[Framers] My apologies: RE: Spam messages in the subject WAS: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

To anyone who may have received a warning banner in my replies as Klaus and 
Craig mentioned.

Our customer network flags emails coming from outside with a warning banner to 
those of us inside the network. They implemented this a few months ago. I 
thought I had deleted all of that when replying back to each of you, but 
apparently I don’t see all of it, so please accept my apologies.

As Craig said, in the future I will just cut or copy and paste the previous 
comment into a new email and hopefully that will take care of the issue.

Thank you for letting me know!

Matt
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[Framers] My apologies: RE: Spam messages in the subject WAS: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

To anyone who may have received a warning banner in my replies as Klaus and 
Craig mentioned.

Our customer network flags emails coming from outside with a warning banner to 
those of us inside the network. They implemented this a few months ago. I 
thought I had deleted all of that when replying back to each of you, but 
apparently I don't see all of it, so please accept my apologies.

As Craig said, in the future I will just cut or copy and paste the previous 
comment into a new email and hopefully that will take care of the issue.

Thank you for letting me know!
:)
Matt

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Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Lin, Craig, and Wim,

Much thanks for all of your suggestions. The consensus I am hearing is looking 
for characters formats in the headings. I will definitely let you know what I 
learn. At the moment I have gotten pulled into some higher-priority tasking, 
but will be back on the case in the coming days.

This is a great forum and has been helpful in the past with little 'nuggets' of 
wisdom.

v/r,
Matt

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:32 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < 
matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:

> I will try both of those suggestions. I have multiple copies of this 
> O manual (and many others) I can experiment with and import from. 
> That is especially a good point about the current TOC file. It may be 
> corrupt or have some odd issue with it. I forget that this isn't the 
> wider Adobe FrameMaker community and am familiar with Barb Binder and 
> Klaus Daube--I've gotten some good info from them.
>
> Thank you again for your suggestions. I will see what works.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  usap@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:54 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents 
> issue in FM-generated PDF
>
> Huh. At this point, I'd try two things. First is a MIF wash of the TOC 
> file, then a regeneration of the PDF. If that doesn't fix it, I'd 
> suggest deleting the current TOC file (from the book and disk) and 
> recreating it from scratch and see if it works correctly. (I hope you 
> have a TOC template somewhere with the correct paragraph formats and 
> reference page that you can import from.)
>
> If that still doesn't work, I would suggest posting to the Adobe 
> FrameMaker community. I'm there, too, but there are lots of people who 
> dig far further into the esoterica of FM also there, such as Barb 
> Binder and Matt Sullivan and Klaus Daube, who may have an idea of what's 
> causing this.
>
> At this point, without actually seeing the files in question, I can't 
> visualize things well enough to help, and I'm sorry about that.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < 
> matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your patience. Hard to describe graphics textually
> sometimes.
> >
> > What you just described is correct. The links in my List of Figures, 
> > List of Tables, and Index of the generated PDF work exactly the same 
> > as you described they work for you. When I hover my mouse over the 
> > invisible boxes it changes from a hand icon to a pointing figure icon.
> > I can right-click and get the 'Delete Link' or 'Edit Link' options.
> > From there, yes, I do go to the Action tab to make any adjustments.
> >
> > But, for some reason my TOC is not generating those links at all. If 
> > I right-click on an entry I just get a laundry list of options like 
> > 'Add Sticky Note', ' Insert Text at Cursor', 'Select Tool', 'Hand 
> > Tool',
> etc.
> > While it might be a setting in PDF, its seems more like the TOC.fm 
> > file is not doing something that the PDF needs to create the TOC 
> > links, since the links are created for the other three and they work 
> > in both Acrobat and Foxit.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers  > usap@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:23 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents 
> > issue in FM-generated PDF
> >
> > OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF 
> > files in Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the 
> > option to edit the link. If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties 
> > window is shown. By default, the Link Type on the Appearance tab is 
> > set to
> Invisible Rectangle.
> > If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box, 
> > but that isn't necessary to edit the link.
>

Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

I will try both of those suggestions. I have multiple copies of this O manual 
(and many others) I can experiment with and import from. That is especially a 
good point about the current TOC file. It may be corrupt or have some odd issue 
with it. I forget that this isn't the wider Adobe FrameMaker community and am 
familiar with Barb Binder and Klaus Daube--I've gotten some good info from them.

Thank you again for your suggestions. I will see what works.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in 
FM-generated PDF

Huh. At this point, I'd try two things. First is a MIF wash of the TOC file, 
then a regeneration of the PDF. If that doesn't fix it, I'd suggest deleting 
the current TOC file (from the book and disk) and recreating it from scratch 
and see if it works correctly. (I hope you have a TOC template somewhere with 
the correct paragraph formats and reference page that you can import from.)

If that still doesn't work, I would suggest posting to the Adobe FrameMaker 
community. I'm there, too, but there are lots of people who dig far further 
into the esoterica of FM also there, such as Barb Binder and Matt Sullivan and 
Klaus Daube, who may have an idea of what's causing this.

At this point, without actually seeing the files in question, I can't visualize 
things well enough to help, and I'm sorry about that.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < 
matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:

> Thank you for your patience. Hard to describe graphics textually sometimes.
>
> What you just described is correct. The links in my List of Figures, 
> List of Tables, and Index of the generated PDF work exactly the same 
> as you described they work for you. When I hover my mouse over the 
> invisible boxes it changes from a hand icon to a pointing figure icon. 
> I can right-click and get the 'Delete Link' or 'Edit Link' options. 
> From there, yes, I do go to the Action tab to make any adjustments.
>
> But, for some reason my TOC is not generating those links at all. If I 
> right-click on an entry I just get a laundry list of options like  
> 'Add Sticky Note', ' Insert Text at Cursor', 'Select Tool', 'Hand Tool', etc.
> While it might be a setting in PDF, its seems more like the TOC.fm 
> file is not doing something that the PDF needs to create the TOC 
> links, since the links are created for the other three and they work 
> in both Acrobat and Foxit.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  usap@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:23 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents 
> issue in FM-generated PDF
>
> OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF 
> files in Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the option 
> to edit the link. If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties window is 
> shown. By default, the Link Type on the Appearance tab is set to Invisible 
> Rectangle.
> If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box, 
> but that isn't necessary to edit the link.
>
> If you click on Actions, you can delete the current link in the 
> Actions box and add a different link using the Add an Action, which is 
> what it sounds like you're trying to do?
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < 
> matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:
>
> > Hi Lin,
> >
> > Much thanks for the responses.
> >
> > To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under 
> > the Format > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you 
> > mentioned were already selected as you described (under the 
> > 'Bookmarks' tab vice the 'Tags (Distiller)' tab) with those headers 
> > already under the "Include Paragraphs:" pane and the Generate PDF 
> > Bookmarks checked. I believe the hierarchy is correct (our layout 
> > and naming might look a little odd, but they work for our purposes) :
> > Heading 1
> > Heading 1 Appen
> > Heading 1 Desc
> > Heading 1 Intro
> > Heading 1 Sys
> > .Heading 2
> > .Heading 2TOC Special
> > ..Heading 3
> > ...Heading 4
> > Etc.
> > The PDF bookmarks do work correctly as generated and I am able to 
> > add new ones, change where they link to within (or outside of the PDF).
> >
> > In your second email, you are correct, though the trouble I am 
> > having in the PDF is that 

Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Thank you for your patience. Hard to describe graphics textually sometimes.

What you just described is correct. The links in my List of Figures, List of 
Tables, and Index of the generated PDF work exactly the same as you described 
they work for you. When I hover my mouse over the invisible boxes it changes 
from a hand icon to a pointing figure icon. I can right-click and get the 
'Delete Link' or 'Edit Link' options. From there, yes, I do go to the Action 
tab to make any adjustments.

But, for some reason my TOC is not generating those links at all. If I 
right-click on an entry I just get a laundry list of options like  'Add Sticky 
Note', ' Insert Text at Cursor', 'Select Tool', 'Hand Tool', etc. While it 
might be a setting in PDF, its seems more like the TOC.fm file is not doing 
something that the PDF needs to create the TOC links, since the links are 
created for the other three and they work in both Acrobat and Foxit.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:23 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in 
FM-generated PDF

OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF files in 
Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the option to edit the link. 
If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties window is shown. By default, the 
Link Type on the Appearance tab is set to Invisible Rectangle.
If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box, but that 
isn't necessary to edit the link.

If you click on Actions, you can delete the current link in the Actions box and 
add a different link using the Add an Action, which is what it sounds like 
you're trying to do?

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < 
matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:

> Hi Lin,
>
> Much thanks for the responses.
>
> To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under the 
> Format > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you 
> mentioned were already selected as you described (under the 
> 'Bookmarks' tab vice the 'Tags (Distiller)' tab) with those headers 
> already under the "Include Paragraphs:" pane and the Generate PDF 
> Bookmarks checked. I believe the hierarchy is correct (our layout and 
> naming might look a little odd, but they work for our purposes) :
> Heading 1
> Heading 1 Appen
> Heading 1 Desc
> Heading 1 Intro
> Heading 1 Sys
> .Heading 2
> .Heading 2TOC Special
> ..Heading 3
> ...Heading 4
> Etc.
> The PDF bookmarks do work correctly as generated and I am able to add 
> new ones, change where they link to within (or outside of the PDF).
>
> In your second email, you are correct, though the trouble I am having 
> in the PDF is that unlike the List of Tables, List of Figures, and the 
> Index, the TOC does not seem to want to generate the links (as 
> bounding boxes) in the first place to the headers in the body. I would 
> have to use the crosshair and draw one around every single entry!
>
> Since it works in the other three FM files (LOT, LOF, Index), I was 
> thinking something must not be set correctly in my TOC file in FrameMaker.
> However, when I compare the LOT, LOF, and Index against the TOC via 
> Format
> > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box, they all *appear* to be set up 
> > the
> same way. For one section in the both the bookmarks and the TOC, the 
> reason we need to use the links that are automaticaly generated is to 
> open folders just outside of the PDF that contain a bunch of large 
> PDFs so are engineers can access supplemental info. Yes, convoluted. 
> :-)
>
> Something must not be set correctly.
>
> Matt
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  usap@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 12:34 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: [Framers] Table of Contents issue 
> in FM-generated PDF
>
>
> OK, now I'm not sure I read your email right.
>
> You are generating both PDF bookmarks and hyperlinks for the TOC to 
> the headings in the document, correct? And then you want to edit where 
> the links from the TOC entries go to in the document using Acrobat Pro 
> even though they are already linked to the heading in the document?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:07 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < 
> matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:
>
> > Hi Framers,
> >
> > I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table of 
> > contents (TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution? Ma

Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Hi Lin,

Much thanks for the responses.

To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under the Format > 
Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you mentioned were already 
selected as you described (under the 'Bookmarks' tab vice the 'Tags 
(Distiller)' tab) with those headers already under the "Include Paragraphs:" 
pane and the Generate PDF Bookmarks checked. I believe the hierarchy is correct 
(our layout and naming might look a little odd, but they work for our purposes) 
:
Heading 1
Heading 1 Appen
Heading 1 Desc
Heading 1 Intro
Heading 1 Sys
.Heading 2
.Heading 2TOC Special
..Heading 3
...Heading 4
Etc.
The PDF bookmarks do work correctly as generated and I am able to add new ones, 
change where they link to within (or outside of the PDF).

In your second email, you are correct, though the trouble I am having in the 
PDF is that unlike the List of Tables, List of Figures, and the Index, the TOC 
does not seem to want to generate the links (as bounding boxes) in the first 
place to the headers in the body. I would have to use the crosshair and draw 
one around every single entry!

Since it works in the other three FM files (LOT, LOF, Index), I was thinking 
something must not be set correctly in my TOC file in FrameMaker. However, when 
I compare the LOT, LOF, and Index against the TOC via Format > Document > PDF 
Setup... dialog box, they all *appear* to be set up the same way. For one 
section in the both the bookmarks and the TOC, the reason we need to use the 
links that are automaticaly generated is to open folders just outside of the 
PDF that contain a bunch of large PDFs so are engineers can access supplemental 
info. Yes, convoluted. :-)

Something must not be set correctly.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 12:34 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: [Framers] Table of Contents issue in 
FM-generated PDF


OK, now I'm not sure I read your email right.

You are generating both PDF bookmarks and hyperlinks for the TOC to the 
headings in the document, correct? And then you want to edit where the links 
from the TOC entries go to in the document using Acrobat Pro even though they 
are already linked to the heading in the document?



On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:07 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < 
matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote:

> Hi Framers,
>
> I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table of 
> contents (TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution? Maybe 
> this is the way PDFs have always worked when generated from Adobe 
> FrameMaker, but my use of FM is intermittent, so I don't remember. I 
> have been scouring the Internet on and off over several days seeking a 
> solution, but coming up empty.
>
> So, an example in contrast first: when I convert a Word document to a 
> PDF using 'Save As PDF', the TOC automatically converts all of its 
> entries into hyperlinks to those headings throughout the document 
> (much as bookmarks generated by FrameMaker do in a PDF). In both Adobe 
> Acrobat Pro DC and in Foxit PhantomPDF I can then go to Edit [PDF] > 
> Link and click the 'Add/Edit Web or Document Link' function, which 
> highlights every entry in the TOC with a nice bounding box. I can then 
> modify where they link by making changes in right-click > Properties.
>
> A few months ago I was upgraded from FrameMaker version 12.0.4.445 to 
> FrameMaker version 16.0.0.754 and still running on a Windows 10 laptop 
> in both cases (FM 12 is still on my laptop, but I do not use it). Even 
> under FM 12, I don't believe the generated PDF would let me to do what 
> I described above with its generated PDF opened in Adobe Acrobat. 
> Instead, it seemed like I was only able to do those things with Foxit 
> PhantomPDF. For a large document, containing hundreds of headings this is a 
> HUGE timesaver.
>
> However, under FM 16, it appears I can't get the TOC bounding boxes 
> even with Foxit PhantomPDF. None of the settings under the 'PDF' 
> option under the FM Publish function jump out as the issue-though I do 
> not know if clicking either "Create Tagged PDF" (section 508 stuff) or 
> "Use Acrobat Distiller for PDF generation" would fix this. Oddly, when 
> I click that 'Edit > Link' function in either Adobe Acrobat Pro DC or 
> in Foxit PhantomPDF, I do get the bounding boxes in my List of 
> Figures, List of Tables, and Index. This makes me inclined to think it 
> may be more of a TOC setting in FrameMaker, but I don't know. Does 
> anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped.
>
> Thank you,
> Matt
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[Framers] Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Hi Framers,

I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table of contents 
(TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution? Maybe this is the way PDFs 
have always worked when generated from Adobe FrameMaker, but my use of FM is 
intermittent, so I don't remember. I have been scouring the Internet on and off 
over several days seeking a solution, but coming up empty.

So, an example in contrast first: when I convert a Word document to a PDF using 
'Save As PDF', the TOC automatically converts all of its entries into 
hyperlinks to those headings throughout the document (much as bookmarks 
generated by FrameMaker do in a PDF). In both Adobe Acrobat Pro DC and in Foxit 
PhantomPDF I can then go to Edit [PDF] > Link and click the 'Add/Edit Web or 
Document Link' function, which highlights every entry in the TOC with a nice 
bounding box. I can then modify where they link by making changes in 
right-click > Properties.

A few months ago I was upgraded from FrameMaker version 12.0.4.445 to 
FrameMaker version 16.0.0.754 and still running on a Windows 10 laptop in both 
cases (FM 12 is still on my laptop, but I do not use it). Even under FM 12, I 
don't believe the generated PDF would let me to do what I described above with 
its generated PDF opened in Adobe Acrobat. Instead, it seemed like I was only 
able to do those things with Foxit PhantomPDF. For a large document, containing 
hundreds of headings this is a HUGE timesaver.

However, under FM 16, it appears I can't get the TOC bounding boxes even with 
Foxit PhantomPDF. None of the settings under the 'PDF' option under the FM 
Publish function jump out as the issue-though I do not know if clicking either 
"Create Tagged PDF" (section 508 stuff) or "Use Acrobat Distiller for PDF 
generation" would fix this. Oddly, when I click that 'Edit > Link' function in 
either Adobe Acrobat Pro DC or in Foxit PhantomPDF, I do get the bounding boxes 
in my List of Figures, List of Tables, and Index. This makes me inclined to 
think it may be more of a TOC setting in FrameMaker, but I don't know. Does 
anyone have any ideas? I'm stumped.

Thank you,
Matt
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Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur] Re: FrameMaker 2015

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Hi Jerilynne,

I don't know if this may help, but when I work from home (like most of us 
lately), I plug in my laptop (Win10), via HDMI, into a nice LG 32" (32MP58) 
display. A few months ago I noticed every time I opened my FrameMaker (v.12), 
my horizontal menu/formatting bars were all overlapping each other 
horizontally, kind of similar to yours. I did not experience it with book files 
like you are now. It does look like a scaling (?) issue, which I think was the 
problem I was having.

I too, messed around with the resolution settings. For some reason 1600 x 900 
corrected the problem. That said, right not I am running at 1920 x 1080 (my 
default at home--but at work it defaults to 1900 x 1200--go figure). I just 
opened my FrameMaker and it is fine at 1920 x 1080.

You have two 27" monitors so it might work differently, but maybe you could try 
just using one monitor at the 1600 x 900 and see if it makes a difference. It 
might lead you down a path to resolving this?

Good luck!
Matt Harrington

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 1:16 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: [SPAM-heur] Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

Lordy, it's been so long since I used "Reply All" that I sent my response 
directly to Peter. Duh, lol.

I did putz and fiddle with some of display settings and didn't see any changes 
(including closing & reopening Frame):

This is what I'm seeing:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19wDICIUJwOnFVZ81xmWdCPpIYIay4D7R/view?usp=sharing

Have a fantabulous day...

Jerilynne Knight
The Encourager
317.593.5551


On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 1:46 PM Peter Gold 
wrote:

> If your UI is too small, maybe you need a bigger boat, like in "Jaws"? 
> ;)
>
> Seriously, if fiddling with screen resolution doesn't fix the problem, 
> consider posting your screenshot to a location like Dropbox, and post 
> the link here.
>
>
>
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[Framers] FW: Simple grammar question

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

This one I struggle with too. However, since we follow the Chicago Manual of 
Style (CMS) I found a helpful guideline. In CMS Seventeenth Edition on pp. 
534-535, 8.180, it basically states that words chapter, part, appendix, table, 
figure, etc. are lowercased and spelled out in text.

Original Message-
From: Framers < > On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2019 11:50 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: [SPAM-heur] Re: [Framers] Simple grammar question

Is it a proper noun?



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Doug 
Sent: June 6, 2019 1:48 PM
To: Framers
Subject: [Framers] Simple grammar question

Should the word "position" be capitalized when it is used as a label in a 
sentence?  Such as in this one:

The display is in position E.

I'm inclined to leave it in lowercase, but I'm unsure.

Thanks!
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Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur] Re: FrameMaker 12 > FrameMaker 2019 release file issue

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Thank you for the info, Rick. A bit of a surprise for us, but good to know 
moving forward.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On 
Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 12:37 PM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: [SPAM-heur] Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 12 > FrameMaker 2019 release file 
issue

You can't open a FrameMaker file created with a later version with an earlier 
version of FrameMaker. In other words, if you have FrameMaker 12, you can't 
open FrameMaker 2019 files. If you are going to work in a mixed environment, 
you can save the files as MIF (Maker Interchange File) and those will open in 
the earlier version. Or, take a look at my ConvertDocs
script:

http://www.frameexpert.com/store

Rick

Rick Quatro
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Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 2:29 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 12 > FrameMaker 2019 release file issue

Hi Framers,

A quick question if I may. I am on Adobe FrameMaker 12 and a new colleague was 
recently given a laptop with Adobe FrameMaker 2019 release on it.
However, when I try to open his FrameMaker files on my FrameMaker 12 I receive 
the following error.

[cid:image001.jpg@01D4F9D0.1B160A10]

Conversely, he has the same issue when trying to update the book since all of 
the files were created with FrameMaker 12.

Are Adobe FrameMaker 12 and the Adobe FrameMaker 2019 release that 
incompatible? In other versions I have worked with (e.g., 7.0 > 9.0) I don't 
remember encountering this problem.

Thank you,
Matt H.
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[Framers] FrameMaker 12 > FrameMaker 2019 release file issue

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Hi Framers,

A quick question if I may. I am on Adobe FrameMaker 12 and a new colleague was 
recently given a laptop with Adobe FrameMaker 2019 release on it. However, when 
I try to open his FrameMaker files on my FrameMaker 12 I receive the following 
error.

[cid:image001.jpg@01D4F9D0.1B160A10]

Conversely, he has the same issue when trying to update the book since all of 
the files were created with FrameMaker 12.

Are Adobe FrameMaker 12 and the Adobe FrameMaker 2019 release that 
incompatible? In other versions I have worked with (e.g., 7.0 > 9.0) I don't 
remember encountering this problem.

Thank you,
Matt H.
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[Framers] Thank you for the feedback

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Hi Framers,

I just wanted to say I much appreciate all of the feedback I have received 
several of you. Just back in Monday and going through what was sent (in between 
other tasks) . I'll let you know if other questions surface.

:)
Matt
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[Framers] New paragraph tag revert back in TOC when book is updated

[Harrington, Matthew (Contractor)]

Hi Framers,

I've been wrestling with a couple of elusive issues in Frame 12 when trying to 
add a new paragraph tag in my chapters and getting it to show up in my TOC. I 
was hoping one or more of you might be able to put me on the right path, 
please. I'm having some difficulty articulating the issues as I write this, so 
I'll just start with "Issue #1" for now.

Issue #1

In my FM book chapters I have been trying to create a one-off of the Heading 2 
paragraph tag (let's call it "Heading 2 Special") where the numbering syntax is 
set to