone has suggestions or guidelines or links to web sites on best practices or aesthetically-pleasing document layouts/formatting. The changes must be mainly executable through a FM template or other automated means, since some product manuals are quite long. To give you an idea of our status, these are the initial changes I'm hoping to make: - Change font from Times New Roman to something that looks better, like Palatino - Change page margins from optimizing for print (different left and right) to optimizing for screen-viewing - Update the look of our Note and Tip insets: images and layout Thanks, and sorry if this question is too broad! I won't be offended if no one answers. :) (If you are really bored and interested in helping, you can see our manuals at our web site. For example: http://tecplot.com/support/rs/docs.aspx. Just bear in mind that we have been limited in the resources allotted to keeping up the look and quality of each manual. :-\ :) ) Please feel free to reply directly to me and copy the list, since I receive the list in digest mode. Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc.
RE: Print Book-PDF Setup Drops Bookmarks
Smart, Richard! I hadn't investigated this before, but have now verified that your hypothesis works correctly in my installation of FM 9 (it's not TCS, just FM 9). PDF setup changes made in the Print Book dialog are not "sticky", but those made from Format > Document do seem to stick and are reflected in the Print Book dialog way of accessing the PDF setup. I guess it makes sense now that I understand it, so that I could make a "one-time" change through the Print dialog, or a lasting change through Format > Document. Just my testing skills to add to the theory, Callie Message: 5 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:43:19 -0600 From: "Combs, Richard" Subject: RE: Print Book-PDF Setup Drops Bookmarks To: "Corcoran, Susan" , Message-ID: <2d6eb362bfb0cc4a95cc3fc0c2f19f867fb...@wstexch03.westminster.polycom.co m> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Corcoran, Susan wrote: > The second problem I saw occurred when printing a book. I can use PDF > Setup to set my bookmarks, but I cannot save them. I click the Set > button, then make my print. The next time I open the Print Book panel, > my bookmark settings are gone and they're back to their defaults. So > every time I make a print, I have to set my pdf bookmarks. Sigh. So this is the behavior when you select File > Print Book and then click PDF Setup? Try setting up bookmarks via (from the book window) Format > Document > PDF Setup. I think they may have decoupled the two methods of reaching PDF Setup. That would be a departure from previous versions, but one could argue that it makes sense to treat setup changes made at the moment of printing as ad hoc. If I'm right, then the setup changes made via Format > Document should stick (and should be what the setup defaults to when you subsequently go the File > Print Book > PDF Setup route. I don't have FM 9, so I can't test this myself. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Print Book-PDF Setup Drops Bookmarks
Smart, Richard! I hadn't investigated this before, but have now verified that your hypothesis works correctly in my installation of FM 9 (it's not TCS, just FM 9). PDF setup changes made in the Print Book dialog are not "sticky", but those made from Format > Document do seem to stick and are reflected in the Print Book dialog way of accessing the PDF setup. I guess it makes sense now that I understand it, so that I could make a "one-time" change through the Print dialog, or a lasting change through Format > Document. Just my testing skills to add to the theory, Callie Message: 5 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:43:19 -0600 From: "Combs, Richard" Subject: RE: Print Book-PDF Setup Drops Bookmarks To: "Corcoran, Susan" , Message-ID: <2D6EB362BFB0CC4A95CC3FC0C2F19F867FBCC4 at wstexch03.westminster.polycom.co m> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Corcoran, Susan wrote: > The second problem I saw occurred when printing a book. I can use PDF > Setup to set my bookmarks, but I cannot save them. I click the Set > button, then make my print. The next time I open the Print Book panel, > my bookmark settings are gone and they're back to their defaults. So > every time I make a print, I have to set my pdf bookmarks. Sigh. So this is the behavior when you select File > Print Book and then click PDF Setup? Try setting up bookmarks via (from the book window) Format > Document > PDF Setup. I think they may have decoupled the two methods of reaching PDF Setup. That would be a departure from previous versions, but one could argue that it makes sense to treat setup changes made at the moment of printing as ad hoc. If I'm right, then the setup changes made via Format > Document should stick (and should be what the setup defaults to when you subsequently go the File > Print Book > PDF Setup route. I don't have FM 9, so I can't test this myself. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
RE: (Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame
*Slightly off-topic* For the record, although I agree that FM is far and away the more professional and versatile tool for extended publications, I have been won over to MS Word's ribbon. I also used to think of it as unintuitive - but after watching the video below and studying their UI design, I think that the steep learning curve and alternate way of thinking are the rough part, but after you learn to think of the tools visually rather than textually, the ribbon becomes more powerful than the older menus, and intuitive. Some will say that if you need a video or other training to understand the ribbon, it is not intuitive; rather, I think that we can use a video, training, or working with the ribbon long enough to shift our thinking from primarily textual to primarily visual. As a mac user first and always (when not at work), I still applaud MS for thinking outside the box on this one. Intriguing video (click on one of the "Story of the Ribbon" links on this blog): <http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbo n.aspx> Cheers and in good humor, Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. >> >>Message: 19 >>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:41:03 -0600 >>From: "Spectrum Writing " >>Subject: RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame >>As for 2007 - I agree about how non-intuitive the ribbons are, which just >>adds to the time. Finding a command that was once one click, maybe two >>clicks at most is now three to four, if it's even where you would expect to >>find it, is the norm with this blasted ribbon. >>My two cents worth, >>TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
(Slightly OT) Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame
*Slightly off-topic* For the record, although I agree that FM is far and away the more professional and versatile tool for extended publications, I have been won over to MS Word's ribbon. I also used to think of it as unintuitive - but after watching the video below and studying their UI design, I think that the steep learning curve and alternate way of thinking are the rough part, but after you learn to think of the tools visually rather than textually, the ribbon becomes more powerful than the older menus, and intuitive. Some will say that if you need a video or other training to understand the ribbon, it is not intuitive; rather, I think that we can use a video, training, or working with the ribbon long enough to shift our thinking from primarily textual to primarily visual. As a mac user first and always (when not at work), I still applaud MS for thinking outside the box on this one. Intriguing video (click on one of the "Story of the Ribbon" links on this blog): <http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2008/03/12/the-story-of-the-ribbo n.aspx> Cheers and in good humor, Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. >> >>Message: 19 >>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:41:03 -0600 >>From: "Spectrum Writing " >>Subject: RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame >>As for 2007 - I agree about how non-intuitive the ribbons are, which just >>adds to the time. Finding a command that was once one click, maybe two >>clicks at most is now three to four, if it's even where you would expect to >>find it, is the norm with this blasted ribbon. >>My two cents worth, >>TVB
Great Webinar by Shlomo Perets of Microtype.com
* NOT a vendor post, just a very satisfied attendee! :) * Hi Framers, I just attended Shlomo Peret's webinar on the top ten FrameMaker tips and tricks, and it was amazingly practical, useful, and easy to follow! Schlomo, I want to thank you again for a great webinar: I'm going to put into practice, literally today, at least three of the tips I learned from the webinar. And the rest will increase my productivity measurably in days to come. Definitely the best webinar I have ever "attended". Thanks again! Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Great Webinar by Shlomo Perets of Microtype.com
* NOT a vendor post, just a very satisfied attendee! :) * Hi Framers, I just attended Shlomo Peret's webinar on the top ten FrameMaker tips and tricks, and it was amazingly practical, useful, and easy to follow! Schlomo, I want to thank you again for a great webinar: I'm going to put into practice, literally today, at least three of the tips I learned from the webinar. And the rest will increase my productivity measurably in days to come. Definitely the best webinar I have ever "attended". Thanks again! Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc.
RE: Structured docs or conditional text
Hi Carl, Depending on the amount that your installation instructions differs between platforms, you may want to consider using separate docs with text insets (and variables, if appropriate) in addition to conditionalized text. I have found that for sections of the installation steps that vary only in product name, you can cut the text, put it in a separate document, refer to the product as a variable (example: "navigate to the [product] installation folder..."), and then import that file as a text inset. Repeat for each large chunk of nearly identical sections. Whether this is a good solution depends on your preference and the way your material varies. If you go with conditional text, I recommend conditionalizing by whole sentences or whole phrases, rather than letters or words. It will reduce the brain power you have to use to make sure all the spacing/grammar is correct. :) Cheers, Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com> ] On Behalf Of Carl Yorke Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured docs or conditional text Hi All, I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally. I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install instructions vary depending on the hardware. Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. Any thoughts? Thanks, Carl Yorke ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structured docs or conditional text
Hi Carl, Depending on the amount that your installation instructions differs between platforms, you may want to consider using separate docs with text insets (and variables, if appropriate) in addition to conditionalized text. I have found that for sections of the installation steps that vary only in product name, you can cut the text, put it in a separate document, refer to the product as a variable (example: "navigate to the [product] installation folder..."), and then import that file as a text inset. Repeat for each large chunk of nearly identical sections. Whether this is a good solution depends on your preference and the way your material varies. If you go with conditional text, I recommend conditionalizing by whole sentences or whole phrases, rather than letters or words. It will reduce the brain power you have to use to make sure all the spacing/grammar is correct. :) Cheers, Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com> ] On Behalf Of Carl Yorke Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:11 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Structured docs or conditional text Hi All, I came to tech writing late in life (ten years ago), so there's a lot about it, and technology, that doesn't come naturally. I want to single source my install instructions. All outputs right now are PDF, but I need to document how to install our product for production, for QA, and for demos. In addition, the install instructions vary depending on the hardware. Conditional text seems awfully complex for this situation, and I don't even know if using structured FrameMaker is a possible solution. Any thoughts? Thanks, Carl Yorke
RE: TimeSavers Plugin Settings
Thanks, Shlomo! The official word is out, Framers (many of you probably already know this) - TimeSavers just saved me tons of time by deleting all my relative paths of FM books in different directories so I can store all my finished PDFs in the same directory and have all my inter-manual links work! Shlomo was v. helpful getting my distiller set up right after Baruch and Richard pointed me in the right direction. No repetitive fixing all inter-manual links for me today! Yay! Thanks again, Shlomo and Baruch and everyone. :o) Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. > -Original Message- > From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:11 AM > To: Callie Bertsche; framers@lists.frameusers.com; > frame2acro...@yahoogroups.com; richard.co...@polycom.com; > bar...@technitext.com; qui...@airmail.net > Subject: RE: TimeSavers Plugin Settings > > Callie, > > You wrote: > > >Thanks all!! Excellent advice and works great! > > Thanks to Baruch Brodersen, Richard Combs and Scott Turner! > (who were faster to answer than I was) > > -- Indeed, with Acrobat 8.1 or later, Distiller has to be > started with the -F flag so that it has access to external > references (including TimeSavers' > files). > > -- After upgrading to Acrobat 8.1 or later, FM's "Save as > PDF" with TimeSavers settings requires FrameMaker 8.0p266 or > higher (which start Distiller with the -F flag). > [notice that the -F flag has the opposite meaning of "do not > allow file access" in Acrobat versions earlier than 8, so > "Save as PDF" with TimeSavers settings won't work with FM8/9 > and Acrobat 7; printing to PS files and distilling should be > used instead. One other version-related > issue: TS version 5.5 is required with FrameMaker 8 or higher] > > > >So now my hypertext link to a separate directory works great as a > >relative reference! > > > >But the paths are still not getting stripped from my inter-PDF cross > >references. (I have Remove Path toggled on in the TimeSavers > Settings, > >too.) I was hoping to have TimeSavers make inter-manual > >cross-references work so I don't have to put all my final > documents in > >one massive folder before I build them. Thoughts, anyone? > > Turning on "Remove Path" under Cross-file links > (Links/General tab) will indeed remove the path from links > (created through FM cross-references or hypertext markers). > > When inspecting the links in Acrobat, be aware that Acrobat > always displays the current file path, which may be misleading. > For example, if you have two PDFs in the same temp folder, > with relative links from a.pdf to b.pdf, the target file will > be reported in Acrobat's Link Properties dialog box as: > C:\temp\b.pdf (even though the link only points to b.pdf in > the current folder) If you get a different result, please > send me a sample .ps file and the resulting .pdf as produced > on your system (together with Distiller's log file). > > [Note: the "Default path for files referenced in shortcuts" > is not related to the Remove Path function; it only applies > to command files executed from TimeSavers shortcuts using "distillP"] > > Please don't hesitate to contact me directly with any related > question or comment. > [I separately sent you an invitation to join the > frame2acrobat discussion/support list]. > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * > FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers > > 30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants: > http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html > > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TimeSavers Plugin Settings
Thanks, Shlomo! The official word is out, Framers (many of you probably already know this) - TimeSavers just saved me tons of time by deleting all my relative paths of FM books in different directories so I can store all my finished PDFs in the same directory and have all my inter-manual links work! Shlomo was v. helpful getting my distiller set up right after Baruch and Richard pointed me in the right direction. No repetitive fixing all inter-manual links for me today! Yay! Thanks again, Shlomo and Baruch and everyone. :o) Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. > -Original Message- > From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlomo2 at microtype.com] > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:11 AM > To: Callie Bertsche; framers at lists.frameusers.com; > frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com; richard.combs at Polycom.com; > baruch at technitext.com; quills at airmail.net > Subject: RE: TimeSavers Plugin Settings > > Callie, > > You wrote: > > >Thanks all!! Excellent advice and works great! > > Thanks to Baruch Brodersen, Richard Combs and Scott Turner! > (who were faster to answer than I was) > > -- Indeed, with Acrobat 8.1 or later, Distiller has to be > started with the -F flag so that it has access to external > references (including TimeSavers' > files). > > -- After upgrading to Acrobat 8.1 or later, FM's "Save as > PDF" with TimeSavers settings requires FrameMaker 8.0p266 or > higher (which start Distiller with the -F flag). > [notice that the -F flag has the opposite meaning of "do not > allow file access" in Acrobat versions earlier than 8, so > "Save as PDF" with TimeSavers settings won't work with FM8/9 > and Acrobat 7; printing to PS files and distilling should be > used instead. One other version-related > issue: TS version 5.5 is required with FrameMaker 8 or higher] > > > >So now my hypertext link to a separate directory works great as a > >relative reference! > > > >But the paths are still not getting stripped from my inter-PDF cross > >references. (I have Remove Path toggled on in the TimeSavers > Settings, > >too.) I was hoping to have TimeSavers make inter-manual > >cross-references work so I don't have to put all my final > documents in > >one massive folder before I build them. Thoughts, anyone? > > Turning on "Remove Path" under Cross-file links > (Links/General tab) will indeed remove the path from links > (created through FM cross-references or hypertext markers). > > When inspecting the links in Acrobat, be aware that Acrobat > always displays the current file path, which may be misleading. > For example, if you have two PDFs in the same temp folder, > with relative links from a.pdf to b.pdf, the target file will > be reported in Acrobat's Link Properties dialog box as: > C:\temp\b.pdf (even though the link only points to b.pdf in > the current folder) If you get a different result, please > send me a sample .ps file and the resulting .pdf as produced > on your system (together with Distiller's log file). > > [Note: the "Default path for files referenced in shortcuts" > is not related to the Remove Path function; it only applies > to command files executed from TimeSavers shortcuts using "distillP"] > > Please don't hesitate to contact me directly with any related > question or comment. > [I separately sent you an invitation to join the > frame2acrobat discussion/support list]. > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * > FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers > > 30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants: > http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html > > > >
RE: TimeSavers Plugin Settings
Thanks all!! Excellent advice and works great! So now my hypertext link to a separate directory works great as a relative reference! But the paths are still not getting stripped from my inter-PDF cross references. (I have Remove Path toggled on in the TimeSavers Settings, too.) I was hoping to have TimeSavers make inter-manual cross-references work so I don't have to put all my final documents in one massive folder before I build them. Thoughts, anyone? > -Original Message- > From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:32 PM > To: qui...@airmail.net; Callie Bertsche > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: TimeSavers Plugin Settings > > qui...@airmail.net wrote: > > > You must change your printer instance to the Postscript > printer, and > > then print your book to file. Your result will be a .ps > (postscript) > > file. This is the file you will distill. > > Quick clarification/amplification: Set your printer (in FM) > to Adobe PDF. Don't use just _any_ PostScript printer. > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TimeSavers Plugin Settings
Thanks all!! Excellent advice and works great! So now my hypertext link to a separate directory works great as a relative reference! But the paths are still not getting stripped from my inter-PDF cross references. (I have Remove Path toggled on in the TimeSavers Settings, too.) I was hoping to have TimeSavers make inter-manual cross-references work so I don't have to put all my final documents in one massive folder before I build them. Thoughts, anyone? > -Original Message- > From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:32 PM > To: quills at airmail.net; Callie Bertsche > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: TimeSavers Plugin Settings > > quills at airmail.net wrote: > > > You must change your printer instance to the Postscript > printer, and > > then print your book to file. Your result will be a .ps > (postscript) > > file. This is the file you will distill. > > Quick clarification/amplification: Set your printer (in FM) > to Adobe PDF. Don't use just _any_ PostScript printer. > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > >
RE: TimeSavers Plugin Settings
I received a reply on my TimeSavers post from Baruch, explaining that TimeSavers settings will not be picked up by Acrobat versions 8.1+ when the PDF is created from within FrameMaker (Save As>PDF), because the distiller has to be started with a -F flag. FM 8+ does this automatically, apparently, and Acrobat 7 and earlier did not require the -F flag. So Baruch told me how to start the distiller with the -F flag. But does anyone know how to create a PDF from .book/.fm files from within Acrobat Distiller? I've only done it as Save As>PDF before, and when in the Distiller I do File>Open, it doesn't like my .book/.fm files (it tries to build a PDF but fails). Thanks for any help!! And thanks again, Baruch! Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Callie > > Bertsche > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:01 AM > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: TimeSavers Plugin Settings > > > > Dear Dependable Framers, > > I am having some TimeSaver FM plugin issues. Do not have TimeSaver > > User's Guide (inherited doc system that did not have the TS > UG); have > > requested it but has not yet been sent. > > > > FM 7.2, TimeSavers 4.0, Acrobat 9 > > > > I need to use TimeSavers to strip the path portion out of > my external > > cross-references as I am building multiple books that will > sit in the > > same directory (I know, I brought this up six months ago and didn't > > want to use TimeSavers, but now I want to save some > time...). Also, I > > would like to use TimeSavers to link to an HTML page in a separate > > directory (adkrm/index.html). > > > > So far, I have: > > 1. Created cross-refs as normal in FM documents 2. Resolved all > > cross-refs and have all books/fm files with linking between > them open > > when building PDF 3. In TimeSavers Settings dialog, have > all options > > toggled off on pages Bmk Functions, Bmk Extraction, Bmk > Style and Bmk > > Start. > > On Links/General page, have toggled-on "Process TimeSavers > > shortcuts" and added "adkrm/" as the "Default path for files > > referenced in shortcuts" > >Toggled-on first three toggles uncer the Cross-file > links region of > > the Links/General page. > > 4. Marker text that I want to lead to the adkrm/index.html > > reads: alert ~ FileLink (index.html) 5. Build book by doing File > > > Save Book As > PDF > and set PDF Job Options to one mentioning > > TimeSavers in the PDF Setup for Selected Files dialog. > > > > Anyone want to take a stab at what I am missing/haven't thought > > of..? Thanks! > > Please feel free to reply specifically to me as well as to the list > > since I am on Digest mode. > > > > Callie Bertsche > > Tecplot, Inc. > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TimeSavers Plugin Settings
I received a reply on my TimeSavers post from Baruch, explaining that TimeSavers settings will not be picked up by Acrobat versions 8.1+ when the PDF is created from within FrameMaker (Save As>PDF), because the distiller has to be started with a -F flag. FM 8+ does this automatically, apparently, and Acrobat 7 and earlier did not require the -F flag. So Baruch told me how to start the distiller with the -F flag. But does anyone know how to create a PDF from .book/.fm files from within Acrobat Distiller? I've only done it as Save As>PDF before, and when in the Distiller I do File>Open, it doesn't like my .book/.fm files (it tries to build a PDF but fails). Thanks for any help!! And thanks again, Baruch! Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Callie > > Bertsche > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:01 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: TimeSavers Plugin Settings > > > > Dear Dependable Framers, > > I am having some TimeSaver FM plugin issues. Do not have TimeSaver > > User's Guide (inherited doc system that did not have the TS > UG); have > > requested it but has not yet been sent. > > > > FM 7.2, TimeSavers 4.0, Acrobat 9 > > > > I need to use TimeSavers to strip the path portion out of > my external > > cross-references as I am building multiple books that will > sit in the > > same directory (I know, I brought this up six months ago and didn't > > want to use TimeSavers, but now I want to save some > time...). Also, I > > would like to use TimeSavers to link to an HTML page in a separate > > directory (adkrm/index.html). > > > > So far, I have: > > 1. Created cross-refs as normal in FM documents 2. Resolved all > > cross-refs and have all books/fm files with linking between > them open > > when building PDF 3. In TimeSavers Settings dialog, have > all options > > toggled off on pages Bmk Functions, Bmk Extraction, Bmk > Style and Bmk > > Start. > > On Links/General page, have toggled-on "Process TimeSavers > > shortcuts" and added "adkrm/" as the "Default path for files > > referenced in shortcuts" > >Toggled-on first three toggles uncer the Cross-file > links region of > > the Links/General page. > > 4. Marker text that I want to lead to the adkrm/index.html > > reads: alert ~ FileLink (index.html) 5. Build book by doing File > > > Save Book As > PDF > and set PDF Job Options to one mentioning > > TimeSavers in the PDF Setup for Selected Files dialog. > > > > Anyone want to take a stab at what I am missing/haven't thought > > of..? Thanks! > > Please feel free to reply specifically to me as well as to the list > > since I am on Digest mode. > > > > Callie Bertsche > > Tecplot, Inc. > > >
TimeSavers Plugin Settings
Dear Dependable Framers, I am having some TimeSaver FM plugin issues. Do not have TimeSaver User's Guide (inherited doc system that did not have the TS UG); have requested it but has not yet been sent. FM 7.2, TimeSavers 4.0, Acrobat 9 I need to use TimeSavers to strip the path portion out of my external cross-references as I am building multiple books that will sit in the same directory (I know, I brought this up six months ago and didn't want to use TimeSavers, but now I want to save some time...). Also, I would like to use TimeSavers to link to an HTML page in a separate directory (adkrm/index.html). So far, I have: 1. Created cross-refs as normal in FM documents 2. Resolved all cross-refs and have all books/fm files with linking between them open when building PDF 3. In TimeSavers Settings dialog, have all options toggled off on pages Bmk Functions, Bmk Extraction, Bmk Style and Bmk Start. On Links/General page, have toggled-on "Process TimeSavers shortcuts" and added "adkrm/" as the "Default path for files referenced in shortcuts" Toggled-on first three toggles uncer the Cross-file links region of the Links/General page. 4. Marker text that I want to lead to the adkrm/index.html reads: alert ~ FileLink (index.html) 5. Build book by doing File > Save Book As > PDF > and set PDF Job Options to one mentioning TimeSavers in the PDF Setup for Selected Files dialog. Anyone want to take a stab at what I am missing/haven't thought of..? Thanks! Please feel free to reply specifically to me as well as to the list since I am on Digest mode. Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TimeSavers Plugin Settings
Dear Dependable Framers, I am having some TimeSaver FM plugin issues. Do not have TimeSaver User's Guide (inherited doc system that did not have the TS UG); have requested it but has not yet been sent. FM 7.2, TimeSavers 4.0, Acrobat 9 I need to use TimeSavers to strip the path portion out of my external cross-references as I am building multiple books that will sit in the same directory (I know, I brought this up six months ago and didn't want to use TimeSavers, but now I want to save some time...). Also, I would like to use TimeSavers to link to an HTML page in a separate directory (adkrm/index.html). So far, I have: 1. Created cross-refs as normal in FM documents 2. Resolved all cross-refs and have all books/fm files with linking between them open when building PDF 3. In TimeSavers Settings dialog, have all options toggled off on pages Bmk Functions, Bmk Extraction, Bmk Style and Bmk Start. On Links/General page, have toggled-on "Process TimeSavers shortcuts" and added "adkrm/" as the "Default path for files referenced in shortcuts" Toggled-on first three toggles uncer the Cross-file links region of the Links/General page. 4. Marker text that I want to lead to the adkrm/index.html reads: alert ~ FileLink (index.html) 5. Build book by doing File > Save Book As > PDF > and set PDF Job Options to one mentioning TimeSavers in the PDF Setup for Selected Files dialog. Anyone want to take a stab at what I am missing/haven't thought of..? Thanks! Please feel free to reply specifically to me as well as to the list since I am on Digest mode. Callie Bertsche Tecplot, Inc.
RE: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
Thank you! Awesome! My document looks so much better between these two solutions. > -Original Message- > From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:19 AM > To: Callie Bertsche > Cc: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting > > You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by > experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format > Document > > Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70% > and the offset to something that will not change the line > height. Just remember that this will affect the whole > document for everything that is in Superscript. > > Bodvar > > 2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche : > > Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does > > drive my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the > > footnote number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with > > the text), but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How > > could I have missed that little checkbox. > > > > Callie > > > > > > > > > > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM > >To: Callie Bertsche > >Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting > > > > > >In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space > checkbox. That > > turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters. > > > >Art > > > >Art Campbell > > art.campb...@gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world > beats a '52 > > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No > > disclaimers apply. > > > > DoD 358 > > > > > > > >On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche > > wrote: > > > > > >Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM > > document without > >disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a > > footnote, it increases > >the line spacing just for the line that includes the > > footnote reference > >number. It's driving one of my product > owners crazy, so > > I'm looking for > >a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, > this problem > > is solved by > >having a little larger default line spacing, > into which > > a footnote ref > >number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line > > spacing of the > >paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've > > also tried adjusting > >the footnote settings in Format > Document > > Footnote > > properties, but > >the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the > > position to > >Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although > > Baseline results in no > >line spacing change, the number no longer > looks like a > > footnote. > > > >I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me > > directly I'll > >receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on > > Digest mode. > >Thanks! > > > >Callie Bertsche > >Technical Writer > > > >Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View > > > > > >___ > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as > > art.campb...@gmail.com. > > > >Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > >or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > > il > > .com > > > >Send administrative questions to > > listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more > resources and info. > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bod...@gmail.com. > > >
Footnotes and paragraph formatting
Thank you! Awesome! My document looks so much better between these two solutions. > -Original Message- > From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:19 AM > To: Callie Bertsche > Cc: Art Campbell; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting > > You can manage that too by setting the size and offset by > experimenting with the size and offset percentage in Format > Document > > Text Options dialog box. Try changing the size of Superscript to 70% > and the offset to something that will not change the line > height. Just remember that this will affect the whole > document for everything that is in Superscript. > > Bodvar > > 2009/1/27 Callie Bertsche : > > Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does > > drive my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the > > footnote number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with > > the text), but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How > > could I have missed that little checkbox. > > > > Callie > > > > > > > > > >From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM > >To: Callie Bertsche > >Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting > > > > > >In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space > checkbox. That > > turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters. > > > >Art > > > >Art Campbell > > art.campbell at gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world > beats a '52 > > Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No > > disclaimers apply. > > > > DoD 358 > > > > > > > >On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche > > wrote: > > > > > >Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM > > document without > >disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a > > footnote, it increases > >the line spacing just for the line that includes the > > footnote reference > >number. It's driving one of my product > owners crazy, so > > I'm looking for > >a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, > this problem > > is solved by > >having a little larger default line spacing, > into which > > a footnote ref > >number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line > > spacing of the > >paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've > > also tried adjusting > >the footnote settings in Format > Document > > Footnote > > properties, but > >the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the > > position to > >Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although > > Baseline results in no > >line spacing change, the number no longer > looks like a > > footnote. > > > >I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me > > directly I'll > >receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on > > Digest mode. > >Thanks! > > > >Callie Bertsche > >Technical Writer > > > >Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View > > > > > >___ > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as > > art.campbell at gmail.com. > > > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > >or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > > il > > .com > > > >Send administrative questions to > > listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more > resources and info. > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > > -- > "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools > are so ingenious." > -- Edsel Murphy, dec. >
RE: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little checkbox.
Callie
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
To: Callie Bertsche
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No
disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
wrote:
Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the
footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
I'm looking for
a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
is solved by
having a little larger default line spacing, into which
a footnote ref
number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
spacing of the
paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
tried adjusting
the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote
properties, but
the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
position to
Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
Baseline results in no
line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
footnote.
I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
directly I'll
receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
Digest mode.
Thanks!
Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer
Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
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Footnotes and paragraph formatting
Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little checkbox.
Callie
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
To: Callie Bertsche
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting
In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.
Art
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No
disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
wrote:
Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the
footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
I'm looking for
a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
is solved by
having a little larger default line spacing, into which
a footnote ref
number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
spacing of the
paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
tried adjusting
the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote
properties, but
the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
position to
Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
Baseline results in no
line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
footnote.
I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
directly I'll
receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
Digest mode.
Thanks!
Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer
Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
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Footnotes and paragraph formatting
Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem is solved by having a little larger default line spacing, into which a footnote ref number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line spacing of the paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also tried adjusting the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote properties, but the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the position to Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although Baseline results in no line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a footnote. I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me directly I'll receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on Digest mode. Thanks! Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Footnotes and paragraph formatting
Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem is solved by having a little larger default line spacing, into which a footnote ref number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line spacing of the paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also tried adjusting the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote properties, but the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the position to Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although Baseline results in no line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a footnote. I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me directly I'll receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on Digest mode. Thanks! Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
Is there a Frame with RoboHelp digest out there?
I apologize for straying slightly off topic, especially since as a loyal framer I appreciate the lack of extraneous postings that bloat other digests. However, I am v. eager to find a RoboHelp digest. Does anyone know of one out there? Have googled to no avail. As a Framer / WebWorks user I am interested in hearing how the new release of RoboHelp is shaping up. We recently downloaded the trial of FrameMaker 9, and it is v. beautiful. Warning to other Framers: playing with the trial of FrameMaker 9 for only a short time will make going back to earlier versions of FrameMaker painful. :) I love the docked windows and customizable, updated interface of FM 9! Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Tecplot, Inc. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Is there a Frame with RoboHelp digest out there?
I apologize for straying slightly off topic, especially since as a loyal framer I appreciate the lack of extraneous postings that bloat other digests. However, I am v. eager to find a RoboHelp digest. Does anyone know of one out there? Have googled to no avail. As a Framer / WebWorks user I am interested in hearing how the new release of RoboHelp is shaping up. We recently downloaded the trial of FrameMaker 9, and it is v. beautiful. Warning to other Framers: playing with the trial of FrameMaker 9 for only a short time will make going back to earlier versions of FrameMaker painful. :) I love the docked windows and customizable, updated interface of FM 9! Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Tecplot, Inc.
RE: MadCap Flare
Thank you. It's good caution.
My hangup with TCS was forums like this one:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=65&;
catid=680&threadid=1392783&enterthread=y where multiple users have
trouble integrating FM 8 with RH 7.
Do you use FM as authoring source to generate help? Have you similarly
evaluated Robohelp 7? Not challenging your assessment! Just looking for
additional info. :) My dream for our help bundle is generation from a
script in our nightly product build, which would negate the need for any
personal postprocessing.
Callie
From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:07 AM
To: Callie Bertsche
Subject: RE: MadCap Flare
If I were making the decision and retaining FrameMaker as the
primary authoring tool is an objective, I'd be considering the
Adobe Technical Communications Suite rather than Flare.
Based on my participation in the Flare beta program, I think
its biggest virtues come if you are using it as its own
authoring
tool (treating it as an IDE, which is how they architected it)
rather than trying to use it as an output conversion tool for
some other autoring tool (e.g. Word or FrameMaker). The
Adobe TCS achieves live linkage between FrameMaker source
files and RoboHelp so that one a project is fully set up, you
do all your updates in Frame and then simply regenerate the
help without having to do any significant pre- or
post-processing.
> Subject: MadCap Flare
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:42:37 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> Hi Framers,
> Due to frustration using ePublisher Pro and the coding
learning curve of
> Mif2Go, we are seriously considering switching help generation
software
> to MadCap Flare. I know I've generated chatter about this
before, so I'm
> sorry if this feels repetitive; but can I get any more input
from anyone
> who uses Flare with FrameMaker (7.2) to generate extensive
> single-sourced material? More words of caution or advice? I've
evaluated
> the software to a fair extent and it seems capable; I'm really
excited
> that it can generate help from the command line. But because
it's a
> younger product, I would really value any more input from
others who
> have taken the plunge.
>
> I generate thousands of pages into about 22 manuals and 3
online help
> bundles. Currently ePP 9.1, Frame 7.2, WebWorks help output.
My primary
> concern in upgrading to the newer ePP was the glitch where it
randomly
> skips filename markers in the output, leaving me without
random pages
> that I need (I've heard that they've fixed it, but I've also
heard that
> it didn't work for at least one user), as well as the glee
that
> producing help from the command line would give me.
>
> Cheers,
> Callie
>
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MadCap Flare
Thank you. It's good caution.
My hangup with TCS was forums like this one:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=65&;
catid=680&threadid=1392783&enterthread=y where multiple users have
trouble integrating FM 8 with RH 7.
Do you use FM as authoring source to generate help? Have you similarly
evaluated Robohelp 7? Not challenging your assessment! Just looking for
additional info. :) My dream for our help bundle is generation from a
script in our nightly product build, which would negate the need for any
personal postprocessing.
Callie
From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:07 AM
To: Callie Bertsche
Subject: RE: MadCap Flare
If I were making the decision and retaining FrameMaker as the
primary authoring tool is an objective, I'd be considering the
Adobe Technical Communications Suite rather than Flare.
Based on my participation in the Flare beta program, I think
its biggest virtues come if you are using it as its own
authoring
tool (treating it as an IDE, which is how they architected it)
rather than trying to use it as an output conversion tool for
some other autoring tool (e.g. Word or FrameMaker). The
Adobe TCS achieves live linkage between FrameMaker source
files and RoboHelp so that one a project is fully set up, you
do all your updates in Frame and then simply regenerate the
help without having to do any significant pre- or
post-processing.
> Subject: MadCap Flare
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:42:37 -0700
> From: c.bertsche at tecplot.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>
> Hi Framers,
> Due to frustration using ePublisher Pro and the coding
learning curve of
> Mif2Go, we are seriously considering switching help generation
software
> to MadCap Flare. I know I've generated chatter about this
before, so I'm
> sorry if this feels repetitive; but can I get any more input
from anyone
> who uses Flare with FrameMaker (7.2) to generate extensive
> single-sourced material? More words of caution or advice? I've
evaluated
> the software to a fair extent and it seems capable; I'm really
excited
> that it can generate help from the command line. But because
it's a
> younger product, I would really value any more input from
others who
> have taken the plunge.
>
> I generate thousands of pages into about 22 manuals and 3
online help
> bundles. Currently ePP 9.1, Frame 7.2, WebWorks help output.
My primary
> concern in upgrading to the newer ePP was the glitch where it
randomly
> skips filename markers in the output, leaving me without
random pages
> that I need (I've heard that they've fixed it, but I've also
heard that
> it didn't work for at least one user), as well as the glee
that
> producing help from the command line would give me.
>
> Cheers,
> Callie
>
RE: How to add double line ruling to bottom of first row of table
Thanks all for your help! Wim's and Stuart's solutions worked great. > -Original Message- > From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:12 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Callie Bertsche > Subject: RE: How to add double line ruling to bottom of first > row of table > > Hi callie, > > Also note that this ruling style only works when you really > use a heading row. It won't work on just the first row of a > table when it's a body row. To test this: addd a new row to > the table and choose add to heading row. If the double line > appears now you know there was no heading row before... > > Unfortunately you can not directly change a body row to > heading row (unless you have the table cleaner plug in > installed). You'll have to add it and delete the current body > row that acted as heading. > > HTH > > > Vriendelijke groet, > > Wim Hooghwinkel > > Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker > > iDTP > > International DTP and Documentation Consultancy > > tel. +31652036811 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.idtp.eu > > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to add double line ruling to bottom of first row of table
Thanks all for your help! Wim's and Stuart's solutions worked great. > -Original Message- > From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:12 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Callie Bertsche > Subject: RE: How to add double line ruling to bottom of first > row of table > > Hi callie, > > Also note that this ruling style only works when you really > use a heading row. It won't work on just the first row of a > table when it's a body row. To test this: addd a new row to > the table and choose add to heading row. If the double line > appears now you know there was no heading row before... > > Unfortunately you can not directly change a body row to > heading row (unless you have the table cleaner plug in > installed). You'll have to add it and delete the current body > row that acted as heading. > > HTH > > > Vriendelijke groet, > > Wim Hooghwinkel > > Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker > > iDTP > > International DTP and Documentation Consultancy > > tel. +31652036811 > info at idtp.eu > www.idtp.eu > > > >
MadCap Flare
Hi Framers, Due to frustration using ePublisher Pro and the coding learning curve of Mif2Go, we are seriously considering switching help generation software to MadCap Flare. I know I've generated chatter about this before, so I'm sorry if this feels repetitive; but can I get any more input from anyone who uses Flare with FrameMaker (7.2) to generate extensive single-sourced material? More words of caution or advice? I've evaluated the software to a fair extent and it seems capable; I'm really excited that it can generate help from the command line. But because it's a younger product, I would really value any more input from others who have taken the plunge. I generate thousands of pages into about 22 manuals and 3 online help bundles. Currently ePP 9.1, Frame 7.2, WebWorks help output. My primary concern in upgrading to the newer ePP was the glitch where it randomly skips filename markers in the output, leaving me without random pages that I need (I've heard that they've fixed it, but I've also heard that it didn't work for at least one user), as well as the glee that producing help from the command line would give me. Cheers, Callie ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
MadCap Flare
Hi Framers, Due to frustration using ePublisher Pro and the coding learning curve of Mif2Go, we are seriously considering switching help generation software to MadCap Flare. I know I've generated chatter about this before, so I'm sorry if this feels repetitive; but can I get any more input from anyone who uses Flare with FrameMaker (7.2) to generate extensive single-sourced material? More words of caution or advice? I've evaluated the software to a fair extent and it seems capable; I'm really excited that it can generate help from the command line. But because it's a younger product, I would really value any more input from others who have taken the plunge. I generate thousands of pages into about 22 manuals and 3 online help bundles. Currently ePP 9.1, Frame 7.2, WebWorks help output. My primary concern in upgrading to the newer ePP was the glitch where it randomly skips filename markers in the output, leaving me without random pages that I need (I've heard that they've fixed it, but I've also heard that it didn't work for at least one user), as well as the glee that producing help from the command line would give me. Cheers, Callie
How to add double line ruling to bottom of first row of table
I inherited a scripting guide with many tables. These tables all have one header row, with an associated paragraph tag, and multiple paragraph tags used within the subsequent rows. Some of these header rows have a double line ruling between the header row and the rest of the table. Some tables' header rows have only a single line ruling. How do I add a double line ruling to the header rows that have only a single line ruling? I've tried using the Table Designer, looked on the Ruling page, and the tables have "Double" selected for the Separators and Rows drop-down menus in the Heading and Footing Ruling region of the page. No matter what combination of Heading and Footing Rulings I try, it only affects the last row in the table, not the header row. Thanks, Callie ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to add double line ruling to bottom of first row of table
I inherited a scripting guide with many tables. These tables all have one header row, with an associated paragraph tag, and multiple paragraph tags used within the subsequent rows. Some of these header rows have a double line ruling between the header row and the rest of the table. Some tables' header rows have only a single line ruling. How do I add a double line ruling to the header rows that have only a single line ruling? I've tried using the Table Designer, looked on the Ruling page, and the tables have "Double" selected for the Separators and Rows drop-down menus in the Heading and Footing Ruling region of the page. No matter what combination of Heading and Footing Rulings I try, it only affects the last row in the table, not the header row. Thanks, Callie
RE: Cross references between books
Thanks, Fred.
I do want to nest my PDF's by one level, although not by the two levels
they are currently nested in my doc tree. I like your idea of putting
them in a common "build" folder, but since this changes my level
hierarchy, I will have to go through and fix every cross reference
between the books when I put them in this folder. I think I can save the
.fm file as a .mif, wash one level of the relative path, and resave it
as the .fm file, but I feel like that's not going to be a fun process if
I want fully operational PDFs very often.
How do others address this...is it better to put all your books in one
folder to begin with?
From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:16 PM
To: Callie Bertsche; Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cross references between books
Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick:
> Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files
are so
> nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change
this with
> an add-on like Timesavers...
As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather
than
separate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that
the
book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files
in the
correct locations relative to their respective book files, of
course).
When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker and
Acrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book
level. It
doesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the
book.
Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works
well
is to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a
special
"build" directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once
the
PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And
Bruce Foster's Archive tool makes it relatively painless to
collect up
and make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book.
-Fred Ridder
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Cross references between books
Thanks, Fred.
I do want to nest my PDF's by one level, although not by the two levels
they are currently nested in my doc tree. I like your idea of putting
them in a common "build" folder, but since this changes my level
hierarchy, I will have to go through and fix every cross reference
between the books when I put them in this folder. I think I can save the
.fm file as a .mif, wash one level of the relative path, and resave it
as the .fm file, but I feel like that's not going to be a fun process if
I want fully operational PDFs very often.
How do others address this...is it better to put all your books in one
folder to begin with?
From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:16 PM
To: Callie Bertsche; Art Campbell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cross references between books
Callie Bertsche responded to Art and Rick:
> Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files
are so
> nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change
this with
> an add-on like Timesavers...
As long as you are generating a single PDF for each book (rather
than
separate files for each chapter), you only have to ensure that
the
book files are in the same directory (with all the chapter files
in the
correct locations relative to their respective book files, of
course).
When you're making a single PDF from each book, FrameMaker and
Acrobat only resolve the relative file locations at the book
level. It
doesn't matter haw the component files are organized below the
book.
Inter-book links can get pretty messy. One approach that works
well
is to make a duplicate of each book and all its components in a
special
"build" directory for the sole purpose of making the PDFs. Once
the
PDFs have been checked, you can scrap the duplicate copies. And
Bruce Foster's Archive tool makes it relatively painless to
collect up
and make duplicates of all the files that comprise each book.
-Fred Ridder
RE: Cross references between books
Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with an add-on like Timesavers... > -Original Message- > From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:51 PM > To: Callie Bertsche > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Cross references between books > > So to illustrate what Rick pointed out, if your FM files are > set up like this: > > Product > | > --- > | | > Guide A Guide B > > Your PDFs, after you deliver them, have to be in the same > relative directories. They can't be moved, or the links will break. > > Art > > Art Campbell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a > '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson > No > disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Rick Quatro > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Callie, > > > > The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as > the relative > > positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the > links to work. > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc > > 585-659-8267 > > www.frameexpert.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Callie Bertsche" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM > > Subject: Cross references between books > > > > > >> Hi Framers, > >> I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. > >> X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to > >> cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works > >> fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: > "There was > >> an error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've > >> taken the following steps: > >> > >> 1. I have all files of both books open when building > either book 2. I > >> have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the > >> cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the > cross ref in > >> book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref > >> tags had been missing from book B for some reason > >> > >> I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one > >> folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I > >> successfully use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink > >> ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the > two PDFs in > >> one folder and it didn't help. > >> > >> Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, > >> please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have > the list set > >> on digest mode. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Callie > >> ___ > > > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > > il.com > > > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross references between books
Thanks to both of you! A v. logical solution. Hmm, my files are so nested, sub-optimal for inclusion...I wonder if I can change this with an add-on like Timesavers... > -Original Message- > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:51 PM > To: Callie Bertsche > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Cross references between books > > So to illustrate what Rick pointed out, if your FM files are > set up like this: > > Product > | > --- > | | > Guide A Guide B > > Your PDFs, after you deliver them, have to be in the same > relative directories. They can't be moved, or the links will break. > > Art > > Art Campbell > art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a > '52 Vincent and a redheaded grl." -- Richard Thompson > No > disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > > Hi Callie, > > > > The relative positions of the PDFs have to be the same as > the relative > > positions of the FrameMaker documents in order for the > links to work. > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc > > 585-659-8267 > > www.frameexpert.com > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Callie Bertsche" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:33 PM > > Subject: Cross references between books > > > > > >> Hi Framers, > >> I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. > >> X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to > >> cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works > >> fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: > "There was > >> an error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've > >> taken the following steps: > >> > >> 1. I have all files of both books open when building > either book 2. I > >> have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the > >> cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the > cross ref in > >> book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref > >> tags had been missing from book B for some reason > >> > >> I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one > >> folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I > >> successfully use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink > >> ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the > two PDFs in > >> one folder and it didn't help. > >> > >> Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, > >> please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have > the list set > >> on digest mode. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Callie > >> ___ > > > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > > il.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >
Cross references between books
Hi Framers, I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: "There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've taken the following steps: 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had been missing from book B for some reason I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in one folder and it didn't help. Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest mode. Cheers, Callie ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Cross references between books
Hi Framers, I'm having trouble linking (doing cross-references) between books. X-refs work fine within each of books A and B, but when I try to cross-ref from book A to a specific header in the book B, it works fine in FM, but once I've PDFd the books I get this error: "There was an error opening this document. This file cannot be found." I've taken the following steps: 1. I have all files of both books open when building either book 2. I have replaced each cross reference in book A. I can open the cross-ref in FM by pressing CTRL-ALT and clicking on the cross ref in book A 3. I rebuilt book B as well as book A in case the cross ref tags had been missing from book B for some reason I do have one other factor that might acct for this: book B is one folder over from book A. To link to the title of book B, I successfully use a hypertext marker in the form "openlink ..\book_b_folder\book_b.pdf. However, I tried putting the two PDFs in one folder and it didn't help. Thanks for any sleuthing hints you can offer! If you don't mind, please reply to myself as well as the list, since I have the list set on digest mode. Cheers, Callie
FW: ePP is ignoring filename markers
Haha. Thanks, Mike. Rick, follow the thread below for the workaround. Everyone on the list who doesn't care about this, sorry I'm adding a grown-rather-lengthy thread. Perhaps the workaround will interest some folks. Seems that each help generation software I've researched has a rather steep learning curve of mastering bits of obscure logic. :) Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:06 AM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Sure. Tell him if he can automate that, I'll buy a couple copies of FrameScript! (Actually, we have been meaning to for a long time.) Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:05 AM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Rick Quatro asked for your workaround in case it can be automated with framescript. Would you be comfortable with my or your sharing it with the list? If not, I totally understand. I'm a bit dubious that something as extensive as this (with ePP involved) could be automated, but still. :) Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers I took a couple stabs using various various trial versions of Flare and went to a sales presentation, but I was just having a hard time figuring it out. And their FrameMaker support wasn't that great. We used Frame and WebWorks 7 for a long time and just switched to epub six months ago. It wasn't cheap and it has been a bit of a pain. We keep bumping into problems and constantly get told "it will be fixed in the next release." My tech writer is at the WebWorks Roundup conference this week. Hopefully he is picking up solutions to all of our woes. Mike -----Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:57 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks! Whew, that is ugly. :) I appreciate your itemization of such weirdness! I'll try the duplicate filename markers first, with my fingers crossed... We have our budget plan coming up and I'm thinking switching to MadCap Flare. Have you tried that software at all? If you have, I'd be interested in your opinion of it. Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:05 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Hi Callie, Let's say my help file has three topics, A, B, and C in that order. If there is an anchored frame in the section of my FrameMaker file that contains the contents of topic B, then the filename marker for C would be ignored. The markers in A and B would work, but not C. At one point Quadralay was saying you could work around the bug by putting two identical filename markers in each topic. That didn't work for me, but you might try it. I wound up adding passthrough code in my FrameMaker files that generated the same HTML as the anchored frame. Then I hid the anchored frame using conditional text. The ePub help file has a fairly good explanation of how to do this, but here's the steps that I followed: 1. I created a new condition in FrameMaker called "Screenshot" and applied it to the anchored. 2. I created a second new condition in FrameMaker called "PassThroughCode" 3. I generated my Help file with the Screenshot condition turned on. Then I copied the HTML for each screenshot directly below the corresponding anchored frame in FrameMaker. 4. I applied the PassThroughCode condition to the HTML that I added in FrameMaker. 5. In the Output directory of my epub project, I made a copy of my graphics folder and I would have copies of all the screenshots. 6. In epub I selected Project > Conditions and added the new conditions. And I checked the PassThrough box for the PassThroughCode condition. I set "Screenshot" to Hidden and "PassThroughCode" to Visible and generate the help again. 7. Restore any missing graphics to your Output directory from the copy of the graphics folder you created earlier. 8. If you are creating WebWorks Help, your are done. If you are creating a chm file, run the project through HTMLHelp Workshop. It's a pretty ugly solution, but it's all I could think of at the time. I just need to bite the bullet and upgrade to the latest version of epub and hope the problem is actually fixed. Hope that helps, Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:55 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks again for this message, Mike. I just thought of a question. Do you mean that the graphic is the last t
FW: ePP is ignoring filename markers
Haha. Thanks, Mike. Rick, follow the thread below for the workaround. Everyone on the list who doesn't care about this, sorry I'm adding a grown-rather-lengthy thread. Perhaps the workaround will interest some folks. Seems that each help generation software I've researched has a rather steep learning curve of mastering bits of obscure logic. :) Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:mike_sto...@sonic.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:06 AM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Sure. Tell him if he can automate that, I'll buy a couple copies of FrameScript! (Actually, we have been meaning to for a long time.) Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:c.berts...@tecplot.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:05 AM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Rick Quatro asked for your workaround in case it can be automated with framescript. Would you be comfortable with my or your sharing it with the list? If not, I totally understand. I'm a bit dubious that something as extensive as this (with ePP involved) could be automated, but still. :) Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:mike_sto...@sonic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 4:17 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers I took a couple stabs using various various trial versions of Flare and went to a sales presentation, but I was just having a hard time figuring it out. And their FrameMaker support wasn't that great. We used Frame and WebWorks 7 for a long time and just switched to epub six months ago. It wasn't cheap and it has been a bit of a pain. We keep bumping into problems and constantly get told "it will be fixed in the next release." My tech writer is at the WebWorks Roundup conference this week. Hopefully he is picking up solutions to all of our woes. Mike -----Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:c.berts...@tecplot.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:57 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks! Whew, that is ugly. :) I appreciate your itemization of such weirdness! I'll try the duplicate filename markers first, with my fingers crossed... We have our budget plan coming up and I'm thinking switching to MadCap Flare. Have you tried that software at all? If you have, I'd be interested in your opinion of it. Cheers, Callie -Original Message- From: Mike Stover [mailto:mike_sto...@sonic.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:05 PM To: Callie Bertsche Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Hi Callie, Let's say my help file has three topics, A, B, and C in that order. If there is an anchored frame in the section of my FrameMaker file that contains the contents of topic B, then the filename marker for C would be ignored. The markers in A and B would work, but not C. At one point Quadralay was saying you could work around the bug by putting two identical filename markers in each topic. That didn't work for me, but you might try it. I wound up adding passthrough code in my FrameMaker files that generated the same HTML as the anchored frame. Then I hid the anchored frame using conditional text. The ePub help file has a fairly good explanation of how to do this, but here's the steps that I followed: 1. I created a new condition in FrameMaker called "Screenshot" and applied it to the anchored. 2. I created a second new condition in FrameMaker called "PassThroughCode" 3. I generated my Help file with the Screenshot condition turned on. Then I copied the HTML for each screenshot directly below the corresponding anchored frame in FrameMaker. 4. I applied the PassThroughCode condition to the HTML that I added in FrameMaker. 5. In the Output directory of my epub project, I made a copy of my graphics folder and I would have copies of all the screenshots. 6. In epub I selected Project > Conditions and added the new conditions. And I checked the PassThrough box for the PassThroughCode condition. I set "Screenshot" to Hidden and "PassThroughCode" to Visible and generate the help again. 7. Restore any missing graphics to your Output directory from the copy of the graphics folder you created earlier. 8. If you are creating WebWorks Help, your are done. If you are creating a chm file, run the project through HTMLHelp Workshop. It's a pretty ugly solution, but it's all I could think of at the time. I just need to bite the bullet and upgrade to the latest version of epub and hope the problem is actually fixed. Hope that helps, Mike -Original Message- From: Callie Bertsche [mailto:c.berts...@tecplot.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:55 PM To: Mike Stover Subject: RE: ePP is ignoring filename markers Thanks again for this message, Mike. I just thought of a question. Do you me
filename markers missing from ePP 9.2 versions
Thanks for all your various help as I've tried to figure out why ePP 9.2 (I've tried various builds) with FM 7.2 unstructured does not pick up over half my filename markers. Paul Mueller has been really helpful supplying great documentation and suggesting ideas as well! While I'm still trying a couple options, it looks like it comes down to a glitch in ePP 9.2 that filename markers/topics that follow any topic with a graphic in an anchored frame get skipped. Mike Stover figured out a cool (but laborious) workaround which would be crazy for me to implement with my hundreds of topically named pages, so I'm sadly regressing to ePP 9.1 for our upcoming product release. However, I want to include two products' manuals in the help for this upcoming product's help. Does anyone know, is there a way for ePP 9.1 to read in variables from the documents? I wanted this capability in ePP 9.2; in ePP 9.1 I've found only a list box titled "Value:" for input of each variable. Is there any way I can force ePP 9.1 to read the variables from the files? Thanks again - I've found Framers to be so helpful!! Callie Bertsche ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
filename markers missing from ePP 9.2 versions
Thanks for all your various help as I've tried to figure out why ePP 9.2 (I've tried various builds) with FM 7.2 unstructured does not pick up over half my filename markers. Paul Mueller has been really helpful supplying great documentation and suggesting ideas as well! While I'm still trying a couple options, it looks like it comes down to a glitch in ePP 9.2 that filename markers/topics that follow any topic with a graphic in an anchored frame get skipped. Mike Stover figured out a cool (but laborious) workaround which would be crazy for me to implement with my hundreds of topically named pages, so I'm sadly regressing to ePP 9.1 for our upcoming product release. However, I want to include two products' manuals in the help for this upcoming product's help. Does anyone know, is there a way for ePP 9.1 to read in variables from the documents? I wanted this capability in ePP 9.2; in ePP 9.1 I've found only a list box titled "Value:" for input of each variable. Is there any way I can force ePP 9.1 to read the variables from the files? Thanks again - I've found Framers to be so helpful!! Callie Bertsche
RE: [wwp-users] ePP is ignoring filename markers
Thanks, Franz. Replies inline. >Callie: > >I understand your frustration but I don't understand why you upgraded from >9.1 to 9.2 *now*. Was it the EOL announcement for 9.1 or did you need some feature from 9.2 in your current >project? Yes, I needed the increased usability in 9.2 of passing variable names from source docs. I had a problem with this in 9.1, and moving to 9.2 fixed that problem. Moving from 9.1 to 9.2 was not much work and worth it for this feature, even though post-release I intend to research the steeper learning curve of a new tool. > ># For fun, I took out all other page break priorities marked in # one of the # offending files. Still no >filename markers caused page breaks - my doc # generated as one long page. I was hoping to beat the second beast out of the woods by eliminating the first beast. Thanks for illuminating their intertwined nature. > >That's because filename markers and page break priorities are 2 totally different beasts: > >1. You set page break priorities using the property with this name in your heading paragraph formats. > >2. The filename marker only tells ePP *how* to name the files for the topics you divided your source docs into >using the heading paragraph formats with their page break priorities. > >So I suggest to look into the heading format definitions and see if the page break priorites are set there >correctly. I've already tried that, and now I'll go back to that; the heading format definitions were correct (that is, I was getting page breaks in all the places that I wanted, just bad filename.html namings) when I first started having this problem. Any other ideas? > >Good luck! > >Kind regards, > >Franz-Josef ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[wwp-users] ePP is ignoring filename markers
Thanks, Franz. Replies inline. >Callie: > >I understand your frustration but I don't understand why you upgraded from >9.1 to 9.2 *now*. Was it the EOL announcement for 9.1 or did you need some feature from 9.2 in your current >project? Yes, I needed the increased usability in 9.2 of passing variable names from source docs. I had a problem with this in 9.1, and moving to 9.2 fixed that problem. Moving from 9.1 to 9.2 was not much work and worth it for this feature, even though post-release I intend to research the steeper learning curve of a new tool. > ># For fun, I took out all other page break priorities marked in # one of the # offending files. Still no >filename markers caused page breaks - my doc # generated as one long page. I was hoping to beat the second beast out of the woods by eliminating the first beast. Thanks for illuminating their intertwined nature. > >That's because filename markers and page break priorities are 2 totally different beasts: > >1. You set page break priorities using the property with this name in your heading paragraph formats. > >2. The filename marker only tells ePP *how* to name the files for the topics you divided your source docs into >using the heading paragraph formats with their page break priorities. > >So I suggest to look into the heading format definitions and see if the page break priorites are set there >correctly. I've already tried that, and now I'll go back to that; the heading format definitions were correct (that is, I was getting page breaks in all the places that I wanted, just bad filename.html namings) when I first started having this problem. Any other ideas? > >Good luck! > >Kind regards, > >Franz-Josef
ePP is ignoring filename markers
Help...please help I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 in conjunction with ePublisher Pro Version 9.2 (build 9054). *frustration deleted* I recently upgraded from version 9.1. I had my program completely working the way it did in 9.1 The other day, I added some filename markers to my FM files for some new dialogs in our software. When I regenerated the help, ePP decided to start completely ignoring random filename-marked help pages (for example, help page named 3d_dimensions.html missing). Some filename-marked help pages come through fine, but some .fm files in my book in my ePP project have their filename markers completely ignored. For fun, I took out all other page break priorities marked in one of the offending files. Still no filename markers caused page breaks - my doc generated as one long page. For the moment, please omit replies on the horrible product that is ePP, and suggestions that I should try your new product. I agree that I need to switch, but with a release coming up my first priority is to help ePP limp through that release. Can anyone help me know how to force my filename markers to cause page breaks? (I get no error messages when I generate, either) Does anyone else find it ironic that this help page generation software has the most opaque help pages for their software? :-p Callie Bertsche ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ePP is ignoring filename markers
Help...please help I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 in conjunction with ePublisher Pro Version 9.2 (build 9054). *frustration deleted* I recently upgraded from version 9.1. I had my program completely working the way it did in 9.1 The other day, I added some filename markers to my FM files for some new dialogs in our software. When I regenerated the help, ePP decided to start completely ignoring random filename-marked help pages (for example, help page named 3d_dimensions.html missing). Some filename-marked help pages come through fine, but some .fm files in my book in my ePP project have their filename markers completely ignored. For fun, I took out all other page break priorities marked in one of the offending files. Still no filename markers caused page breaks - my doc generated as one long page. For the moment, please omit replies on the horrible product that is ePP, and suggestions that I should try your new product. I agree that I need to switch, but with a release coming up my first priority is to help ePP limp through that release. Can anyone help me know how to force my filename markers to cause page breaks? (I get no error messages when I generate, either) Does anyone else find it ironic that this help page generation software has the most opaque help pages for their software? :-p Callie Bertsche
ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help
Hi Framaniacs ;) I generate 10+ manuals from FrameMaker 7.2 into PDFs, with extensive single sourcing material. Currently, I've been using WebWorks ePublisher Pro 9.1 (I just did an old maintenance upgrade to 9.2, actually) to generate several thousand help pages (between different projects/products). I just received an offer from ePublisher Pro to upgrade to their 2008.2 (9.5) edition for the cost of software maintenance, since I'm on an unsupported (old) version. Primarily I'm wondering: - Do other writers with similar publishing needs consider ePubPro a competitive product? - Have other products sharpened their competitive edge since our last tool decision (a few years ago)? For instance, comparisons with MadCap or Flare? In considering a new product, I know immediately I value the following: - Dynamic connection with FrameMaker documents (ability to rescan/update files in help project file) - Ability to set variables and conditions or pass them through from the document, in a user-friendly manner, when building the help Thanks for any "help" on the help anyone has time to give! Cheers, Callie ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ePublisher Pro vs. other generated online help
Hi Framaniacs ;) I generate 10+ manuals from FrameMaker 7.2 into PDFs, with extensive single sourcing material. Currently, I've been using WebWorks ePublisher Pro 9.1 (I just did an old maintenance upgrade to 9.2, actually) to generate several thousand help pages (between different projects/products). I just received an offer from ePublisher Pro to upgrade to their 2008.2 (9.5) edition for the cost of software maintenance, since I'm on an unsupported (old) version. Primarily I'm wondering: - Do other writers with similar publishing needs consider ePubPro a competitive product? - Have other products sharpened their competitive edge since our last tool decision (a few years ago)? For instance, comparisons with MadCap or Flare? In considering a new product, I know immediately I value the following: - Dynamic connection with FrameMaker documents (ability to rescan/update files in help project file) - Ability to set variables and conditions or pass them through from the document, in a user-friendly manner, when building the help Thanks for any "help" on the help anyone has time to give! Cheers, Callie
FrameMaker with WebWorks?
Hello Fellow Framers, I'm wondering if others who use WebWorks as their online help software in conjunction with FrameMaker have discovered whether WebWorks has fixed their glitch that WW 9.2 does not work with FM (7.2, in our case). We use FM 7.2 for documents, and WW 9.1 for online help, because we can't get WW 9.2 to recognize FM files (we just get an error. Rough translation: "Need to update file. Okay?" [Self hits Okay] "Cannot open project. Alien file format." [WW crash] Have others solved this by upgrading to FM 8.0? Just curious. Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Phone: 425.653.1200 x269 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View 3535 Factoria Blvd. SE, Ste. 550 Bellevue, WA USA 98006 Fax: 425.653.9200 Web: www.tecplot.com <http://www.tecplot.com/> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker with WebWorks?
Hello Fellow Framers, I'm wondering if others who use WebWorks as their online help software in conjunction with FrameMaker have discovered whether WebWorks has fixed their glitch that WW 9.2 does not work with FM (7.2, in our case). We use FM 7.2 for documents, and WW 9.1 for online help, because we can't get WW 9.2 to recognize FM files (we just get an error. Rough translation: "Need to update file. Okay?" [Self hits Okay] "Cannot open project. Alien file format." [WW crash] Have others solved this by upgrading to FM 8.0? Just curious. Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Phone: 425.653.1200 x269 Email: c.bertsche at tecplot.com <mailto:.c.bertsche at tecplot.com> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View 3535 Factoria Blvd. SE, Ste. 550 Bellevue, WA USA 98006 Fax: 425.653.9200 Web: www.tecplot.com <http://www.tecplot.com/>
RE: Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key
Thanks for all the replies! I played with the customization files, no luck yet, I'll definitely play with them more later when I have more time. It's true, Fred, for now I'll stick with Alt+o,p,d which for me is actually Alt+o,pif I add the 'd' I get the description paragraph tag. I think it's likely that you're right, Fred, and another program is intercepting the Ctrl+M. My Outlook and Word, off the top, both have Ctrl+M shortcuts. But those shortcut executions do not happen when I am in a FM document, so to me it seems like that shortcut should be free for FM. I guess not? Cheers, Callie >-Original Message- >From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:25 AM >To: Callie Bertsche; Framers >Subject: Re: Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key >See "Adding key sequences" in Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which is located in your FM installation folder. >Good luck! >Regards, >Shmuel Wolfson From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 AM To: Callie Bertsche; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key Callie Bertsche wrote: > ... I cannot use the preset CTRL-M to bring up the Paragraph > Designer dialog. I wonder if my FrameMaker app has CTRL-M set to some > other function, and yet when I hit CTRL-M repeatedly (in frustration), > (seemingly) nothing happens. Where can I adjust my keyboard shortcuts? > In FrameMaker somewhere? Anywhere? Agh! Windows Control-key shortcuts are defined in a configuration file called wincmd.cfg, which is located in the fminit\configui folder within your FrameMaker installation directory. There is no way to set or change these shortcuts from the GUI, so unless you have modified the wincmd.cfg file, some other application or utility must be intercepting the Ctrl+M key combination before FrameMaker ever sees it. Do you have a screenshot utility installed? A macro utility? A keyboard mapping utility? Are you using any Windows accessibility features? Any of those are likely culprits for intercepting certain Control-key commands before regular applications have a chance to act on them. But even if you don't track down what's intercepting Ctrl+M, you should still be able to use the Alt, o, p, d key sequence. Not as convenient as Ctrl+M, but at least you don't have to reach for the mouse. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key
Thanks for all the replies! I played with the customization files, no luck yet, I'll definitely play with them more later when I have more time. It's true, Fred, for now I'll stick with Alt+o,p,d which for me is actually Alt+o,pif I add the 'd' I get the description paragraph tag. I think it's likely that you're right, Fred, and another program is intercepting the Ctrl+M. My Outlook and Word, off the top, both have Ctrl+M shortcuts. But those shortcut executions do not happen when I am in a FM document, so to me it seems like that shortcut should be free for FM. I guess not? Cheers, Callie >-Original Message- >From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:sbw at actcom.com <mailto:sbw at actcom.com> ] >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:25 AM >To: Callie Bertsche; Framers >Subject: Re: Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key >See "Adding key sequences" in Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf, which is located in your FM installation folder. >Good luck! >Regards, >Shmuel Wolfson From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:50 AM To: Callie Bertsche; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key Callie Bertsche wrote: > ... I cannot use the preset CTRL-M to bring up the Paragraph > Designer dialog. I wonder if my FrameMaker app has CTRL-M set to some > other function, and yet when I hit CTRL-M repeatedly (in frustration), > (seemingly) nothing happens. Where can I adjust my keyboard shortcuts? > In FrameMaker somewhere? Anywhere? Agh! Windows Control-key shortcuts are defined in a configuration file called wincmd.cfg, which is located in the fminit\configui folder within your FrameMaker installation directory. There is no way to set or change these shortcuts from the GUI, so unless you have modified the wincmd.cfg file, some other application or utility must be intercepting the Ctrl+M key combination before FrameMaker ever sees it. Do you have a screenshot utility installed? A macro utility? A keyboard mapping utility? Are you using any Windows accessibility features? Any of those are likely culprits for intercepting certain Control-key commands before regular applications have a chance to act on them. But even if you don't track down what's intercepting Ctrl+M, you should still be able to use the Alt, o, p, d key sequence. Not as convenient as Ctrl+M, but at least you don't have to reach for the mouse. -Fred Ridder
Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key
Hello Framers! It's my first post to the list! I've been gleaning useful knowledge from you all for awhile; thanks! I am stymied on a "simple" problem. Keyboard shortcuts save me lots of time, like CTRL-D for the Character Designer dialog. For some reason, however, I cannot use the preset CTRL-M to bring up the Paragraph Designer dialog. I wonder if my FrameMaker app has CTRL-M set to some other function, and yet when I hit CTRL-M repeatedly (in frustration), (seemingly) nothing happens. Where can I adjust my keyboard shortcuts? In FrameMaker somewhere? Anywhere? Agh! Cheers, Fellow Framers, Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Phone: 425.653.1200 x269 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View 3535 Factoria Blvd. SE, Ste. 550 Bellevue, WA USA 98006 Fax: 425.653.9200 Web: www.tecplot.com <http://www.tecplot.com/> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Paragraph Designer Shortcut Key
Hello Framers! It's my first post to the list! I've been gleaning useful knowledge from you all for awhile; thanks! I am stymied on a "simple" problem. Keyboard shortcuts save me lots of time, like CTRL-D for the Character Designer dialog. For some reason, however, I cannot use the preset CTRL-M to bring up the Paragraph Designer dialog. I wonder if my FrameMaker app has CTRL-M set to some other function, and yet when I hit CTRL-M repeatedly (in frustration), (seemingly) nothing happens. Where can I adjust my keyboard shortcuts? In FrameMaker somewhere? Anywhere? Agh! Cheers, Fellow Framers, Callie Bertsche Technical Writer Phone: 425.653.1200 x269 Email: c.bertsche at tecplot.com <mailto:.c.bertsche at tecplot.com> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View 3535 Factoria Blvd. SE, Ste. 550 Bellevue, WA USA 98006 Fax: 425.653.9200 Web: www.tecplot.com <http://www.tecplot.com/>
