New DoD SGML requirements nixes FM?

[Chris Coggins]

It appears the AF at least is moving away from FM for SGML requirements per
the quoted paragraph below, taken from a current RFP/TMCR. What are some of
the suitable (and affordable) SGML editing/composing systems that would
satisfy these requirements?

NOTE:  Contractors are responsible for selecting SGML and composition
tools for this program.  AF DTDs will work with most COTS SGML editing
systems (except Framemaker) however, the FOSIs were developed to work with
Datalogic Composing software ONLY.  If the Contractor wishes to use any
other composing software product, the Contractor is responsible for
ensuring all formatted outputs are compatible with the DTL specification
listed in Section 2, Table 1 of this document.  Structured Framemaker files
are unacceptable and shall not be submitted as an SGML delivery to the Air
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SGML help needed

[Chris Coggins]

Hi,
I have a very tight window in which to convert a 130+/- page unstructured
frame document to SGML preferably using Framemaker 10, and have
customer-provided DTDs/FOSIs. Is anyone experienced enough in this type of
output that we can have a phone conversation to discuss all the
requirements and help me determine the feasibility of this project?

Contact me off list if you're interested in helping.

Thanks,
Chris Coggins
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Re: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

This cell padding idea worked ok to accomplish what I need. But I had to
set top at 3pt and bottom at 2pt, anything less caused the bars to rejoin
as one. I tried to compensate for the added vertical growth by adjusting
line spacing and font size, but couldn't exactly match the rows per page
that I had before.

BTW, for the other replies to this issue: I'm in unstructured frame, and my
initial workaround was to draw individual lines beside the rows. It was
tedious but worked ok for that delivery. Glad to figure out an easier
solution for the next go around.

Chris


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Mark the paragraph inside a cell in the row rather than the row itself and
 the change bars should remain separate. Or at least that's how my copy of
 FM9 behaves. For my purposes, I actually would prefer that it *didn't* work
 this way.

 Although now that I think about it, it may depend on how the table format
 is set up as far as cell padding is concerned. If all the vertical space
 around cell contents is provided by the paragraph's space before and space
 after rather than cell padding, FrameMaker may treat consecutive rows as a
 continuous block of paragraphs. My tables all use cell padding, and the
 change bars are only as tall as the paragraph(s) that are marked inside the
 changed cells.

 -Fred

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 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:45:33 -0500
 Subject: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars
 From: cacogg...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
 only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
 change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
 consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
 anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
 this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
 current table's change bars behave similarly.

 I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
 changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
 selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
 doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
 join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
 paragraph return.

 Chris

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FM10, Acrobat Font SysbBold

[Chris Coggins]

This has probably been asked before, but how do I get my hands on the
SysbBold font for Framemaker 10 (Win XP) that's being identified as
SysbBold Type 1 in Acrobat X's object inspector?

Chris
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Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
current table's change bars behave similarly.

I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
paragraph return.

Chris
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Fwd: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

[Chris Coggins]

I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
current table's change bars behave similarly.

I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
paragraph return.

Chris
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Re: Graphic distortion in frame pdf

[Chris Coggins]

Turns out it was an issue with the graphic having some bad entities
embedded in the intricate details. Our illustrator redrew the whole thing
and that fixed the problem.

Chris


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

  As Rick said, the embedded graphic was changed from a vector graphic
 (line drawing) to a raster graphic (AKA bitmap). Vector graphics stay sharp
 when enlarging PDF. Raster graphics don't.

 In general, embedding files is risky. Every one in a while, you get some
 bad result. Sometimes it prevents you from creating the PDF at all. It's
 safer to save the source file as something Frame can import (which is not
 the same as embed). Frame can import lots of vector formats such as WMF,
 EMF, PDF, EPS. Personally, I do my graphics in Visio and save them as WMF,
 then import the WMFs.

 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

 On 14-Jan-14 4:13 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:

   Attached are two graphics in pdf format: the clean source graphic (via
 Illustrator CS5) and the resulting pdf output from framemaker (ver 10).

  Can someone explain how to fix the distortion that is occurring in
 graphic in the pdf output?

  I embedded the .ai file into the frame page and tried the save as pdf
 (high quality) and print to pdf (standard) methods of output, but the
 distortion occurs on both. I even tried creating a new frame file in case
 there was something hidden in the original file I was using.

  Any ideas would be appreciated.

  Chris




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Re: Graphic distortion in frame pdf

[Chris Coggins]

I had replied to the list earlier that the problem was a couple bad
entities within the graphic itself, that was tripping up the graphics
conversion to PDF and causing rasterization in blocks where those entities
were found. We've since redrawn the graphic and the distortion no longer
occurs.

Not sure why my reply did not post to the list.

But yes, I was using Adobe PDF in the print method of pdf creation, and the
ai file was indeed vector, but like I said it originally contained some
errant bad blocks deep in the details.

Chris


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Matt Sullivan sullivanma...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Chris, are you using the Adobe PDF print driver in your Print Setup?

 Have you confirmed that the AI file is vector, not bitmap?


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 I embedded the .ai file into the frame page and tried the save as pdf
 (high quality) and print to pdf (standard) methods of output, but the
 distortion occurs on both. I even tried creating a new frame file in case
 there was something hidden in the original file I was using.

 Any ideas would be appreciated.

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Graphic distortion in frame pdf

[Chris Coggins]

Turns out it was an issue with the graphic having some bad entities
embedded in the intricate details. Our illustrator redrew the whole thing
and that fixed the problem.

Chris


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

>  As Rick said, the embedded graphic was changed from a vector graphic
> (line drawing) to a raster graphic (AKA bitmap). Vector graphics stay sharp
> when enlarging PDF. Raster graphics don't.
>
> In general, embedding files is risky. Every one in a while, you get some
> bad result. Sometimes it prevents you from creating the PDF at all. It's
> safer to save the source file as something Frame can import (which is not
> the same as embed). Frame can import lots of vector formats such as WMF,
> EMF, PDF, EPS. Personally, I do my graphics in Visio and save them as WMF,
> then import the WMFs.
>
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 14-Jan-14 4:13 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:
>
>   Attached are two graphics in pdf format: the clean source graphic (via
> Illustrator CS5) and the resulting pdf output from framemaker (ver 10).
>
>  Can someone explain how to fix the distortion that is occurring in
> graphic in the pdf output?
>
>  I embedded the .ai file into the frame page and tried the "save as pdf"
> (high quality) and "print to pdf" (standard) methods of output, but the
> distortion occurs on both. I even tried creating a new frame file in case
> there was something hidden in the original file I was using.
>
>  Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
>  Chris
>
>
>
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Graphic distortion in frame pdf

[Chris Coggins]

I had replied to the list earlier that the problem was a couple bad
entities within the graphic itself, that was tripping up the graphics
conversion to PDF and causing rasterization in blocks where those entities
were found. We've since redrawn the graphic and the distortion no longer
occurs.

Not sure why my reply did not post to the list.

But yes, I was using Adobe PDF in the print method of pdf creation, and the
ai file was indeed vector, but like I said it originally contained some
errant bad blocks deep in the details.

Chris


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

> Hi Chris, are you using the Adobe PDF print driver in your Print Setup?
>
> Have you confirmed that the AI file is vector, not bitmap?
>
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11
> <http://framemaker11book.com/>*
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> On Jan 14, 2014, at 6:13 AM, Chris Coggins  wrote:
>
> I embedded the .ai file into the frame page and tried the "save as pdf"
> (high quality) and "print to pdf" (standard) methods of output, but the
> distortion occurs on both. I even tried creating a new frame file in case
> there was something hidden in the original file I was using.
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Graphic distortion in frame pdf

[Chris Coggins]

Attached are two graphics in pdf format: the clean source graphic (via
Illustrator CS5) and the resulting pdf output from framemaker (ver 10).

Can someone explain how to fix the distortion that is occurring in graphic
in the pdf output?

I embedded the .ai file into the frame page and tried the "save as pdf"
(high quality) and "print to pdf" (standard) methods of output, but the
distortion occurs on both. I even tried creating a new frame file in case
there was something hidden in the original file I was using.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Chris
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Urgent question re: SGML Framemaker

[Chris Coggins]

Is anyone aware of issues importing very large sgml files into Framemaker?
For example, importing large government-provided DTD/FOSI templates?

Framemaker is an established composition tool within the government
regarding DoD technical manuals, but I've been asked to verify whether
Framemaker is too limited to continue being used for SGML requirements on
tech manuals.

Does anyone have an opinion on this, as my experience with SGML in Frame is
very limited?

Thanks,
Chris
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Urgent question re: SGML & Framemaker

[Chris Coggins]

Is anyone aware of issues importing very large sgml files into Framemaker?
For example, importing large government-provided DTD/FOSI templates?

Framemaker is an established composition tool within the government
regarding DoD technical manuals, but I've been asked to verify whether
Framemaker is too limited to continue being used for SGML requirements on
tech manuals.

Does anyone have an opinion on this, as my experience with SGML in Frame is
very limited?

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Re: need to collaborate with a Word guru

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Hey Carol,
Did you resolve this issue re: setting up Word styles to change text
formats within the same level in heading styles?

Chris



On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Carol J. Elkins
celk...@awrittenword.comwrote:

  Please contact me off list if you are an experienced Word user who is
 familiar with building templates in both Framemaker and MSWord. I've been
 asked to create a Word template that matches a Framemaker template that I
 designed and I'm really struggling with Word's paragraph numbering versus
 heading numbering styles. I need to set up styles to manage the following
 numbering scheme:

 *1.0 THIS IS HEADING 1
 *1.1. This is List Number 2
 *1.2. This is Heading 2
 *1.2.1. This is List Number 3
 *1.2.2. This is Heading 3
 *1.2.2.1. This is List Number 4
 *1.2.2.2. This is Heading 4
 *1.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 5
 *1.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 5
 *1.2.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 6
 *1.2.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 6

 2.0 THIS IS HEADING 1
 *2.1. This is List Number 2
 *2.2. This is Heading 2
 *2.2.1. This is List Number 3
 *2.2.2. This is Heading 3
 *2.2.2.1. This is List Number 4
 *2.2.2.2. This is Heading 4
 *2.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 5
 *2.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 5
 *2.2.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 6
 *2.2.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 6


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[Chris Coggins]

Hey Carol,
Did you resolve this issue re: setting up Word styles to change text
formats within the same level in heading styles?

Chris



On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Carol J. Elkins
wrote:

>  Please contact me off list if you are an experienced Word user who is
> familiar with building templates in both Framemaker and MSWord. I've been
> asked to create a Word template that matches a Framemaker template that I
> designed and I'm really struggling with Word's paragraph numbering versus
> heading numbering styles. I need to set up styles to manage the following
> numbering scheme:
>
> *1.0 THIS IS HEADING 1
> *1.1. This is List Number 2
> *1.2. This is Heading 2
> *1.2.1. This is List Number 3
> *1.2.2. This is Heading 3
> *1.2.2.1. This is List Number 4
> *1.2.2.2. This is Heading 4
> *1.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 5
> *1.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 5
> *1.2.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 6
> *1.2.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 6
>
> 2.0 THIS IS HEADING 1
> *2.1. This is List Number 2
> *2.2. This is Heading 2
> *2.2.1. This is List Number 3
> *2.2.2. This is Heading 3
> *2.2.2.1. This is List Number 4
> *2.2.2.2. This is Heading 4
> *2.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 5
> *2.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 5
> *2.2.2.2.2.1. This is List Number 6
> *2.2.2.2.2.2. This is Heading 6
>
>
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Re: Auto-rotate pages in PDF

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We had this same problem and our solution was to set the graphics
resolution to 600dpi, and set the paper size to match or exceed the largest
page size in the FM file in the advanced print options. That solved the
cut-off problems for us.

Chris


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jay Mahler j...@mahler.com wrote:

 Framers,

 I'm stumped again. I'm running FM9 V9.0p237 and Acrobat Distiller 9.5.1283
 on Win7.

 I'm distilling a large file that mostly has portrait pages with some
 embedded landscape pages. The file is set up so that Apply Master Pages
 automatically sets the appropriate  portrait/landscape orientation after
 edits. When I review the pages in FM, they all  have correct orientation.
 When I generate the PDF, the landscape pages are generated as if they are
 portrait (they are cut off on the right and left). The Distiller job
 settings has Compatibility set to Acrobat 5.0 (PDF 1.4) and
 Auto-Rotate Pages set to Individually. The other options shouldn't
 really matter.

 My client is still using FM8 (I save as FM8 when I return files), but she
 has Acrobat 11 installed. She can correctly generate the PDF for the same
 files.

 This has worked for me in the past with these files (a couple of years ago
 with FM9). Has anyone run into this issue?

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We had this same problem and our solution was to set the graphics
resolution to 600dpi, and set the paper size to match or exceed the largest
page size in the FM file in the advanced print options. That solved the
cut-off problems for us.

Chris


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Jay Mahler  wrote:

> Framers,
>
> I'm stumped again. I'm running FM9 V9.0p237 and Acrobat Distiller 9.5.1283
> on Win7.
>
> I'm distilling a large file that mostly has portrait pages with some
> embedded landscape pages. The file is set up so that "Apply Master Pages"
> automatically sets the appropriate  portrait/landscape orientation after
> edits. When I review the pages in FM, they all  have correct orientation.
> When I generate the PDF, the landscape pages are generated as if they are
> portrait (they are cut off on the right and left). The Distiller job
> settings has "Compatibility" set to "Acrobat 5.0 (PDF 1.4)" and
> "Auto-Rotate Pages" set to "Individually." The other options shouldn't
> really matter.
>
> My client is still using FM8 (I save as FM8 when I return files), but she
> has Acrobat 11 installed. She can correctly generate the PDF for the same
> files.
>
> This has worked for me in the past with these files (a couple of years ago
> with FM9). Has anyone run into this issue?
>
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Font issues

[Chris Coggins]

I'm not sure it will help any, but here are a couple more graphics to show
what fonts are embedded and in use in the two documents. I'm on XP with
Frame 10 and Acrobat X Pro.

Times New Roman is installed in the system fonts directory, and Adobe PDF
is set as the default printer.


On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

> In addition to Mike's excellent analysis... depending on the age and type
> of system the original was created on, it's quite possible that the font
> whatever it is (and I agree with Mike, it ain's TNR), is a system font,
> from Apple, Windows XP, or some other vendor. For instance, if your FM tag
> calls for Time, Times NR, or another vendor's version would be substituted
> if Times isn't available -- and vice versa -- if TNR isn't available,
> something will be substituted.
>
> Second... if you have Acrobat, you should be able to see what font is in
> use for a passage, what fonts are embedded, the type of system the file was
> built on and other info about how it was created. That should help you
> track down what's actually happening.
>
> Art
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> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
>
>> The font is different in those two samples, and neither one of them
>> appears to be Times New Roman.
>>
>> So check to be sure you are using the font that you think you are. Also,
>> make sure that Adobe PDF is set as your default printer when working in FM,
>> or the PDF output may not match what you see in FM. The print driver can
>> affect the fonts available. The free SetPrint utility will set Adobe PDF as
>> the default printer, without altering the default for any other Windows
>> programs. 
>> (http://sundorne.com/**FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.**htm<http://sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm>
>> )
>>
>> Make sure your font is actually installed on your computer. If you have a
>> printer besides Adobe PDF set as the default in FM, then FM can see and use
>> its "printer resident" fonts-- that is, fonts that are hard-wired inside
>> the printer and available for printing _on that printer_, but not
>> necessarily installed on the computer where they would be available to
>> embed in a PDF. If the font isn't actually installed on the computer--
>> usually in the \windows\fonts folder-- the PDF will be forced to substitute
>> with something else.
>>
>> Make sure your font is set to embed in the PDF. If you have Acrobat, you
>> use Acrobat Distiller to do this, editing the appropriate settings file.
>> The High Quality Print settings file has all fonts set to embed, unless
>> someone altered it.
>>
>> You also might trying printing to the Adobe PDF virtual printer, rather
>> than using Save as PDF. You didn't mention which FrameMaker version you
>> have, but Save as PDF was highly unreliable in older versions-- so much so
>> that all the gurus warned to avoid it.
>>
>> Anyway, those are some starting places to look.
>>
>> Mike Wickham
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2013 6:29 PM, Chris Coggins wrote:
>>
>>> Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant
>>> PDF from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is from
>>> the source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
>>> TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?
>>>
>>> Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
>>> was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both
>>> frame and distiller.
>>>
>>> What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the
>>> source?
>>>
>>>
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Font issues

[Chris Coggins]

Attached are two screen caps of a portion of text: 1 is the resultant PDF
from a Framemaker  file recreating a source document, the other is from the
source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?

Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
was generated via save-as PDF command, High Quality Print setting in both
frame and distiller.

What should I do differently to make the PDF from Framemaker match the
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source document itself. The fonts are the same on both documents (10pt
TNR), so why do they come out looking so small in the frame document?

Frame font is TNR 10pt, 0% Spread, 100% Stretch, 12 pt Line Spacing. PDF
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Configuration control for imported Graphics

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Can anyone offer suggestions for tight configuration control over graphics
that are imported into framemaker documents? We're actually embedding
images into the documents because we are unable to link by reference due to
Sharepoint limitations. Right now we're manually checking for current
graphics using file dates, but it's a burdensome extra step that sometimes
gets overlooked when publishing books on a tight deadline, which sometimes
results in older graphics in the compiled books.

The graphics are all stored in individual folders on the server for
graphics control issues, rather than in one folder for all graphics.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks,
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[Chris Coggins]

Can anyone offer suggestions for tight configuration control over graphics
that are imported into framemaker documents? We're actually embedding
images into the documents because we are unable to link by reference due to
Sharepoint limitations. Right now we're manually checking for current
graphics using file dates, but it's a burdensome extra step that sometimes
gets overlooked when publishing books on a tight deadline, which sometimes
results in older graphics in the compiled books.

The graphics are all stored in individual folders on the server for
graphics control issues, rather than in one folder for all graphics.

Any ideas or suggestions?

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Re: Buying an old copy of FrameMaker

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We purchased our copies of Frame a couple years ago from evaluesoftware,
for download versions only (no CD). They currently have Frame 10 Full
Version under $500, which is tempting to add another copy or two to our
library.
http://www.evaluesoftware.com/index.php?l=product_detailp=2123

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 An additional contractor has been brought on by my company. If I can find
 a low-price copy of FrameMaker, perhaps she won’t end up moving her docs to
 Word (shudder). I know folks on this list swear by FrameMaker 8. FrameMaker
 9 was a bug-fest. I doubt I’ll find many people offering FrameMaker 10.
 I've had no luck on eBay . I’d love to find a copy of FrameMaker 8  with a
 transferable license (was it 8.2 everyone loved?). Does anybody have any
 thoughts or caveats on how to go about this?  Thanks! 

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Frame 10 Save as PDF error AdobePDF printer not found

[Chris Coggins]

We have a coworker running Windows 7 and Frame 10 in unstructured mode and
is unable to save frame documents to .pdf. I know there have been alot of
save-to-pdf issues discussed recently and was wondering if this particular
issue was addressed.

When the user tries to save as PDF, the error that's reported is that the
Adobe PDF printer instance can't be found.  When the user tries to print to
pdf, there is no choice to select Adobe PDF as the printer. If I'm not
mistaken, isn't this installed during the Framemaker installation process?

Note this user also has Acrobat X std installed.

Ultimately we were able to print to .ps, then use Distiller to convert to
.PDF successfully with no formatting issues. Any ideas why the save as PDF
isn't working properly on the user's system?

Thanks,
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We purchased our copies of Frame a couple years ago from evaluesoftware,
for download versions only (no CD). They currently have Frame 10 Full
Version under $500, which is tempting to add another copy or two to our
library.
http://www.evaluesoftware.com/index.php?l=product_detail=2123

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Shelly Schneider wrote:

> An additional contractor has been brought on by my company. If I can find
> a low-price copy of FrameMaker, perhaps she won?t end up moving her docs to
> Word (shudder). I know folks on this list swear by FrameMaker 8. FrameMaker
> 9 was a bug-fest. I doubt I?ll find many people offering FrameMaker 10.
> I've had no luck on eBay . I?d love to find a copy of FrameMaker 8  with a
> transferable license (was it 8.2 everyone loved?). Does anybody have any
> thoughts or caveats on how to go about this?  Thanks! 
>
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Frame 10 Save as PDF error AdobePDF printer not found

[Chris Coggins]

We have a coworker running Windows 7 and Frame 10 in unstructured mode and
is unable to save frame documents to .pdf. I know there have been alot of
save-to-pdf issues discussed recently and was wondering if this particular
issue was addressed.

When the user tries to save as PDF, the error that's reported is that the
Adobe PDF printer instance can't be found.  When the user tries to print to
pdf, there is no choice to select Adobe PDF as the printer. If I'm not
mistaken, isn't this installed during the Framemaker installation process?

Note this user also has Acrobat X std installed.

Ultimately we were able to print to .ps, then use Distiller to convert to
.PDF successfully with no formatting issues. Any ideas why the save as PDF
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Re: RE(~): Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Hey Dov,
Were you able to examine the files I sent last week? I'm hoping you've got
a couple of ideas that may help me resolve the situation. Let me know, when
you get a chance.

Thanks again,
Chris


On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Chris Coggins cacogg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Dov. Here are the files using a blank page extracted from a full
 document that we're working on. All were saved using the save-as-pdf
 function. As you can see the outputs are vastly different on the two
 systems. I appreciate your help in this matter.

 Thanks,
 Chris


 On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com wrote:

 Chris,

 Please send the files. Extract once and do same annotation on both
 systems and send me the resultant files using “save as PDF” *Shift+Ctrl+S
 *, *not *regular “save” *Ctrl+S*!!

 - Dov

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RE(~): Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Hey Dov,
Were you able to examine the files I sent last week? I'm hoping you've got
a couple of ideas that may help me resolve the situation. Let me know, when
you get a chance.

Thanks again,
Chris


On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Chris Coggins  wrote:

> Thanks Dov. Here are the files using a blank page extracted from a full
> document that we're working on. All were saved using the save-as-pdf
> function. As you can see the outputs are vastly different on the two
> systems. I appreciate your help in this matter.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Please send the files. Extract once and do same annotation on both
>> systems and send me the resultant files using ?save as PDF? *Shift+Ctrl+S
>> *, *not *regular ?save? *Ctrl+S*!!
>>
>> - Dov
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> [image: Description: D:\Documents\Adobe Artwork\2012\Adobe
>> Products\E-mail Signature\adobe_logo_web.png]
>>
>> *Dov Isaacs*
>> Principal Scientist
>> Adobe Systems Incorporated
>>
>> +1 408.536.2896 (tel)
>> +1 408.242.5161 (cell)
>>
>> isaacs at adobe.com
>>
>> 345 Park Avenue
>> San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
>> http://www.adobe.com
>>
>>  
>>
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>>
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Re: Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Thanks Dov.
Can I send you three versions of a single PDF page so you can see the
differences in output on each computer? And perhaps advise how to obtain
similar output results from the optimal computer on the second computer?

The first will be an original, unmarked page extracted from a source
document.
The second will be the original page with one single markup from the
optimal computer with a nice tight filesize, and
the third will be the original page with one single markup from the problem
computer.

Each will be saved by simply clicking the Save icon.

If you prefer I can extract the page independently on each computer, or you
can provide a single-page source document on which I can annotate from each
computer.

Let me know,
Thanks,
Chris

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com wrote:

 Chris,

 ** **

 There is no simple *configuration file *for Acrobat that can be copied
 between systems or between releases of Acrobat on the same system.

 ** **

 Configuration settings and preferences for the most part are stored in
 various registry settings (Windows) and plists (MacOS) that are not
 documented for the public, can be very system specific, and are subject to
 change without any notice.

 ** **

 As far as I know, there are no configuration settings that control whether
 how a file that has “markups” (annotation comments?) will be saved.

 ** **

 When you are annotating a particular page of a PDF file, you are adding
 content to the page, albeit simply annotation content and Acrobat considers
 the annotated page as changed. If you simply *save* the document using *
 Ctrl+S*, the changed pages’ contents are *added *to the existing PDF file
 on disk and the page table is modified to reflect the new copies of the
 changed pages. The “old” pages remain on disk although the page table
 doesn’t point to them anymore. This method of saving the PDF file results
 in very fast updates and minimizes the chances of data loss when saving
 minimal changes to a large PDF file. However, the file size keeps on
 growing and noticeably so if your annotations are very simple or few, but
 the pages are very complex with large amounts of underlying content.

 ** **

 In lieu of *save* with *Ctrl+S*, if you use *save as* with *Shift+Ctrl+S*(
 *not* *reduced sized* or *optimized *options), the entire PDF will be
 rewritten and the old, obsolete versions of the pages you annotated will no
 longer occupy disk space. This should solve your problem.

 ** **

 (In other words, there was nothing in the configuration of your laptop
 versus desktop installations that caused the file size discrepancy, but
 either how you saved the PDF file on one system versus another or the
 original page sizes of the particular pages you annotated on one system
 versus another would cause the file size discrepancy.)

 ** **

 - Dov

 ** **

 ** **

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 Products\E-mail Signature\adobe_logo_web.png]

 *Dov Isaacs*
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 Adobe Systems Incorporated

 +1 408.536.2896 (tel)
 +1 408.242.5161 (cell)

 isa...@adobe.com

 345 Park Avenue
 San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
 http://www.adobe.com

  

  

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 *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Coggins
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:25 PM
 *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* OT: Acrobat X Pro settings

 ** **

 Would anyone happen to know how to copy the Acrobat X Pro settings from a
 pc to a laptop, all things being equal (same os, graphics display, etc)

 The problem prompting this request is that the newly installed Acrobat X
 Pro on the laptop does not save PDFs in the same way as the one on the pc.
 Specifically, when I open a pdf and add markups to it in the laptop
 version, the resulting saved file is huge. The same activity on the version
 installed on the pc does not  substantially increase the filesize.

 Filesizes are an issue when working over a crowded network and I need to
 find a way to make the marked-up pdfs much smaller without having to go
 through the addition step of saving-as reduced file size. I want to be able
 to just save the document in the same manner as was occurring on the pc.

 I also noticed a very similar question was posted at the adobe forums last
 summer and noone has replied to it. Hopefully someone here might know the
 answer to get the same behavior out of a new Acrobat X Pro install as was
 occurring on a different computer.

 Thanks,
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Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Thanks Dov.
Can I send you three versions of a single PDF page so you can see the
differences in output on each computer? And perhaps advise how to obtain
similar output results from the optimal computer on the second computer?

The first will be an original, unmarked page extracted from a source
document.
The second will be the original page with one single markup from the
optimal computer with a nice tight filesize, and
the third will be the original page with one single markup from the problem
computer.

Each will be saved by simply clicking the "Save" icon.

If you prefer I can extract the page independently on each computer, or you
can provide a single-page source document on which I can annotate from each
computer.

Let me know,
Thanks,
Chris

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> Chris,
>
> ** **
>
> There is no simple *configuration file *for Acrobat that can be copied
> between systems or between releases of Acrobat on the same system.
>
> ** **
>
> Configuration settings and preferences for the most part are stored in
> various registry settings (Windows) and plists (MacOS) that are not
> documented for the public, can be very system specific, and are subject to
> change without any notice.
>
> ** **
>
> As far as I know, there are no configuration settings that control whether
> how a file that has ?markups? (annotation comments?) will be saved.
>
> ** **
>
> When you are annotating a particular page of a PDF file, you are adding
> content to the page, albeit simply annotation content and Acrobat considers
> the annotated page as changed. If you simply *save* the document using *
> Ctrl+S*, the changed pages? contents are *added *to the existing PDF file
> on disk and the page table is modified to reflect the new copies of the
> changed pages. The ?old? pages remain on disk although the page table
> doesn?t point to them anymore. This method of saving the PDF file results
> in very fast updates and minimizes the chances of data loss when saving
> minimal changes to a large PDF file. However, the file size keeps on
> growing and noticeably so if your annotations are very simple or few, but
> the pages are very complex with large amounts of underlying content.
>
> ** **
>
> In lieu of *save* with *Ctrl+S*, if you use *save as* with *Shift+Ctrl+S*(
> *not* *reduced sized* or *optimized *options), the entire PDF will be
> rewritten and the old, obsolete versions of the pages you annotated will no
> longer occupy disk space. This should solve your problem.
>
> ** **
>
> (In other words, there was nothing in the configuration of your laptop
> versus desktop installations that caused the file size discrepancy, but
> either how you saved the PDF file on one system versus another or the
> original page sizes of the particular pages you annotated on one system
> versus another would cause the file size discrepancy.)
>
> ** **
>
> - Dov
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> [image: Description: Description: D:\Documents\Adobe Artwork\2012\Adobe
> Products\E-mail Signature\adobe_logo_web.png]
>
> *Dov Isaacs*
> Principal Scientist
> Adobe Systems Incorporated
>
> +1 408.536.2896 (tel)
> +1 408.242.5161 (cell)
>
> isaacs at adobe.com
>
> 345 Park Avenue
> San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
> http://www.adobe.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
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> if your needs dictate hard copy.
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> Paper is renewable and recyclable.*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Coggins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:25 PM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* OT: Acrobat X Pro settings
>
> ** **
>
> Would anyone happen to know how to copy the Acrobat X Pro settings from a
> pc to a laptop, all things being equal (same os, graphics display, etc)
>
> The problem prompting this request is that the newly installed Acrobat X
> Pro on the laptop does not save PDFs in the same way as the one on the pc.
> Specifically, when I open a pdf and add markups to it in the laptop
> version, the resulting saved file is huge. The same activity on the version
> installed on the pc does not  substantially increase the filesize.
>
> Filesizes are an issue when working over a crowded network and I need to
> find a way to make the marked-up pdfs much smaller without having to go
> through the addition step of saving-as reduced file size. I want to be able
> to just save the document in the same manner as was occurring on the pc.
>
> I also noticed a very similar

OT: Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Would anyone happen to know how to copy the Acrobat X Pro settings from a
pc to a laptop, all things being equal (same os, graphics display, etc)

The problem prompting this request is that the newly installed Acrobat X
Pro on the laptop does not save PDFs in the same way as the one on the pc.
Specifically, when I open a pdf and add markups to it in the laptop
version, the resulting saved file is huge. The same activity on the version
installed on the pc does not  substantially increase the filesize.

Filesizes are an issue when working over a crowded network and I need to
find a way to make the marked-up pdfs much smaller without having to go
through the addition step of saving-as reduced file size. I want to be able
to just save the document in the same manner as was occurring on the pc.

I also noticed a very similar question was posted at the adobe forums last
summer and noone has replied to it. Hopefully someone here might know the
answer to get the same behavior out of a new Acrobat X Pro install as was
occurring on a different computer.

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: Graphics import problems

[Chris Coggins]

Yes, there is, unless someone here can explain how to link to the graphics
stored on a Sharepoint 2007 server, which we've tried. The network links
disappear when the document is saved, forcing frame to look for the
graphics on the local drives, where they do not reside. If you know how to
make Sharepoint-linked graphics retain the network link location so that
they refresh every time the graphic has changed, I would appreciate the
guidance.

Chris

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 There's no reason to Copy Into Document. That's all I can tell you.



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OT: Acrobat X Pro settings

[Chris Coggins]

Would anyone happen to know how to copy the Acrobat X Pro settings from a
pc to a laptop, all things being equal (same os, graphics display, etc)

The problem prompting this request is that the newly installed Acrobat X
Pro on the laptop does not save PDFs in the same way as the one on the pc.
Specifically, when I open a pdf and add markups to it in the laptop
version, the resulting saved file is huge. The same activity on the version
installed on the pc does not  substantially increase the filesize.

Filesizes are an issue when working over a crowded network and I need to
find a way to make the marked-up pdfs much smaller without having to go
through the addition step of saving-as reduced file size. I want to be able
to just save the document in the same manner as was occurring on the pc.

I also noticed a very similar question was posted at the adobe forums last
summer and noone has replied to it. Hopefully someone here might know the
answer to get the same behavior out of a new Acrobat X Pro install as was
occurring on a different computer.

Thanks,
Chris
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Graphics import problems

[Chris Coggins]

Yes, there is, unless someone here can explain how to link to the graphics
stored on a Sharepoint 2007 server, which we've tried. The network links
disappear when the document is saved, forcing frame to look for the
graphics on the local drives, where they do not reside. If you know how to
make Sharepoint-linked graphics retain the network link location so that
they refresh every time the graphic has changed, I would appreciate the
guidance.

Chris

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Steve Johnson  wrote:

> There's no reason to Copy Into Document. That's all I can tell you.
>
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Graphic import object facets problem

[Chris Coggins]

Hi,

Thank you for being here. I am trying to troubleshoot a graphics import
problem with one of our frame users that is not occurring with any of our
other frame users. I don't fully understand how frame embeds graphics into
the document so I need some help determining whether these behaviors are
normal.

All are using Framemaker 10, the problem user is on Windows Vista working
across the network (Framemaker is installed on local computer, files are
hosted elsewhere), the others are on XP working on their local computers
exclusively.

This is what I discovered through experimentation on my own computer (XP,
working locally):
When importing a graphic, I use the copy into document setting, and
import the graphic which itself is in PDF format. I shrinkwrap it, then
save the frame file.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports a PDF facet.
I then save the frame file as PDF using the smallest file size filter,
and then save the frame file again.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports both a PDF and EPSI
facet.
I then close the frame file and re-open it. At this point, the objects
properties pane reports a PDF facet only.
The resulting frame filesize is approx. 400k.
I believe this is the preferred result for our needs.

What is happening on the problem user's computer is that the frame file he
generates retains the object faces PDF and EPSI, and also adds a FrameImage
facet after going through the same steps listed above. His frame files are
enormous, 19 megs for the same file used above, and the resulting PDF files
are also huge (17megs). When compiled into a complete book, he's generating
200meg PDFs whereas the rest of us are only putting out 10meg books.

Can someone help me understand what's happening during the import/embed
process and why we're getting different results across our users?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
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Graphics import problems

[Chris Coggins]

(My apologies if this came through already, me emailer crashed upon send.)

Hi,

Thank you for being here. I am trying to troubleshoot a graphics import
problem with one of our frame users that is not occurring with any of our
other frame users. I don't fully understand how frame embeds graphics into
the document so I need some help determining whether these behaviors are
normal.

All are using Framemaker 10, the problem user is on Windows Vista working
across the network (Framemaker is installed on local computer, files are
hosted elsewhere), the others are on XP working on their local computers
exclusively.

This is what I discovered through experimentation on my own computer (XP,
working locally):
When importing a graphic, I use the copy into document setting, and
import the graphic which itself is in PDF format. I shrinkwrap it, then
save the frame file.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports a PDF facet.
I then save the frame file as PDF using the smallest file size filter,
and then save the frame file again.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports both a PDF and EPSI
facet.
I then close the frame file and re-open it. At this point, the objects
properties pane reports a PDF facet only.
The resulting frame filesize is approx. 400k.
I believe this is the preferred result for our needs.

What is happening on the problem user's computer is that the frame file he
generates retains the object faces PDF and EPSI, and also adds a FrameImage
facet after going through the same steps listed above. His frame files are
enormous, 19 megs for the same file used above, and the resulting PDF files
are also huge (17megs). When compiled into a complete book, he's generating
200meg PDFs whereas the rest of us are only putting out 10meg books.

Can someone help me understand what's happening during the import/embed
process and why we're getting different results across our users?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
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Graphic import > object facets problem

[Chris Coggins]

Hi,

Thank you for being here. I am trying to troubleshoot a graphics import
problem with one of our frame users that is not occurring with any of our
other frame users. I don't fully understand how frame embeds graphics into
the document so I need some help determining whether these behaviors are
normal.

All are using Framemaker 10, the problem user is on Windows Vista working
across the network (Framemaker is installed on local computer, files are
hosted elsewhere), the others are on XP working on their local computers
exclusively.

This is what I discovered through experimentation on my own computer (XP,
working locally):
When importing a graphic, I use the "copy into document" setting, and
import the graphic which itself is in PDF format. I shrinkwrap it, then
save the frame file.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports a PDF facet.
I then save the frame file as PDF using the "smallest file size" filter,
and then save the frame file again.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports both a PDF and EPSI
facet.
I then close the frame file and re-open it. At this point, the objects
properties pane reports a PDF facet only.
The resulting frame filesize is approx. 400k.
I believe this is the preferred result for our needs.

What is happening on the problem user's computer is that the frame file he
generates retains the object faces PDF and EPSI, and also adds a FrameImage
facet after going through the same steps listed above. His frame files are
enormous, 19 megs for the same file used above, and the resulting PDF files
are also huge (17megs). When compiled into a complete book, he's generating
200meg PDFs whereas the rest of us are only putting out 10meg books.

Can someone help me understand what's happening during the import/embed
process and why we're getting different results across our users?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
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Graphics import problems

[Chris Coggins]

(My apologies if this came through already, me emailer crashed upon send.)

Hi,

Thank you for being here. I am trying to troubleshoot a graphics import
problem with one of our frame users that is not occurring with any of our
other frame users. I don't fully understand how frame embeds graphics into
the document so I need some help determining whether these behaviors are
normal.

All are using Framemaker 10, the problem user is on Windows Vista working
across the network (Framemaker is installed on local computer, files are
hosted elsewhere), the others are on XP working on their local computers
exclusively.

This is what I discovered through experimentation on my own computer (XP,
working locally):
When importing a graphic, I use the "copy into document" setting, and
import the graphic which itself is in PDF format. I shrinkwrap it, then
save the frame file.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports a PDF facet.
I then save the frame file as PDF using the "smallest file size" filter,
and then save the frame file again.
At this point, the objects properties pane reports both a PDF and EPSI
facet.
I then close the frame file and re-open it. At this point, the objects
properties pane reports a PDF facet only.
The resulting frame filesize is approx. 400k.
I believe this is the preferred result for our needs.

What is happening on the problem user's computer is that the frame file he
generates retains the object faces PDF and EPSI, and also adds a FrameImage
facet after going through the same steps listed above. His frame files are
enormous, 19 megs for the same file used above, and the resulting PDF files
are also huge (17megs). When compiled into a complete book, he's generating
200meg PDFs whereas the rest of us are only putting out 10meg books.

Can someone help me understand what's happening during the import/embed
process and why we're getting different results across our users?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris
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