Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[Heiko Haida]

If you prepare a title text with some nonbreaking spaces (that do not 
bother in the place where the title is) according to your idea how this 
should look like in the TOC, the text then will always keep together in 
the TOC when regenerated.

This may help, or at least may help for most of the lines in the TOC.

Of course, this is not such a good idea if the text has to be translated 
to other languages where the line breaks have to be set differently.


Best regards --- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com:

OK, Rick's script saved my bacon yet again, and while I am on a roll, I 
am gonna' get greedy and ask if someone can refresh the fuzzy recesses 
of my aging mind.


Right now, when I have lines that don't wrap correctly in my TOC (based 
on the length of the text for a tag), I am going through and manually 
adding the needed breaks, but of course, this is tedious work and I 
loathe doing it every time I produce a final book because either I 
forget to do it or I miss a line or two.


Wasn't there a script "out there somewhere?" that magically did this 
for you?


If anyone remembers this script and can point me in the right direction 
(other than off a cliff which is what I feel like doing right now), I 
would most appreciate it.


TIA,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
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Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:47 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue

Great news! Thanks to Rick!

This is definitely a bug, or at least a documentation omission, AKA 
bug,  that

needs formal reporting, Someone please report it. Thanks.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 12:31 PM  wrote:

Hi Everyone,

OK, as someone asked offlist, yes, some of these equation titles do
contain non-alphanumeric characters. .. (Their response to my: I seem
to recall that I ran up against a similar problem about 15 years ago
and ultimately tracked it down to prohibited (but not documented)
punctuation characters in the headings that weren't appearing in the 
ToC).


Other ones do contain a character formatting change in the middle of
the link (not at the beginning as Craig asked), so I obviously was
taught incorrectly or remember incorrectly that as long as the
character didn't begin the link, all was OK.

Long story short - Rick Quatro is going to revamp a script that will
solve the issue and save the day yet again for another FM user
(especially me), and I can stop banging my head on the wall - about 
this little gem anyway.

Thank you everyone for your responses. Every single time that I post
to this list, I not only get the answer that I need but I also learn
so many little tidbits and extra gems of knowledge about FM that can
come only from tribal knowledge and everyone's years of experience.

Have safe, healthy, and happy holidays.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
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-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Framers] TOC issue

Have you tried duplicating, by copying and pasting the problem 
paragraphs, to see if they retain the problem gremlins? If they don't, 
try

deleting or; hiding the bad ones one with a condition.

Perhaps the problem material falls on some kind of border or limit.
Have you tried creating a placeholder chapter ahead of the book 
materials,

then regenerating? If that fixes it, resett the numberings or hide
it, to ignore the placeholder, and regen.

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 10:55 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com <
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

😀😀

What I NEED to do is just punt this project. . .
And yes I agree with you I should not have to do that but any port
in a storm. . .

Rick Quatro wants to look at the TOC and he always rides to my
rescue in these frustrating situations, so I'm waiting to hear
back from him, and learn what the obvious problem it is. . .

Well, obvious to him (and probably everybody else at this point
I'm so
frustrated) but not to me!

Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos.

On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Lise Bible


 wrote:


Tammy,
I have no Frame advice to offer (I am sure you've tried
everything I

would


have tried, and I'd be equally frustrated in your situation),
but as a workaround, can you manually create these links in
Acrobat after the

fact? To be clear, you shouldn't HAVE to do this, but in a pinch...

Good luck!
-Lise

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 9:36 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com
< tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

Hi Craig,

No there is no difference in the character formatting between
these five entries and any of the other same type of entries in the

 TOC.


All the EquationCaption  paragraph tags are formatted
identically

 wi

Re: [Framers] Searching multiple PDFs for blacklisted terms

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Carla,

in this case I would collate all the files with Adobe Acrobat (or 
appropriate portions of files, if filesizes are very large) and export 
this to either Word, text (or even HTML-format).


This is searchable with tools like search&replace, where you can easily 
implement a list of words.
Of course there will be no replacing possible with the same step in the 
PDF files.


It would only give you the idea what is going on in these old documents.

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

---

Am 2021-07-06 17:28, schrieb Martinek, Carla:

If you work for a Global company, you may be aware of China's Patent & 
Advertising laws. There are certain terms that are blacklisted, and 
violations can result in fines and even sanctions against companies.


Is anyone aware of a tool that would allow you to search multiple PDFs 
and compare against a list of terms and flag instances?


We want to look at our published PDF files, hundreds of them, and some 
of which are quite old, and see if we can find anything that is a 
potential violation . Unfortunately, most of these files weren't 
created in XML/CMS, but in Frame, InDesign, and even other apps, so 
searching source files isn't the best option.


-Carla

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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Mike,

in the office where I work, we still have the old FM 10 installed.

I checked this here and it is still the same as with the other FM 
versions. (BTW, I always work with "save as PDF", stopped using the 
print to ps-file nonsense in 2007 with FM 8.)


Well, how do you know that there is an overprint?
This will be decided while effectively printing or separating, it cannot 
be seen as such in the PDF. (Not in my test...)


Here is the result, checked with the "Quite revealing" tool.
The black color was successfully set to "overprint" in FM 8, FM 10 and 
FM 2017:


The rectangle behind is defined as knockout (both screenshots show the 
same area of the PDF).


Best -- Tino (Heiko)

2021-04-15 05:33 Mike Wickham:

Ok, this has gotten way weirder, but I have managed a partial solution 
that lets me create this particular file the way I want. I suspect the 
book will bomb out, though. I've always had trouble getting Save as PDF 
to work with books. Here is what fixed it enough for now:


1. I used Save as PDF. Print to PDF does not seem capable of passing 
overprints to PDF. But, even using Save as PDF, Acrobat may say "Page 
has Overprint: Yes," but still knockout backgrounds.


2. Changing ink from 100% black to 99% black in my Overprint Black 
color definition, makes it overprint. Oddly, creating an Overprint 
Yellow at 100% works fine. Magenta and Cyan do not overprint, even at 
99% ink. Fortunately, I only need black to work in this book.


Anyway, I've been troubleshooting for two days. As long as black works, 
I'm probably okay. I'll be back if I can't get the whole book to Save 
as PDF.


And, a final note to Heiko, I'm curious how you created your PDF and if 
you actually turned off individual ink plates to see if overprints 
actually worked or if Acrobat was just lying to you, like it did to me! 
:)


Mike Wickham

On 4/14/2021 3:16 PM, Heiko Haida wrote:


Hi Mike,

I checked using a simple rectangle and some text.
I checked the behaviour with FM 8 and FM 2017 (no FM10 installed)

Changing the color definition to "overprint" worked, as the pdf has 
marked the black color as "overprint".


Here the info in the Acrobat "output preview" tool for the modified 
file:


In case the normal color definition is used, "Page has Overprint" will 
show a "No" in the resulting PDF.


I cannot say more about this.
Of course, for overprint or knock-out to become visible or effective, 
a separation is necessary.


Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

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Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Mike,

I checked using a simple rectangle and some text.
I checked the behaviour with FM 8 and FM 2017 (no FM10 installed)

Changing the color definition to "overprint" worked, as the pdf has 
marked the black color as "overprint".


Here the info in the Acrobat "output preview" tool for the modified 
file:


In case the normal color definition is used, "Page has Overprint" will 
show a "No" in the resulting PDF.


I cannot say more about this.
Of course, for overprint or knock-out to become visible or effective, a 
separation is necessary.


Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin

---

2021-04-14 05:04, Mike Wickham:


Hi, all,

I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document 
that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the 
entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a 
color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text 
knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But 
I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the 
background. Here is what I have done:


1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process, 
CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint.


2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on 
the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did 
the following in progressive steps.


3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and 
the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that 
says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background 
graphic instead. Same result.


4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single 
Line background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to 
Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint.


So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is 
behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line 
rules to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock 
out the background graphic.


Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print 
to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat 
2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows 
"Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the 
non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out.


I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. 
What am I missing? Why is Overprint not working?


Mike Wickham
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker install without Distiller?

[Heiko Haida]

Well, I never had problems to deselect the Distiller plugin, this sounds
strange. Do you have all the necessary admin rights? 

It is not advisable to install the Distiller plugin together with an
existing regular Acrobat, which will be efficiently removed or
deactivated -- very annoying esp. when further plugins are installed
with it (like PitStop etc.).
I made this mistake only once. 

Of course, maybe you are more the Adobe Reader type, but I like the
option to "work" with PDF files. 

Best regards -- Tino H.Haida, Berlin 

Art Campbell:

> Unless you want to mess with the innards, it's easiest and best just to
> install FM with the defaults. You're more likely to F* up something trying
> to second guess the installer and not install the Distiller than you are
> following the KISS principle.
> 
> If Acrobat is set as your default printer, as it should be, it will be
> used.
> 
> Just get in the habit of using the Print command.
> 
> Art Campbell
> art.campb...@gmail.com
> "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and
> a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> No disclaimers apply.
> DoD 358
> 
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> 
>> My employer has purchased a Frame license for me (yay!), but the
>> installation program won't let me install FrameMaker without the Adobe
>> Acrobat Distiller. Which is to say that Distiller is a component underneath
>> FrameMaker, and if I deselect it, the installer also deselects FM, and if I
>> then select FM, it selects Distiller with no input from me.
>> 
>> I already have Acrobat Pro on here, I don't want to mess that up as I know
>> can happen when you install the headless version that comes with Frame.
>> 
>> What magic do I perform to NOT install Distiller while installing FM?
>> 
>> --
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Re: [Framers] Simplified Chinese and Latin Quotation Marks

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Rick, 

the symbols U+201C and U+201D have to be used for the double quotes.
The problem you describe should not occur with FM 2017 (in my test,
everything was ok). 

Also, the quotes should be handled in way that they will be formatted
with the Chinese font (not the Latin font). 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

 Rick Quatro: 

> Hi Framers,
> 
> I have a structured FrameMaker 2017 document that has been translated to 
> Simplified Chinese. Some of the cross-reference formats have double quotes in 
> them, like
> 
> See "<$paratext>" on page <$pagenum>.
> 
> The text has been translated but the quotes and building blocks are still 
> there. The problem is that with the Chinese there are sometimes line breaks 
> after the open quote and before the close quote, depending on where the 
> cross-reference falls on the line. For example, the close quote in the text 
> below is on the second line by itself instead of bring the whole quoted text 
> down with it.
> 
> 燃油加注口盖。请参见第 97 页的 " 燃油加注
> 
> "
> 
> The same thing happens if an open quote falls as the end of the line; it 
> stays there and the rest of the quoted text moves to the next line. Is there 
> a way to prevent these line breaks? Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] Simplified Chinese Index

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Rick, 

we are using as group titles: 

Symbols[\
];Numerics[0];A;B;C;D;E;F;G;H;I;J;K;L;M;N;O;P;Q;R;S;T;U;V;W;X;Y;Z 

And the sort order would be: 

<$symbols><$numerics><$alphabetics><$pinyin> 

This should work... 

I know that others may use different settings. The group titles for
Simplified Chinese are always latin characters according to the
pronunciation of the words. It may be a question if entries written with
latin characters should appear together at the beginning or at the end
of the index (we prefer the beginning, before the Chinese). 

As you know, FrameMaker will have about 95% of the Chinese entries
sorted correctly, but not all of them (a character/word may leed to
different pronunciations, which FrameMaker cannot handle!). Therefore,
any Chinese index has to be checked by a native speaker and either
corrected manually, or by specifying correct sort orders in the entries
themselves (in brackets). 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Rick Quatro:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a FrameMaker book that has been translated into Simplified Chinese.
> The index markers were also translated. When I generate the index, what do I
> have to do to get Chinese characters for the group titles? Thank you very
> much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] Structured import: Sizing the image as well as the anchored frame

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Rick, 

for example, in our standard XML, a graphic is represented like this: 

 

As you can see, there are a lot more entries, "height" and "width"
belong to the frame, the size of the graphic itself is defined in
"impsize".
In this case, FM was used as XML editor, so that there is no need to
translate all these attributes. The r/w-rule only says: 

element "Graphic" {
  is fm graphic element;
} 

You would have to add either "impsize" attributes or "dpi" values. 
I do not think this could be done by a r/w-rule.

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Rick Quatro:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a structured application that imports EPS images into the document. I
> have a couple of read/write rules for sizing the anchored frame:
> 
> attribute "width" is fm property width;
> attribute "height" is fm property height;
> 
> Here is the xml markup:
> 
> 
> 
> When I import this into FrameMaker, I get the correct sizing on the anchored
> frame. However, the EPS does not get scaled at all. Is there a Read/Write
> rule or some other way to proportionately scale the EPS to fit the anchored
> frame?
> 
> I can do it with a script, but I don't want to miss a better way. Thanks.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
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Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Robert, hi Tammy, 

the two glyphs are quite similar, but not the same. The left double
quote is a little thicker at the bottom (66), the right double quote is
a little thicker at the top (99). Both glyphs in Avenir are pointing
from down left to up right, so they look very much alike. There is
nothing else we could do with this font given. 

Of course the glyphs of the Source Sans are very "curly" in comparison. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida 

Robert Lauriston:

> Looks like that's how Avenier Next LT is designed. 201c and 201d use
> the same glyph.
> 
> https://www.linotype.com/1129827/avenir-next-light-product.html
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tammy Van Boening
>  wrote: 
> 
>> FM 10, Win 7, AvenirNext LT Pro font for Table Body and Sans Pro Source for
>> text body. (Required by the client).
>> 
>> For Table Body:
>> I can get straight double quotes inserted just fine, but I want curly
>> quotes. With  Smart Quotes turned off, I am trying to insert curly double
>> quotes in the file. For the left curly double quote, I use the command of
>> CTRL+q R and the quote is double, but it is still facing the wrong direction
>> - it looks like a right curly double quote. For the right curly double
>> quote, I use the command of CTRL+q S and that appears just fine.  So, I
>> tried with Smart Quotes turned on just and no go. . . the same result.
>> 
>> FWIW, when using the Sans Pro Source font , with Smart Quotes turned on, I
>> can get proper facing curly quotes no problem.
>> 
>> Why would the font make a difference and any advice about getting curly
>> quotes to work with the required Table Font would be sincerely appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] How to get xml to use structured application

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Rick, 

the path info for the DTD, template, r/w rules etc. is specified in the
structured application. 

But I know, somestimes this does not "catch" it. 

The question is, how the "SYSTEM" information is processed.
I did not find anything about this in the XML literature (it always
says, the DTD is "known" then, whatever that means on the technical
level). 

 

There are 2 other ways to fix this: 

a) You specify the exact path and name of the DTD replacing the SYSTEM
entry. 

b) And, well, of course it may be possible to add the DTD to all XML
files as internal DTD. But thats rather a theoretical approach. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Rick Quatro:

> I pretty much have this figured out I think, but I am still stuck on one
> item. I am using this in my xml file:
> 
> 
> 
> And my structured app specifies one of the DOCTYPEs as toc-stn. When I open
> the xml file, it is now using the correct structured application.
> 
> However, the xml file has to be in the same folder as ixxus.dtd. Is there a
> way to avoid this requirement? Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Of Rick Quatro
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:38 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] How to get xml to use structured application
> 
> Hi Framers,
> 
> I am creating an XML file for FrameMaker via XSLT. What do I need to put in
> the XML file in order to get FrameMaker to use a particular structured
> application when it opens the file? Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> 585-366-4017
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Re: [Framers] Pros/Cons: Separate file per chapter, or one REALLY BIG FILE for an entire book

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Lin, 

we are producing multi-lingual FM books out of an XML-CMS, so we do not
have to handle the FM files for editorial purposes. 

I prefer the single file (per language), because we often had problems
with the left/right pagination rules and special left/right masterpages
for the start of the chapter.
You have to be so careful with the book override and the single file
setup when there are so many files involved (e.g. 12 languages à 6
chapters = 72 files), and it was annoying to check each PDF to the last
page for pagination errors. 

Later on, we started to reduce the page amount dramatically (to one
third or even one sixth of the original size) by using smaller font
sizes and multi-column layouts. For this, it was very helpful to have a
single file, because a "chapter" within one language can then start on
the same page (or column) as the preceding chapter. (The emphasis was
not so much on the chapters but on the different languages.) 
Of course, the FM book will still contain one FM chapter per language. 

About ressource problems: 
Our largest mono-lingual document has almost 400 pages as one file, this
works well. 

PS:
The only time FrameMaker did not work well was when I imported a
multiterm database export file (as xml via structured application). 
I had to split up the original xml into 3 parts, and although this was
only text, it took FrameMaker more than one hour to open one of the
parts (as the resulting file had several thousand pages). So, although
it was fun to set up the application and the DTD for it, I had to give
up the idea of using FrameMaker for editing this file... 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida 

 Lin Sims:

> Pretty much what it says in the title. I'm guessing there have been
> discussions about this in the past, and I plan to look for those, but I
> thought I'd toss this out there anyway.
> 
> We're talking chapters that can run a couple hundred (or more) pages loaded
> with tables, graphics, and conditional text so that they can be used to
> single-source multiple documents (no, don't talk to me about DITA, my
> non-tech-writing boss wants it in unstructured).
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Re: [Framers] LTR in RTL issue...

[Heiko Haida]

Well, normally the layout work is a one-way thing. 

Of course you could try to add another XSLT for converting the marks
back to attributes while checking in the data. 

I would be interested to know what kind of solution/workflow you are
going to establish, maybe you can share this on occasion. 

Good luck -- Tino 

 Scott Prentice:

> Hi Tino...
> 
> I'm thinking that the problem with using XSL in the structured app is that it 
> would continue to add the marks every time the file is opened. It seems like 
> you'd want to have some logic that could add the marks as needed, if they 
> don't already exist.
> 
> I need to discuss the possible workflow with my client, and see what would 
> work best. Now that I see how it works, we should be able to work something 
> out.
> 
> Thanks!
> ...scott
> 
> On 9/24/16 3:52 PM, Heiko Haida wrote: 
> 
> Hi Scott, 
> 
> I would use an XSL-transformation as part of the structured application for 
> these elements with "dir"-attribute. This could add the marks as real 
> characters in the text. 
> Maybe prefix and suffix are solitary containers in FrameMaker that are not 
> thought to influence any more portions of the *real* text (only a guess). 
> 
> I use an Extend script that sets the markers for a selected text analogously 
> to Indesign (this makes it a little bit easier for the layout work in the 
> good old-fashioned way). 
> 
> ...Tino 
> 
> Scott Prentice: Thank you Tino!
> 
> This does seem to work (mostly)! Yes .. you'd think that the translator 
> should be doing this, as it would be part of a proper translation. I'm 
> working with XML markup and I'm thinking that you might be able to add these 
> "marks" as prefix and suffix rules to certain elements, controlled by the 
> @dir attribute. If @dir='ltr' set the prefix to LTR override and the suffix 
> to POP. 
> 
> ... testing ...
> 
> Hmm .. bummer. It doesn't seem to work. It looks like the EDD isn't applying 
> the marks for prefix and suffix. If I manually add the marks before and after 
> the .. Fn + % .. it works right (and displays like "Fn + 
> %"). But with the EDD-applied marks, it stays like this .. "% + Fn". Seems 
> like a FM bug?
> 
> I suppose I could create a plugin to add these marks to elements with the 
> @dir attribute, but then I'd need to be sure to strip them off on file save, 
> else they'd keep getting added .. hmm.
> 
> Anyway .. thanks for your help!
> 
> Cheers!
> ...ttocs
> 
> On 9/24/16 5:06 AM, Heiko Haida wrote: 
> 
> Hi Scott, 
> 
> when it comes to a mixture of LTR in a RTL context, the software will also 
> recognize the "natural" direction of every character. 
> 
> For now, you can only change this in FrameMaker by adding "bidirectional 
> marks". There a is an extra palette for this. 
> This is not a character format you could apply to a text range, like in 
> Indesign. I already suggested a more intuitive solution for this in 
> FrameMaker (in Indesign ME, it is pretty easy to control). 
> 
> How do these marks works? --> Well, I am always trying until it fits: You add 
> a start mark and an end mark, eg. LRO/PDF or LRI/PDI, or LRO combined with 
> RLO to switch back. Sometimes, the closing mark is not necessary. Of course, 
> there is an exact definition in Unicode about how the different marks should 
> work. 
> 
> In a perfect translation, the translator should already have added the marks. 
> (Well, this is just a dream... -- never heard of any translator who would 
> know this).
> 
> pls also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text 
> Or look it up in the Unicode manuals. 
> 
> Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 
> 
> Scott Prentice: 
> Hi...
> 
> In FM 2015 .. is there a "text range" property to change the text direction? 
> I'm only seeing this in the paragraph properties, but not in character 
> properties.
> 
> I know that it's supposed to "properly" flip English text, but it appears 
> that there are cases where this doesn't work quite right. (I'm no expert on 
> this formatting, so I can't really say what's "right", but it's apparently 
> not what's wanted.)
> 
> For example, if you have an Arabic paragraph formatted as LTR, and in that 
> paragraph you have some English words that terminate with a special character 
> of some kind or even an inline image. In this case, the English words will 
> properly flip to RTL, but the special character or image (at the end of the 
> English words) will be on the left of those words, when you want it to be on 

Re: [Framers] LTR in RTL issue...

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Scott, 

I would use an XSL-transformation as part of the structured application
for these elements with "dir"-attribute. This could add the marks as
real characters in the text. 
Maybe prefix and suffix are solitary containers in FrameMaker that are
not thought to influence any more portions of the *real* text (only a
guess). 

I use an Extend script that sets the markers for a selected text
analogously to Indesign (this makes it a little bit easier for the
layout work in the good old-fashioned way). 

...Tino 

Scott Prentice:

> Thank you Tino!
> 
> This does seem to work (mostly)! Yes .. you'd think that the translator 
> should be doing this, as it would be part of a proper translation. I'm 
> working with XML markup and I'm thinking that you might be able to add these 
> "marks" as prefix and suffix rules to certain elements, controlled by the 
> @dir attribute. If @dir='ltr' set the prefix to LTR override and the suffix 
> to POP. 
> 
> ... testing ...
> 
> Hmm .. bummer. It doesn't seem to work. It looks like the EDD isn't applying 
> the marks for prefix and suffix. If I manually add the marks before and after 
> the .. Fn + % .. it works right (and displays like "Fn + 
> %"). But with the EDD-applied marks, it stays like this .. "% + Fn". Seems 
> like a FM bug?
> 
> I suppose I could create a plugin to add these marks to elements with the 
> @dir attribute, but then I'd need to be sure to strip them off on file save, 
> else they'd keep getting added .. hmm.
> 
> Anyway .. thanks for your help!
> 
> Cheers!
> ...ttocs
> 
> On 9/24/16 5:06 AM, Heiko Haida wrote: 
> 
> Hi Scott, 
> 
> when it comes to a mixture of LTR in a RTL context, the software will also 
> recognize the "natural" direction of every character. 
> 
> For now, you can only change this in FrameMaker by adding "bidirectional 
> marks". There a is an extra palette for this. 
> This is not a character format you could apply to a text range, like in 
> Indesign. I already suggested a more intuitive solution for this in 
> FrameMaker (in Indesign ME, it is pretty easy to control). 
> 
> How do these marks works? --> Well, I am always trying until it fits: You add 
> a start mark and an end mark, eg. LRO/PDF or LRI/PDI, or LRO combined with 
> RLO to switch back. Sometimes, the closing mark is not necessary. Of course, 
> there is an exact definition in Unicode about how the different marks should 
> work. 
> 
> In a perfect translation, the translator should already have added the marks. 
> (Well, this is just a dream... -- never heard of any translator who would 
> know this).
> 
> pls also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text 
> Or look it up in the Unicode manuals. 
> 
> Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 
> 
> Scott Prentice: 
> Hi...
> 
> In FM 2015 .. is there a "text range" property to change the text direction? 
> I'm only seeing this in the paragraph properties, but not in character 
> properties.
> 
> I know that it's supposed to "properly" flip English text, but it appears 
> that there are cases where this doesn't work quite right. (I'm no expert on 
> this formatting, so I can't really say what's "right", but it's apparently 
> not what's wanted.)
> 
> For example, if you have an Arabic paragraph formatted as LTR, and in that 
> paragraph you have some English words that terminate with a special character 
> of some kind or even an inline image. In this case, the English words will 
> properly flip to RTL, but the special character or image (at the end of the 
> English words) will be on the left of those words, when you want it to be on 
> the right. Adding more English words (or a character) "after" the image or 
> special character will make it flip back to the right of the English words .. 
> but if you want this character or image to be at the end (on the right) of 
> the English phrase, you're out of luck it seems.
> 
> If there was a text range property that could be applied to the characters 
> that you always want to be RTL in the middle of an LTR para, this would work 
> just fine. (I think.)
> 
> Anyway .. I don't think that what I'm looking for exists in FM, but I'm 
> asking on the off chance that it might.
> 
> Thanks!
> ...scott
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Re: [Framers] LTR in RTL issue...

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Scott, 

when it comes to a mixture of LTR in a RTL context, the software will
also recognize the "natural" direction of every character. 

For now, you can only change this in FrameMaker by adding "bidirectional
marks". There a is an extra palette for this. 
This is not a character format you could apply to a text range, like in
Indesign. I already suggested a more intuitive solution for this in
FrameMaker (in Indesign ME, it is pretty easy to control). 

How do these marks works? --> Well, I am always trying until it fits:
You add a start mark and an end mark, eg. LRO/PDF or LRI/PDI, or LRO
combined with RLO to switch back. Sometimes, the closing mark is not
necessary. Of course, there is an exact definition in Unicode about how
the different marks should work. 

In a perfect translation, the translator should already have added the
marks. (Well, this is just a dream... -- never heard of any translator
who would know this).

pls also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bi-directional_text 
Or look it up in the Unicode manuals. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Scott Prentice:

> Hi...
> 
> In FM 2015 .. is there a "text range" property to change the text direction? 
> I'm only seeing this in the paragraph properties, but not in character 
> properties.
> 
> I know that it's supposed to "properly" flip English text, but it appears 
> that there are cases where this doesn't work quite right. (I'm no expert on 
> this formatting, so I can't really say what's "right", but it's apparently 
> not what's wanted.)
> 
> For example, if you have an Arabic paragraph formatted as LTR, and in that 
> paragraph you have some English words that terminate with a special character 
> of some kind or even an inline image. In this case, the English words will 
> properly flip to RTL, but the special character or image (at the end of the 
> English words) will be on the left of those words, when you want it to be on 
> the right. Adding more English words (or a character) "after" the image or 
> special character will make it flip back to the right of the English words .. 
> but if you want this character or image to be at the end (on the right) of 
> the English phrase, you're out of luck it seems.
> 
> If there was a text range property that could be applied to the characters 
> that you always want to be RTL in the middle of an LTR para, this would work 
> just fine. (I think.)
> 
> Anyway .. I don't think that what I'm looking for exists in FM, but I'm 
> asking on the off chance that it might.
> 
> Thanks!
> ...scott
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Re: [Framers] OT: Copyright rules for scripts

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Klaus, 

I would say that a copyright should be interpreted strictly, in the way
that nothing is allowed except it was explicitly mentioned otherwise.
In your case, you are not be allowed to use the script or a substantial
part of it as if it were your own, unless the author gives you the
permission (--> "All rights reserved."). 

If the author gives you the permission, he/she may ask for an
appropriate fee.
This seems to be fair. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Klaus Daube: 

> Dear Framers!
> 
> 3 years ago I ordered and got an ExtendScript according to my
> specifications for which I paid quite an amount. The author placed a
> note in the script:
> 
> // Copyright 2013, Author.Company.Com. All rights reserved.
> 
> May I (as purchaser of a specific work) use this work as a base for own
> work which I then offer to the public on my website?
> 
> With all this plagiarism discussion in the back of my neck: When using
> other people's work (which normally does not contain any copyright
> notice) I have started to include a note such as:
> 
> Based on xxx.jsx (http://...).
> 
> fo example:
> 
> function FindAndReplaceString (activeDoc, findString, replaceString,
> loopMax)
> 
> // Source: Russ Ward in
> https://forums.adobe.com/message/3888653#3888653
> 
> I have seen (c) notices in script souce such as the following - which is
> clear to allow what I intend to do:
> 
> // (c) 2010 Matt Di Pasquale
> 
> //
> 
> // Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person
> obtaining a copy
> 
> // of this software and associated documentation files (the
> "Software"), to deal
> 
> // in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
> the rights
> 
> // to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or
> sell
> 
> // copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software
> is
> 
> // furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
> 
> //
> 
> // The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be
> included in
> 
> // all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
> 
> But such long statements are rare. The script example is 90 lines, of
> which the complete (c) notice is 20 lines.
> 
> We all build our work with the help from others - or we need to close
> all forums. IMHO it is fair use to state the source of the bricks which
> I use to build a new script. But does this violate the claims of the
> author mentioned on top?
> 
> ~~~
> ~~
> 
> Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich
> 
> Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
> 
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Re: [Framers] Importing a single variable. WAS: Preventing 2-word product name from line breaks

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Roger, 

one objection: 

Although the mif-file contains only a single variable, FM will add a set
of default system variables to it.
By importing the variables into another file, all changes in the
definition of system variables (like added character formats e.g.) will
be discarded there. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida 

Roger Shuttleworth: 

> This discussion seems to have morphed into one about importing variable 
> definitions in a situation where your work environment doesn't allow you to 
> install plugins. Here's my two pennorth:
> 
> Monique Semp said:
> "Yes, but that presupposes that you want *all* the variables from the 
> sourcefile. But in my case, I have different variables in different 
> FrameMakertemplates (for frontmatter, ToC, chapters), with only some 
> variables, suchas the doc's part number, in all the templates. So by using 
> BookVars, I caneasily change/add only the desired variable, to all files in 
> the book,without affecting any other variables."
> 
> There is a way to import a single variable into your doc. This method may be 
> familiar to those as long in the tooth as I am, but new to the younger 
> generation. I append an answer that was given by Framers years ago, with my 
> acknowledgments to the original author, whoever he/she was.
> 
> Importing a single variable into a template
> 
> Create a small text file with the variable and save it with a .mif extension. 
> If you then open that file in FrameMaker, it will appear to be a regular 
> blank FrameMaker document, but you'll know for sure that the only thing it 
> actually contains is the one variable definition you want to import.
> 
> There are two ways that you can use the variable created in the .mif file: 
> Use that .mif file the same as you would any file from which you are 
> importing formats; or from the File menu, choose Import > File, and then 
> select the Copy into the document radio button.
> 
> If you need to change the variable definition, edit the text file. See the 
> following example for more information.
> 
> Example:
> 
> 
>   
> >
> # end of VariableFormat >
> # end of VariableFormats
> 
> Note that the opening quote symbol for the variable name and its definition 
> is actually the left slanting character below the tilde on your keyboard. The 
> closing quote is a straight single quote/apostrophe. Note also that if you 
> want to include more variables, you just need the whole group of four lines 
> for each variable. For example, if you added a CompanyShortName variable, the 
> MIF snippet file might look like this:
> 
> 
>   
> >
> # end of VariableFormat
>  
> >
> # end of VariableFormat>
> # end of VariableFormats
> 
> Caveats:
> I'm not sure whether you would need to change "MIFFile 6.00" into something a 
> bit more up-to-date, but I doubt it. Also, I've not tested this on recent FM 
> versions, but see no reason why it wouldn't work.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Roger
 
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Re: [Framers] slow-scrolling images

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi John, 

well, it is common that loading of graphics takes longer when the files
are stored on network drives. You could try to gather all files on a
local drive. 

Another kind of obstacle are certain anti-virus softwares. Maybe the
most frequently used file types should be put on a "white list", if
possible. 

And last but not least large bitmap files with high resolution take
longer to be rendered by FrameMaker. The effective resolution should not
exceed 300 dpi, a higher resolution is not necessary in most cases. 

There have already been some discussions like this, you may also check
the Frameusers' archive.
(e.g.
http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/msg57291.html
or
http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/msg41567.html)


Best regards -- Tino H. Haida 

John Sgammato: 

> Have any of you worthies seen and fixed this issue?
> I get a very slow response in FrameMaker when scrolling through files with
> referenced images.  Obviously, the more images the slower the response when
> moving through the pages in a file.
> It takes longer than it should for each image to appear as the page scrolls
> 
> -- 
> 
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> *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com  *c* 508.927.2083
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Framers] About text frames

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Pat, 

ok, I understand, that is true. No, I think there is no way to change
this. 

I would recommend to simply copy/paste the callout frames from an
exiting frame instead of inserting new text frames. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida 

Pat Christenson: 

> I'll clarify further.
> 
> When I create a text frame for a callout to a graphic, it always defaults to 
> Body. I have a paragraph format called Callout. Can I change the default 
> paragraph for a text frame to Callout?
> 
> I can't simply redefine Body to match the settings of Callout because we use 
> Body throughout our documents.
> 
> Pat
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+pat.christenson=morningstar@lists.frameusers.com] 
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:08 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] About text frames
> 
> To change the paragraph tag for a new .fm file, ee "Change the template for 
> blank paper" in the help.
> 
> Other than that, the paragraph tag for a new paragraph is set by the Next Pgf 
> Tag setting in the previous paragraph.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Pat Christenson 
>  wrote: 
> 
>> -  Is there a way to set the default paragraph format to something 
>> other than Body?
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Re: [Framers] About text frames

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Pat, 

a) no (you could write a script for this, or you copy an already
existing text frame) 

b) well, you can delete the "Body" format and use this file as a
template.
Can you describe a situation when FrameMaker needs to apply the "default
para format"? 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida 

Pat Christenson: 

> I'm using FrameMaker 12.
> 
> -  Is there a way to disable the Number of Columns dialog that 
> appears when you first create a text frame?
> 
> -  Is there a way to set the default paragraph format to something 
> other than Body?
> Thanks.
> 
> Pat Christenson
> Senior Technical Writer, Client Education
> Morningstar, Inc.
> pat.christen...@morningstar.com
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Re: [Framers] Taking and inserting screen captures in FrameMaker2015

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi John, 

I just checked and the registry fix from Parrain works, but only on a
newly defined profile (which then appears in "my profiles").
The standard profiles seem to be "immune", i.e. changes will be
discarded. 

(Note that user profiles will get a cryptic key name in the registry,
consisting of 32 alphanumeric characters, and not the name you have
given the profile.) 

I saw another key "DPI", which I also set from 96 (dec) to 300 (dec). As
a result of all this, my profile now produces images with 300 dpi
preset. 

This does not increase the amount of pixels, of course, it will only
change (reduce) the resulting layout size in a DTP program.
Normally, I would use a Photoshop actions batch for this. No need to
change it in Snagit for me. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Parrain wrote: =
Using regedit in administrator mode, you can modify your profiles :
- point regedit to
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TechSmith\SnagIt\11\Profiles\the desired
profile
- switch the key "ImageUseResDPI" to 0 (zero - that means "don't use the
default 96DPI resolution").
- switch the "ImageXResolution" and "ImageYResolution" keys to the
decimal value you need (in my case "300", so "12c" in hexadecimal). 

John Sgammato: 

> Yesterday I tried the registry fix on SnagIt 12 and it didn't work.
> I couldn't get the Garth Jones fix to work either.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Monique Semp 
> wrote:
> 
> RE: one huge disadvantage - Starting with SnagIt 10, the removed the 
> capability to preset the resolution at which you
> 
> capture images. There's a thread about it here:
> 
> https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/restore_the_global_image_resolution_preference_setting
> 
> Actually, the setting *is* in SnagIt 10, but apparently not in SnagIt 11.
> (I didn't know this because I'm still using SnagIt 10, and now know I won't
> want to upgrade!)
> 
> Reading further in the techsmith thread, there is a workaround. It seems
> that you can install an older version (by retrieving it form the techsmith
> if you don't still have the install file), use SnagIt 10 to create a
> profile with the 300 dpi (or whatever setting you need), and then use that
> profile with your newer SnagIt. Of course why you'd want to use the newer
> one is up for debate...
> 
> And reading really far into the thread, it turns out that there's a
> registry setting that you can use to control this, at least in SnagIt 11.
> (Look for the post from "Parrain", from "2 years ago". And "Garth Jones"
> pointed to a way to get 300 dpi with SnagIt 12. (SnagIt 12 seems to be
> needed for Windows 10, for some users?)
> 
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Re: [Framers] PDF xrefs to book versus individual file

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Fred, 

are you sure there are no link informations conveyed to the PDF ? 

I noticed that sometimes the resulting invisible rectangular with the
link information (visible only with "link tool" active) is so small and
not exactly on the page number, that it can only be "clicked" when
zoomed in (not in full page screen mode). 

Regards -- Tino H. Haida 

Fred Wersan: 

> I have a release notes document with several xrefs to different sections in a 
> book. When I generate the PDF, some work correctly and some don't. The ones 
> that work are pointing to the book. The ones that don't are pointing to the 
> individual files (which don't exist as pdfs), not the book. I create them the 
> same way. The book file is open when I generate the pdf (save as pdf). Anyone 
> have an idea what might be going on?
> 
> (It's Frame 2015 and I have MicroType Timesavers installed.)
> 
> Fred
 
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Re: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Lin, 

with these fonts you would have to set or construct all bulleted numbers
manually. 
This would be ok for a few callouts. 

In this case though, the FM automatic numbering feature for paragraphs
produces numbers that cannot be mapped to the correct glyphs. 

At least, if you want to use higher two-digit numbers up to 99: 
-- The numeric sequence "n+" would only work up to "9". 
-- An alphabetic sequence "a+" would allow to map glyphs from a-z, i.e.
no more than 26 numbers. 
-- The roman numbering "r+" would not work at all. 
-- Newer FM versions like FM 12 have Japanese numberings; "hira iroha+"
produces 47 differents characters which might be mapped (of course, the
bullet font would have to be adjusted exactly to this mapping). 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Lin Sims: 

> Would using a number font that has circle backgrounds work? There are a
> whole bunch at this site:
> 
> http://www.fontscape.com/explore?3O4
> 
> There are several fonts that let you number up to 99 with them, but that
> should be plenty.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Framers,
>> 
>> Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client
>> of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from
>> FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file
>> that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me
>> know
>> if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> Rick Quatro
>> 
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> 
>> 585-366-4017
>> 
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>> 
>> I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with
>> FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets,
>> and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you
>> may or may not recall since it's been so long.
>> 
>> Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs.
>> 
>> The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font
>> called
>> BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph.
>> 
>> The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed
>> by another tab. The autonumber is white.
>> 
>> Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the
>> effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet.
>> 
>> But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with
>> a
>> run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs
>> out
>> at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve
>> the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not
>> enough negative spread to center the number.
>> 
>> To illustrate:
>> 
>> In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with
>> numbered
>> bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is
>> daunting and of course undesirable.
>> 
>> Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in
>> command so they work together the way they used to.
>> 
>> Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the
>> problem?
>> 
>> I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to
>> experiment and find a solution.
>> 
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Re: [Framers] FW: Negative Spread/Run-In Paragraph Problem in FrameMaker 2015

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Rick, 

you are right, that is strange. 
But let's see it as it is: 

-- We use a centered tab in the numbering and a high negative spread to
get text after a run-in-paragraph to be positioned over this first
paragraph. 
I think that is magic all the way. 

-- 

Ok, to give you a workaround: Pls find attached a new font file called
bigbullet3. I have set the bullet character to only half the calculated
width. 
You only have to switch the "bullet" format from bigbullet2 to
bigbullet3 -- it works for both older and the new FM version 2015 (at
least in my test file does this). The spread can remain as is (-42). 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Rick Quatro: 

> Hello Framers,
> 
> Anyone from Adobe monitoring the list? I got the email below from a client
> of mine and can confirm what he is seeing. Something has changed from
> FrameMaker 12 to 2015 that is causing the issue below. I have a sample file
> that I can forward if someone wants to take a look at it. Please let me know
> if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> 585-366-4017
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> I would dearly love to have your feedback on a problem I'm having with
> FrameMaker 2015. In Version 11, I successfully developed numbered bullets,
> and as part of my research for this, I remember contacting you, which you
> may or may not recall since it's been so long.
> 
> Numbered bullets are constructed as two paragraphs.
> 
> The first paragraph contains just one character (a bullet), in a font called
> BigBullet2.ttf. That first paragraph is a run-in paragraph.
> 
> The second paragraph starts with a tab, followed by an autonumber, followed
> by another tab. The autonumber is white.
> 
> Setting the spread in the first paragraph to -42% enables me to achieve the
> effect of having the white autonumber center over the black bullet.
> 
> But with FrameMaker 2015, the spread feature when used in conjunction with a
> run-in paragraph no longer works properly. At -42%, the autonumber hangs out
> at the right edge. I tried increasing the spread, and was able to improve
> the position slightly. But the maximum response is at -53.3%, which is not
> enough negative spread to center the number.
> 
> To illustrate:
> 
> In Frame 11 I have produced a whole array of technical manuals with numbered
> bullets in them. The prospect of now replacing them with plain bullets is
> daunting and of course undesirable.
> 
> Of course the best option is for Adobe to fix the spread command/run-in
> command so they work together the way they used to.
> 
> Do you happen to have any influence with Adobe to ask them to fix the
> problem?
> 
> I have attached the Frame file, in case you have the time/interest to
> experiment and find a solution.
> 
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Re: [Framers] Running H/F variable challenge

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Pat, 

you are right, a regular space is discarded, which seems to be a bug. FM
2015 works well with a non-breaking space ("\ "), though... 

You might try other spaces like en-space ("\sn") or em-space ("\sm"). 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

2016-03-16 21:22 Pat Christenson: 

> I need a Running H/F variable to work as follows:
> 
> If there's a Heading2, pull the text (such as Overview). If there's an 
> exercise head, pull the exercise number and the text. Heading2 paras don't 
> have an autonumber. Exercises number like this: Exercise\ : (with a space 
> after the colon)
> 
> So the Running H/F variable should read either Overview or Exercise 2: Create 
> a data point
> 
> I've defined the variable as 
> <$paranum[Exercise,Heading2><$paratext[Exercise,Heading2]>
> 
> It works perfectly except for one thing. I can't get the space after the 
> colon in the autonumber to appear in the header. Instead, it looks like this:
> Exercise 2:Create a data point
> 
> I've tried using a non-breaking space after the colon in the autonumber but 
> that doesn't work either.
> 
> Help is appreciated.
> 
> Pat Christenson
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Re: [Framers] bug in FM2015 search/replace

[Heiko Haida]

 

I cannot confirm, replacing works fine. 
FM 13.0.2.433 on Win 7 ultimate 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

---Austin Meredith: 

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> encounters a double space and asks if you want this double space
> replaced with a single space, it eats the final letter off the previous
> word! In my instance, "raceme[space][space][m-dash]" was made into
> "racem[space][m-dash]".
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Re: [Framers] Thai text in Fm11?

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi, 

I know some people who work with FM 10 to set Thai text. 

They still had a Win XP computer for this, as the same text would not
show up correctly on a Win 7 machine.
We could not figure out, why. 

There are two other main problems with Thai texts: 

a) accents may not be displayed correctly in FrameMaker. If so, we
placed small graphics over the wrong characters, which is a tedious
work, of course. 

b) word boundaries are only known to native speakers, as Thai is written
without spaces. You need someone -- who can also work with FM -- to
break the lines correctly. 

So, it is possible to work with FM, but it was not so trivial as with
other languages.
There may be better solutions, I guess... I have not checked with FM
2015, by the way. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Anna Lena Söderling: 

> Hi,
> 
> I want to know if it anyone knows if it works fine to translate English docs 
> created in Fm11 into Thai.
> 
> Are there things to be aware of or known problems that will occur?
> 
> I will appreciate any advice.
> 
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Re: [Framers] Special Characters in Variables

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Art, 

you are looking for "special characters in dialog boxes". 

You may look here: 
http://www.jetsetcom.net/images/downloads/fm9_keyboard_shortcuts_handout.pdf


This is for FM 9, but it seems to work in FM 2015 as well. 

The code for non-breaking hyphen is: \+ 

Best regards - Tino H.Haida, Berlin 

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> On FM 15, I'm working with a product name that I want in a variable that
> contains dashes/hyphens (like Jack-In-The-Box).
> 
> The Frame text key sequence of Esc - h doesn't work, and the ASCII sequence
> of Alt 2011 doesn't work.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> TIA,
> Art
> 
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Re: Purchase question

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hello Bertrand, 

did you check to work with the "Compatibility mode" setting? This is set
for the "exe"-file(s) of older applications and sometimes it may help --
you would choose the "Window XP" mode here. 

Another problem is, that older applications often require admin-rights
for certain folders like the application folder.
Maybe you can check if starting FrameMaker 7 with admin-rights may help.


I think that even FM 7.2 should run on a Win 8 system... 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Bertrand Meyer: 

> This is a newbie question; on the technical side I am not a FrameMaker 
> newbie, having used it for several decades, but I am not familiar with recent 
> versions since I have stuck to old ones which do what I need, on Solaris and 
> Windows. With recent releases of Windows, however, FrameMaker 7.2, which I 
> still use, crashes increasingly often (for example just using the mouse to 
> select text that includes a table invariably causes a crash). That's not 
> sustainable so I need to upgrade. For the most recent version all I saw on 
> Adobe's page is a software-for-rent solution, which is not acceptable. Could 
> someone please recommend a version that is the most recent possible, is 
> available for purchase, works reliably on recent versions of Windows (Windows 
> 8.1, soon Windows 10), will take older *.fm files, generate MIF, and retain 
> the traditional FrameMaker advantages? 
> 
> Thanks in advance, 
> 
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RE: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Kate, 

as Thai does not have spaces between words, you will absolutely need a
native speaker to break lines manually and to split up the text in the
correct way. Given this, is seems obvious that it is not advisable to
use the "justified" setting. 

Until now, there was no feature in FrameMaker -- built-in or accessible
to users -- to deal with this automatically (I would be surprised if
Indesign could do it...). 
I do not think this has changed in FM 2015. Have you worked with Thai
before? 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Kate Williams: 

> Hi Rick, 
> 
> I did check this and there is no Thai option in the language setting in the 
> paragraph format, unlike Arabic and Hebrew which are new additions. The only 
> viable option is None, which does nothing. 
> 
> Kate 
> 
> FROM: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] 
> SENT: 17 June 2015 16:44
> TO: Kate Williams; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting 
> 
> Hi Kate, 
> 
> Check the Language of the paragraph format. 
> 
> Rick 
> 
> Rick Quatro 
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc. 
> 
> 585-366-4017 
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com 
> 
> FROM: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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> SENT: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:14 AM
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> SUBJECT: FrameMaker 2015 Thai formatting 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> I'm doing some Thai testing in FrameMaker 2015 and while there are no issues 
> with the text displaying correctly, I'm having trouble with the formatting. 
> The paragraph style is fully justified and where in InDesign, the Thai would 
> follow on until the edge of the frame and then flow on to the next line, in 
> FrameMaker the text is breaking after almost every sentence. If it is a long 
> sentence then it will start on the next line completely, even if there are 
> only one or two characters on the previous line. This is leaving massive gaps 
> in the paragraphs. Any suggestions as to how to stop this from happening so 
> that the text flows normally? 
> 
> Many thanks, 
> 
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RE: Adobe announces FrameMaker (2015 Release) -- first steps with Arabic (RTL)

[Heiko Haida]

 

Dear Maxwell, 

thank you for this announcement and for the many new features of FM
2015, of course. 

I bought a subscription license and just made the very first steps to
use FM 2015 in our XML-based workflow for Arabic documents. The
conversion to Arabic looks very well. Only changing the direction from
RTL to LTR (with the setting of bidi-markers) is different to Indesign
and not so intuitive and handy. 

One point where there might be a small bug: 
Although the structured template is set to "Document > Direction > RTL",
my new FM files based on this template still are set to "LTR"... It
seems that this new property is not correctly transfered during the
structured workflow (unless I am missing sth ...). 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Maxwell Hoffmann: 

> Robert,
> 
> You can view the following featurette video to get a preview of how 
> Conditional Table Columns work:
> 
> http://tv.adobe.com/watch/framemaker-2015/fm-cond-tbl-cols/ [1]
> 
> I'll post separately on the REGISTRATION pages for LAUNCH WEBINARS for 
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Re: FM12 Transparent Graphics

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Ed, 

I have not checked, but maybe this message and statement from Dov Isaacs
(about FM 11) still applies to FM 12 as well... 

--> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1092566 

Fortunately we will see a change already with FM 13. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

De Rosier, Edward: 

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> 
> We are using FM 12 (TCS 5) on Windows 7 PCs.
> 
> The company has a new document style that includes a background image, which 
> is a bit like having a watermark on the cover page. In modifying the design 
> of our templates, we have placed the background image on the master page.
> 
> When we add a product image to the body page, the white background of the 
> product image masks a portion of the background image. We have tried images 
> (referenced from a common image folder) of the following types: Adobe 
> Illustrator (*.ai), Adobe Photoshop (*.psd), *.png, and *.eps.
> 
> Even though we have carefully created knockedout images with transparent 
> backgrounds, we have not been able to avoid the masking effect.
> 
> We would appreciate any ideas.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
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Re: Is FM11 completely backward compatible with FM10?

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Jim, 

I wonder where you would buy FM 10 -- this is not available any more. I
have been looking for a license recently, but I could not find any. 
You can still get FM11, but not directly from Adobe... 

AFAIK it is possible to buy the newest version (FM 12) and to use this
license to install an older version ("downgrading"). You should ask the
Adobe support how it works, of course. This way you could stay with your
FM 10 workflow. 

FM 11 has some new features like the code view, or the line numbers, and
so on. Depends if this is useful for you.
(Alan Houser described them here:
http://www.groupwellesley.com/2012/08/26/a-look-at-adobe-framemaker-11/)


Or maybe you buy one license of FM 12 for the new colleague and the
upgrade from FM 10 to FM 12.
In this case, you also have to consider that other people working for
you, like translators or typesetters, would be forced to change their
version.
FM 12 still has problems with the CMYK output by the way, if I remember
the recent discussion here in this forum correctly (FM 10 works fine!). 

I heard that FM 13 will be launched next year... 

 

Anyway, both writers must use the same version. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Jim Duszynski: 

> Happy Tuesday Framers! 
> 
> We are adding a writer and current have FM10. I want to buy FM10 or FM11 but 
> am not sure if FM11 is completely backward compatible with FM10. Can anyone 
> verify that the FM working files are interchangeable between FM11 & FM10, 
> with no special save to FM10 steps? I know there's a difference and I think 
> that is DITA output with FM11 (Thanks to Klaus for the FM feature history!). 
> I'd appreciate hearing from anyone who has been down this road before me. 
> 
> Thanks in advance! 
> 
> _JIM DUSZYNSKI_ 
> 
> Technical Writer 
> (719) 884-3787 
> 
> _"Don't write merely to be understood. Write so that you cannot possibly be 
> misunderstood." _(Robert Louis Stevenson) 
> 
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Re: Character Format Issue

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Kristy, 

if the Bold font is available and the corresponding character format is
defined and used correctly in the template, the only reason would be a
"AutonumCharFormat" defined in the EDD that overrides the template
(specifying a different character format). 
Of course, this would not explain why you can apply another formatting,
like Bold Underline... 

About the tables: I could try to answer a specific question, but my
range of experience with this issue is limited. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Kristy Nolan: 

> Hi, fellow Framers - 
> 
> I am working on cleaning up our EDD for our manuals, Frame 11. We have 3 
> types of alerts (note, caution, warning) that pretty much follow the same 
> rules, so are set up the same as much as possible. I have the caution and 
> warning doing exactly what I need them to do with Autonumber Format as 
> "Caution:" or "Warning:" and the Character Format as "Bold Underline." Since 
> I am trying to match (where possible) our Arbortext DTD and styles, I need 
> the "Note:" to be just Bold. 
> 
> However, the bold is not showing up. I can change it to everything else, 
> including Bold DoubleUnderline or Blue, and it displays as prescribed. Just 
> not plain bold. Spacing all works, nesting/indenting works fine. What can I 
> be missing? 
> 
> Also, if you are good at table format structuring and are willing to answer 
> questions, I am having trouble with those. Right now those are still just 
> done in my template through table designer with only the very basic set up in 
> the EDD. 
> 
> Thanks for any advice anyone can give on this! 
> 
> Kristy 
> 
> Kristy Nolan 
> 
> Manager Flight Ops Publications 
> 
> Central Publications 
> 
> Southwest Airlines 
> 
> 214.792.6142
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RE: removing space at the end of line

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Craig, 

this sounds familiar. It was always necessary to start a first search
from text, a second one from within a table (and sometimes a third one
on the master pages). 

So it seems that FrameMaker has not changed its behaviour with version
12. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Craig Ede: 

> Oddly enough, after posting this I ran into an issue I hadn't seen before 
> while stepping through a series of such replaces.
> 
> Sometimes after removing a space in a table it reports "Not found." Yet if 
> you click outside the table, it will continue to find such items. Sounds like 
> a bug to me. The occurrence of multiple paragraphs in a table, some of which 
> may have spaces at the end of a paragraph, may not have been adequately 
> tested by Adobe.
> 
> Craig
> 
> -
> From: adam.holl...@solacesystems.com
> To: craig...@hotmail.com
> Subject: RE: removing space at the end of line
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:59:18 +
> 
> Thanks so much for this. I've had a blog post brewing in my head for some 
> time about how regular expressions can be very useful for editing. Have yet 
> to write it, though. 
> 
> I'll be using this very frequently, I think. 
> 
> Adam Hollett 
> 
> Customer Documentation 
> 
> Solace Systems 
> 
> adam.holl...@solacesystems.com 
> 
> FROM: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] ON BEHALF OF Craig Ede
> SENT: March-23-15 3:31 PM
> TO: framers
> SUBJECT: removing space at the end of line 
> 
> Thanks to Rick Quatro's excellent webinar on regular expression search and 
> replace some time back I was able to construct the following reg exp search 
> in FM 12 to remove a space occurring at the end of a line right before the 
> end of paragraph marker. I've been using for it for awhile. I'm sure others 
> have constructed something similar, but for those of you who don't want to 
> mess around and experiment:
> 
> Find: (?<=.) (?=x0a)
> 
> Replace with nothing. Of course, the Regular Expressions option has to be 
> checked in the Find/Replace dialog.
> 
> Earlier versions of FrameMaker would allow you to replace a space followed by 
> an end of paragraph, but you had to replace with the paragraph marker. That 
> would result in your paragraph being formatted with the tag of the following 
> paragraph which was often not what you wanted.
> 
> Hope this is useful to someone out there. I find that Word conversions often 
> suffer from these extra spaces.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Craig
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RE: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Pat, 

I do not think that FM 12 would produce a different result. 

Did you consider to use a "MasterPagesMap" (on reference page)? 

pls. see -->
http://www.adobe.com/print/tips/frm7masterpage/pdfs/frm7masterpage.pdf 

Points 3-5. 

(Although this is for FM 7, is still applies to newer versions of FM, I
guess.) 

Best regards -- T.H. Haida 

Christenson, Pat: 

> We are using FrameMaker 10. 
> 
> Sorry I haven't responded sooner but more important things came up and I 
> think we're just going to have to live with this until we upgrade to FM 12. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Pat 
> 
> FROM: Heiko Haida [mailto:i...@heiko-haida.de] 
> SENT: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:23 PM
> TO: Christenson, Pat; Framers
> SUBJECT: Re: Problem with master pages and pagination settings 
> 
> Hi Pat, 
> 
> I checked our standard XML-workflow: We are also using a special first master 
> page which is assigned to the first (and only) page of the template. 
> 
> After loading the XML content, the standard left and right master pages are 
> used after the first page. The setting for the template is "Delete empty 
> pages". 
> 
> We had no problems with this so far. 
> 
> I checked with FM 8 and FM 12. 
> 
> Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 
> 
> Christenson, Pat: 
> 
>> I have a template with a custom master page on the first page. Pagination is 
>> set to Before Saving & Printing, Delete Empty Pages. The template is 1 page 
>> with boilerplate content. Content in each document flows onto new pages. 
>> 
>> Here's the problem: the new pages all use the custom first master page, not 
>> master page Right. 
>> 
>> I've discovered that changing the Before Saving & Printing setting in the 
>> template to Make Page Count Even in the template corrects this (new pages 
>> use master page Right) but these documents aren't supposed to have empty 
>> pages. 
>> 
>> The 2 fixes I've developed are: 
>> 
>> - In the template, set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count Even. 
>> After content is final in a document, set it to Delete Empty Pages. 
>> 
>> OR 
>> 
>> - In the template, add empty paragraphs to flow onto a second page, then set 
>> Before Saving & Printing to Delete Empty Pages. In a document, delete the 
>> empty paragraphs after inserting real content. 
>> 
>> Any other suggestions? 
>> 
>> Pat Christenson 
>> 
>> Resource Coordinator 
>> 
>> Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications 
>> 
>> pchristen...@ftportfolios.com

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Re: secured PDFs

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Carol, 

as I and Shmuel Wolfson pointed out: The password "security" is not
secure at all. 

I apologize, but your clients require something that cannot be achieved.


About the certificate: 
Given an original PDF with certificate, any later change would be
displayed -- so any reader could see that the file is not the original
file.
On the other hand, of course it is not possible for external
users/readers to distinguish a fake PDF with a false certificate or with
no certificate at all from an original one. First, he/she would have to
know that our company uses a certificate, and second the way a
certificate looks like can be reproduced by anyone. 

Only our staff could find out if the PDF is a fake (with certificate
password check), e.g. if necessary to initiate legal measures. 

At the moment, I do not see any way to prevent fake PDFs, although I
would be fond of knowing one. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida 

Carol J. Elkins: 

> At 11:00 AM 3/4/2015, you wrote:
> 
>> We are using the certificate security for our manuals instead, which will 
>> make sure that any unauthorized change could be detected.
> 
> Heiko, from the little I know about PDF certificate security, you must be 
> able to identify every user of the PDF. My clients sell PDF versions of their 
> books via CD on open ecommerce and I have found no good way to secure those 
> PDFs other than the very vulnerable password protection. Do you happen to 
> know if certificate security can be used in situations where a PDF is burned 
> to CD and the CDs mass-produced? My clients require secure PDFs to prevent 
> modifying them and also to prevent companies from copying the content and 
> rebranding it as their own.
> 
> Carol 
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Re: Track changes question

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi John, 

in the online help for FM 11 it says: 

"If you modify the document with the Track Text Edits feature on and
Preview Final or Preview Original selected, FrameMaker switches from
Preview mode to Tracking mode." 

So I guess you have to decide either to see all changes in tracking mode
or to switch off the tracking feature (which means of course that the
following changes then would not be tracked at all). 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com: 

> Hi, guys..
> 
> First, thanks for answering my question about using Scope to limit Track
> Changes to a single document.
> 
> Next question: Is there an element in a Framemaker configuration file that
> makes Document the default in the scope of track text edits?
> 
> Also, I find that if I have a document in the state "Preview Final", and I
> make a change, it immediately turns off Preview Final and shows all the
> track changes. I'd like to be able to work in a clean view and only view
> the changes when I want..
> 
> John X Posada
> AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control & Analytics
> | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
> 330 Madison Ave., NY NY
> 
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Re: secured PDFs

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi all, 

some time ago I bought the PDF Password Remover (-->
http://www.verypdf.com/app/pdf-password-remover/index.html)for legal
purposes. 

The tool simply wipes away the password in a second and costs only 30 $.
So, forget about password security to be any kind of obstacle. 

We are using the certificate security for our manuals instead, which
will make sure that any unauthorized change could be detected. 

(Until now, I still do believe that a certificate can not be removed, or
only by those users who own the certificate and with the system where
the certificate was originally set. But maybe this is not true, does
anyone have objections?) 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Shmuel: 

> This is what we allow and disallow:
> Printing: ALLOWED
> Changing the Document: Not Allowed
> Document Assembly: Not Allowed
> Content Copying or Extraction: ALLOWED
> Content Extraction for Accessibility: ALLOWED
> Commenting: Not Allowed
> Filling of form fields: Not Allowed
> Signing: Not Allowed
> Creation of Template Pages: Not Allowed
> 
> --
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 
> On 03-Mar-15 10:12 PM, Johnson, Joyce wrote: 
> 
>> We deliver user guides (software and hardware) to customers via 
>> password-protected pdfs, loaded onto servers and also posted on our customer 
>> web portal. 
>> 
>> I'm wondering how members of this group deliver customer-facing documents. 
>> Do you use pdfs? If so, do you secure those pdfs? If you secure them, how do 
>> you accommodate in-house colleagues who request unsecured pdfs so they can 
>> extract pages and images? 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for your responses. 
>> 
>> Joyce 
>> 
>> JOYCE M. JOHNSON 
>> 
>> AmerisourceBergen 
>> 
>> Lead Technical Writer 
>> 
>> Technology Group 
>> 
>> 1400 Busch Parkway 
>> 
>> Buffalo Grove, IL 60089 
>> 
>> 847.808.5875 
>> 
>> 888.537.3102 ext 15875 
>> 
>> www.abtg.com [1]
 

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Re: creating multiple table of contents in one FrameMaker document

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Salome, 

the main mechanism is: Certain para formats are chosen from the content
files (in book menu) to provide the source for the text in the table of
content file(s). 

For your case, this would mean: 

a) There is a book with all files in it, or 2 books in a book (one per
group) etc. 

b) The para formats for 1.-5. are headlines; when creating the TOC this
format is chosen to add its content to the TOC. 

c) There is a restarting numbering with the 2nd group ("1. Document:
Fish"). One way to do it is to use a different headline para format for
group 2, or the numbers are entered in the content as real text (not
auto-numbered headlines). It depends which option is best. 

d) The text "Group 1 Program" and "Group 2 Program" must be somewhere in
a document to be referenced to add to the TOC (this is a main problem). 

e) "Table of Contents" is simple text at the beginning of the TOC (para
format must not match other headline para formats that are supposed to
be added to TOC). 

This given, it should be possible to have a TOC like in your example. 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Abungu, Salome: 

> Hi! I would like to create multiple table of contents in one document. It 
> would look something like the layout below. Each of the documents is a 
> standalone FrameMaker file. Is this possible? I'm wracking my brain for 
> ideas. Thank you! 
> 
> Salome 
> 
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* 
> 
> TABLE OF CONTENTS 
> 
> GROUP 1 PROGRAM 
> 
> * Document: Alligator 
> * Document: Bear
> * Document: Camel
> * Document: Deer
> * Document: Eagle
> 
> GROUP 2 PROGRAM 
> 
> * Document: Fish
> * Document: Giraffe 
> * Document: Hippopotamus
> * Document: Iguana
> * Document: Jaguar
> 
> SALOME ABUNGU
> _Service and Sales_ 
> 
> _Technical Writer_ 
> 
> SCOTT SAFETY
> 4320 Goldmine Road 
> 
> Monroe, NC 28110 USA 
> 
> TEL: 704.207.2692 
> 
> FAX: 704.291.8420 
> 
> sabu...@tycoint.com 
> 
> WWW.SCOTTSAFETY.COM [1] 
> 
> FOLLOW SCOTT SAFETY [2] [3] [4]
 

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Re: Problem with master pages and pagination settings

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Pat, 

I checked our standard XML-workflow: We are also using a special first
master page which is assigned to the first (and only) page of the
template. 

After loading the XML content, the standard left and right master pages
are used after the first page. The setting for the template is "Delete
empty pages". 

We had no problems with this so far. 

I checked with FM 8 and FM 12. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

 Christenson, Pat: 

> I have a template with a custom master page on the first page. Pagination is 
> set to Before Saving & Printing, Delete Empty Pages. The template is 1 page 
> with boilerplate content. Content in each document flows onto new pages. 
> 
> Here's the problem: the new pages all use the custom first master page, not 
> master page Right. 
> 
> I've discovered that changing the Before Saving & Printing setting in the 
> template to Make Page Count Even in the template corrects this (new pages use 
> master page Right) but these documents aren't supposed to have empty pages. 
> 
> The 2 fixes I've developed are: 
> 
> - In the template, set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count Even. 
> After content is final in a document, set it to Delete Empty Pages. 
> 
> OR 
> 
> - In the template, add empty paragraphs to flow onto a second page, then set 
> Before Saving & Printing to Delete Empty Pages. In a document, delete the 
> empty paragraphs after inserting real content. 
> 
> Any other suggestions? 
> 
> Pat Christenson 
> 
> Resource Coordinator 
> 
> Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications 
> 
> pchristen...@ftportfolios.com
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Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Heiko Haida]

 

Good point, Scott, thank you.
I haven't seen this before, sorry... 

The syntax in the XML file would be like this: 

a) numeric example 


 

b) proportional example 


 

(here with the default that proportions add to "100") 

Best regards - Tino 

Scott Prentice: 

> Fei Min...
> 
> Column widths can be percentages using the "NN*" format, if your r/w rules 
> file includes this rule ..
> 
> writer use proportional widths;
> 
> Cheers,
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/24/15 10:41 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: 
> 
>> Thanks everyone who responded to this question. The conclusion is that we 
>> can't expect FrameMaker to automatically size the column widths depending on 
>> the cells' contents. The next best solution seems to be a post-processing 
>> script. Maybe a preprocessing script is feasible, but since XML is supposed 
>> to be format-independent, we really shouldn't know the font type and size or 
>> padding in each cell, so preprocessing is probably a bad idea. 
>> 
>> In the interests of clarity, I should point out that Russ Ward seems to be 
>> correct (at least in FrameMaker 10). If no column widths are specified in 
>> the XML file, FrameMaker uses the column widths of the table style (i.e. 
>> template), even though you don't explicitly specify them. FrameMaker saves 
>> the number of columns and the width of them behind the scenes whenever you 
>> save that table style. When you import the XML table using that style, it 
>> uses the width of the columns in the table style going from left to right 
>> (of course), and if the XML table has more columns than the table style, it 
>> keeps using the width of the last (rightmost) column. I know it never 
>> truncates nor adds columns according to the table style. 
>> 
>> Thanks for letting me know that the widths have to be fixed numbers and 
>> can't be percentages. 
>> 
>> Fei Min Lorente 
>> 
>> Senior Technical Communicator 
>> 
>> Medical and Wireless Division 
>> 
>> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com 
>> 
>> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2297 | Waterloo office 
>> 
>> +1 519-831-4931 | mobile 
>> 
>> +1 905-631-5724 | fax 
>> 
>> www.onsemi.com [5] 
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support
>> 
>> the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with
>> 
>> percentages. 
>> 
>> Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result
>> 
>> will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially
>> 
>> when translating the text in different languages) 
>> 
>> Each column has a numeric "column width" entry. 
>> 
>> If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all
>> 
>> colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code.
>> 
>> (I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2
>> 
>> cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.) 
>> 
>> Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when
>> 
>> inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have
>> 
>> influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all
>> 
>> tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns. 
>> 
>> We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are
>> 
>> specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML
>> 
>> code. Indesign e.g. would not be "able" to understand this XML directly
>> 
>> without transformation.
>> 
>> As you can see, one XML is not like another... 
>> 
>> Tino H. Haida, Berlin 
>> 
>> Lin Sims: 
>> 
>>> _ We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table 
>>> width with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those 
>>> measurements are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from 
>>> the Excel spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working 
>>> with before you get started, including how many columns you need included._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, 
>>> but I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle 
>>> calculations? _
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice >> [1]> wrote:_
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ Fei Min..._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know 
>>> of is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and 
>>> do the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or 
>>> amount of text, etc.)._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath._
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ ...scott_
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: _
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ Hi folks: _
>> 
>>> _ _
>> 
>>> _ I found this discussion from 2008: 
>>> https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946 [2] [3], and this helpful 
>>> answer from Russ Ward in 2010: 
>>> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0 [3] [4], but I don't see 

Re: Automatic column widths on import of XML file

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi, 

last time I had a closer look I found that FrameMaker would only support
the CALS table model with fixed numeric column widths, not with
percentages. 

Although it may be possible to set the widths via scripting, the result
will probably not be satisfying at the first attempt. (... especially
when translating the text in different languages) 

Each column has a numeric "column width" entry. 
If these entries are deleted or not written, FrameMaker assumes all
colums to have the same width when interpreting the XML code.
(I have an example here where all columns are output with a width of 2
cm, but I do not know what the default value would be.) 

Although a template may seem to specify a certain no. of columns (when
inserted as a new table), in the XML workflow a template will only have
influences on margins, ruling and shading. It does not mean that all
tables would be complemented or trunkated to this quantity of columns. 

We are using FrameMaker as XML editor, so the columns widths are
specified during the editing process and are thus transfered to the XML
code. Indesign e.g. would not be "able" to understand this XML directly
without transformation.
As you can see, one XML is not like another... 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

 Lin Sims: 

> We've an internal perl script that sets up tables at a predefined table width 
> with the columns at predefined widths, but I'm pretty sure those measurements 
> are hard-coded into the script that creates the XML file from the Excel 
> spreadsheet. It's doable if you know what sizes you're working with before 
> you get started, including how many columns you need included.
> 
> XML might let you set column widths as a percentage of page/screen width, but 
> I don't think that's directly transferable to FM. Can perl handle 
> calculations? 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> 
> Fei Min...
> 
> FM won't auto-adjust table columns in any useful way. The only way I know of 
> is to write a script or plugin to analyze the contents of the cells and do 
> the width adjustment based on some predefined logic (widest graphic, or 
> amount of text, etc.).
> 
> Would love to hear I'm wrong .. but hot holding my breath.
> 
> ...scott
> 
> On 2/23/15 9:16 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: 
> 
> Hi folks: 
> 
> I found this discussion from 2008: 
> https://forums.adobe.com/message/1279946#1279946 [3], and this helpful answer 
> from Russ Ward in 2010: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/577820?tstart=0 [4], 
> but I don't see the solution that I'm looking for. My manager (a software 
> development guy) would like to create an XML file that I can import into 
> FrameMaker that doesn't specify the width of each column. He's taking output 
> from Jira, and people can create tables in the Description field there, but 
> he has no way of knowing how wide the columns are. He figures that if HTML 
> can automatically size the columns to suit the contents, surely FrameMaker 
> can do this too (I'm not so sure). 
> 
> I've tried it myself, and the column widths in the table template apply when 
> you don't specify widths in XML. If you have more columns than are in your 
> template, it seems to use the width of the last templated column. And the 
> tables might contain graphics as well as text. 
> 
> Anyone have any better ideas? 
> 
> I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. I think my manager is using Perl or 
> some other scripting language. Jira outputs HTML as well as some other text 
> format. 
> 
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Re: importing graphics in xml file

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Fred, 

there is a dpi option. 

Example: 

dpi="300" 

(height and width are used to specify the frame that contains the
graphics in FM.) 

The structured application developers guide says: 

"dpi corresponds to the dpi property and indicates how to scale an
imported graphic object. The software ignores this attribute if it finds
a value for the impsize attribute. It produces only one of the
attributes--dpi or impsize. The value of the dpi attribute is a number.
If not supplied, the value is 72." 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Fred Wersan: 

> Looks like it imports it at 72 dpi. I want 150 dpi for some graphics, higher 
> for others.
> 
> Fred
> On 2/19/2015 1:55 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> 
>> Hi Fred, What happens if you don't include the width and height attributes? 
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>> -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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>> Subject: importing graphics in xml file I am importing xml files into 
>> structured framemaker 8 and these files reference graphics using the 
>> following syntax: > yoffset = "0.0in" position = "runin" align = "aright" cropped = "0" float = 
>> "0" width = "3.25in" height = "3.1in" angle = "0.000" bloffset = "0.000in" 
>> nsoffset = "0.000in"/> I think I got this syntax by exporting a file and 
>> seeing what framemaker created. I am using an automated process to create 
>> the xml files that assumes all the refer
 enced
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Re: Deactivate not available for for Framemaker 10

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Hi Tammy, 

it may be necessary to work with admin rights to have the "Deactivate"
button available, or maybe it will only work if the computer is
connected with the internet. 

If this did not help: Maybe you could just try to install FM 10 on the
second laptop and see if the program would run with your license... 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Tammy Van Boening: 

> HI All, 
> 
> I have two Win 7, 64 bit machines (one desktop and one laptop) both with 
> Framemaker 10 installed, all patched and current. I need to deactivate the 
> instance of FM 10 on the laptop so that I can install and activate it on a 
> second laptop. When I open the instance of FM 10 on the desktop, the 
> Deactivate option is available from the Help menu. Great, but I do not want 
> to deactivate this instance. When I open the instance of FM 10 on the laptop, 
> the Deactivate option is grayed-out and no matter what I do, I cannot get to 
> become enabled. I have closed and reopened FM multiple times, I have opened 
> and closed existing FM documents, I have created and saved new FM documents, 
> but no joy. 
> 
> I can't deactivate the FM instance on my desktop . . .it has to be the one on 
> the laptop. 
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions? 
> 
> TIA, 
> 
> TVB 
> 
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> 
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Re: Adobe SourceSans Han // Google NotoSansCJK font -- FM does not print to PDF -- Bug?

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Hello dear Hiro, 

thank you for testing this... 

The strange thing on my computer (german Win 7) is that some characters
are visible. 
I took only these and copied them until a whole page was filled -- this
printed fine in the PDF. Other characters would still disappear.
Klicking on "RGB" did not change this. 

I read that some Windows security patches from Microsoft sometimes have
influences on the font display.
The last patch with this side effect was KB2982791 dating from August
'14. 

Maybe it is not only related to FrameMaker (I tested it in version 8 and
12), but also to Windows. I do not know why it works well in Indesign,
though.
Maybe the OTF-compatibility of FrameMaker is not well enough for a font
with 2^16=65535 characters. 

So, I will see if FM 13 can do better. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

OISHIHIROFUMI: 

> Dear Heiko, 
> 
> Hello. I've tried creating a PDF with Adobe SourceSans Han font (Chinese 
> Simplified) on the following set: 
> 
> FrameMaker: Ver. 12 (Japanese Ver.) 
> OS: Windows 7 Pro (Japanese Ver.) 
> Joboption: Press Quality 
> How to create PDF: Save as PDF... 
> Used font: SourceHanSansCN-Bold, SourceHanSansCN-Medium, 
> SourceHanSansCN-Regular 
> 
> The result is as follows: 
> When I have selected "CMYK" on the Save as PDF dialog -> Failed 
> 
> When I have selected "RGB" on the Save as PDF dialog -> Successed 
> 
> The problem should be same as the CMYK/RGB problem (often reported on the 
> list), I think... 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> Hiro. Oishi 
> sima...@mac.com 
> 
> 2015年2月12日 19:10、Heiko Haida さんのメッセージ：
> 
>> Hi Framers, hi Adobe experts, 
>> 
>> I read about the Adobe / Google project of inventing a type with a complete 
>> Unicode basic plane 0 (--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Han_Sans). 
>> 
>> So I found a website where I downloaded the Adobe versions (which is "Source 
>> Sans Han"; in the sc version), and also from Google I got the "NotoSansCJK" 
>> fonts (which are said to contain the same glyphs). 
>> 
>> When I use the standard chinese (sc) versions of these fonts in FrameMaker 
>> 12 (and FM 8, on Win7), on screen everything looks fine, but the resulting 
>> PDF is -->empty!
>> ("Empty" means that there is no font information on the page at all, nothing 
>> is reported missing, only some characters from other fonts will show up, the 
>> rest is absolutely blank.)
>> I tried rebuilding the Windows font cache, but without change in the output. 
>> 
>> --> The same text in Indesign will print fine with these fonts as PDF. 
>> 
>> So whats the problem here? Why can't FrameMaker do this...?
>> Is the font too "big"? 
>> 
>> I know that Opentype features are not available in FM (yet). But until now, 
>> I always thought that that there would be no problems with using normal CJK 
>> fonts.
>> Of course I remember the "font cache problem" of the old days of Windows XP 
>> which caused an ongoing dementia concerning the characters (which could 
>> fortunately be cured with a patch from Microsoft). 
>> 
>> As this font project was developed by Adobe, I guess some of you Adobe folks 
>> might come up with an answer (or solution?) for this. 
>> 
>> Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin
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Adobe SourceSans Han // Google NotoSansCJK font -- FM does not print to PDF -- Bug?

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Framers, hi Adobe experts, 

I read about the Adobe / Google project of inventing a type with a
complete Unicode basic plane 0 (-->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source_Han_Sans). 

So I found a website where I downloaded the Adobe versions (which is
"Source Sans Han"; in the sc version), and also from Google I got the
"NotoSansCJK" fonts (which are said to contain the same glyphs). 

When I use the standard chinese (sc) versions of these fonts in
FrameMaker 12 (and FM 8, on Win7), on screen everything looks fine, but
the resulting PDF is -->empty!
("Empty" means that there is no font information on the page at all,
nothing is reported missing, only some characters from other fonts will
show up, the rest is absolutely blank.)
I tried rebuilding the Windows font cache, but without change in the
output. 

--> The same text in Indesign will print fine with these fonts as PDF. 

So whats the problem here? Why can't FrameMaker do this...?
Is the font too "big"? 

I know that Opentype features are not available in FM (yet). But until
now, I always thought that that there would be no problems with using
normal CJK fonts.
Of course I remember the "font cache problem" of the old days of Windows
XP which caused an ongoing dementia concerning the characters (which
could fortunately be cured with a patch from Microsoft). 

As this font project was developed by Adobe, I guess some of you Adobe
folks might come up with an answer (or solution?) for this. 

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RE: Acrobat X: Manually sending a Shared Review

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Fred, 

I was also thinking of the fact that Acrobat will use a PDF file with
some modifications, like the comment function readied for Adobe Reader,
not the original file.
(This is a useful service and you would have to keep this in mind if
your doing it without Acrobat.) 

But you are right, of course it is possible to share the file and start
a review-cycle the old-fashioned way, only -- probably -- this will not
be so "effortless".
To me, the server-based workflow seems to be better suited for a quick
and efficient review than the email-based workflow. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Fred Ridder: 

> I don't think that's entirely true, Tino.
> You can still do a email-based PDF review with an unsupported mail system, 
> but it's not automatic and it probably won't be integrated back to the 
> FrameMaker source (I don't know about this last because I've never tried it).
> The process involves exporting the comments from the PDF that each reviewer 
> sends and then importing those comments into the master review PDF. Look in 
> the Options menu for the Comments List section of the Comments tool palette 
> (or whatevertheheck Adobe calls it...) for the "Export All as Data File" and 
> "Import Data File" commands.
> Not ideal, but it works, particularly if you keep the master file up to date 
> and in a shared location, and all the reviewers are good about grabbing the 
> latest copy of the master file before starting to add their own comments.
> 
> -Fred Ridder
> 
> -
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:50:17 +0100
> From: i...@heiko-haida.de
> To: ljsims...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Acrobat X: Manually sending a Shared Review
> 
> Hi Lin,
> if Acrobat does not recognize the email client (like when a web-based email 
> is used), you cannot send the file specially prepared for the review, which 
> means that you cannot use the email review process at all (as far as I 
> understand it). 
> You would not be able to store your PDF file in the specific format that is 
> necessary for the workflow; e.g. to collect all comments in one final version 
> at the end of one review cycle, Acrobat has to recognize the files as 
> "original" or "commented" versions of one review process. (...I guess.)
> There are two other options for a workflow which is not email-based but 
> server-based:
> 1) A server-path is available for all reviewers (could be WebDAV)
> 2) acrobat.com could be used as a "server" (Adobe ID required for setup)
> In both cases the reviewers would either work with the server copy, or work 
> with local copies, where each comment is automatically transfered to the 
> server copy. This way, all comments are visible immediately for all reviewers 
> and can also be answered, which can be very useful (connection to 
> server-path/internet must be available to "publish" the comments). This way, 
> the comments do not have to be re-imported into the original version from all 
> the different commented files.
> Best regards - Tino H. Haida. Berlin
> 
> Lin Sims:
> 
>> Acrobat X doesn't support using a web-based email for sending Shared Review 
>> invitations. It does let you manually send invitations, but I've not been 
>> able to find actual instructions for how to do that. The situation is 
>> complicated by the fact that I am using WebDAV and a cloud storage service 
>> for collecting the review comments.
>> 
>> I'm assuming that what you do is attach the review file to an email and send 
>> it on with whatever information is required, but you know what they say 
>> about assumptions. I'm also wondering what, if anything, will happen if a 
>> reviewer tried to open the folder Acrobat creates for storing comments on 
>> the cloud server.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
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Re: Acrobat X: Manually sending a Shared Review

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Lin, 

if Acrobat does not recognize the email client (like when a web-based
email is used), you cannot send the file specially prepared for the
review, which means that you cannot use the email review process at all
(as far as I understand it). 
You would not be able to store your PDF file in the specific format that
is necessary for the workflow; e.g. to collect all comments in one final
version at the end of one review cycle, Acrobat has to recognize the
files as "original" or "commented" versions of one review process. (...I
guess.) 

There are two other options for a workflow which is not email-based but
server-based: 

1) A server-path is available for all reviewers (could be WebDAV) 

2) acrobat.com could be used as a "server" (Adobe ID required for setup)


In both cases the reviewers would either work with the server copy, or
work with local copies, where each comment is automatically transfered
to the server copy. This way, all comments are visible immediately for
all reviewers and can also be answered, which can be very useful
(connection to server-path/internet must be available to "publish" the
comments). This way, the comments do not have to be re-imported into the
original version from all the different commented files. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida. Berlin 

Lin Sims: 

> Acrobat X doesn't support using a web-based email for sending Shared Review 
> invitations. It does let you manually send invitations, but I've not been 
> able to find actual instructions for how to do that. The situation is 
> complicated by the fact that I am using WebDAV and a cloud storage service 
> for collecting the review comments.
> 
> I'm assuming that what you do is attach the review file to an email and send 
> it on with whatever information is required, but you know what they say about 
> assumptions. I'm also wondering what, if anything, will happen if a reviewer 
> tried to open the folder Acrobat creates for storing comments on the cloud 
> server.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Lin Sims

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Re: Supporting Thai

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hello Wei Jiang, 

it seems that word boundaries have to be set manually. 
You will definitively need people who know both the language and
FrameMaker as typesetting tool. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Wei JIANG [PT-CN]: 

> It seems that Thai text does not has explicit word boundaries, such as 
> blanks, so that FrameMaker may wrap lines in a wrong way. I was just 
> wondering if there is any way to ensure proper word breaking.
> 
> On 2015/1/21 12:15, Heiko Haida wrote: 
> 
> I know some folks who are publishing Thai with FrameMaker. 
> 
> But I do not know how they are doing it. I could try to ask them...
> What is the specific problem with segmentation? 
> 
> Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 
> 
> Wei JIANG [PT-CN]: 
> 
> Hello Framers,
> 
> I have quick question - Does FrameMaker support Thai? Particularly, word 
> segmentation?
> 
> Thanks,
> Wei

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Re: Supporting Thai

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I know some folks who are publishing Thai with FrameMaker. 

But I do not know how they are doing it. I could try to ask them...
What is the specific problem with segmentation? 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

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> Hello Framers,
> 
> I have quick question - Does FrameMaker support Thai? Particularly, word 
> segmentation?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: Long change bars are created when a table is in between 2

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Hi Ed, 

I checked with FM 8 and FM 12: 

If the character format is applied only to a single character in each
paragraph, the change bars combine to a long line, "including" also the
tables. 

I do not see any kind of workaround in your suggestion, the bug here is
exactly what Simon was telling us. 

I haven't got FM 9 here right now, so I cannot say if the behaviour is
different. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida 

De Rosier, Edward: 

> Hi Simon, 
> 
> You could also use the Character Designer to apply change bars so that the 
> table marker will not be included. 
> 
> You can use a mouse in the Character Designer dialog box, or use the 
> keyboard. 
> 
> The key sequence for those change bars is Format > Style > Change Bar, which 
> can by keyed on a Windows PC by: 
> 
> [Alt][o] [y] [c] 
> 
> This does not mean the behavior was not a bug, but it is a relatively easy 
> workaround. 
> 
> As an aside, I sometimes want to have a change bar that includes an 
> intermediate table. FM 9 does not do this the way your version behaves. If I 
> highlight a long sequence of paragraphs, and use the Paragraph Designer to 
> apply a change bar, the tables are skipped. If I use the Character Designer 
> to apply the change bar, then the tables are included. 
> 
> Best Wishes, 
> 
> Ed DeRosier 
> 
> Technical Writer 
> 
> Anritsu Company 
> 
> Morgan Hill, California
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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Harro, 

this is a bug and I think it has been discussed here already. 

The link information will be truncated in the mif (not in the FM file
itself) to the max possilble no. of folders available in the folder
hierarchy at the level where the mif file is actually stored to (not
where the FM file is stored) ! 

In your case, you need 2 more hierarchical folder levels. 

Hi Winfried, 

yes, FrameMaker searches for missing graphics in the last successfully
opened graphics folder (of the actual session at least). So, if you have
just opened a first file, all missing graphics for the second file will
be replaced with graphics for the first file if they have the same
names, without checking if they are identical. 

This can be very annoying and therefore I recommend to use unique IDs
for graphics (including version/revision) instead of or in addition to
simple names. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Reng, Dr. Winfried: 

> Hi, 
> 
> I think this is a bug! 
> 
> Steps: 
> 
> Copy a file with a referenced graphics into another folder. The graphics path 
> might be .graphicstest.eps 
> 
> Open the first file. 
> 
> Then open the copied file. It will show the referenced graphics although it 
> should complaint that the graphics file could not be found in .graphics. 
> 
> Obviously FrameMaker calculates for the copied file the graphics path to the 
> graphics file the first file. 
> 
> Best regards 
> 
> Winfried 
> 
> FROM: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
> [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] 
> SENT: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM
> TO: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths 
> 
> Winfried Reng said: 
> 
>> However, I do not know how FrameMaker gets the path 
> 
>> to the orginal graphics files. 
> 
>> Does this happen only, if another file is open which points to 
> 
>> the graphics files of the copied file? 
> 
>> Otherwise I wonder how FrameMaker can find out where the 
> 
>> graphics files are located. 
> 
> That part of detecting the absolute file location is easy. After a program 
> accessing a file (through all the relative references), determining the 
> absolute location of a file is trivial in code. 
> 
> The truncation mentioned by Harro is troublesome though. 
> 
> Also, there is a path length limit in Windows - I thought it was 256 
> characters, but may be 64 characters? And this does not explain the network 
> file name issue mentioned … 
> 
> I'll look … 
> 
> Z 
> 
> FROM: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] ON BEHALF OF Harro de Jong
> SENT: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:35 AM
> TO: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths 
> 
> hi all, 
> 
> I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for 
> translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they 
> complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed. 
> 
> They were using relative paths that had lots of 'parent' references: 
> 
> Graphicsetc 
> 
> When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep: 
> 
> F:Customerprojecttranslationincomingblah.fm 
> 
> When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I 
> selected 'Ignore all missing files' and saved the file as MIF. 
> 
> When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to 
> 
> Graphicsetc 
> 
> So the path gets truncated to the number of levels available from the current 
> location. 
> 
> When I store the file on an UNC path, it gets worse: 
> 
> \ServerCustomerprojecttranslationincomingblah.fm [1] 
> 
> graphics paths: 
> 
> \Graphicsetc [2] 
> 
> In my opinion, this is a bug. When I select 'Ignore all missing files', Frame 
> should leave the existing paths alone. 
> 
> Has anyone else seen the same behavior? 
> 
> Harro de Jong
 

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Re: Customizing anchored frames in FM12 (unstructured)

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Tom, 

I do not know any way to change the underlining parameters. 
I am not sure, but I guess this may not even be accessible via scripting
as there are no plugins available for this purpose. 

How about using the new "background color" feature or the "para box"
feature instead of underlining? This may look well with a 10% black e.g.
Or you could use a "frame below pgf", but the resulting line would
always have a fixed length (like with footnotes). 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com: 

> I am trying to make some design changes to our machine manuals. Currently, 
> all graphics are in anchored frames that are placed within a special table. 
> They look great in print, but tables don't scale well if you plan to also 
> publish for use on a tablet. 
> 
> I have 2 problems. 
> 
> 1) I would like to have a thin border around all graphic frames, but can't 
> find anything within the FM help menus that tells me how to do this. 
> 
> 2) I want to have the figure capture underlined; however, when I choose 
> "underline" in the paragraph designer (not numeric), the line is too close to 
> the descenders in words containing g, y, p, etc. Is there a way to adjust the 
> position of the underline so that it is just below a character's descender? 
> 
> Tom Beiswenger
> Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
> Business
> Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
> 1140 Sullivan St.
> Elmira, NY 14901
> PH: +607 735-4279
> FX: +607 734-8278
> Mobile: +607 769-4779
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Re: Save as PDF not working for particular directory

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Klaus, 

my FM12 is not available at the moment, and also I only have here the
latest Acro 10. 

After short testing, what I can say is: 

FM 9 + Acro 10.1.13 --> OK, PDF output is fine 

FM 8 + Acro 10.1.13 --> NOT OK, produces only the "empty job" log file. 

So, it may be an Acrobat problem, but it may also be a problem with
FrameMaker (or the combination of both programs?). 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Am 2014-12-22 14:18, schrieb Klaus Daube: 

> This morning I discovered the following:
> Acrobat 11 does not allow to have directory names containing a comma. This 
> was not a 
> problem with Acrobat 9.5.xx
> Situation:
> Using FM-12.0.3.424 to save as PDF works well except for files in a 
> praticular 
> directory: D:PrivateHaus+hofEntsorg,ERZEntsorgung_2015.fm creates an empty 
> TPS 
> which creates the Distiller Message [ Warning: Empty job. No PDF file 
> produced.].
> 
> I was fiddling around, e.g. save as MIF, then open the MIF and Save as PDF 
> from the 
> MIF (no effect); multiple times restarted FM and even W7-x64 (no effect); 
> saving the 
> PDF to another directory (worked).
> Then suddenly had the idea with the directory name. After changing the 
> directory name 
> to Entsorgung+ERZ (no comma, but +) everything is fine again...
> 
> IMHO this is a bug, as on windows a comma is allowed in directory names.
> ~~
> Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich
> Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
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Conditions not displayed correctly -- structured FM, comparison XML file

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Framers, 

I am using a tool to compare XML files that writes a comparison file
with simple change marks (start and end for "added" / "deleted").
With XSLT, I transform the markers to regular condition markers which
can be read by FrameMaker and which will cause the text to be shown in
green color/underline or red color/strikethrough. 

Now, in the case that one sentence not only contains this constellation
one single time: 
--> "deleted-end" marker is immediately followed by an "added-start"
marker 

but two or more times, something strange happens. 

The first occurence is ok (maybe also the second). 
In the second (or third) and all other occurences with this
constallation, the red color/strikethrough will continue further into
the "added" part until the "added" text ends, which gives a mixed color,
a kind of olive-green, instead of the pure green; also underlining and
strikethrough are both present. 

If I edit the XML comparison file before opening in FM and put a space
between the "deleted-end" marker and the following "added-start" marker
in the second occurence, here the color will display correctly, and
furthermore also in the other occurences (where nothing has been
changed). 

I am not sure if this happens exactly this way all the time... 

Is this a known bug? I checked with FM 8 and FM 12, both are wrong (at
least, some times).
And what can I do here besides inserting spaces between the markers? Any
ideas? 

Thank you - Tino Haida 

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Re: Fm book with .xml files

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Wim, 

when I save a book file as XML, all chapters are included as entities
(external references). 

Of course this is not a single file, but still it works. 

What is your problem with it? 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp: 

> Hi, 
> 
> for a project we use a FM book with .xml files (not DITA, it's customized 
> Docbook). The book file has valid XML structure (book, chapters etc). 
> 
> If I save the book to XML the referenced .xml files are omitted from the 
> resulting XML. 
> 
> Any advice how to get a XML from the book file with all referenced .xml files 
> in it?
> 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
> 
> Wim Hooghwinkel
> 
> Information Energy [1], June 3 2015 
> Closing the loop with FontoXML [2] 
> DITA content management with DITAToo [3]
> 
> tel. +31652036811
> Skype wimhooghwinkel
> Twitter @idtp @ien2013
> i...@idtp.eu 
> www.idtp.eu [4]
 

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Re: Adobe Illustrator Dimensioning Tool

[Heiko Haida]

 

simple Workaround: 

If you work with PDF in Illustrator, you can use the Adobe Acrobat
measurement tool, which seems to be quite accurate.
(Of course adjustments require switching from Acrobat to Illustrator
back and forth...) 

Best regards - T.Haida 

 Denis Daly: 

> Hi, 
> 
> Hopefully, it is ok to ask this question here. 
> 
> Does anyone know if AI has a dimensioning tool, please? 
> 
> I have used Corel Draw in the past and it had a very easy to use tool, to 
> enable dimensioning of objects (width, height, etc ). 
> 
> A quick online search revealed that a plugin is required. Is this so? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Denis
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Re: Docbook bookfile

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Wim, 

the new FM 12 XML Author tool would create book files, but only xml
files for chapters inside etc. 

So your authors could work with this tool. It looks like this is want
you want (any DTD would work). 
Publishing would be done afterwards with a regular FM (not necessarily
FM 12). 

best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp: 

> I'll redefine my question: 
> for a specific use case I'm investigating the option of using a docbook book 
> file to let my client edit and maintain their docbook-based xml files in a 
> book-like setting. Analog to the ditamap. 
> Now when I open a docbook book file in FM, FM converts it directly to a FM 
> book. All XML files are converted to fm files. That's not what I want. 
> I want the author to be able to open the docbook book file as XML, be able to 
> edit the individual linked XML files and eventually save the complete book as 
> FM book for publishing. 
> 
> So my question to current docbook FM users: has one of you found a solution 
> for this, maybe a script or a way of working that resembles the topic based 
> approach of DITA maps? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
> 
> Wim Hooghwinkel
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Re: Table running over into footers and beyond

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Pam, 

there is a row min and max height value. I think the heighest possible
max value for row height is 14" (set by default to new table rows). 

a) If the page height is less than the row height, the row will extend
further down with the added content, even outside the page (where it is
not visible but would print). 
b) If the row max height is set to a value that will fit into the text
frame, but the content would require more space vertically than this
limit allows, the rest of the content will not be shown (and would not
print). 

I do not think that this behaviour is different for portrait or
landscape format pages.
If the content for a single table row is getting larger than the text
frame size on the page, this will always be problematic. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

 Pam Harper: 

> When I add spaces or anchored frames below one another in a table that is on 
> a landscape page, the table extends itself without regard to the text frame 
> into the footer and beyond. It doesn't do this with the same type of table on 
> a portrait page. This has done this in Frame 10 and 12, which I now use. 
> 
> The key seems to be that the table is on a landscape page, which I created as 
> a custom master page with a regular text frame as a template for body page 
> text frame. The Flow Tag is A--same as the rest of the master pages. Nothing 
> is rotated. I only run into this table behavior on a landscape page. If I add 
> extra pictures or text in a table cell on a portrait page, it always breaks 
> cleanly or at least where I can logically break it. Any ideas? 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Pam Harper
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Re: FM9 Crashes when Creating PDFs with files that Contain PDFs (WAS: Frame 9 Crashing – Can’t Create PDFs)

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Alison, 

I also had problems to print some single pages to PDF in a larger DIN A3
format: The content was displayed partially, the page was not completely
shown (without error message). 
First I thought the graphic files were corrupt, as taking out the
graphics would at least produce a PDF. 

Then I found that the distiller profile was set to 2400 dpi, and after
reducing this to 1200 dpi everything was fine.
I don't like it, but it seems FM has some internal memory problems here.


Maybe this also applies to your problem. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Craig, Alison: 

> FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 
> 
> Unstructured 
> 
> OS: Windows 7, 64 bit 
> 
> Okay, after repairing, then reinstalling Frame 9 and Acrobat (which I 
> actually updated to CC Acrobat XI) I was still getting constant crashes when 
> trying to create PDFs using either method. 
> 
> I had previously tried removing a few graphics (all imported by reverence), 
> but that didn't help. This time I went all out and removed every PDF and PNG. 
> (Note that I didn't remove any EPS files. I was hoping that wouldn't be 
> necessary as I have so many EPS icons). 
> 
> Voila! _PRINT BOOK…_, then distilling to PDF worked just fine. 
> 
> I retested the files, leaving in the PNGs and it continued to work. 
> 
> I opened several Visio files, resaved them to PDF then re-imported a few by 
> reference. _PRINT BOOK…_ crashed with these "new" PDFs, even if only a single 
> PDF was in the file. The page count would stop at precisely the page 
> containing the PDF. 
> 
> I have dozens and dozens of PDFs in my books. If resaving the Visio files to 
> a "new" PDF didn't fix the problem, does anyone have any suggestions? 
> 
> What could have gone wrong with the PDFs, many of which have existed for 
> months or, in some cases, years? 
> 
> Alison 
> 
> ALISON CRAIG | TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION LEAD 
> 
> Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC V6V 2K9 | 
> analogicultrasound.com [1] 
> 
> T 604-279-8550 EXT 127 | F 604-279-8559 
> 
> -
> 
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> 
> [2] 
> 
> [3] 
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Re: How do Document properties in PDF get populated?

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Linda, 

as far as I remember, this behaviour is set in the PDF distiller
profile. In the advanced options you may try to activate / deactivate
DSC comments. 

Another way of defining document properties is via pdfmark. This can be
defined in each document or only in one document for the whole book. 

"pdfmark" text is added in separate text frames set up as postscript
text (invisible text), either on a normal page or on a master page that
is applied. 

pls see: 

-->
http://books.google.de/books?id=b-yEKgcQmN8C&pg=PA564&lpg=PA564&dq=pdfmark+framemaker&source=bl&ots=Wkaf_yRBhm&sig=ZuN7SOEK3iyqEjXBKdwqvAEzGok&hl=de&sa=X&ei=y5hKVMz8A4S4OtnFgNgF&ved=0CGMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=pdfmark%20framemaker&f=false


-->
http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/pdfmark_reference.pdf


Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Linda Rose: 

> Hi, 
> 
> I have some pdf files made from Framemaker 11 that show the FM book filename 
> in the Document Properties window of the PDF (File > Properties). I also have 
> some pdf files made from Framemaker 11 that show a blank field in the 
> Document Properties window of the PDF. I can't figure out why some pdf files 
> display the FM book filename and others don't. I've checked the File > Info 
> box in the FM source files for both books and it is blank. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Linda
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Re: FrameMaker: mysterious font substitution in PDF

[Heiko Haida]

 

When mysterious problems with fonts occur, it can also be considered to
delete the Windows Font Cache file, so that all font informations are
(correctly) rebuilt with the next system start. 

==> http://www.ehow.com/how_7197467_rebuild-font-cache.html 

It is very strange that the FM display is changing, even if the main
font has no embedding option. I have never seen this before.
But in fact, some very old postscript fonts that worked well in Win XP
might fail in Win 7. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Alan Houser: 

> Colleagues,
> 
> A client is seeing the following problem:
> 
> - FrameMaker 12, fully patched, Windows 7, full Acrobat.
> 
> - Document uses Helvetica font. Font pane shows all document fonts are 
> available and in use (i.e., FrameMaker is not substituting any fonts).
> 
> - File>Save as PDF -- FrameMaker document reflows on-screen, with 
> Helvetica replaced by Times New Roman. Generated PDF uses Times New 
> Roman instead of Helvetica. (FrameMaker screen display refreshes and 
> reverts back to Helvetica).
> 
> I'm baffled. I have yet to investigate:
> - Missing "legal to embed" flag in client's Helvetica font?
> - Corrupted Acrobat Distiller settings?
> 
> I would be grateful for any other ideas.
> 
> -Alan
> 
> -- 
> Alan Houser
> Group Wellesley, Inc.
> Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing
> arh on Twitter
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RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Jacob, 

my point here is:
The CMYK option in FM is not something like a fancy gadget (that is how
I understood what Craig said earlier), but essential for a correct
colour representation in certain constellations. 

Here is an example, I enclose a screenshot: 2 rectangular objects are
visible, with colours defined as CMYK = 100/70/0/0 and 100/0/20/20. 

To the left, that is the (correct) representation in Illustrator. To the
right, thats what it looks like in FrameMaker (obviously not "correct").
In the middle that is the PDF output with the CMYK option not activated
(which is the standard - and only possible - behaviour of all older FM
version up to FM 10). 

With the CMYK option activated on the other hand, the PDF output would
in fact look exactly like in Illustrator.
And if this PDF is converted afterwards to RGB via Acrobat preflight,
the colours would still be perfect on screen. 

If you know a better or easier way or working settings for FM or
Acrobat, please tell me. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Jacob Schäffer: 

> It's definitely NOT easy to explain this. Color conversions are COMPLEX. 
> Anyway, RGB -> CMYK conversion is lossy, and CMYK -> RGB is also lossy. 
> 
> What is the point of the RGB switch afterall? Why not just pass through 
> what's input and remove this switch? 
> 
> Best regards / Med venlig hilsen 
> 
> Jacob Schäffer | Chief Developer 
> 
> -
> 
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> 
> Mobile: +45 2021 1958
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> Web: http://design.grafikhuset.dk [1] 
> 
> FROM: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] ON BEHALF OF Heiko Haida
> SENT: 20. oktober 2014 16:22
> TO: Craig Ede
> CC: framers
> SUBJECT: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query 
> 
> Well, Craig, 
> 
> thats easy to explain: 
> When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will not change its screen 
> representation if I switch from CMYK definition to RGB definition. That is 
> not a miracle or a question of "who knows" (these programs use HSB 
> definitions, and obviously the conversion works very well).
> With FrameMaker, on the other hand, a CMYK colour will not look "right" 
> neither on screen nor in the resulting PDF. 
> And only with the CMYK print option activated that has been implemented 
> successfully with FM 10, this colour information will be transfered to the 
> PDF correctly. 
> 
> Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 
> 
> Craig Ede: 
> 
>> Given the theoretical differences I'm not sure why you would expect RGB 
>> output of CMYK colors to be close to what CMYK color should looks like. 
>> 
>> Think of it this way, if you choose a Pantone color as a spot color, you'd 
>> expect it to print exactly like as that Pantone color to paper. But to the 
>> screen, who knows? It's be "close" but depends on the color correctness of 
>> the particular monitor.
>> 
>> Craig
 

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RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

[Heiko Haida]

 

Well, Craig, 

thats easy to explain: 
When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will not change its screen
representation if I switch from CMYK definition to RGB definition. That
is not a miracle or a question of "who knows" (these programs use HSB
definitions, and obviously the conversion works very well).
With FrameMaker, on the other hand, a CMYK colour will not look "right"
neither on screen nor in the resulting PDF. 
And only with the CMYK print option activated that has been implemented
successfully with FM 10, this colour information will be transfered to
the PDF correctly. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Craig Ede: 

> Given the theoretical differences I'm not sure why you would expect RGB 
> output of CMYK colors to be close to what CMYK color should looks like. 
> 
> Think of it this way, if you choose a Pantone color as a spot color, you'd 
> expect it to print exactly like as that Pantone color to paper. But to the 
> screen, who knows? It's be "close" but depends on the color correctness of 
> the particular monitor.
> 
> Craig
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Re: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Craig, 

whatever the theoretical and technical differences of RGB and CMYK
colours are: 

The FrameMaker RGB output of CMYK-colours is not even close to how the
CMYK output looks like. I am (still) using FM 10, btw. 

Therefore I always produce CMYK pdfs first and use Acrobat preflighting
to get correct RGB pdfs (even if these pdfs are only for the screen).
The other way round would not work at all: 
The "interpretation" of colours in the RGB output by FrameMaker is quite
strange (a colleague who only uses Indesign called these colours
"tawdry"). 

I am very glad that FM 10 (unlike FM 12) still seems to work with my
CMYK graphic files and CMYK colours.
I hope that as part of the Adobe products family, FrameMaker will soon
be able to handle colours like Indesign does, with colour profiles and
direct (error-free) PDF-X3/PDF-X4 compatible output. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Craig Ede: 

> Do you need the CMYK option checked? (In other words, are you sending your
> PDF out to a service bureau using a high-quality printer so it can be
> printed and bound? That's usually why people are checking the CMYK option.)
> 
> From some of the discussion here, I get the idea that people think CMYK is
> just something you pick on a whim. And in response to an earlier comment
> that CMYK affects color vividness in the PDF, that happens because CMYK is
> limited to producing colors by mixing printing inks (a subtractive process
> that is quite different from the additive mixing of pixels on the screen,
> i.e. RGB). 
> 
> Additive mixing produces white by its max values (256,256,256). Mixing C, M,
> and Y inks at max values produces black (albeit not a lovely black, which is
> why the K is there).
> 
> If your PDF is only going to the screen or a cheap printer (with minimal
> control of the color space desired), then RGB is fine and choosing CMYK is
> really not a smart idea since it takes much longer to distill and would have
> little or no benefit.
> 
> Craig
> P.S. Forgive any simplifications in the above. CMYK printing is a rather
> complex issue.
> P.P.S. The color space that can be produced by Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and K
> (black) printing inks on paper is much more restricted than the color space
> produced by RGB pixels on a computer screen. If you've ever mixed watercolor
> paint you know that you can't mix colors with pigment that result in colors
> that are lighter or more vivid than the colors you start with. Any mixing
> reduces both the value (lightness/darkness) as well as the vividness
> (saturation) of the color. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:32 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: RE: PDF query
> 
> Same here with "Save as PDF", except that with FM 12, it seems that I also
> need to select the "RGB" checkbox option to make it work correctly. The
> "CMYK" option does _not_ work properly.
> 
> I will see if I can find the test documents I sent to Adobe and post them
> here later ...
> 
> Z
> 
> Robert Lauriston said:
> 
>> At least from FM6 on, I had zero problems with Save as PDF so long as
> 
> Distiller / Adobe PDF was selected as the printer and I used the same file
> name as the .book I was saving.
> 
> Mike Wickham wrote:
> 
>> Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so
> 
> buggy that all experts recommended against using it.
> 
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Re: Latest Structured Application Guides - FM12

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hello Philomena, 

that is most welcome, thank you. 

One technical detail: The file description (document properties) still
shows FM9 in both cases: 

FrameMaker 9.0 Structure Application Developer's Guide
FrameMaker 9.0 Structure Application Developer Reference. 

Maybe this could be fixed to avoid misunderstandings. 

Best regards - Tino Haida, Berlin 

Philomena Dolla: 

> Hi, 
> 
> We've updated the structured application developer guides to include features 
> from FrameMaker 11 and 12. 
> 
> The guides are now available online: 
> 
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/StructuredDev/Structure_Dev_Reference.pdf
>  [1] 
> 
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/12.0/StructuredDev/Structure_Dev_Guide.pdf
>  [2] 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Philomena
 

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Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Theresa, 

although this will not help you at the moment: Structured authoring is
not like loading a new and maybe a little bit strange template from
somewhere and thats it. 

It is a completely different approach of thinking. 

There are tons of books about this and all of them say: Take your
time... First step: Define your structural needs. Them: Implement a
suitable DTD (or Schema) and adjust your tools and processes. 

The advice is to calculate at least one year for this, before the actual
work could start (you are already worried about a few days...). 

The main strength of structured writing is the reliability and the
flexibility (if everything is well done) - of course we are talking of
hundreds and thousands of documents. 

The main problem is: There are cases when the structure is either too
narrow or too loose, and most authors do not know how to adjust the DTD
but would sort of bend the material or misuse structural elements, thus
weakening the aforementioned strength. 

So, I definitely agree with Rick: You should start thinking about your
own DTD first and then compare this with DITA or any other made-up DTD. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida 

Theresa de Valence: 

> On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:
> 
>> XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the 
>> implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you 
>> trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA support 
>> in the techcomm space, and 3) I like DITA better than DocBook :)
> 
> OK, conceptually, I understand the value of dividing each part of the 
> document into a single-purpose element and that DITA might be better 
> than the mishmash of DocBook. However, when I look at the DITA 
> applications in structapps.fm, I cannot tell which application is used 
> for plain ordinary text (i.e. what consitutes ). How does one use 
> DITA for:
> --Book
> Chapter
> --Section
> Body
> 
> Is this what the DITA map is?
> [And here I thought we were going to have geographical maps in the book 
> 8-) ]
> 
> Thanks,
> Theresa
> P.S. I have ordered XML AND FRAMEMAKER by Kay Ethier but it won't be 
> here for several days
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Re: File not appearing in Set Structured Application dropdown

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Angela, 

I am not sure if I understand what you are expecting. 

If there is a "department rule", those department guys should tell you
what to do exactly - it seems they know something. 

Ok, now, you say: "When I try to select my file from the Set Structured
Application dropdown...". 

Well, you do not select a file there. This option will apply the
settings of one of the structured applications (defined in the
"structapps.fm") to an open xml file, so that FrameMaker knows how to
handle this file, parse with which DTD, use which entities and so on. 

Maybe you can specify your problem more accurately. 

(Or: Maybe you should get a good introduction in working with structured
FrameMaker first.) 

Good luck - Tino Haida, Berlin 

angela.fos...@daimler.com: 

> Hi There, 
> 
> I'm a longtime Unstructured Frame user but am new to Structured. Per 
> department rules, I added a folder in the following location: 
> 
> Program FilesAdobeAdobeFrameMaker11xml 
> 
> When I try to select my file from the Set Structured Application dropdown, it 
> doesn't appear. The folder and files are in the xml folder though. I 
> restarted Frame and restarted my computer just to make sure. 
> 
> What am I missing? 
> 
> Thanks much for the help! 
> 
> Angela
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Re: Quoted speech

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Theresa, hi Lin, 

this problem is known for older versions of FrameMaker, where it was
necessary to replace these characters in MIF. 

FM 8 is the first version to understand Unicode and to distinguish these
characters well. 

But, apart from this technical matter, I am wondering about the choice
of the apostrophe for all quotes. 

AFAIK, the opening single character in English docs would be Alt+145,
the closing single character is Alt+146. You should not use one
character in both cases. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Lin Sims: 

> I'm surprised. Frame's usually so good about finding those weird things.
> 
> OK, this part I'm not sure will work, but according to the help.adobe.com [1] 
> website, you can search for Unicode characters using their UTF-8 hex code and 
> x.
> 
> So for your first character, in the Find box, type 'xCABB' (without the quote 
> characters. For your second character, type 'xCABC' (without the quote 
> characters. (I got the UTF-8 hex codes from 
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode [2]).
> 
> I don't have any files using those codes, so I can't test it. :( 
> 
> Let me know if it works so I can put it into my bag of tricks, too. 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
> 
> On 7/30/2014 11:58 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
> If it were me, I'd copy one of the Australian ones into the "Find" box,
> then copy the one you want it to be into the Replace box, then click
> Change All, making sure Book is selected. For me that doesn't quite work. 
> There's something in Frame which decides a curved apostrophe is the same as 
> an uncurved apostrophe.

-- 
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Re: Structured Framemaker

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Rebecca, 

you have to tell FrameMaker to work with a "structapps.fm" in a location
different than the program folder.
The necessary command is in the "maker.ini" -- which itself is also in
the FM folder, unfortunately. 

But you can overwrite this general "maker.ini" with commands in your own
"maker.ini"-file. FrameMaker uses a second file with your personal
settings which is placed here: 

C:Users*Your User-Name*AppDataRoamingAdobeFrameMaker11 

Put in your user name (or login name) and find the folder on your
harddrive. Probably the user section is on drive c: (it could be on any
other accessible drive). 

Now, in this maker.ini there should already be a section [Directories].
If not, copy this section header with the square brackets into the file,
just before another section starts. 

Add the following command:
StructureDir=*Your Directory* 

*Your Directory* can be anywhere on your harddrive where you have the
right to change files. 

First, you also have to put a copy of a "structapps.fm" file into this
directory, otherwise FM still refers to the default path. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Frasure, Rebecca - APHIS: 

> Windows 7, Framemaker 11 
> 
> I have no admin privileges on my computer. How can I make edits to the 
> structapps file? I know there is a workaround, but I don't remember what it 
> was. 
> 
> Thanks very much for anyone's help. 
> 
> Rebecca Frasure 
> 
> Editorial Assistant 
> 
> USDA-APHIS-PPQ-RPM-ISMU 
> 
> 92 Thomas Johnson Drive, Suite 200 
> 
> Frederick, MD 21702-4593 
> 
> phone: 240-529-0353 
> 
> fax: 240-529-0399 
> 
> rebecca.l.fras...@aphis.usda.gov
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RE: Removing custom row heights

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Craig, 

this kind of manipulation via MIF sounds like a very good idea. I did
not check, but I am pretty sure this would work. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida 

Craig Ede: 

> I wasn't suggesting a table by table approach, but a search and replace 
> approach of the kind Shmuel describes. Framemaker could do the search and 
> replace, but Notepad++ is a lot more efficient. 
> 
> Notepad++ seems to work using search and replace as follows (for all tables). 
> You could restrict it to the particular table setting you want removed if 
> you'd like. 
> 
> Use the regular expression option. 
> 
> Set Find to  
> 
> Set Replace to  
> 
> If you cut & paste a  line from the mif, you'll get the 
> right space and tick marks. 
> 
> Here's a JPG showing the options selected in Notepad++. Do a Find Next to 
> make sure you are getting what you want and then do a replace all. Retain a 
> copy of your original file. 
> 
> Note that you can do the replace on a whole series of open documents. 
> 
> Craig 
> 
> FROM: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] 
> SENT: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:42 AM
> TO: Craig Ede; Framers
> SUBJECT: Re: Removing custom row heights 
> 
> Yes, but this could take a long time if you have a lot of tables with a lot 
> of rows. 
> 
> However, if you do the search and replace using a text editor that supports 
> regular expressions (Notepad++, etc.) this could be a good solution. The 
> regular expression to search for would be "RowMinHeight [0-9]*.[0-9]*" 
> (without the quotes) and replace with RowMinHeight 0.
> 
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 
> Technical Writer
> 
> 052-763-7133
> 
> On 07-Jul-14 7:12 PM, Craig Ede wrote: 
> 
>> I set the row heights to zero, which I believe is the default. FrameMaker 
>> seems to take things over from there using the current paragraph tag to set 
>> the height to the minimum without obscuring text. 
>> 
>> If all your custom settings are the same (for example: "1.56789") you can do 
>> a simple search and replace in the mif. 
>> 
>> Replace: 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> with 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It looks to me like you could reset all tables by just removing the 
>>  line from the mif. That would require a more 
>> sophisticated find value that used wildcards (or regexp) 
>> 
>> Try this on a copy of a file and see if that works for you. 
>> 
>> Craig 
>> 
>> FROM: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
>> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] ON BEHALF OF Christenson, Pat
>> SENT: Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:36 PM
>> TO: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> SUBJECT: Removing custom row heights 
>> 
>> Almost all our tables have custom row heights - ugh! Does anyone know of a 
>> way to global reset the row heights to the defaults? I can't find anything 
>> in FrameMaker so I'm wondering if there's an add-on for it. 
>> 
>> FrameMaker 10, Windows 7 Professional 
>> 
>> Thanks! 
>> 
>> Pat Christenson 
>> 
>> Resource Coordinator 
>> 
>> Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications 
>> 
>> pchristen...@ftportfolios.com
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Re: Removing custom row heights

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi, 

the table row format options can only applied individually and are not
accessed via a format list (afaik). 

You could write a script (Framescript or ExtendScript) to change all
rows to specific values. 

(In ExtendScript, the objects are called "RowMaxHeight" and
"RowMinHeight".) 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida 

Mike Wickham: 

> I don't know if this is what the original poster meant, but Table> Format> 
> Row Format lets you set minimum and maximum row heights for tables.
> 
> Mike Wickham
> 
> On 7/6/2014 9:55 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: 
> 
>> What do you mean by custom row heights?
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RE: Reproducible FM12 file corruption?

[Heiko Haida]

 

BTW, repeating this "format - save - undo" operation will kind of toggle
the side heads on and off again, both on the body pages and the master
page. 

T.Haida 

Rick Quatro: 

> Confirmed here as well.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-366-4017
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:31 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Reproducible FM12 file corruption?
> 
> I've been seeing occasional wonkiness (yes, I know... it's a technical term)
> since upgrading from FM10 to TCS5 (FM12), but I think I have narrowed at
> least one of them down to the point where the behavior is reproducible on
> demand, but I'll be darned if I know what is triggering it.
> 
> Let's find out if it's just my installation/environment or if it affects
> others.
> 
> I'm running TCS5 under Windows 7, 64-bit Enterprise.
> 
> To try to eliminate character & paragraph format catalog issues and template
> anomalies, once I was able to reproduce the behavior, I tried doing the same
> in a generic FM file, and am also seeing the behavior there, so that's what
> I'm going to walk through. I've included screenshots of what I see along the
> way.
> 
> 1. Create a new file using the default "Portrait" blank paper.
> 
> http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-1.png [1]
> 
> 2. Copy in a few paragraphs of generic text (I use www.lipsum.com [2]).
> 
> http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-2.png [3]
> 
> 3. Save the file.
> 
> 4. Place your cursor in one of the paragraphs.
> 
> 5. In the Paragraph Designer, change the Spread to 1% and hit Enter to
> "Apply".
> 
> http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-3.png [4]
> 
> 6. Save the file.
> 
> 7. Press Ctrl+z to undo.
> 
> 8. WHAMMO! 
> 
> http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-4.png [5]
> 
> On my system, the margins change completely, as if room for side heads was
> added. In my main working file it also put footnotes in the middle of pages.
> 
> Also, it's not just any kind of change prior to a save and then undo that
> triggers the corruption. Simple text edits do not trigger it, however
> changes in the paragraph and character designers do. It's not just font
> attributes, but changing paragraph attributes and applying them, followed by
> a save and undo will also trigger the corruption. Changing the color of
> selected text via the tool palette, save, undo, will also trigger it.
> 
> It appears to be the sequence of (1) anything involving changing
> *ATTRIBUTES* of text, (2) a save, and (3) an immediate undo, that triggers
> it. If I do the above steps without a save, the undo does not cause the
> corruption. It's as if reverting to a pre-save state makes FM go haywire.
> 
> Now that I know what triggers the page going nuts, I now know what to avoid
> doing. I would experience this periodically since I'm a save-monkey, and
> wouldn't know what the heck was going on.
> 
> Bizarre.
> 
> Dan Harding
> Technical Editorial Specialist
> University of Illinois Tax School
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[3] http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-2.png
[4] http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-3.png
[5] http://www.taxschool.illinois.edu/images/fm/fm12-4.png
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Re: FrameMaker graphics question

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Ken, 

in FM 12 you can define object formats which can be used along with the
import of graphics. (Maybe this is also possible in FM 11...). 

So, with activated option "use object style", you would automatically
apply a pre-defined format to the graphic, lets say a 0.5pt line and
runaround options = zero. 

About the tables: 

You may use an anchored frame as before and first put a text frame
inside filling it 100% (width). This text frame could hold any table you
want. And btw: A table can have a title at the bottom, so there is no
need to have a second row. You could display the figure no. as redefined
table no., which would go along with the table format (and para format
used here) automatically. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Ken Poshedly: 

> I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see 
> my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that 
> just doesn't work for me,
> 
> We produce operator and other manuals for a heavy equipment manufacturing 
> company using FrameMaker 11.0 on a Windows XP plaform.
> 
> 1. Is there a way to force a certain width line border around all imported 
> graphics as they are brought in?
> 
> 2. Is there a more "elegant" way to insert a sequential figure number than 
> how my company currently does it?
> 
> Background for question 1:
> The procedure here for inserting images is to first insert a right-aligned 
> anchored frame 3.25 in. wide. That frame is set to "Run into Paragraph" and 
> as already stated, "Right Aligned"; it is anchored to its procedural text to 
> the left, so if its procedural text is deleted or moved, that anchored frame 
> goes with it. 
> 
> I then import by reference an subject image inside that anchored frame, scale 
> it to 2.75 in. wide and then right-align it inside that anchored frame. (The 
> height of the subject image, of course, then dictates the height of the 
> anchored frame, but that's no problem.) That leaves a 0.50 inch margin 
> between the left side of the subject image and the left side of the anchored 
> frame.
> 
> The reason for the anchored frame, by the way, is to artificially force the 
> procedural text for that subject graphic into a one-column format. Yes, I'm 
> one of the few who still believes that a true two-column format should be 
> used throughout a book (whether or not there are images on the right), but my 
> NOT tech writing or page layout-sophisticated supervisor believes all white 
> space on a page needs to be used. Thus, most pages wind up with a mix of 
> one-column and two-column layouts. (Those paragraphs not accompanied by a 
> graphic are full-page-width, while those paragraphs with a graphic are 
> artificially left-column-width. Pretty sloppy to my way of thinking.)
> 
> Anyway . . . after importing, positioning and scaling the subject image as 
> described above, I left-click on it (the image, not the anchored frame) and 
> use the Graphics toolbox icons to select a solid black border that is 0.5 pt 
> in width because all images (referenced or embedded) import "naked" (with no 
> line border). 
> 
> So CAN a line border with a predefined width be set so we don't have to do it 
> for every image? (Of course anchored frames with images that are used 
> repeatedly are simply copied and pasted wherever required and they retain 
> their size and border attributes.)
> 
> Background for question 2:
> 
> After the image is imported, positioned, sized and "bordered", a small text 
> box is also placed inside the anchored frame but directly below the subject 
> image and left-aligned with its left border. The empty paragraph marker 
> within that little text box is then tagged "section graphic counter"; it is 
> set to then automatically display the word "Fig." and the applicable chapter 
> and sequential figure number separated by a hyphen. For example, "Fig. 1-2". 
> Surely you get the idea.
> 
> That little text box is a problem because one has to eyeball its placement to 
> make sure it's not too close and not too far from its subject graphic and 
> that it is perfectly left-aligned with the left border of its subject 
> graphic. Then the subject graphic's runaround props must be set to "Do not 
> runaround" or else no graphic counter text appears inside the little text 
> box.What a damn pain in the . . .!
> 
> Note that we do also use full-page-width images and in those cases, I simply 
> insert a two-row, single-column table, stretch it to full-page-width, import 
> and center the image into the top row (or "cell"), tag the empty paragraph 
> marker inside row 2 as "section graphic counter" and the result is as 
> described above (left-aligned text with "Fig. 1-2" or whatever), but without 
> having to create another funky little text box.
> 
> I toyed with creating a one-column, two-row, right-aligned table to use this 
> method for single-column-width graphics, but FrameMaker doesn't allow text to 
> the left of a table (a

Re: Using pdfs in Frame12...cue some spooky music

[Heiko Haida]

 

Well, FrameMaker is not a very reliable and handy tool for editing
graphics.
There may be better and more accurate tools for this like Adobe
Illustrator. 

Concerning your question about cropping: 

a) The easiest way would be to work with pixel-related formats like
tiff, not with postscript-formats like eps or pdf. 

b) If cropping is not effective throughout the whole workflow on a pdf,
you may simply place the whole pdf in a frame as described in step (4),
but then reduce the size of the frame according to the requested
cropping. 

c) There may be tools that can crop postscript information. 
I once worked with Quite Imposing to produce a booklet and found that
postscript information from the original pdf that had been (invisible)
outside the page frame was in fact completely removed in the booklet.
Maybe somebody else in the forum has a good idea how to deal with it. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Theresa de Valence: 

> 1a. The original pdf is an outline drawing from google maps done in 
> Generic CAD. As part of that process, the original pdf also had a title, 
> a ruler to measure the map in increments, and some notes at the bottom.
> 
> 1b. This drawing was cropped using Adobe Acrobat XI tools which removed 
> the title, ruler and notes.
> 
> 2a. The second file is a Frame 12 document which imported the cropped 
> pdf from Item 1 onto the master page.
> 
> 2b. On the body page of the Frame document are some hundreds of numbers 
> (dots on the map).
> 
> 2c. This looks just great in Frame and prints properly.
> 
> 3. Save as pdf in Frame brings the uncropped image from Item 1a as part 
> of the pdf from 2c.
> 
> 4. The pdf generated in item 3 will be inserted as an anchored frame in 
> a new document.
> 
> How to fix # 3, i.e. to get the cropped file to stay cropped? 
> Following that, I'll have to figure out how to accomplish #4--which may 
> not be a problem if I can fix # 3.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Theresa
> 
> (This is reprinted from Adobe Frame & Acrobat forums...because there are 
> a lot of wise people here)
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RE: Trados and FM9 : Company requests files in MIF format?

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Stephen, 

well, I have been working for translation companies for more than 15
years (DTP). There are two ways to handle this: 

a) mif files are supplied for translation, mif files are returned (no
dtp involved). This is best if you can handle all dtp yourself.
It is necessary to know which mif version (which FM version) is used,
that is most important. 

b) Frame files are supplied and a dtp step is involved for preparation. 
In this case, it is preferable to have all details about the layout and
design rules communicated. Fonts should be supplied, graphics should be
supplied (they might also contain text btw). 
If you want to get the translations back fully layouted (or get PDFs
ready to publish), you should make sure that your source files are
accurate in the way the layouts are set and formats and typography are
used, so that no one has to guess what was originally intended. 

As you can see, b) may need a lot of communication, preparation and data
transfer in both directions. It may of course be useful, but it only
makes sense if there is a certain (recurring) amount of text to be
translated, or if languages are involved where you can not provide the
proper typesetting yourself. 

Regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Craig, Alison: 

> Stephen: 
> 
> For the past 8 years, I've managed a significant number of translation 
> projects and I've never heard of the customer having to provide MIF files to 
> a translation bureau. 
> 
> Are they also returning the files to you in MIF format? If so, this means the 
> translation bureau has not opened and tested the finished Frame files - an 
> important step in a properly run translation project. 
> 
> Can I ask who your translation bureau is? I can recommend a couple that do 
> excellent work and are very competitive on pricing. 
> 
> Alison 
> 
> ALISON CRAIG | TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION LEAD 
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> SUBJECT: Trados and FM9 : Company requests files in MIF format? 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> (FM9, Windows 7) 
> 
> I have a book of 40 files, graphics imported by reference; no text insets. 
> 
> The translation company want me to provide files in MIF format. I am 
> surprised that Trados does not accept the files in .FM format. Is this 
> normal? 
> 
> I have never created MIF files before. At least, it seems like a long manual 
> process. Is there a plug-in that does a complete book? I imagine the graphic 
> files remain linked by reference. 
> 
> Any comments are much appreciated. BTW, we plan to upgrade to FM 12 very 
> soon. Would that help (not have to convert to MIF?). 
> 
> Have a good day, 
> 
> STEPHEN O'BRIEN
> Coordonnateur à la documentation et rédacteur technique senior | 
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Re: TOC Failure

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Alison, 

this is a problem that I very often have: My colleagues are using the
English installation of FrameMaker which uses name extensions like TOC,
SIX, and para formats like "body", and so on, whereas my German Frame
uses IVZ, IX, "Haupttext", and so on. 

My installation does not always recognize generated files coming from
the English version. 
This is very annoying, and when I re-generate, the standard para formats
(German name is not "LevelTOC" but "EbeneIVZ"!) do not exist in the file
and will come up with a useless standard formatting. Furthermore, some
reference pages will not be found, which especially applies for index
generation. So its much work then to recover files and formatting... 

You better take care that all colleagues are using the same installation
language (preferably English). FrameMaker comes with a multi-language
installer, but of course normally those with the "wrong" language have
to re-install their FrameMaker. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Craig, Alison: 

> I received a request for help from my counterparts at a sister company in 
> Denmark. I know they are running unstructured Frame 9 and should be all 
> patched at this point. At least one system is a 64 bit Windows 7 Pro machine. 
> 
> The issue is a TOC file that is no longer a TOC file. It's simply registering 
> as a regular FM file in the book, although it used to be a proper TOC file 
> that updated just fine when required. 
> 
> Can anyone tell me: 
> 
> · why - and how - would a TOC file stop being a TOC file? 
> 
> · short of simply recreating a new TOC file, is there a way to salvage the 
> existing file and turn it back into an updatable TOC? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Alison 
> 
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Re: Structured FM 11 Font management issue

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Brenda, 

as far as I can see you mentioned all relevant parts that lead to a
specific formatting in a XML workflow.
Pls also check the r/w-rules, there may be (older, non-Unicode)
definitions expecially directing the output for symbol fonts. 

Now, if you had a "clean" workflow - EDD and template - the font
information would correctly be Courier new or ITC Dingbats. 

The notification shows that Courier/ZapfDingbats are still "somewhere"
and will come up every time you convert an XML file to a Frame file.
This information is not part of the XML file, so it must still be in
your template: What happens if you open it? You may convert the template
to "mif" and check if the fonts are still defined (open it with a text
editor). As the template and therefore the "mif" file also contains all
EDD definitions, this should make clear where the problem is. 

Concerning the ZapfDingbats font: Probably the template has been
reworked with a FrameMaker where the entry in the maker.ini was NOT
present... 

Now, if you change e.g. this one entry in the maker.ini to: 

Zapfdingbats, *,*= ITC Zapf Dingbats Std,*,* 

as you mentioned, this may help for the Frame publications you produce,
but you would still get this message every time, which is quite
annoying. 

So it is better to find out about the template... 

There are 3 main issues here: 
(1) If you changed the EDD, it must be re-imported into the template.
(2) A change in the FrameMaker formats must always be done via the
"update all" command, otherwise the definition will not really be
affected.
(3) There may be formats on the master pages (that are not in the format
list) or formattings defined in the EDD eg. for prefixes or suffixes
that are not easily found. A text search in the mif file should show
everything. 

Btw, as far I can see, all characters in ZapfDingbats are on ANSI
positions whereas in the ITC font all relevant characters are on their
Unicode positions - maybe this will not work as expected if you only
change the font but not the character encoding information (eg. via
r/w-rules). 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

George, Brenda (CAI): 

> My office recently upgraded to FrameMaker 11 in a Windows 7 environment. We 
> previously used FrameMaker 8 | Windows XP. 
> 
> We are in the process of replacing the following fonts: 
> 
> Courier 
> 
> Zapf Dingbats 
> 
> With the following: 
> 
> Courier New 
> 
> ITC Zapf Dingbats Std Medium 
> 
> I am having problems with Zapf Dingbats being replaced with ITC Zapf Dingbats 
> Std Medium. I have used the FrameMaker 11 fonts pod to update these fonts for 
> all of the appropriate FrameMaker files. 
> 
> We use an automated process to create the FrameMaker files. The process 
> involves importing XML feeds into Structured FrameMaker 11 using an automated 
> process. After the XML has been imported, it is fully formatted in FrameMaker 
> 11. After I select the xml file to import and the automated process is about 
> to import the xml file into FrameMaker 11, the FrameMaker console is 
> displaying this message: 
> 
> The "Zapfdingbats" font is not available. 
> 
> It will be replaced by "AdobePiStd". 
> 
> The "Zapfdingbats" font is not available. 
> 
> It will be replaced by "AdobePiStd". 
> 
> The "Courier" font is not available. 
> 
> It will be replaced by "Courier New". 
> 
> When I view the fonts in this newly created FrameMaker 11 file in the font 
> pod, the "AdobePiStd" font is displayed as part of the fonts in this file. I 
> did update the Zapf Dingbats occurrences in the FrameMaker template to ITC 
> Zapf Dingbats Std Medium and I updated all of the other systems files as 
> well. I did update the FrameMaker Edd. 
> 
> I looked at the maker.ini file and I noticed the following code: 
> 
> ; Font Entries Added in Frame 8 due to Font Set Changes 
> 
> Zapfdingbats, *,*= Adobe Pi Std,*,* 
> 
> In the automated process that I am using, when the xml feed is about to be 
> imported is this line of code causing FrameMaker 11 to override the font 
> changes that I made to all of the FrameMaker 11 files? Should I change this 
> line of code to this in order to fix the problem: 
> 
> Zapfdingbats, *,*= ITC Zapf Dingbats Std,*,* 
> 
> Any help that you can give me will be appreciated. 
> 
> Brenda George 
> 
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Re: "Unable to allocate ... bytes for color profile"

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Robert, 

after a web search for "setdistillerparams color profile" I found some
interesting results, like this: 

--> http://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/kb/error-pdf-printer-failed-to.html 

Maybe it is simple and you only need to install or re-install this
specific color profile in your system... 

Or: Color profiles should be embedded in the graphics files, so you may
check this (after finding out which file causes the error, as Steve
Rickeby wrote). 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Robert CH Shell: 

> Dear Framers:
> Any clues what went wrong here?
> 
> %%[ Error: limitcheck; OffendingCommand: setdistillerparams ]%%
> %%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
> Unable to allocate 557168 bytes for color profile U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2 
> %%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%
> 
> I so wish there was a pre-flight check for FM. Even the despised PageMaker
> had one.
> This error cost me 7 hours of precious computer time. Waits till end before
> error message~acronym~ WEBEM
> 
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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Fei Min, 

you can not produce a character above 255 (decimal) = 00FF (hexadec.)
without "modding" your Windows. 

If you absolutely want to use the "alt + ..." for Unicode characters,
you have to set the key value of "HKEY_CURRENT_USERControl PanelInput
MethodEnableHexNumpad" to "1". 

For more information how to use this, please see: -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input 
in the section: 
"Hexadecimal code input" -->" In Microsoft Windows" 

This is a very useful little trick! 

- 

If your colleague still gets a question mark, I think it is because a
font is applied (for whatever reason that may be...) that does not
contain this character.

Best regards -

Tino H. Haida, Berlin

 Fei Min Lorente: 

> Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but 
> my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the 
> infinity symbol. There's obviously something wrong with her setup. 
> 
> Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E 
> would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for 
> it, and still miss it. 
> 
> Also, thanks for this site, Robert: 
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm [1]. It's very 
> thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available 
> in Trebuchet, which is the font we're using. 
> 
> Fei Min 
> 
> FROM: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
> SENT: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:39 PM
> TO: Lise Bible; Fei Min Lorente
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
> problems 
> 
> Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My 
> company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard 
> corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all 
> Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a "Windows 
> component" from the Add Programs control panel tool.
> 
> But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude 
> looking...) tool built in. Go to Edit>Utilities>Character Palette. And if you 
> know the Unicode character number, you can also use File>Utilities>Hex Input, 
> whihc is even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible).
> 
> -Fred Ridder 
> 
> -
> 
> From: rentagoodb...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
> problems
> To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
> 
> Fei Min, 
> 
> I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using 
> Windows Character Map (under Programs>Accessories>System Tools) as a 
> workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. 
> 
> Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from 
> Word... 
> 
> -Lise 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente  
> wrote: 
> 
> I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity 
> symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is 
> Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, 
> I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit 
> menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the 
> symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is 
> that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the 
> symbol? 
> 
> My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use 
> the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets 
> other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, 
> and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've 
> found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me 
> what to do for FrameMaker 10? 
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Re: Font issue in Framemaker 10, Windows 7, 64-bit

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Tammy, 

to check your problem I had to buy one font style, I choose the "Breuer
Text regular" font. 

Now, after checking the font info, it is clearly a mistake in the font
definition. Although the style name is "Regular", the font weight is set
to "medium". 

If this is a problem, you should contact your font dealer or the maker
of the font. Of course the setting could be modified with a font
program, but this would be against license agreements, I guess. 

best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin (Germany) 

Tammy Van Boening: 

> All, 
> 
> I am having a doozy of a time with fonts in Framemaker and I am hoping that 
> if I provide a detailed description of the problem, someone can point me in 
> the right direction. This >>SHOULD<< be Fonts 101, but I give. Here is the 
> summary: 
> 
> · I have purchased four fonts directly from the font maker. The fonts are 
> Breuer Text Regular, Breuer Text Regular Italic, Breuer Text Bold, and Breuer 
> Text Bold Italic. 
> 
> · There are other fonts in this family with "Medium" in their names, such as 
> Breuer Text Regular Medium, Breuer Text Medium Italic, etc. 
> 
> · There are 8 font styles in all in this family, and they are style-linked 
> 
> · I have purchased and installed only the four fonts that I listed in my 
> first bullet. I have not ever installed any of the Medium fonts or any of the 
> other fonts, so style-linking should not be an issue. 
> 
> · After installing these four fonts, I see this in my C:WindowsFonts 
> directory - Medium, Medium Italic, Bold, and Bold Italic. Note that the 
> Regular fonts are actually being renamed automatically to Medium upon 
> installation. I did not do this manually. 
> 
> · When I open the top level Breuer Text font folder, I see four individual 
> detailed font folders - one named Medium, one named Medium Italic, one named 
> Bold and one named Bold Italic. 
> 
> · If I open either of the Medium folders, the file name in the title bar 
> still reads as BreuerText-Regular. otf or BreuerTextItalic-Regular. 
> 
> · When I create a paragraph tag in FM named BodyItalic, I select Breuer Text 
> as the Font Family, and then for the angle, I select Italic, which should 
> just switch the Regular font with the Regular Italic font, but boom. . . the 
> weight is also set to Bold immediately. For the weight characteristic, there 
> is a Regular option, so I try to select that and click Update All, but the 
> angle is immediately reset to Bold and I cannot change it. Anytime I try to 
> set the angle for any paragraph tag that uses the Breuer text to Italic, FM 
> automatically sets the weight to Bold as well. 
> 
> · I opened a Word doc., typed in some text in Breuer text, and then manually 
> applied the Italic character. In Word, the text is only italicized. It is NOT 
> bolded. I have to manually apply the Bold in Word. 
> 
> · If I use just Regular Breuer text in FM, and don't screw with the angle, 
> the weight remains Regular. It does not get bolded. 
> 
> I have tried rebooting, clearing my font cache, rebooting again and I still 
> this issue in Framemaker with this danged Breuer text. I tried uninstalling 
> the Breuer text, clearing my font cache, reinstalling and still the same 
> issue. The Regular text gets loaded and installed with "Medium" in the name 
> in the Fonts directory and in FM., anytime I try to italicize a paragraph 
> tag, it gets bolded as well. 
> 
> This is really screwing up my docs., obviously, as I don't want all 
> italicized text to be bolded. 
> 
> Any and all advice is sincerely appreciated. 
> 
> Tammy Van Boening 
> 
> Owner/Principal 
> 
> Spectrum Writing, LLC 
> 
> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
> 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
> 
> 303-840-1755
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Re: Saving back from FM v11 to FM v9

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Hi Karen, 

you might also try the FM 11-mif format. FM 9 seems to open these files,
and probably thus the font information will be correct. 

(In any case, FM 9 should be patched to its last version, as the support
for the FM 7.2 "not Unicode" characters was added very late.) 

Why this once worked but not now... I have no idea. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Karen Mann: 

> Hi everyone, 
> 
> Yep, got a problem. 
> 
> Customer using FM 11 wants some files saved back to FM Ver 9. Has always 
> worked before not now. Using Times New Roman font. Individually saved FM 11 
> as .mif 7 - then opened .mif 7 in FM 9 and resaved as .fm for FM 9. Open the 
> new FM 9 .fm file through FM9 and it opens the file. This time the file shows 
> up in question marks. Have redone it 7 times results are same. Did I miss 
> something… 
> 
> Anyone else having this issue? 
> 
> Thank you in advance for your efforts. 
> 
> Karen Mann 
> 
> km...@i-t-tech.com 
> 
> 262-251-9702 Ext. 111 
> 
> IT Technologies 
> 
> N96W15504 County Line Rd. 
> 
> Germantown, WI 53022
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[Heiko Haida]

Hi Karen, 

you might also try the FM 11-mif format. FM 9 seems to open these files,
and probably thus the font information will be correct. 

(In any case, FM 9 should be patched to its last version, as the support
for the FM 7.2 "not Unicode" characters was added very late.) 

Why this once worked but not now... I have no idea. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Karen Mann: 

> Hi everyone, 
> 
> Yep, got a problem. 
> 
> Customer using FM 11 wants some files saved back to FM Ver 9. Has always 
> worked before not now. Using Times New Roman font. Individually saved FM 11 
> as .mif 7 - then opened .mif 7 in FM 9 and resaved as .fm for FM 9. Open the 
> new FM 9 .fm file through FM9 and it opens the file. This time the file shows 
> up in question marks. Have redone it 7 times results are same. Did I miss 
> something? 
> 
> Anyone else having this issue? 
> 
> Thank you in advance for your efforts. 
> 
> Karen Mann 
> 
> kmann at i-t-tech.com 
> 
> 262-251-9702 Ext. 111 
> 
> IT Technologies 
> 
> N96W15504 County Line Rd. 
> 
> Germantown, WI 53022

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Re: Convert from FrameMaker to InDesign

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Elchanan, 

"easy" way: No, only "possible" (but only if certain conditions are
met). 

Please read more in the Adobe forums, eg. this quite recent posting: -->
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5497914 

I am using "Mif filter" which is quite accurate but needs some
preparation of the FM material and some reworking after conversion. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

VLM TechSubs: 

> Greetings, 
> 
> Is there an "easy" way to convert documents/books from FM to InDesign? Using 
> FM 8 and don't own InDesign, but now this client has requested this 
> conversion. MIF2Go, perhaps?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Elchanan
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[Heiko Haida]

Hi Elchanan, 

"easy" way: No, only "possible" (but only if certain conditions are
met). 

Please read more in the Adobe forums, eg. this quite recent posting: -->
http://forums.adobe.com/message/5497914 

I am using "Mif filter" which is quite accurate but needs some
preparation of the FM material and some reworking after conversion. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

VLM TechSubs: 

> Greetings, 
> 
> Is there an "easy" way to convert documents/books from FM to InDesign? Using 
> FM 8 and don't own InDesign, but now this client has requested this 
> conversion. MIF2Go, perhaps?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Elchanan

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Re: Replicate groups of files

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi John, 

with FM 10 the hierarchical organisation of files in a book was added
(folders, groups, or books within books). Using a folder, group, or book
with 5 files for each scenario may help to make navigation easier. 

You would duplicate the files on the hard disk (e.g. together with a
scenario-related book) and put them into a new folder (or new book)
simultaneously. 

(A remaining question would be, of course, why you would need all files
of all scenarios in one book...) 

Best regards and Happy New Year - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com: 

> Hi, guys...
> 
> I have a book with maybe 700 files. Our product is composed of multiple
> rules, or scenarios. Each scenario has five documents.
> 
> Every time we add another scenario, maybe 20-30 per month, I replicate each
> of the five documents and add them to the book individually. What I would
> like to do is replicate a template set of the five files for each scenario
> in one action, then modify the files for the specific scenario.
> 
> Any ideas on how I could approach this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John X Posada
> AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control & Analytics
> | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
> 330 Madison Ave., NY NY
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[Heiko Haida]

Hi John, 

with FM 10 the hierarchical organisation of files in a book was added
(folders, groups, or books within books). Using a folder, group, or book
with 5 files for each scenario may help to make navigation easier. 

You would duplicate the files on the hard disk (e.g. together with a
scenario-related book) and put them into a new folder (or new book)
simultaneously. 

(A remaining question would be, of course, why you would need all files
of all scenarios in one book...) 

Best regards and Happy New Year - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

john.x.posada at us.hsbc.com: 

> Hi, guys...
> 
> I have a book with maybe 700 files. Our product is composed of multiple
> rules, or scenarios. Each scenario has five documents.
> 
> Every time we add another scenario, maybe 20-30 per month, I replicate each
> of the five documents and add them to the book individually. What I would
> like to do is replicate a template set of the five files for each scenario
> in one action, then modify the files for the specific scenario.
> 
> Any ideas on how I could approach this?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> John X Posada
> AML Syst & Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC & RC Systems Control & Analytics
> | HSBC North America Holdings Inc
> 330 Madison Ave., NY NY

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[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Elchanan, 

I think this is your job... 

It is hard to say from the distance, but I think there may be two main
problems for printing: a) a missing trimbox and b) missing cropmarks.
This depends on the output intent and on the agreements with your print
shop. 

a) 
For printing, we are in touch with 3 print shops, all of them favor
PDF/X3 (or X4). 

I found that FrameMaker 8 does not supply valid PDF/X3 by itself -- even
with the matching Distiller profile, if it is used in "default"
configuration.
Acrobat preflight tells that all necessary "BOXES" are missing (that is
mainly the trimbox) and will stop, leaving the PDFs as useless as they
were before. 

The information about cropbox and trimbox may be essential for your
print shop. Simply cropping pages in Acrobat does not necessarily add
the correct trimbox. It will only change what you see onscreen. 

To get valid PDFs for print: 

You can either set box sizes via "pdfmark" information.
Or you change your distiller profile: go to Standard, set the
Compatibility option to PDF/X3. 
This will make the options for trimbox and cropbox available - you have
to enter the margins of your FM files without/with a suitable bleed. You
may have to try out if the result is ok -- hopefully your left/right
page setting is still working. 
(Settings here in the distiller profile will only allow one single value
for each size.) 

Finally you should always use the Acrobat preflight correction to obtain
valid PDF/X3 files!

b)
Cropmarks may also be essential for printing.
It may be a problem to supply cropmarks if the real page size and the
effective size differ (so much). I guess that FM will always place
cropmarks according to the total size = 8.5x11 in. 
If this is so, the best would be to draw the lines yourself on the
master pages of your template or to switch to another template with the
correct (final) page size. 
Some tools like PitStop may be able to put cropmarks on the PDF pages in
batch mode. 

Please also note: 
CMYK color will always be changed to different values unless you use EPS
(first FM version to handle this correctly is FM 10). If exact color is
necessary for your prints, the PDFs should be made with FM 10 (or 11). 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

VLM TechSubs: 

> Greetings everyone, 
> 
> I've created a book in FrameMaker, consisting of about 25 Frame files. There 
> is nothing extraordinary about the book, just chapters, mostly text, a ToC, 
> an index, and some standard front matter. Using FM 8 on Win 7. 
> 
> The book is to be printed in a 6"x9" format. In the Frame template, I used 
> 8.5 x 11 pages, then set the margins large enough, so that the text, headers, 
> footers, etc. would all fit perfectly inside a 6.9 page, including the 
> margins on the 6.9 page. I assumed that a print shop would be able to take 
> such a PDF file and put it on press on any machine that print shop has. 
> 
> Now, the print shop, with which I have no direct contact, apparently says it 
> can't use that, wants me to convert the book to 6.9 pages. I say 
> "apparently", because this is a game of telephone, and I actually have no 
> idea what the print shop actually said. Charming, eh? :)
> 
> 1. Does my assumption, namely, that a print shop should be able to take the 
> PDF I created and put it up on any reasonable press, make sense? (I ask, 
> because I need to decide whether I should "fix" this on my nickel or theirs. 
> If I'm making a reasonable assumption, then theirs; if not, then of course, 
> mine.)
> 
> 2. If I need to change the page size in FrameMaker and recreate the PDF, am I 
> better off changing the template and importing it into the existing book 
> files, or am I better off changing the template and then pasting the content 
> into the template, one chapter at a time, resaving each file as I go? Or is 
> there a third, better option? (It's a one-off project, no one is going to pay 
> to automate anything, whatever is done, will be done manually.) Also, if I 
> end up doing this, is there something special I need to know WRT Acrobat 
> settings I would use in FrameMaker? 
> 
> Thank you kindly, 
> 
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[Heiko Haida]

Hi Elchanan, 

I think this is your job... 

It is hard to say from the distance, but I think there may be two main
problems for printing: a) a missing trimbox and b) missing cropmarks.
This depends on the output intent and on the agreements with your print
shop. 

a) 
For printing, we are in touch with 3 print shops, all of them favor
PDF/X3 (or X4). 

I found that FrameMaker 8 does not supply valid PDF/X3 by itself -- even
with the matching Distiller profile, if it is used in "default"
configuration.
Acrobat preflight tells that all necessary "BOXES" are missing (that is
mainly the trimbox) and will stop, leaving the PDFs as useless as they
were before. 

The information about cropbox and trimbox may be essential for your
print shop. Simply cropping pages in Acrobat does not necessarily add
the correct trimbox. It will only change what you see onscreen. 

To get valid PDFs for print: 

You can either set box sizes via "pdfmark" information.
Or you change your distiller profile: go to Standard, set the
Compatibility option to PDF/X3. 
This will make the options for trimbox and cropbox available - you have
to enter the margins of your FM files without/with a suitable bleed. You
may have to try out if the result is ok -- hopefully your left/right
page setting is still working. 
(Settings here in the distiller profile will only allow one single value
for each size.) 

Finally you should always use the Acrobat preflight correction to obtain
valid PDF/X3 files!

b)
Cropmarks may also be essential for printing.
It may be a problem to supply cropmarks if the real page size and the
effective size differ (so much). I guess that FM will always place
cropmarks according to the total size = 8.5x11 in. 
If this is so, the best would be to draw the lines yourself on the
master pages of your template or to switch to another template with the
correct (final) page size. 
Some tools like PitStop may be able to put cropmarks on the PDF pages in
batch mode. 

Please also note: 
CMYK color will always be changed to different values unless you use EPS
(first FM version to handle this correctly is FM 10). If exact color is
necessary for your prints, the PDFs should be made with FM 10 (or 11). 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

VLM TechSubs: 

> Greetings everyone, 
> 
> I've created a book in FrameMaker, consisting of about 25 Frame files. There 
> is nothing extraordinary about the book, just chapters, mostly text, a ToC, 
> an index, and some standard front matter. Using FM 8 on Win 7. 
> 
> The book is to be printed in a 6"x9" format. In the Frame template, I used 
> 8.5 x 11 pages, then set the margins large enough, so that the text, headers, 
> footers, etc. would all fit perfectly inside a 6.9 page, including the 
> margins on the 6.9 page. I assumed that a print shop would be able to take 
> such a PDF file and put it on press on any machine that print shop has. 
> 
> Now, the print shop, with which I have no direct contact, apparently says it 
> can't use that, wants me to convert the book to 6.9 pages. I say 
> "apparently", because this is a game of telephone, and I actually have no 
> idea what the print shop actually said. Charming, eh? :)
> 
> 1. Does my assumption, namely, that a print shop should be able to take the 
> PDF I created and put it up on any reasonable press, make sense? (I ask, 
> because I need to decide whether I should "fix" this on my nickel or theirs. 
> If I'm making a reasonable assumption, then theirs; if not, then of course, 
> mine.)
> 
> 2. If I need to change the page size in FrameMaker and recreate the PDF, am I 
> better off changing the template and importing it into the existing book 
> files, or am I better off changing the template and then pasting the content 
> into the template, one chapter at a time, resaving each file as I go? Or is 
> there a third, better option? (It's a one-off project, no one is going to pay 
> to automate anything, whatever is done, will be done manually.) Also, if I 
> end up doing this, is there something special I need to know WRT Acrobat 
> settings I would use in FrameMaker? 
> 
> Thank you kindly, 
> 
> Elchanan

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Re: CMY data in PDF for JPEGs [do have workaround, but just curious]

[Heiko Haida]

 

Well, as far as I know, FrameMaker was never quite *the* dtp-tool famous
for adequate color-handling. 

The first version that does have a color management independent of the
Window GDI being capable of real CMYK colors is FM 10. So, if specific
color is needed, the best would be working with eps. 

On the other hand, the newer Acrobat versions have a built-in function
(print production tool) for "color conversion". You may set everything
e.g. to "dot-gain 15%". Dot-gain is a grayscale profile. Look on the
adobe forums for more information. 

There are other tools that provide this conversion on PDF files, like
the Quite suite or PitStop. I would always produce a color PDF first and
reduce color to grayscale in a second step. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Steve Rickaby: 

> At 12:53 -0600 13/12/13, Mike Wickham wrote:
> 
>> This may be a wild stab, but how is color management set up in your PDF 
>> .joboptions file? (In Distiller, choose "Default Settings", then Settings> 
>> Edit Adobe PDF Settings> Color tab> Color Management Policies). (May be 
>> different in your old Acrobat version) Some of those settings, as I recall, 
>> will change grayscale to color (such as "Tag Everything for Color 
>> Management). You probably want it set to "Leave Color Unchanged."
> 
> As a default I'm using 'Press Quality', which in v 6 does have color 
> management set to 'Leave color unchanged'.
> 
> My guess is that this is all something to do with FrameMaker's JPEG import 
> filters. The clue is that it does not happen for a TIFF version of any of the 
> problem images when converted from JPEG to TIFF outside of FrameMaker and 
> embedded as TIFFs. It seems to be peculiar to JPEGs.
> 
> As Sherlock Holmes used to say, 'When you have eliminated the impossible, 
> whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.' (Or something like 
> that).
> 
> -- 
> Steve
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[Heiko Haida]

Well, as far as I know, FrameMaker was never quite *the* dtp-tool famous
for adequate color-handling. 

The first version that does have a color management independent of the
Window GDI being capable of real CMYK colors is FM 10. So, if specific
color is needed, the best would be working with eps. 

On the other hand, the newer Acrobat versions have a built-in function
(print production tool) for "color conversion". You may set everything
e.g. to "dot-gain 15%". Dot-gain is a grayscale profile. Look on the
adobe forums for more information. 

There are other tools that provide this conversion on PDF files, like
the Quite suite or PitStop. I would always produce a color PDF first and
reduce color to grayscale in a second step. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Steve Rickaby: 

> At 12:53 -0600 13/12/13, Mike Wickham wrote:
> 
>> This may be a wild stab, but how is color management set up in your PDF 
>> .joboptions file? (In Distiller, choose "Default Settings", then Settings> 
>> Edit Adobe PDF Settings> Color tab> Color Management Policies). (May be 
>> different in your old Acrobat version) Some of those settings, as I recall, 
>> will change grayscale to color (such as "Tag Everything for Color 
>> Management). You probably want it set to "Leave Color Unchanged."
> 
> As a default I'm using 'Press Quality', which in v 6 does have color 
> management set to 'Leave color unchanged'.
> 
> My guess is that this is all something to do with FrameMaker's JPEG import 
> filters. The clue is that it does not happen for a TIFF version of any of the 
> problem images when converted from JPEG to TIFF outside of FrameMaker and 
> embedded as TIFFs. It seems to be peculiar to JPEGs.
> 
> As Sherlock Holmes used to say, 'When you have eliminated the impossible, 
> whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.' (Or something like 
> that).
> 
> -- 
> Steve
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Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't

[Heiko Haida]

Well, it is extremely useful to have character format definitions that
leave certain issues undefined. 

The bug (old, indeed) is, that the "as is" used here is the same "as is"
that is used for redefining formats (like for para or table formats). 

It is necessary to keep this in mind when working with character
formats. You always have to put everything in that is intended to be
used. 

My advice: Make character formats as simple as possible, by defining
only the new color (here = Blue), or a new font size, or new weight. The
less properties are defined the better the format can be used. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Shmuel Wolfson: 

> This is a very old FrameMaker bug. When you set everything to As Is, the 
> text size doesn't show As Is, but it does function as As Is. It's just a 
> display problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> On 14-Nov-13 12:05 AM, Beverly Robinson wrote:
> 
>> FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Windows 7 64-bit My template has a character tag, 
>> Hyperlink, that makes text blue. The Size setting had been at 11 pt, the 
>> size for Body paragraphs. Recently I needed to use the tag in a 
>> cross-reference in a table footnote. Table footnotes are 9 pt. So I changed 
>> the Size setting to As Is but: ?After clicking As Is, the Size control 
>> doesn't say "As Is"--it's blank. ?Hyperlink text in table footnotes is 
>> larger than 9 pt. FrameMaker help says nothing about this anomaly and I 
>> didn't see anything similar in the first 5 pages on the FrameMaker user 
>> forum. Has anyone else run into this? Found a solution? Thanks for your 
>> help, Beverly ___ You are 
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Re: Character Tag "As Is" setting--isn't

[Heiko Haida]

 

Well, it is extremely useful to have character format definitions that
leave certain issues undefined. 

The bug (old, indeed) is, that the "as is" used here is the same "as is"
that is used for redefining formats (like for para or table formats). 

It is necessary to keep this in mind when working with character
formats. You always have to put everything in that is intended to be
used. 

My advice: Make character formats as simple as possible, by defining
only the new color (here = Blue), or a new font size, or new weight. The
less properties are defined the better the format can be used. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Shmuel Wolfson: 

> This is a very old FrameMaker bug. When you set everything to As Is, the 
> text size doesn't show As Is, but it does function as As Is. It's just a 
> display problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> On 14-Nov-13 12:05 AM, Beverly Robinson wrote:
> 
>> FrameMaker 10.0.2.419 on Windows 7 64-bit My template has a character tag, 
>> Hyperlink, that makes text blue. The Size setting had been at 11 pt, the 
>> size for Body paragraphs. Recently I needed to use the tag in a 
>> cross-reference in a table footnote. Table footnotes are 9 pt. So I changed 
>> the Size setting to As Is but: ·After clicking As Is, the Size control 
>> doesn't say "As Is"--it's blank. ·Hyperlink text in table footnotes is 
>> larger than 9 pt. FrameMaker help says nothing about this anomaly and I 
>> didn't see anything similar in the first 5 pages on the FrameMaker user 
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questions re Structured FM7.2 to FM11

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Cheryl, 

as Matt and Scott have already mentioned, there are differences, but you
should be able to work with your old files and get some result, at
least. 

FrameMaker works with Unicode characters since FM 8. Some older settings
for characters - iso characters in the r/w rules, prefix/suffix entries
(EDD) or numbering formats/reference definitions (in the templates) -
may have to be updated or modified. You have to be aware of that if you
convert FM 7.2-files. 

FM 11 now supports XSLT 2. Of course, XSLT 1-templates should still
work. 

As you know, the structured environment consists mainly of the following
parts/files: 

structured application definition file = structapps.fm
read/write-rules file
DTD and entity definitions
EDD
Template(s) with imported EDD 

In your structapps.fm, you define the file paths for all necessary
files. All files except the DTD itself are genuine FrameMaker files.
First, you should make sure that the structapps.fm is of the newest
version. Create a new structapps.fm with FM 11 and copy (only) the
application entries of the old FM 7.2-file into it (via the
structure-view window), without the header.
All other files should at least be opened and saved with FM 11. 

If you can get some How-to-instructions for FM 8 or FM 9, these will
also be helpful for FM 11. 

Manuals are available from the Adobe Website. Look for "FM structure
application developer guide" and "reference". We just had a discussion
on "frameusers" about this and it seems, that in fact the newest
versions of these manuals were released with FM 9 (which is pretty long
time ago...). 

The FM 11 online help is here: 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f73d53-8000.html


You can get infos on some commercial sites for free too, eg. here:
http://wiki.scriptorium.com./tiki-index.php 

Good luck - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

dwyercl2 at verizon.net: 

> Background: My company recently purchased FM11 and after using FM7.2 forever, 
> I'm now learning my way around FM11 one-day-at-a-time. I had created 
> structured FM7.2 files and was working on round-tripping them to-XML-and-back 
> several years ago, when we were "overtaken by events" and I never did get the 
> XSLT stylesheets worked out. 
> 
> Present: In opening my old FM7.2 structured files, I'm finding all the work I 
> did on creating EDDs and other special files for XML pretty much obsolete or 
> so it seems. (The structure dev guide was a huge help back then...) Is there 
> a magic bullet or two that I can use to be able to re-use the 34-page EDD 
> (lots of thought and work put into that way-back-when), or should I just 
> start over from scratch and let FM11 do the heavy lifting that the marketing 
> blurbs on it says it will do? 
> 
> Any pitfalls I should be aware of? Advice? Books I should get? Is there a 
> FM11 structure dev guide available? Any help or suggestions are welcome! 
> 
> Thanks!
> Cheryl Dwyer 
> 
> Lead Tech Writer
> Industrial Medium Software, Inc.
> McLean, VA

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Re: questions re Structured FM7.2 to FM11

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Cheryl, 

as Matt and Scott have already mentioned, there are differences, but you
should be able to work with your old files and get some result, at
least. 

FrameMaker works with Unicode characters since FM 8. Some older settings
for characters - iso characters in the r/w rules, prefix/suffix entries
(EDD) or numbering formats/reference definitions (in the templates) -
may have to be updated or modified. You have to be aware of that if you
convert FM 7.2-files. 

FM 11 now supports XSLT 2. Of course, XSLT 1-templates should still
work. 

As you know, the structured environment consists mainly of the following
parts/files: 

structured application definition file = structapps.fm
read/write-rules file
DTD and entity definitions
EDD
Template(s) with imported EDD 

In your structapps.fm, you define the file paths for all necessary
files. All files except the DTD itself are genuine FrameMaker files.
First, you should make sure that the structapps.fm is of the newest
version. Create a new structapps.fm with FM 11 and copy (only) the
application entries of the old FM 7.2-file into it (via the
structure-view window), without the header.
All other files should at least be opened and saved with FM 11. 

If you can get some How-to-instructions for FM 8 or FM 9, these will
also be helpful for FM 11. 

Manuals are available from the Adobe Website. Look for "FM structure
application developer guide" and "reference". We just had a discussion
on "frameusers" about this and it seems, that in fact the newest
versions of these manuals were released with FM 9 (which is pretty long
time ago...). 

The FM 11 online help is here: 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f73d53-8000.html


You can get infos on some commercial sites for free too, eg. here:
http://wiki.scriptorium.com./tiki-index.php 

Good luck - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

dwyer...@verizon.net: 

> Background: My company recently purchased FM11 and after using FM7.2 forever, 
> I'm now learning my way around FM11 one-day-at-a-time. I had created 
> structured FM7.2 files and was working on round-tripping them to-XML-and-back 
> several years ago, when we were "overtaken by events" and I never did get the 
> XSLT stylesheets worked out. 
> 
> Present: In opening my old FM7.2 structured files, I'm finding all the work I 
> did on creating EDDs and other special files for XML pretty much obsolete or 
> so it seems. (The structure dev guide was a huge help back then...) Is there 
> a magic bullet or two that I can use to be able to re-use the 34-page EDD 
> (lots of thought and work put into that way-back-when), or should I just 
> start over from scratch and let FM11 do the heavy lifting that the marketing 
> blurbs on it says it will do? 
> 
> Any pitfalls I should be aware of? Advice? Books I should get? Is there a 
> FM11 structure dev guide available? Any help or suggestions are welcome! 
> 
> Thanks!
> Cheryl Dwyer 
> 
> Lead Tech Writer
> Industrial Medium Software, Inc.
> McLean, VA
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Paragraph tag selection - F9 + keyboard

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Tim, 

you should always work with the fully patched version! 

Patches are available for download on the Adobe website: 

-->
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows
[1] 

You have to apply all patches successively: first 9p230, then 9p237,
then 9p250, then 9p255 -- ok? 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Tim Pann: 

> I'm running Frame 9 on each of two Windows 7 laptops, which I'll call 
> computer A and computer B. 
> 
> Computer A is running version 9.0p196. (A while back it was fully updated but 
> my hard drive crashed and I had to start over.) 
> 
> Computer B is running version 9.0p255. 
> 
> My problem is that on computer A I am not able to select a paragraph tag by 
> hitting F9 and then typing the first few characters of the tag name. For 
> example, I have the following: 
> 
> b1Body1 
> 
> bu1Bullet1 
> 
> Naturally if I hit F9 then "b" it activate b1Body1. On computer B, if I enter 
> "bu" then I get to bu1Bullet1. On computer A, typing "bu" does not move me 
> from b1Body1 to bu1Bullet1. I have to use the down arrow key. 
> 
> I suspect this has to do with my version. 
> 
> So my QUICK question is, can someone help me understand what version to 
> update to from 9.0p196 to get to 255? And how to get that? 
> 
> For a full explanation of why I'm asking this question, read on. It will 
> probably give you a headache. Thank you in advance. J 
> 
> - Tim 
> 
> Continuing, the second problem I have is that I cannot download an update on 
> computer A. Upon asking Frame to look for updates, I get the following 
> message: "The update server is not responding, which means it might be 
> offline at the moment, or the Internet or firewall settings may be incorrect. 
> Please try again later." (It works fine on computer B.) 
> 
> This error occurs on my work network and at home. 
> 
> Through some logic (I don't remember actually), several weeks ago I managed 
> to download the FrameMaker_9_0_4_win.exe update. (I didn't get it on computer 
> B because computer B tells me there is no update to p255.) Anyway, when I try 
> to install this upgrade on computer A it tells me that this update is for the 
> version p250 build. Then it quits. 
> 
> I find that taking a screen shot of this email and turning it upside down 
> makes it more readable. 
> 
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> responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any 
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Re: Paragraph tag selection - F9 + keyboard

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Tim, 

you should always work with the fully patched version! 

Patches are available for download on the Adobe website: 

-->
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows
[1] 

You have to apply all patches successively: first 9p230, then 9p237,
then 9p250, then 9p255 -- ok? 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Tim Pann: 

> I'm running Frame 9 on each of two Windows 7 laptops, which I'll call 
> computer A and computer B. 
> 
> Computer A is running version 9.0p196. (A while back it was fully updated but 
> my hard drive crashed and I had to start over.) 
> 
> Computer B is running version 9.0p255. 
> 
> My problem is that on computer A I am not able to select a paragraph tag by 
> hitting F9 and then typing the first few characters of the tag name. For 
> example, I have the following: 
> 
> b1Body1 
> 
> bu1Bullet1 
> 
> Naturally if I hit F9 then "b" it activate b1Body1. On computer B, if I enter 
> "bu" then I get to bu1Bullet1. On computer A, typing "bu" does not move me 
> from b1Body1 to bu1Bullet1. I have to use the down arrow key. 
> 
> I suspect this has to do with my version. 
> 
> So my QUICK question is, can someone help me understand what version to 
> update to from 9.0p196 to get to 255? And how to get that? 
> 
> For a full explanation of why I'm asking this question, read on. It will 
> probably give you a headache. Thank you in advance. J 
> 
> - Tim 
> 
> Continuing, the second problem I have is that I cannot download an update on 
> computer A. Upon asking Frame to look for updates, I get the following 
> message: "The update server is not responding, which means it might be 
> offline at the moment, or the Internet or firewall settings may be incorrect. 
> Please try again later." (It works fine on computer B.) 
> 
> This error occurs on my work network and at home. 
> 
> Through some logic (I don't remember actually), several weeks ago I managed 
> to download the FrameMaker_9_0_4_win.exe update. (I didn't get it on computer 
> B because computer B tells me there is no update to p255.) Anyway, when I try 
> to install this upgrade on computer A it tells me that this update is for the 
> version p250 build. Then it quits. 
> 
> I find that taking a screen shot of this email and turning it upside down 
> makes it more readable. 
> 
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this message may be 
> privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, or 
> responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any 
> review, forwarding, dissemination, distribution or copying of this 
> communication or any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have 
> received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and 
> delete it and all attachments from your computer and network. 
> 
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Insert image as H/F variable

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Wim, 

I have seen something like that, but I dont know exactly how the trick
worked. 

It was also structured FM. The graphics were all on the reference page
in individual frames.
On the master page, there was a textflow frame with a "normal"
paragraph, no variables (I think). You would have to see that the
setting for "Frame Above Pgf" is set to the specific frame on the
reference page with the graphic needed. 

As I said, I know it is possible, but there are some things missing here
that I do not remember. At the time I worked with the files, my focus
was only on the typesetting work. 

Another option:
Similarly, instead of using the reference pages, you may put all
graphics in a font (if possible). 
For the sinchronization of H/F appearance and related chapter (or
heading) you could use a marker in the heading with just the letter that
stands for the graphic in the font The marker could be referenced on the
master page with a variable. 

Good luck - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp: 

> Hi, 
> 
> one of my clients wants to use images as (in) H/F variables. This can not be 
> done using default FM functions, as a variable can not contain an image. 
> 
> Has anyone handled this kind of formatting and can give me some suggestions? 
> Or may be someone has a script available to replace H/F with an image - I 
> guess an image that should be taken from the content, just like a H/F takes 
> the heading text from the content. 
> 
> Note: this is structured FM (XML, not DITA) and currently moving tom FM7 to 
> FM10/11. 
> 
> thanks, 
> 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
> 
> Wim Hooghwinkel 
> 
> INFORMATION ENERGY 2013 ??LEADING?CONFERENCE ON INNOVATION IN?KNOWLEDGE AND 
> INFORMATION EXCHANGE
> IEn2013 [1]
> 
> tel. +31652036811
> Skype wimhooghwinkel
> Twitter @idtp @ien2013
> info at idtp.eu 
> www.idtp.eu [2]
> 
> FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu


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Re: Insert image as H/F variable

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Wim, 

I have seen something like that, but I dont know exactly how the trick
worked. 

It was also structured FM. The graphics were all on the reference page
in individual frames.
On the master page, there was a textflow frame with a "normal"
paragraph, no variables (I think). You would have to see that the
setting for "Frame Above Pgf" is set to the specific frame on the
reference page with the graphic needed. 

As I said, I know it is possible, but there are some things missing here
that I do not remember. At the time I worked with the files, my focus
was only on the typesetting work. 

Another option:
Similarly, instead of using the reference pages, you may put all
graphics in a font (if possible). 
For the sinchronization of H/F appearance and related chapter (or
heading) you could use a marker in the heading with just the letter that
stands for the graphic in the font The marker could be referenced on the
master page with a variable. 

Good luck - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp: 

> Hi, 
> 
> one of my clients wants to use images as (in) H/F variables. This can not be 
> done using default FM functions, as a variable can not contain an image. 
> 
> Has anyone handled this kind of formatting and can give me some suggestions? 
> Or may be someone has a script available to replace H/F with an image - I 
> guess an image that should be taken from the content, just like a H/F takes 
> the heading text from the content. 
> 
> Note: this is structured FM (XML, not DITA) and currently moving tom FM7 to 
> FM10/11. 
> 
> thanks, 
> 
> Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
> 
> Wim Hooghwinkel 
> 
> INFORMATION ENERGY 2013 – LEADING CONFERENCE ON INNOVATION IN KNOWLEDGE AND 
> INFORMATION EXCHANGE
> IEn2013 [1]
> 
> tel. +31652036811
> Skype wimhooghwinkel
> Twitter @idtp @ien2013
> i...@idtp.eu 
> www.idtp.eu [2]
> 
> FrameMaker support: framema...@idtp.eu
 

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RE: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hello Fei Min, 

you are probably right with presuming that there is no way to apply the
"rotate page" command to more that just the actual page.
I could not find any hint about this. 

Of course you could: Remap the command to a different, shorter shortcut.
Or: Add the command to a menu.
All this would not solve your problem, I think. 

a)
One way would be to write a short program (e.g. with framescript or with
Extendscript) that lets you enter the relevant pages and either rotates
them this way or back.
(Unfortunately I am no help in writing this tool.) 

b)
I thing the best approach is to work with a rotated master page, as was
already mentioned: 

You should define one new master page with landscape orientation and a
main text frame in it in the appropriate size, in a comfortable view for
editing. It is not necessary to add headers and footers unless these
were also continuous textflows. Nor is it necessary to create different
left and right pages, as you would only use the page temporariliy. 

As you are obviously working with structured applications, this new page
should be applied to your template, so that it becomes available in each
document that you generate. 

This done, you can apply the master page to the page range where the
index is located with a single command (in the master page menu). Then
you would edit the content. The you would reapply the master pages that
are intended to be used here. Probably you have to distinguish between
right and left pages, so this time you would need two actions to get
back to the original format. 

And thats it... 

c)
Other solutions are: 
-- You could use a screen that can be rotated... I have one, but with a
configuration like this (screen rotated, content editable but not
*really* rotated), it takes some skill to move the cursor, either with a
mouse or with the arrow keys... 

-- Or you could use the landscape orientation page as a STANDARD for
your index pages and not the 8x11 inch portrait master pages. 
Depending on what the purpose is, you may then e.g. simply rotate the
pages in the final PDF as the very last step. This would also be helpful
for reviewing the content meanwhile in the PDF. In Acrobat, the rotation
is only one single command for a page range. 

Best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Fei Min Lorente: 

> Oh, I see the confusion. Okay, I have an 8.5 x 11 book, so all the pages are 
> the same size. For this appendix, the first couple of pages and the last page 
> are normal portrait. The tables in between these pages are rotated so that 
> the top is always at the left and the bottom is always at the right, but the 
> header and footer are still at the top and bottom edges (short sides of the 
> page). The master pages are applied by a structured master page map which 
> triggers on an attribute value.
> 
> If there is a quick, easily reversible way to rotate all the pages so I can 
> edit them, then rotate them all back, I'd be okay with that too. They are 
> contiguous. But I tried selecting all the pages and it only lets me highlight 
> one at a time. Maybe messing with the master page is the best option?
> 
> Fei Min
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 4:32 PM
> To: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate clockwise/counter-clockwise
> 
> Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to do. I thought you meant 
> landscape pages.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Fei Min Lorente  
> wrote:
> 
>> I did. So they're showing up sideways, but I can't edit them that way. Do 
>> you mean unrotate the master pages and apply them temporarily so I can edit? 
>> Fei Min -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com 
>> [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: 
>> Tuesday, October 15, 2013 3:36 PM To: Fei Min Lorente; 
>> framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Shortcut keys for rotate 
>> clockwise/counter-clockwise Instead of manually rotating pages, you should 
>> define a rotated master page.
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