Structured FrameMaker -> RoboHelp/Air?
Thanks Mahesh, unfortunately, I'm not in a position (time-wise) to try things out at the moment. I'd like something that works, but I guess I could always try to find somebody to do the testing for me. :) best regards, Jakob. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 04:53, Mahesh Kumar Gupta wrote: > Hi Jacob > > I suggest you try out the integrations. Formatting information is derived > from styles defined in FrameMaker and there are many fine options in > achieving the desired results. Availability of scripting with RoboHelp in > TCS2 helps in customizing the mapping and publishing process. > > Please do share your feedback. > > Thanks > Mahesh > > Product Manager > Adobe Technical Communication Suite > mahesh at adobe.com ??? ??+91-120-2444711 > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:52 PM > To: Framers List > Subject: Structured FrameMaker -> Robobhelp/Air? > > Hi, > > We have a publication as structured FrameMaker 9 files that I thought > I could quite easily publish with TCS 2.0's FrameMaker/Robohelp/Air > integration. However, in the meantime I've been told ?that Robohelp is > only able to take into account any formatting styles defined in > FrameMaker but not the actual element contexts. Is that true? Could > this possibly change with 2.5? > > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as mahesh at adobe.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mahesh%40adobe.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Re: Structured FrameMaker -> RoboHelp/Air?
Thanks Mahesh, unfortunately, I'm not in a position (time-wise) to try things out at the moment. I'd like something that works, but I guess I could always try to find somebody to do the testing for me. :) best regards, Jakob. On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 04:53, Mahesh Kumar Gupta wrote: > Hi Jacob > > I suggest you try out the integrations. Formatting information is derived > from styles defined in FrameMaker and there are many fine options in > achieving the desired results. Availability of scripting with RoboHelp in > TCS2 helps in customizing the mapping and publishing process. > > Please do share your feedback. > > Thanks > Mahesh > > Product Manager > Adobe Technical Communication Suite > mah...@adobe.com +91-120-2444711 > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:52 PM > To: Framers List > Subject: Structured FrameMaker -> Robobhelp/Air? > > Hi, > > We have a publication as structured FrameMaker 9 files that I thought > I could quite easily publish with TCS 2.0's FrameMaker/Robohelp/Air > integration. However, in the meantime I've been told that Robohelp is > only able to take into account any formatting styles defined in > FrameMaker but not the actual element contexts. Is that true? Could > this possibly change with 2.5? > > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as mah...@adobe.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mahesh%40adobe.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Structured FrameMaker -> Robobhelp/Air?
Hi, We have a publication as structured FrameMaker 9 files that I thought I could quite easily publish with TCS 2.0's FrameMaker/Robohelp/Air integration. However, in the meantime I've been told that Robohelp is only able to take into account any formatting styles defined in FrameMaker but not the actual element contexts. Is that true? Could this possibly change with 2.5? cheers, Jakob.
Structured FrameMaker -> Robobhelp/Air?
Hi, We have a publication as structured FrameMaker 9 files that I thought I could quite easily publish with TCS 2.0's FrameMaker/Robohelp/Air integration. However, in the meantime I've been told that Robohelp is only able to take into account any formatting styles defined in FrameMaker but not the actual element contexts. Is that true? Could this possibly change with 2.5? cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
convert inline elements to xrefs
Thanks everybody for their input such as: * use a FrameMaker plugin called Node Wizard. This could work very well if the target element wouldn't be an element of type Cross-Reference which is "special" and can't easily be generated, at least that's what I've seen from a quick test. I'd love to be told that there is a way. * write a FrameScript - I'm no expert, but this could well be a possibility, and the documents would stay in Frame (i.e. no loss of manual formatting tweaks). * write an XSLT transformation. I know how to do this, but: The FrameMaker files have already suffered manual tweaks which, I think, would be lost when exporting to XML. * write a script (Python). well, yes, probably, but first you need to get the FrameMaker files into a format that's readable by Python, such as XML (see above). * I also thought then to use the FM -> MIF -> XML+XSLT -> MIF -> FM route which would at least retain the manual modifications, or not? For this I looked at and downloaded Leximation's MIFML tool, which is documented to be able to read 7.2 files. We're using 9.0 for this project. Have there been any dramatic changes between these two versions on the MIF format? There's also a three year-old MIF <-> XML tool written in Java by the guys from O'Reilly (http://left.subtree.org/2007/01/25/converting-mif-to-xml/) but again it's probably not ready to grok the latest and greatest MIF. any more thoughts? Thanks, Jakob. > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:02 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: convert inline elements to xrefs > > Hi, > > I have elements like this one report > 15 which are defined in the DTD as normal elements. > > Now, I have been asked to convert them all to native FrameMaker xref > elements, (with the correct xref format if possible). > > As there are hundreds if not thousands of these falsexref elements, I > need to find some kind of (semi-)automated approach. > > Any help is greatly appreciated, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons > emi.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
convert inline elements to xrefs
Hi, I have elements like this one report 15 which are defined in the DTD as normal elements. Now, I have been asked to convert them all to native FrameMaker xref elements, (with the correct xref format if possible). As there are hundreds if not thousands of these falsexref elements, I need to find some kind of (semi-)automated approach. Any help is greatly appreciated, Jakob.
Re: convert inline elements to xrefs
Thanks everybody for their input such as: * use a FrameMaker plugin called Node Wizard. This could work very well if the target element wouldn't be an element of type Cross-Reference which is "special" and can't easily be generated, at least that's what I've seen from a quick test. I'd love to be told that there is a way. * write a FrameScript - I'm no expert, but this could well be a possibility, and the documents would stay in Frame (i.e. no loss of manual formatting tweaks). * write an XSLT transformation. I know how to do this, but: The FrameMaker files have already suffered manual tweaks which, I think, would be lost when exporting to XML. * write a script (Python). well, yes, probably, but first you need to get the FrameMaker files into a format that's readable by Python, such as XML (see above). * I also thought then to use the FM -> MIF -> XML+XSLT -> MIF -> FM route which would at least retain the manual modifications, or not? For this I looked at and downloaded Leximation's MIFML tool, which is documented to be able to read 7.2 files. We're using 9.0 for this project. Have there been any dramatic changes between these two versions on the MIF format? There's also a three year-old MIF <-> XML tool written in Java by the guys from O'Reilly (http://left.subtree.org/2007/01/25/converting-mif-to-xml/) but again it's probably not ready to grok the latest and greatest MIF. any more thoughts? Thanks, Jakob. > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:02 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: convert inline elements to xrefs > > Hi, > > I have elements like this one report > 15 which are defined in the DTD as normal elements. > > Now, I have been asked to convert them all to native FrameMaker xref > elements, (with the correct xref format if possible). > > As there are hundreds if not thousands of these falsexref elements, I > need to find some kind of (semi-)automated approach. > > Any help is greatly appreciated, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons > emi.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
convert inline elements to xrefs
Hi, I have elements like this one report 15 which are defined in the DTD as normal elements. Now, I have been asked to convert them all to native FrameMaker xref elements, (with the correct xref format if possible). As there are hundreds if not thousands of these falsexref elements, I need to find some kind of (semi-)automated approach. Any help is greatly appreciated, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
can one force a dropdown menu state?
Hi, is there an option in FrameMaker 9's maker.ini file or any other way to force the "Source Type" drop-down menu in the Cross-Reference dialog panel to default to "Elements Sorted by ID"? I had a look at maker.ini as well as the some of the fminit/config/*.cfg files but I can't see anything that could be tweaked. Our IDs are supplied manually and make sense to the author, and lots of the labels are repetitive and don't give a good indication. We're looking for ways to make the insertion of Xrefs as quick as possible. thanks, Jakob.
can one force a dropdown menu state?
Hi, is there an option in FrameMaker 9's maker.ini file or any other way to force the "Source Type" drop-down menu in the Cross-Reference dialog panel to default to "Elements Sorted by ID"? I had a look at maker.ini as well as the some of the fminit/config/*.cfg files but I can't see anything that could be tweaked. Our IDs are supplied manually and make sense to the author, and lots of the labels are repetitive and don't give a good indication. We're looking for ways to make the insertion of Xrefs as quick as possible. thanks, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
EDD rule that refers to the book element - impossible?
Hi, please consider this: I have a structured book with a large number of components. The book structure conforms to the EDD, i.e. validating the book works. The top element of the book, has a @status attribute that can be either "draft" or "publishable". In the component files, I have xrefs that in draft mode are underlined. For publishing, the underline should be removed. My attempts to deal with this via the EDD have so far been unsuccessful. Is this the right approach? For the xref element I've specified this rule: Text format rules If context is: * < book[status=?draft?] Text range. Font properties Underline: Single Else Text range. Font properties Underline: None But it doesn't seem to get picked up. The documentation (Structured Application Developer's Guide) does not make any statements about the (non-)permeability of the border between book component and the book itself. thanks, Jakob.
EDD rule that refers to the book element - impossible?
Hi, please consider this: I have a structured book with a large number of components. The book structure conforms to the EDD, i.e. validating the book works. The top element of the book, has a @status attribute that can be either "draft" or "publishable". In the component files, I have xrefs that in draft mode are underlined. For publishing, the underline should be removed. My attempts to deal with this via the EDD have so far been unsuccessful. Is this the right approach? For the xref element I've specified this rule: Text format rules If context is: * < book[status=”draft”] Text range. Font properties Underline: Single Else Text range. Font properties Underline: None But it doesn't seem to get picked up. The documentation (Structured Application Developer's Guide) does not make any statements about the (non-)permeability of the border between book component and the book itself. thanks, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
find all xrefs for an ID in FrameMaker?
Bill, Matt, good idea, the index of markers. I very rarely use them, so I completely forgot about them. I'll try that for starters. The need is indeed to find all cross references for a given element. I must admit my reference for this stems from Oxygen XML's behaviour where you execute an Xpath query for a document and it then shows, across the bottom of the screen, a list of all found elements which are clickable and lead you to the item in the document. In the "Structured Authoring" workspace (on of the default ones), at the bottom of the screen of FrameMaker 9, there is a panel called "Cross References" which lists the xrefs for the current document or any other that you choose and that's open. It closely resembles what I've encountered in Oxygen XML, but it's not easily possible to restrict its display to those xrefs that point to a given element. I may indeed post this to the wish list for a future version as suggested by Matt. cheers, Jakob. [did I say we're using FrameMaker 9, structured mode?] On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 18:35, Bill Swallow wrote: > You can also create an Index of Markers and choose the xref marker > format to get a full list of every xref, I believe by target. I don't > have FM handy at the moment to check. > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Bill Swallow > wrote: >> Use the Find/Replace dialog to search for Marker Text and type in the >> ID attribute. It should find them all. I'm not sure what you mean by >> seeing them all in the xref panel at the bottom of the screen, though. >> What are you trying to do, exactly? What is your need? > > -- > Bill Swallow > > Twitter: @techcommdood > Blog: http://techcommdood.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood > > Available for contract and full time opportunities. >
find all xrefs for an ID in FrameMaker?
Hi, I'd like to find all cross-references to a given element identified by its ID attribute, preferably across a book. I'd like to be able to see them in the cross-references panel at the bottom screen but have failed so far. Any ideas? Thanks, Jakob.
Re: find all xrefs for an ID in FrameMaker?
Bill, Matt, good idea, the index of markers. I very rarely use them, so I completely forgot about them. I'll try that for starters. The need is indeed to find all cross references for a given element. I must admit my reference for this stems from Oxygen XML's behaviour where you execute an Xpath query for a document and it then shows, across the bottom of the screen, a list of all found elements which are clickable and lead you to the item in the document. In the "Structured Authoring" workspace (on of the default ones), at the bottom of the screen of FrameMaker 9, there is a panel called "Cross References" which lists the xrefs for the current document or any other that you choose and that's open. It closely resembles what I've encountered in Oxygen XML, but it's not easily possible to restrict its display to those xrefs that point to a given element. I may indeed post this to the wish list for a future version as suggested by Matt. cheers, Jakob. [did I say we're using FrameMaker 9, structured mode?] On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 18:35, Bill Swallow wrote: > You can also create an Index of Markers and choose the xref marker > format to get a full list of every xref, I believe by target. I don't > have FM handy at the moment to check. > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Bill Swallow wrote: >> Use the Find/Replace dialog to search for Marker Text and type in the >> ID attribute. It should find them all. I'm not sure what you mean by >> seeing them all in the xref panel at the bottom of the screen, though. >> What are you trying to do, exactly? What is your need? > > -- > Bill Swallow > > Twitter: @techcommdood > Blog: http://techcommdood.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood > > Available for contract and full time opportunities. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
find all xrefs for an ID in FrameMaker?
Hi, I'd like to find all cross-references to a given element identified by its ID attribute, preferably across a book. I'd like to be able to see them in the cross-references panel at the bottom screen but have failed so far. Any ideas? Thanks, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
problems with long URLs in PDFs
Shlomo, that's a very nice explanation of our problem, thank you! Also, in this context, your recommendations make perfect sense. Does MicroType or another software developper possibly propose a tool/plugin that can automate the hypertext link creation part based on an element in our structured FrameMaker documents? cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 22:05, Shlomo Perets wrote: > Jakob, > >> > co-workers of mine have trouble with some long URLs that break over >> > lines and some may also contain "special" characters such as question >> > marks or parentheses. Please note that we're using Acrobat to create >> > the PDF and that the Generate Tagged PDF option is selected (as >> > documented here: http://www.frameusers.com/2007/09/ second article). ... > > When a PDF does not have "real" links, you are relying on Acrobat/Reader > "Create Links from URLs" preference (Edit > Preferences, General; in > versions 7 it is called "Automatically detect URLs from text"). > > With all versions of Acrobat/Reader: when longer web links that are split > between lines are auto-detected, only the portion present in the first line > is used, resulting in an incorrect or partial link. > > The presence of special characters may also "disturb" the auto-detection, > and truncate the resulting link. There are some variations as to special > characters causing the problems, depending on the Acrobat/Reader version > being used. > > To have fully-functional links in all versions of Reader, I recommend adding > hypertext links in FrameMaker (as Lief suggested), so that a "real" links > are present in the PDF (and not relying on auto-detected ones). > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType * http://www.microtype.com > FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat > TimeSavers/Assistants > > >
Re: problems with long URLs in PDFs
Shlomo, that's a very nice explanation of our problem, thank you! Also, in this context, your recommendations make perfect sense. Does MicroType or another software developper possibly propose a tool/plugin that can automate the hypertext link creation part based on an element in our structured FrameMaker documents? cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 22:05, Shlomo Perets wrote: > Jakob, > >> > co-workers of mine have trouble with some long URLs that break over >> > lines and some may also contain "special" characters such as question >> > marks or parentheses. Please note that we're using Acrobat to create >> > the PDF and that the Generate Tagged PDF option is selected (as >> > documented here: http://www.frameusers.com/2007/09/ second article). ... > > When a PDF does not have "real" links, you are relying on Acrobat/Reader > "Create Links from URLs" preference (Edit > Preferences, General; in > versions 7 it is called "Automatically detect URLs from text"). > > With all versions of Acrobat/Reader: when longer web links that are split > between lines are auto-detected, only the portion present in the first line > is used, resulting in an incorrect or partial link. > > The presence of special characters may also "disturb" the auto-detection, > and truncate the resulting link. There are some variations as to special > characters causing the problems, depending on the Acrobat/Reader version > being used. > > To have fully-functional links in all versions of Reader, I recommend adding > hypertext links in FrameMaker (as Lief suggested), so that a "real" links > are present in the PDF (and not relying on auto-detected ones). > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType * http://www.microtype.com > FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat > TimeSavers/Assistants > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
problems with long URLs in PDFs
Hi Lief, all, thanks for your reply. We know we can do this, but that's manual, isn't it, and we're looking for ways to automate this as much as possible. I should probably have mentioned that we're using structured FrameMaker, and we have an element called hyperlink that, similar to DocBook, has a an attribute containing the link and its contents is displayed as the label. And it's with this scenario that we're encountering the problems described earlier. cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 17:50, Lief Erickson wrote: > Hi Jakob-- > > When you add the URL in FrameMaker are you then adding a "Go to URL" > Hypertext marker through Special > Hypertext > Go to URL? If you do that, > then apply a character tag to the text, the link should work, even if it > breaks across lines because it is the character tag that becomes the link. > I've never add any problems with any URLs I've added using Special > > Hypertext. I've never relied on Acrobat to create my URL links for me, so I > can't comment on that. > > If you are using Special > Hypertext, have you tried adding " " around URLs > with special characters? > > -Lief > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:37 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: problems with long URLs in PDFs > > Hi, > > co-workers of mine have trouble with some long URLs that break over > lines and some may also contain "special" characters such as question > marks or parentheses. Please note that we're using Acrobat to create > the PDF and that the Generate Tagged PDF option is selected (as > documented here: http://www.frameusers.com/2007/09/ second article). > We use the latest patched FrameMaker 8. > > Here are some samples of this problem, I give as the "underlying link" > what FrameMaker and Acrobat thought should be the URL to use: > > - line break (indicated as [LB]) and question mark in URL: > http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm?[LB]issuetocid=14&ArchiveIssueID=5 > underlying link:?http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm? > > - parentheses in URLs: > http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa(2007)31-final > underlying link: > http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa > > - two URLs on same line become one: > International Transport Forum, for the OECD/ITF Global Forum on > Transport and Environment in [LB] > a Globalising World, held in Guadalajara, Mexico, 10-12 November 2008 > (www.oecd.org/dataoecd/ [LB] > 12/53/41612575.pdf ?and > www.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ [LB > Environmental.pdf). Some paragraphs are also taken from the paper The > Impact of Globalisation on [LB] > > underlying link (note concatenated links + text): > http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/12/53/41612575.pdfandwww.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ > Environmental.pdf > > > Thanks for any input. > > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as lief at netinst.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > This email has been scanned. > > > This email has been scanned. This e-mail (including any attachments) is > confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended > recipient or an authorized representative of an intended recipient, you are > prohibited from using, copying or distributing the information in this e-mail > or its attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify > the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message > and any attachments. >
problems with long URLs in PDFs
Hi, co-workers of mine have trouble with some long URLs that break over lines and some may also contain "special" characters such as question marks or parentheses. Please note that we're using Acrobat to create the PDF and that the Generate Tagged PDF option is selected (as documented here: http://www.frameusers.com/2007/09/ second article). We use the latest patched FrameMaker 8. Here are some samples of this problem, I give as the "underlying link" what FrameMaker and Acrobat thought should be the URL to use: - line break (indicated as [LB]) and question mark in URL: http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm?[LB]issuetocid=14&ArchiveIssueID=5 underlying link:?http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm? - parentheses in URLs: http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa(2007)31-final underlying link: http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa - two URLs on same line become one: International Transport Forum, for the OECD/ITF Global Forum on Transport and Environment in [LB] a Globalising World, held in Guadalajara, Mexico, 10-12 November 2008 (www.oecd.org/dataoecd/ [LB] 12/53/41612575.pdf and www.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ [LB Environmental.pdf). Some paragraphs are also taken from the paper The Impact of Globalisation on [LB] underlying link (note concatenated links + text): http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/12/53/41612575.pdfandwww.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ Environmental.pdf Thanks for any input. cheers, Jakob.
Re: problems with long URLs in PDFs
Hi Lief, all, thanks for your reply. We know we can do this, but that's manual, isn't it, and we're looking for ways to automate this as much as possible. I should probably have mentioned that we're using structured FrameMaker, and we have an element called hyperlink that, similar to DocBook, has a an attribute containing the link and its contents is displayed as the label. And it's with this scenario that we're encountering the problems described earlier. cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 17:50, Lief Erickson wrote: > Hi Jakob-- > > When you add the URL in FrameMaker are you then adding a "Go to URL" > Hypertext marker through Special > Hypertext > Go to URL? If you do that, > then apply a character tag to the text, the link should work, even if it > breaks across lines because it is the character tag that becomes the link. > I've never add any problems with any URLs I've added using Special > > Hypertext. I've never relied on Acrobat to create my URL links for me, so I > can't comment on that. > > If you are using Special > Hypertext, have you tried adding " " around URLs > with special characters? > > -Lief > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:37 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: problems with long URLs in PDFs > > Hi, > > co-workers of mine have trouble with some long URLs that break over > lines and some may also contain "special" characters such as question > marks or parentheses. Please note that we're using Acrobat to create > the PDF and that the Generate Tagged PDF option is selected (as > documented here: http://www.frameusers.com/2007/09/ second article). > We use the latest patched FrameMaker 8. > > Here are some samples of this problem, I give as the "underlying link" > what FrameMaker and Acrobat thought should be the URL to use: > > - line break (indicated as [LB]) and question mark in URL: > http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm?[LB]issuetocid=14&ArchiveIssueID=5 > underlying link: http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm? > > - parentheses in URLs: > http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa(2007)31-final > underlying link: > http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa > > - two URLs on same line become one: > International Transport Forum, for the OECD/ITF Global Forum on > Transport and Environment in [LB] > a Globalising World, held in Guadalajara, Mexico, 10-12 November 2008 > (www.oecd.org/dataoecd/ [LB] > 12/53/41612575.pdf and > www.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ [LB > Environmental.pdf). Some paragraphs are also taken from the paper The > Impact of Globalisation on [LB] > > underlying link (note concatenated links + text): > http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/12/53/41612575.pdfandwww.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ > Environmental.pdf > > > Thanks for any input. > > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as l...@netinst.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > This email has been scanned. > > > This email has been scanned. This e-mail (including any attachments) is > confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended > recipient or an authorized representative of an intended recipient, you are > prohibited from using, copying or distributing the information in this e-mail > or its attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify > the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message > and any attachments. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
problems with long URLs in PDFs
Hi, co-workers of mine have trouble with some long URLs that break over lines and some may also contain "special" characters such as question marks or parentheses. Please note that we're using Acrobat to create the PDF and that the Generate Tagged PDF option is selected (as documented here: http://www.frameusers.com/2007/09/ second article). We use the latest patched FrameMaker 8. Here are some samples of this problem, I give as the "underlying link" what FrameMaker and Acrobat thought should be the URL to use: - line break (indicated as [LB]) and question mark in URL: http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm?[LB]issuetocid=14&ArchiveIssueID=5 underlying link: http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/Article.cfm? - parentheses in URLs: http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa(2007)31-final underlying link: http://www.olis.oecd.org/olis/2007doc.nsf/linkto/com-env-epoc-ctpa-cfa - two URLs on same line become one: International Transport Forum, for the OECD/ITF Global Forum on Transport and Environment in [LB] a Globalising World, held in Guadalajara, Mexico, 10-12 November 2008 (www.oecd.org/dataoecd/ [LB] 12/53/41612575.pdf and www.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ [LB Environmental.pdf). Some paragraphs are also taken from the paper The Impact of Globalisation on [LB] underlying link (note concatenated links + text): http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/12/53/41612575.pdfandwww.internationaltransportforum.org/2009/workshops/pdf/ Environmental.pdf Thanks for any input. cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
control the size of the element tags in document
thanks Scott, that was kind of what I was expecting. cheers, Jakob. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 18:05, Scott Prentice wrote: > Other than by changing the zoom size of the whole document, I've never seen > a way to do this. > > ...scott > > > Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been asked whether it's possible to control the font size of the >> element tags that are displayed in the document when View > Element >> Boundaries (as Tags) is activated. I looked in the maker.ini file but >> didn't find anything that seemed related. >> >> Is there? >> >> Jakob. >> >> >
Re: control the size of the element tags in document
thanks Scott, that was kind of what I was expecting. cheers, Jakob. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 18:05, Scott Prentice wrote: > Other than by changing the zoom size of the whole document, I've never seen > a way to do this. > > ...scott > > > Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've been asked whether it's possible to control the font size of the >> element tags that are displayed in the document when View > Element >> Boundaries (as Tags) is activated. I looked in the maker.ini file but >> didn't find anything that seemed related. >> >> Is there? >> >> Jakob. >> >> > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
control the size of the element tags in document
Hi, I've been asked whether it's possible to control the font size of the element tags that are displayed in the document when View > Element Boundaries (as Tags) is activated. I looked in the maker.ini file but didn't find anything that seemed related. Is there? Jakob.
control the size of the element tags in document
Hi, I've been asked whether it's possible to control the font size of the element tags that are displayed in the document when View > Element Boundaries (as Tags) is activated. I looked in the maker.ini file but didn't find anything that seemed related. Is there? Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in with ideas, comments and help for their replies. Initially, I thought the fact that we generate the files with Miramo was secondary, but thanks to the list I was proven wrong. I've learned a lot today, and it was a pleasure doing so. The matter is now in the capable hands of the Miramo support staff who actually monitor this list as I found out. Thanks again. Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:33, Jakob Fix wrote: > Hello, > > I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of > posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the > workarounds and solutions work for us. ?Please allow me to expose the > problem: > > We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents > which contain one table each. For information, both the documents and > the book are generated by Miramo. ?Opening the documents directly > (i.e. not via the book), we can ascertain that they really are > one-page documents. > > However, on opening a file via the book (which also happens when > regenerating the book), a second page is added to the file. Although > this page could be removed manually (special > delete page) and would > not re-appear after another regeneration, given the sheer number of > files this is not an option. > > These are our settings: > - next available page is applied to all document via the book-level > pagination command > - double-sided pagination > - all files use the standard left/right masterpages > - on save or print: delete empty pages > > We're using FrameMaker 8. > > Thanks, > Jakob. >
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Thanks Stuart, all very useful information. It's been some time that I haven't used FrameMaker in-depth ... Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:24, Stuart Rogers wrote: > Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I >> checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first >> paragraph (which is actually the table itself). > > The table itself, the Table Title pgf, or the pgf containing the table > anchor? ?All three have their own Start settings that you should check. > >> >> On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is >> toggled on) is the ? sign. Another observation for which I don't have >> an explanation is that the page numbers that are displayed in the >> status bar for each book component file are followed by an asterisk, >> like this: Pages: 180-181 * ?Does that mean they've been modified? > > The asterisk means the file has been modified, although you may not have > modified the content yourself. ?Something as simple as changing the zoom > counts as "modification". ?Also, if you generate a TOC or cross-reference > from another file, FM inserts markers thereby also modifying the files. > >> >> Oh, and we're not using chapters at all (at least not knowingly). The >> numbering for chapters is "as is" -- I could change this to "continue >> numbering from previous file". > > Each file that is part of a book is commonly called a "chapter", whether you > title it as such or not. ?The numbering properties don't affect pagination, > so don't worry about changing that. > > HTH > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers phoenix-geophysics com > > "Developers explain How the Product Works. > Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." >
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Please find a screenshot of the section break/discontinued page here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfix/4190175063/sizes/o/ Page eight is the first page, page nine the last page of the document. Although Rick explained it to me, I still have problems recognizing that this is a disconnected page rather than simply another page containing an empty paragraph. Jakob. PS: as it's almost 8pm in my time zone, I will not be able to respond as promptly as you all did :( On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:25, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I forgot to mention that Jabok send me some of his files to look at. That's > how I knew about the disconnected page. > > Rick > > Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the possibility of a disconnected page. > But the last page of the doc is always going to have a section symbol > (end of flow). > > If the second page is a disconnected page, then the first page also has > a section symbol (end of flow), and Jakob didn't mention that. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jakob.fix at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jakob.fix%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
You're all right of course, the best thing would be to fix the file generation by Miramo. Barring that, FrameScript seems like an acceptable fall-back solution. Thanks for everybody's replies and help, it's been most helpful to understand a problem we're fighting with for a quite long time! cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:49, Combs, Richard wrote: > Jakob Fix wrote: > >> So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't >> delete it. ?Which makes perfect sense. >> >> Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and >> it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already >> two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty >> paragraph. Mea culpa! >> >> Which leads me to the question: How can I get rid of the empty >> paragraph, and thence the second page? ?Any tools, plugins, scripts? > > It could be done easily with FrameScript. In fact, one of the sample > scripts I got with FS, DeleteEmptyParagraphs.fsl, does the job at the > doc level, and it wouldn't be hard to add a wrapper that made it work > for all docs in a book. > > But an even better approach, IMO, would be to prevent your Miramo > process from creating these empty pgfs in the first place. :-) > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > >
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:07, Art Campbell wrote: > The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have > content there even if there's no textual content. So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't delete it. Which makes perfect sense. Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty paragraph. Mea culpa! Which leads me to the question: How can I get rid of the empty paragraph, and thence the second page? Any tools, plugins, scripts? Jakob.
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first paragraph (which is actually the table itself). On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is toggled on) is the ? sign. Another observation for which I don't have an explanation is that the page numbers that are displayed in the status bar for each book component file are followed by an asterisk, like this: Pages: 180-181 * Does that mean they've been modified? Bill, I've double-checked the pagination settings for the book by choosing "Format > Page Layout > Pagination ..." with the book being the active file and all component files being selected. The settings are correct: double-sided, next available, delete empty pages Art, no we don't use the files outside the book context. This was just to make sure that Miramo is correctly producing one-page files. If I understand correctly, file settings are of no importance from the book perspective. Now, how can I "take" the file's apparently correct settings and apply them to the book? Oh, and we're not using chapters at all (at least not knowingly). The numbering for chapters is "as is" -- I could change this to "continue numbering from previous file". thanks, Jakob.
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Hello, I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the workarounds and solutions work for us. ?Please allow me to expose the problem: We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents which contain one table each. For information, both the documents and the book are generated by Miramo. ?Opening the documents directly (i.e. not via the book), we can ascertain that they really are one-page documents. However, on opening a file via the book (which also happens when regenerating the book), a second page is added to the file. Although this page could be removed manually (special > delete page) and would not re-appear after another regeneration, given the sheer number of files this is not an option. These are our settings: - next available page is applied to all document via the book-level pagination command - double-sided pagination - all files use the standard left/right masterpages - on save or print: delete empty pages We're using FrameMaker 8. Thanks, Jakob.
Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
I would just like to thank everybody on the list who chimed in with ideas, comments and help for their replies. Initially, I thought the fact that we generate the files with Miramo was secondary, but thanks to the list I was proven wrong. I've learned a lot today, and it was a pleasure doing so. The matter is now in the capable hands of the Miramo support staff who actually monitor this list as I found out. Thanks again. Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:33, Jakob Fix wrote: > Hello, > > I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of > posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the > workarounds and solutions work for us. Please allow me to expose the > problem: > > We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents > which contain one table each. For information, both the documents and > the book are generated by Miramo. Opening the documents directly > (i.e. not via the book), we can ascertain that they really are > one-page documents. > > However, on opening a file via the book (which also happens when > regenerating the book), a second page is added to the file. Although > this page could be removed manually (special > delete page) and would > not re-appear after another regeneration, given the sheer number of > files this is not an option. > > These are our settings: > - next available page is applied to all document via the book-level > pagination command > - double-sided pagination > - all files use the standard left/right masterpages > - on save or print: delete empty pages > > We're using FrameMaker 8. > > Thanks, > Jakob. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Thanks Stuart, all very useful information. It's been some time that I haven't used FrameMaker in-depth ... Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:24, Stuart Rogers wrote: > Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I >> checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first >> paragraph (which is actually the table itself). > > The table itself, the Table Title pgf, or the pgf containing the table > anchor? All three have their own Start settings that you should check. > >> >> On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is >> toggled on) is the § sign. Another observation for which I don't have >> an explanation is that the page numbers that are displayed in the >> status bar for each book component file are followed by an asterisk, >> like this: Pages: 180-181 * Does that mean they've been modified? > > The asterisk means the file has been modified, although you may not have > modified the content yourself. Something as simple as changing the zoom > counts as "modification". Also, if you generate a TOC or cross-reference > from another file, FM inserts markers thereby also modifying the files. > >> >> Oh, and we're not using chapters at all (at least not knowingly). The >> numbering for chapters is "as is" -- I could change this to "continue >> numbering from previous file". > > Each file that is part of a book is commonly called a "chapter", whether you > title it as such or not. The numbering properties don't affect pagination, > so don't worry about changing that. > > HTH > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers phoenix-geophysics com > > "Developers explain How the Product Works. > Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Please find a screenshot of the section break/discontinued page here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jfix/4190175063/sizes/o/ Page eight is the first page, page nine the last page of the document. Although Rick explained it to me, I still have problems recognizing that this is a disconnected page rather than simply another page containing an empty paragraph. Jakob. PS: as it's almost 8pm in my time zone, I will not be able to respond as promptly as you all did :( On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:25, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I forgot to mention that Jabok send me some of his files to look at. That's > how I knew about the disconnected page. > > Rick > > Hmm, I'd forgotten to consider the possibility of a disconnected page. > But the last page of the doc is always going to have a section symbol > (end of flow). > > If the second page is a disconnected page, then the first page also has > a section symbol (end of flow), and Jakob didn't mention that. > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jakob@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jakob.fix%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
You're all right of course, the best thing would be to fix the file generation by Miramo. Barring that, FrameScript seems like an acceptable fall-back solution. Thanks for everybody's replies and help, it's been most helpful to understand a problem we're fighting with for a quite long time! cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:49, Combs, Richard wrote: > Jakob Fix wrote: > >> So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't >> delete it. Which makes perfect sense. >> >> Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and >> it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already >> two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty >> paragraph. Mea culpa! >> >> Which leads me to the question: How can I get rid of the empty >> paragraph, and thence the second page? Any tools, plugins, scripts? > > It could be done easily with FrameScript. In fact, one of the sample > scripts I got with FS, DeleteEmptyParagraphs.fsl, does the job at the > doc level, and it wouldn't be hard to add a wrapper that made it work > for all docs in a book. > > But an even better approach, IMO, would be to prevent your Miramo > process from creating these empty pgfs in the first place. :-) > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:07, Art Campbell wrote: > The Section symbol is a paragraph. So if it's on the second page... you have > content there even if there's no textual content. So this means that Frame doesn't consider it an empty page and doesn't delete it. Which makes perfect sense. Also, I just ran Miramo again to regenerate the FrameMaker files and it turns out that I was wrong, and the initial documents are already two-page documents with the second page containing simply an empty paragraph. Mea culpa! Which leads me to the question: How can I get rid of the empty paragraph, and thence the second page? Any tools, plugins, scripts? Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Richard, I should have said this in my initial message, but yes I checked this and found the Pagination > Start: Anywhere for the first paragraph (which is actually the table itself). On the second page the only thing that's visible (if text symbols is toggled on) is the § sign. Another observation for which I don't have an explanation is that the page numbers that are displayed in the status bar for each book component file are followed by an asterisk, like this: Pages: 180-181 * Does that mean they've been modified? Bill, I've double-checked the pagination settings for the book by choosing "Format > Page Layout > Pagination ..." with the book being the active file and all component files being selected. The settings are correct: double-sided, next available, delete empty pages Art, no we don't use the files outside the book context. This was just to make sure that Miramo is correctly producing one-page files. If I understand correctly, file settings are of no importance from the book perspective. Now, how can I "take" the file's apparently correct settings and apply them to the book? Oh, and we're not using chapters at all (at least not knowingly). The numbering for chapters is "as is" -- I could change this to "continue numbering from previous file". thanks, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
how to prevent empty pages in a book? (part xxviii)
Hello, I've now spent hours scouring the list archive and reading dozens of posts dealing with apparently the same problem as us, but none of the workarounds and solutions work for us. Please allow me to expose the problem: We have a book containing about 500 unstructured one-page documents which contain one table each. For information, both the documents and the book are generated by Miramo. Opening the documents directly (i.e. not via the book), we can ascertain that they really are one-page documents. However, on opening a file via the book (which also happens when regenerating the book), a second page is added to the file. Although this page could be removed manually (special > delete page) and would not re-appear after another regeneration, given the sheer number of files this is not an option. These are our settings: - next available page is applied to all document via the book-level pagination command - double-sided pagination - all files use the standard left/right masterpages - on save or print: delete empty pages We're using FrameMaker 8. Thanks, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
custom text plugin wanted
Hi Scott, I will try your advice about unwrapping the root element and see if that works, although this won't be a satisfactory solution for the authors. Please let me know when you release a new version of StructureSnippets which can also handle simple text nodes. cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 19:04, Scott Prentice wrote: > Hi Jakob... > > Regarding StructureSnippets .. you can manually edit the "snippet" files to > unwrap the root element to leave just the plain text. This may help in the > short term, and I'll look into updating the plugin to accommodate plain text > (CDATA) nodes as a standard feature. > > Adding the ability to create and manage custom toolbars would be a bit of > work, and could probably be a plugin of its own. If you don't find such a > tool (I'm not aware of one), I'd be happy to look into developing it. > > Cheers, > > ...scott > > Scott Prentice > Leximation, Inc. > www.leximation.com > +1.415.485.1892 > > > > Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool >> (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured). >> One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the >> possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and >> associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they >> accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets >> and thus avoided speling errors. >> >> I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. ?I have found >> Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our >> requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured, >> text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root >> element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar, >> one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box. >> >> Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be >> interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this >> list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather >> than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be: >> - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text >> (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in >> FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as >> context menu or modeless dialogue) >> - store them persistently in between sessions >> - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete >> a button and its associated snippet) >> - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons >> >> cheers, >> Jakob. >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as sp at leximation.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp%40leximation.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> >
custom text plugin wanted
Thanks Art, that looks useful indeed. I'll give it a try soon. cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 15:11, Art Campbell wrote: > I think AutoText will do all, or most, of the stuff you want. > http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html > > Art Campbell > ? ? ? ? ?art.campbell at gmail.com > ?"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?No disclaimers apply. > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool >> (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured). >> One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the >> possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and >> associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they >> accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets >> and thus avoided speling errors. >> >> I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. ?I have found >> Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our >> requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured, >> text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root >> element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar, >> one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box. >> >> Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be >> interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this >> list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather >> than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be: >> - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text >> (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in >> FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as >> context menu or modeless dialogue) >> - store them persistently in between sessions >> - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete >> a button and its associated snippet) >> - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons >> >> cheers, >> Jakob. >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Re: custom text plugin wanted
Hi Scott, I will try your advice about unwrapping the root element and see if that works, although this won't be a satisfactory solution for the authors. Please let me know when you release a new version of StructureSnippets which can also handle simple text nodes. cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 19:04, Scott Prentice wrote: > Hi Jakob... > > Regarding StructureSnippets .. you can manually edit the "snippet" files to > unwrap the root element to leave just the plain text. This may help in the > short term, and I'll look into updating the plugin to accommodate plain text > (CDATA) nodes as a standard feature. > > Adding the ability to create and manage custom toolbars would be a bit of > work, and could probably be a plugin of its own. If you don't find such a > tool (I'm not aware of one), I'd be happy to look into developing it. > > Cheers, > > ...scott > > Scott Prentice > Leximation, Inc. > www.leximation.com > +1.415.485.1892 > > > > Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool >> (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured). >> One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the >> possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and >> associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they >> accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets >> and thus avoided speling errors. >> >> I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. I have found >> Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our >> requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured, >> text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root >> element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar, >> one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box. >> >> Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be >> interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this >> list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather >> than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be: >> - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text >> (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in >> FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as >> context menu or modeless dialogue) >> - store them persistently in between sessions >> - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete >> a button and its associated snippet) >> - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons >> >> cheers, >> Jakob. >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as s...@leximation.com. >> >> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp%40leximation.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: custom text plugin wanted
Thanks Art, that looks useful indeed. I'll give it a try soon. cheers, Jakob. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 15:11, Art Campbell wrote: > I think AutoText will do all, or most, of the stuff you want. > http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jakob Fix wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool >> (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured). >> One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the >> possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and >> associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they >> accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets >> and thus avoided speling errors. >> >> I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. I have found >> Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our >> requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured, >> text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root >> element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar, >> one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box. >> >> Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be >> interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this >> list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather >> than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be: >> - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text >> (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in >> FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as >> context menu or modeless dialogue) >> - store them persistently in between sessions >> - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete >> a button and its associated snippet) >> - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons >> >> cheers, >> Jakob. >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. >> >> Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
custom text plugin wanted
Hello, We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured). One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets and thus avoided speling errors. I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. I have found Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured, text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar, one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box. Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be: - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as context menu or modeless dialogue) - store them persistently in between sessions - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete a button and its associated snippet) - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons cheers, Jakob.
custom text plugin wanted
Hello, We're looking at weaning our authors off a previous XML authoring tool (Syntext Serna) and get them accustomed to FrameMaker 9 (structured). One of the things they really liked with the previous tool was the possibility to create easily graphical buttons in the menu bar and associate them with a text or structured snippet. Over time they accumulated a long row of icons used to quickly insert these snippets and thus avoided speling errors. I'm looking for an equivalent solution for FrameMaker 9. I have found Leximation's StructureSnippets plugin which is very close our requirements but apparently does not allow for non-structured, text-only contents (each snippet must be surrounded by a root element). Although this plugin does not provide icons in the menu bar, one can use the context menu, the keyboard or the modeless dialog box. Unless somebody can suggest a solution to my problem, I would be interested to hear from the FrameMaker customisation experts on this list about the work necessary to implement this plugin (in FDK rather than FrameScript). Requirements in a nutshell would be: - provide a way to easily associate unstructured or structured text (up to 1024 chars, this limit is for guidance only) with a button in FrameMaker's menu bar (and optionally other access methods such as context menu or modeless dialogue) - store them persistently in between sessions - allow for easy management (i.e. list buttons, add, modify and delete a button and its associated snippet) - as a plus, allow for custom icons to be used for the buttons cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM files unaccessible on file server [RESOLVED]
[this didn't get through the first time around ...] Hi everybody, I thought I owe it to the list (and to the archive) to report our investigation and resolution of the problem we've encountered. Problem: Files were inaccessible on a central file server for a random period of time, a message about the user not having access to this file was displayed in a dialog box. Resolution: Looking on the server's Computer Management console, System Tools, Shared Folders, Open Files list, we noticed that the inaccessible files were always "accessed by" another user than the actual person working on the files. ?The open mode was "no access". We then concentrated on this person's machine and found that she had Windows Search activated and the network share containing the incriminated files had been added to the list of locations that should be indexed ... Obviously, whenever one of FrameMaker's lck and fm files was modified, Windows Search grabbed it and put a lock onto it in order to be able to index it properly. This in turn made it impossible for FrameMaker to correctly save the file. ?Removing the network share from the list of indexed locations, resolved our problem of inaccessible files. Recommendation: don't use Windows Search (or other services that lock files) on directories that contain FrameMaker files, or at least explicitly exclude fm and lck files. We didn't have any complains since we made the change described above. ?Hope this helps the few people who encountered the same problems as we did. cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:48, Jakob Fix wrote: > Hello, > > we have intermittent problems with access to FM files stored on a > central file server (running Windows 2003 Server). When trying to open > a document, users get a FrameMaker popup like this: > > You do not have read access to \\server\path\to\file.fm. > > Investigating directly on the server, I found that in the Computer > Management console, System Tools, Shared Folders, Open Files, one of > the listed files is of the form \\server\path\to\file.fm.8AD (note the > file extension which seems to indicate a temporary file?), where the > "Open Mode" is "no access". This particular file is not shown in the > Windows Explorer. > > I have asked our IT department for help, but I wonder if people on > this list may have had similar problems and can advise.? Usually, when > IT finally looks at the problem, the file has become accessible again > ... > > We're currently using FrameMaker 8. > > Thanks for any and all help. > > cheers, > Jakob. >
Re: FM files unaccessible on file server [RESOLVED]
[this didn't get through the first time around ...] Hi everybody, I thought I owe it to the list (and to the archive) to report our investigation and resolution of the problem we've encountered. Problem: Files were inaccessible on a central file server for a random period of time, a message about the user not having access to this file was displayed in a dialog box. Resolution: Looking on the server's Computer Management console, System Tools, Shared Folders, Open Files list, we noticed that the inaccessible files were always "accessed by" another user than the actual person working on the files. The open mode was "no access". We then concentrated on this person's machine and found that she had Windows Search activated and the network share containing the incriminated files had been added to the list of locations that should be indexed ... Obviously, whenever one of FrameMaker's lck and fm files was modified, Windows Search grabbed it and put a lock onto it in order to be able to index it properly. This in turn made it impossible for FrameMaker to correctly save the file. Removing the network share from the list of indexed locations, resolved our problem of inaccessible files. Recommendation: don't use Windows Search (or other services that lock files) on directories that contain FrameMaker files, or at least explicitly exclude fm and lck files. We didn't have any complains since we made the change described above. Hope this helps the few people who encountered the same problems as we did. cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:48, Jakob Fix wrote: > Hello, > > we have intermittent problems with access to FM files stored on a > central file server (running Windows 2003 Server). When trying to open > a document, users get a FrameMaker popup like this: > > You do not have read access to \\server\path\to\file.fm. > > Investigating directly on the server, I found that in the Computer > Management console, System Tools, Shared Folders, Open Files, one of > the listed files is of the form \\server\path\to\file.fm.8AD (note the > file extension which seems to indicate a temporary file?), where the > "Open Mode" is "no access". This particular file is not shown in the > Windows Explorer. > > I have asked our IT department for help, but I wonder if people on > this list may have had similar problems and can advise. Usually, when > IT finally looks at the problem, the file has become accessible again > ... > > We're currently using FrameMaker 8. > > Thanks for any and all help. > > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM files unaccessible on file server
Hello, we have intermittent problems with access to FM files stored on a central file server (running Windows 2003 Server). When trying to open a document, users get a FrameMaker popup like this: You do not have read access to \\server\path\to\file.fm. Investigating directly on the server, I found that in the Computer Management console, System Tools, Shared Folders, Open Files, one of the listed files is of the form \\server\path\to\file.fm.8AD (note the file extension which seems to indicate a temporary file?), where the "Open Mode" is "no access". This particular file is not shown in the Windows Explorer. I have asked our IT department for help, but I wonder if people on this list may have had similar problems and can advise. Usually, when IT finally looks at the problem, the file has become accessible again ... We're currently using FrameMaker 8. Thanks for any and all help. cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM files unaccessible on file server
Hello, we have intermittent problems with access to FM files stored on a central file server (running Windows 2003 Server). When trying to open a document, users get a FrameMaker popup like this: You do not have read access to \\server\path\to\file.fm. Investigating directly on the server, I found that in the Computer Management console, System Tools, Shared Folders, Open Files, one of the listed files is of the form \\server\path\to\file.fm.8AD (note the file extension which seems to indicate a temporary file?), where the "Open Mode" is "no access". This particular file is not shown in the Windows Explorer. I have asked our IT department for help, but I wonder if people on this list may have had similar problems and can advise.? Usually, when IT finally looks at the problem, the file has become accessible again ... We're currently using FrameMaker 8. Thanks for any and all help. cheers, Jakob.
installation of FrameMaker 8 not completed - automatic rollback
Thanks for your replies so far everybody. Helen, I don't think we have the same problem because we do not install the PDF maker component (and never have). Also, the rollback + the reported message appear exactly one step before I'd expect the PDF Maker installation routine. Jack, I created a user as you suggested, but it didn't change a thing, unfortunately. Art, there is no antivirus on this machine (it's a dev machine, not connected to a network ...). And no, I haven't tried to reboot it into safe-mode (is this possible with Windows 2003 Server?). So, please let the suggestions coming! I may uninstall FrameMaker 7.0, just to see if it makes a difference. Thank you again, Jakob. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 15:36, Helen Borrie wrote: > At 09:51 PM 4/06/2009, Jakob Fix wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm trying to install FrameMaker 8 on a development machine running > Windows > >2003 Server. On this machine we already have FrameMaker 7.0. > > > >At the very end of the installation procedure (I had C:\Program > >Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8 open and saw the files) just before it says that > >everything is fine, I get this screen that says that a rollback is being > >performed. At the end, the installation wizard finishes with the > following > >screen: > > > >"The wizard was interrupted before Adobe FrameMaker 8 could be completely > >installed. Your system has not been modified. To complete installation at > >another time, please run setup again. Click Finish to exist the wizard." > > > >I have tried and succeded installing the same copy on a Windows XP Pro > >machine without problems. > > My experience was almost identical to yours, except that I had FM 6 > installed. I selected to do the full install. After the Framemaker part > finished, a new installer window came up for the PDF maker component. It > prewarned me that it would stop if it found something it didn't like. > Indeed, it found the PDF maker for Frame 6 and gave me the exact message > you report. So, if your experience paralleled mine then you have Framemaker > 8 installed but no compatible PDF Maker. > > I uninstalled Frame 6 altogether, as you can't uninstall the PDF writer > separately from the main app in v.6. In my case, the intention was to > install Acrobat 8 Pro anyway. Well, it's a long story of woe re Acro Pro 8 > - don't ask! - and I have now consigned it to the garbage and ordered > NitroPDF. Ultimately, I just went back to the Modify section of Add/Remove > Programs and post-installed the PDF maker from the Frame 8 CD. It's working > OK (so far!). > > >Also, I never had any problems installing > >different FrameMaker versions in parallel. Finally, yes I have > >administrative privileges on this machine. > > I had Frame 5 and 6 plus Acrobat Pro 6 living happily side by side for > years until I set about installing Frame 8. Now all that has changed. > > Helen > >
installation of FrameMaker 8 not completed - automatic rollback
Hi, I'm trying to install FrameMaker 8 on a development machine running Windows 2003 Server. On this machine we already have FrameMaker 7.0. At the very end of the installation procedure (I had C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8 open and saw the files) just before it says that everything is fine, I get this screen that says that a rollback is being performed. At the end, the installation wizard finishes with the following screen: "The wizard was interrupted before Adobe FrameMaker 8 could be completely installed. Your system has not been modified. To complete installation at another time, please run setup again. Click Finish to exist the wizard." I have tried and succeded installing the same copy on a Windows XP Pro machine without problems. Also, I never had any problems installing different FrameMaker versions in parallel. Finally, yes I have administrative privileges on this machine. Thanks for hints and help, Jakob.
Re: installation of FrameMaker 8 not completed - automatic rollback
Thanks for your replies so far everybody. Helen, I don't think we have the same problem because we do not install the PDF maker component (and never have). Also, the rollback + the reported message appear exactly one step before I'd expect the PDF Maker installation routine. Jack, I created a user as you suggested, but it didn't change a thing, unfortunately. Art, there is no antivirus on this machine (it's a dev machine, not connected to a network ...). And no, I haven't tried to reboot it into safe-mode (is this possible with Windows 2003 Server?). So, please let the suggestions coming! I may uninstall FrameMaker 7.0, just to see if it makes a difference. Thank you again, Jakob. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 15:36, Helen Borrie wrote: > At 09:51 PM 4/06/2009, Jakob Fix wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm trying to install FrameMaker 8 on a development machine running > Windows > >2003 Server. On this machine we already have FrameMaker 7.0. > > > >At the very end of the installation procedure (I had C:\Program > >Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8 open and saw the files) just before it says that > >everything is fine, I get this screen that says that a rollback is being > >performed. At the end, the installation wizard finishes with the > following > >screen: > > > >"The wizard was interrupted before Adobe FrameMaker 8 could be completely > >installed. Your system has not been modified. To complete installation at > >another time, please run setup again. Click Finish to exist the wizard." > > > >I have tried and succeded installing the same copy on a Windows XP Pro > >machine without problems. > > My experience was almost identical to yours, except that I had FM 6 > installed. I selected to do the full install. After the Framemaker part > finished, a new installer window came up for the PDF maker component. It > prewarned me that it would stop if it found something it didn't like. > Indeed, it found the PDF maker for Frame 6 and gave me the exact message > you report. So, if your experience paralleled mine then you have Framemaker > 8 installed but no compatible PDF Maker. > > I uninstalled Frame 6 altogether, as you can't uninstall the PDF writer > separately from the main app in v.6. In my case, the intention was to > install Acrobat 8 Pro anyway. Well, it's a long story of woe re Acro Pro 8 > - don't ask! - and I have now consigned it to the garbage and ordered > NitroPDF. Ultimately, I just went back to the Modify section of Add/Remove > Programs and post-installed the PDF maker from the Frame 8 CD. It's working > OK (so far!). > > >Also, I never had any problems installing > >different FrameMaker versions in parallel. Finally, yes I have > >administrative privileges on this machine. > > I had Frame 5 and 6 plus Acrobat Pro 6 living happily side by side for > years until I set about installing Frame 8. Now all that has changed. > > Helen > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
installation of FrameMaker 8 not completed - automatic rollback
Hi, I'm trying to install FrameMaker 8 on a development machine running Windows 2003 Server. On this machine we already have FrameMaker 7.0. At the very end of the installation procedure (I had C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8 open and saw the files) just before it says that everything is fine, I get this screen that says that a rollback is being performed. At the end, the installation wizard finishes with the following screen: "The wizard was interrupted before Adobe FrameMaker 8 could be completely installed. Your system has not been modified. To complete installation at another time, please run setup again. Click Finish to exist the wizard." I have tried and succeded installing the same copy on a Windows XP Pro machine without problems. Also, I never had any problems installing different FrameMaker versions in parallel. Finally, yes I have administrative privileges on this machine. Thanks for hints and help, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
conversion table question
Thanks Rick, now that we've managed to structure error-free documents, we no longer get the Id attributes. Weird. Anyway, thanks for your reply, as usual! :) On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Jakob, > > These Id and Idref attributes are usually created to facilitate converting > the unstructured cross-references to structured cross-references. There is > no way that I know of to change this attribute name during the conversion. I > use FrameScript to clean up the cross-references, including renaming the Id > and Idref attributes to match the final EDD. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > >> Hi, >> >> we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say) >> the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a >> conversion table. >> >> The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an >> *Id* (Mixed case) attribute. We use an unstructured document without >> any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is >> created and we don't know why and how. It is not created for all >> elements. >> >> We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created, >> but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring >> method? The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information >> concerning any attributes. I can provide the conversion table if that >> it helps. >> >> Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> -- >> cheers, >> Jakob. >> ___ > > -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: conversion table question
Thanks Rick, now that we've managed to structure error-free documents, we no longer get the Id attributes. Weird. Anyway, thanks for your reply, as usual! :) On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Jakob, > > These Id and Idref attributes are usually created to facilitate converting > the unstructured cross-references to structured cross-references. There is > no way that I know of to change this attribute name during the conversion. I > use FrameScript to clean up the cross-references, including renaming the Id > and Idref attributes to match the final EDD. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc > 585-659-8267 > www.frameexpert.com > >> Hi, >> >> we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say) >> the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a >> conversion table. >> >> The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an >> *Id* (Mixed case) attribute. We use an unstructured document without >> any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is >> created and we don't know why and how. It is not created for all >> elements. >> >> We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created, >> but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring >> method? The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information >> concerning any attributes. I can provide the conversion table if that >> it helps. >> >> Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> -- >> cheers, >> Jakob. >> ___ > > -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
conversion table question
Hi, we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say) the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a conversion table. The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an *Id* (Mixed case) attribute. We use an unstructured document without any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is created and we don't know why and how. It is not created for all elements. We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created, but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring method? The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information concerning any attributes. I can provide the conversion table if that it helps. Thanks in advance for your help. -- cheers, Jakob.
conversion table question
Hi, we're evaluating (rather successfully up to some point, I should say) the use of FM8 to structure an unstructured document using a conversion table. The one problem we encounter and can't pin down is the presence of an *Id* (Mixed case) attribute. We use an unstructured document without any EDD, and still the Id attribute (with a generated unique value) is created and we don't know why and how. It is not created for all elements. We would much more prefer to have id (lowercase) attributes created, but it seems that this is one of the shortcomings of the structuring method? The conversion table itself doesn't hold any information concerning any attributes. I can provide the conversion table if that it helps. Thanks in advance for your help. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
footnote trouble
Hi, This may be an easy one for you, but I have no idea and a deadline ... We have some footnotes in a structured FrameMaker document (7.2) where the call of the footnote is on one page, but the footnote itself finds itself on the next page. Usually, this is the case when the footnote call is on the last line of the page. This is annoying, of course. Is there a way how I can force call and footnote to be on the same page? thanks a lot in advance. -- cheers, Jakob.
footnote trouble
Hi, This may be an easy one for you, but I have no idea and a deadline ... We have some footnotes in a structured FrameMaker document (7.2) where the call of the footnote is on one page, but the footnote itself finds itself on the next page. Usually, this is the case when the footnote call is on the last line of the page. This is annoying, of course. Is there a way how I can force call and footnote to be on the same page? thanks a lot in advance. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
how to take an element out of the flow
Thanks Lynne, I'll give that a go. However, I must confess I do not really understand how the element will go in the table. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Lynne A. Price wrote: > Jakob, > 1) To make the box around the element change size to match the > content, make it a table. > > 2) You can automatically position the content at the bottom of the page > with a table whose single row has a minimum row height equal to the height > of the containing text frame and setting the vertical alignment to Bottom. > Unfortunately, this approach precludes using table ruling to draw a box > around the content. > > 3) Consider using XSLT to move the from the end of the document > to the beginning on the way into FrameMaker and back to the end on the way > out. > > --Lynne > > > At 03:50 PM 4/23/2008, Jakob Fix wrote: > > > > > I have a lot of XML files with the same structure which contain among > > other things an element variable amount of text here > > which comes as the last element of the document. Each document > > represents two or four pages of the final document. The > > element should appear inside a box on the bottom left corner of the > > first page in the FrameMaker document. Currently, we have to manually > > move the element in between two paragraphs of the preceding text in > > order to achieve the desired effect. > > > > I am wondering if there wasn't a way to automatically do this when > > importing the XML file? Such as somehow moving it to a Flow B which > > would be constituted by a rectangle in the bottom left corner of the > > first page. Or a text inset? A drawback is that the text inside the > > element is of variable length, so the box would need to be > > able to grow or to shrink. > > > > ...I would be really grateful for any pointers on how we could (even > > > > partially) automate this in some way or the other. We're using 7.0 at > > the moment, but considering a move to 8.x, probably even earlier if > > the new version were to solve this problem :) > > > > > Lynne A. Price > Text Structure Consulting, Inc. > Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, > and training > lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com > voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 > > -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: how to take an element out of the flow
Thanks Lynne, I'll give that a go. However, I must confess I do not really understand how the element will go in the table. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Lynne A. Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jakob, > 1) To make the box around the element change size to match the > content, make it a table. > > 2) You can automatically position the content at the bottom of the page > with a table whose single row has a minimum row height equal to the height > of the containing text frame and setting the vertical alignment to Bottom. > Unfortunately, this approach precludes using table ruling to draw a box > around the content. > > 3) Consider using XSLT to move the from the end of the document > to the beginning on the way into FrameMaker and back to the end on the way > out. > > --Lynne > > > At 03:50 PM 4/23/2008, Jakob Fix wrote: > > > > > I have a lot of XML files with the same structure which contain among > > other things an element variable amount of text here > > which comes as the last element of the document. Each document > > represents two or four pages of the final document. The > > element should appear inside a box on the bottom left corner of the > > first page in the FrameMaker document. Currently, we have to manually > > move the element in between two paragraphs of the preceding text in > > order to achieve the desired effect. > > > > I am wondering if there wasn't a way to automatically do this when > > importing the XML file? Such as somehow moving it to a Flow B which > > would be constituted by a rectangle in the bottom left corner of the > > first page. Or a text inset? A drawback is that the text inside the > > element is of variable length, so the box would need to be > > able to grow or to shrink. > > > > ...I would be really grateful for any pointers on how we could (even > > > > partially) automate this in some way or the other. We're using 7.0 at > > the moment, but considering a move to 8.x, probably even earlier if > > the new version were to solve this problem :) > > > > > Lynne A. Price > Text Structure Consulting, Inc. > Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, > and training > [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com > voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 > > -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
how to take an element out of the flow
Hello, I have a lot of XML files with the same structure which contain among other things an element variable amount of text here which comes as the last element of the document. Each document represents two or four pages of the final document. The element should appear inside a box on the bottom left corner of the first page in the FrameMaker document. Currently, we have to manually move the element in between two paragraphs of the preceding text in order to achieve the desired effect. I am wondering if there wasn't a way to automatically do this when importing the XML file? Such as somehow moving it to a Flow B which would be constituted by a rectangle in the bottom left corner of the first page. Or a text inset? A drawback is that the text inside the element is of variable length, so the box would need to be able to grow or to shrink. Is anybody facing similar problems, and possibly already has found a solution to this? I would be really grateful for any pointers on how we could (even partially) automate this in some way or the other. We're using 7.0 at the moment, but considering a move to 8.x, probably even earlier if the new version were to solve this problem :) cheers, Jakob.
how to take an element out of the flow
Hello, I have a lot of XML files with the same structure which contain among other things an element variable amount of text here which comes as the last element of the document. Each document represents two or four pages of the final document. The element should appear inside a box on the bottom left corner of the first page in the FrameMaker document. Currently, we have to manually move the element in between two paragraphs of the preceding text in order to achieve the desired effect. I am wondering if there wasn't a way to automatically do this when importing the XML file? Such as somehow moving it to a Flow B which would be constituted by a rectangle in the bottom left corner of the first page. Or a text inset? A drawback is that the text inside the element is of variable length, so the box would need to be able to grow or to shrink. Is anybody facing similar problems, and possibly already has found a solution to this? I would be really grateful for any pointers on how we could (even partially) automate this in some way or the other. We're using 7.0 at the moment, but considering a move to 8.x, probably even earlier if the new version were to solve this problem :) cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
importing/structuring docx into FrameMaker?
Hi Martin, thanks for your reply. The main problem I'm facing is that our authors are using a modified version of Word 2007. Even though this is a modified version which guides the author to use the appropriate paragraph and character styles, it will still export docx documents. So, in my situation the structuring process will not be a "one-shot" operation, but an ongoing process. Therefore, I am currently investigating means to convert Word documents to structured contents, and as we're using FrameMaker to prepare our publications for printing, my thought was that the structuring of an unstructured document might be a possible route. thanks again, -- cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:31 PM, wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > I have used the table mapping method to migrate unstructured content > into structured FrameMaker, though this method does have limitations. > It works well if your original documents are consistently formatted > throughout. Once the migration is complete, you still have some > cleanup work to do in terms of defining the hierarchical relationships > between elements in your final, structured document. > > I have had to migrate literally thousands of pages of legacy content > to structured FrameMaker, and consequently I developed an alternate > approach. I wrote a wizard in the FrameScript language that reads in > your EDD and then allows you to interactively structure your content. > The wizard positions your source and destination documents > side-by-side on the screen, and advances through your source document > one paragraph at a time. Using the wizard, you can select from a list > of valid elements to structure each paragraph. This approach allows > you to copy and structure your content at the same time. > > The wizard migrates all referenced graphics, FrameMaker graphic > objects, and index markers present in the original document. > > More information about this approach is available on my web site at > http://www.golehtek.com. > > I plan on offering a freely-available version of this wizard for > download in the near future. > > Meanwhile, if you are interested in using the wizard, contact me off > list and I will send it to you. Note that you will need FrameScript to > run the wizard. If you don?t already have FrameScript, a trial version > is available on the Finite Matters Limited web site at > http://www.framescript.com. > > Best regards, > > Martin > > Martin R. Smith > President: GolehTek, LLC > martin.smith at golehtek.com > 703-889-0845
importing/structuring docx into FrameMaker?
Thanks Yves, I will download the trial version of FM8 and run a couple of tests. -- cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > > Hi Jacob, > > well, it depends on a couple of things: > > > How do you wish to structure your documents? > What information model (DTD/Schema) do you wish to use? > Do you want to keep structured FM files or do you need XML? My experience is > that "Structure current document" using a conversion table does work, but I > use it for relatively simple documents. > > When I need to (re)structure documents to DITA, I use MIF2Go instead. > > Kind regards > > > Yves Barbion > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > Scripto > Belgium > > > > > Jakob Fix wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anybody is using the "Structure current document" > functionality in FM8 to structure imported Office 2007 documents, and > whether this method can be recommended, or whether there are > shortcomings that one should know about before going down this route. > >
Re: importing/structuring docx into FrameMaker?
Hi Martin, thanks for your reply. The main problem I'm facing is that our authors are using a modified version of Word 2007. Even though this is a modified version which guides the author to use the appropriate paragraph and character styles, it will still export docx documents. So, in my situation the structuring process will not be a "one-shot" operation, but an ongoing process. Therefore, I am currently investigating means to convert Word documents to structured contents, and as we're using FrameMaker to prepare our publications for printing, my thought was that the structuring of an unstructured document might be a possible route. thanks again, -- cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 3:31 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > I have used the table mapping method to migrate unstructured content > into structured FrameMaker, though this method does have limitations. > It works well if your original documents are consistently formatted > throughout. Once the migration is complete, you still have some > cleanup work to do in terms of defining the hierarchical relationships > between elements in your final, structured document. > > I have had to migrate literally thousands of pages of legacy content > to structured FrameMaker, and consequently I developed an alternate > approach. I wrote a wizard in the FrameScript language that reads in > your EDD and then allows you to interactively structure your content. > The wizard positions your source and destination documents > side-by-side on the screen, and advances through your source document > one paragraph at a time. Using the wizard, you can select from a list > of valid elements to structure each paragraph. This approach allows > you to copy and structure your content at the same time. > > The wizard migrates all referenced graphics, FrameMaker graphic > objects, and index markers present in the original document. > > More information about this approach is available on my web site at > http://www.golehtek.com. > > I plan on offering a freely-available version of this wizard for > download in the near future. > > Meanwhile, if you are interested in using the wizard, contact me off > list and I will send it to you. Note that you will need FrameScript to > run the wizard. If you don?t already have FrameScript, a trial version > is available on the Finite Matters Limited web site at > http://www.framescript.com. > > Best regards, > > Martin > > Martin R. Smith > President: GolehTek, LLC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 703-889-0845 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: importing/structuring docx into FrameMaker?
Thanks Yves, I will download the trial version of FM8 and run a couple of tests. -- cheers, Jakob. On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Yves Barbion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Jacob, > > well, it depends on a couple of things: > > > How do you wish to structure your documents? > What information model (DTD/Schema) do you wish to use? > Do you want to keep structured FM files or do you need XML? My experience is > that "Structure current document" using a conversion table does work, but I > use it for relatively simple documents. > > When I need to (re)structure documents to DITA, I use MIF2Go instead. > > Kind regards > > > Yves Barbion > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > Scripto > Belgium > > > > > Jakob Fix wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anybody is using the "Structure current document" > functionality in FM8 to structure imported Office 2007 documents, and > whether this method can be recommended, or whether there are > shortcomings that one should know about before going down this route. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
importing/structuring docx into FrameMaker?
Hello, I was wondering if anybody is using the "Structure current document" functionality in FM8 to structure imported Office 2007 documents, and whether this method can be recommended, or whether there are shortcomings that one should know about before going down this route. -- cheers, Jakob.
importing/structuring docx into FrameMaker?
Hello, I was wondering if anybody is using the "Structure current document" functionality in FM8 to structure imported Office 2007 documents, and whether this method can be recommended, or whether there are shortcomings that one should know about before going down this route. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
future of FrameMaker
Hi Rick, everybody, On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, wrote: > What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of > Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server > identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was > deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up > since. > Rick I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about the source, but am still waiting for it. Re spam: Maybe you should tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :) Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and I also apologize for the loss of your time. Would this be a good moment to end this thread? -- cheers, Jakob.
future of FrameMaker
I know I know, I did check the archives, but this was information I have received today ... so I thought maybe there's something going on that I hadn't noticed (not currently reading the list with the same ardour as some months ago) ... thanks anyway :) -- cheers, Jakob. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Lin Surasky wrote: > Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again > for oh, at least another week or so > Where does the time go? > ;-) > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jakob Fix > Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: future of FrameMaker > > Hello, > > I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand > information about the future of FrameMaker. I have recently heard of > people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that > Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development. As the > organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we > don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting > slightly worried about the future. > > Any insights will be greatly appreciated. > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. > ___
future of FrameMaker
Hello, I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information about the future of FrameMaker. I have recently heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development. As the organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future. Any insights will be greatly appreciated. -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: future of FrameMaker
Hi Rick, everybody, On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of > Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server > identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was > deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up > since. > Rick I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about the source, but am still waiting for it. Re spam: Maybe you should tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :) Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and I also apologize for the loss of your time. Would this be a good moment to end this thread? -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: future of FrameMaker
I know I know, I did check the archives, but this was information I have received today ... so I thought maybe there's something going on that I hadn't noticed (not currently reading the list with the same ardour as some months ago) ... thanks anyway :) -- cheers, Jakob. On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Lin Surasky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again > for oh, at least another week or so > Where does the time go? > ;-) > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix > Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: future of FrameMaker > > Hello, > > I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand > information about the future of FrameMaker. I have recently heard of > people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that > Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development. As the > organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we > don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting > slightly worried about the future. > > Any insights will be greatly appreciated. > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
future of FrameMaker
Hello, I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information about the future of FrameMaker. I have recently heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development. As the organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future. Any insights will be greatly appreciated. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes)
thanks Fred, while I am pretty sure that I have disabled this dialogue box in the preferences already, I'll verify again tomorrow. every suggestion is welcome! in the meantime, I am also exploring the runfm batch. On Jan 8, 2008 8:30 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > It occurs to me that the problem might be with the change history > buffer that is used to implement the multiple undo feature that > first appeared in FM7.2. I recall that there is a new user preference > item that lets you specify whether or not FrameMaker displays a > dialog about the existence of a non-empty buffer when you close > a file that has any changes (including automatic changes like x-ref > refreshes) in it. You may be seeing the plugin choking on the > unexpected dialogs. > > > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:35:47 +0100 > > From: jakob.fix at gmail.com > > To: framers at frameusers.com > > Subject: cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes) > > > > > > Hello and happy new year to all, > > > > I have a problem with Chris Despopoulos' DoBatch plugin from his > > Cudspan series of plugins. Judging from the mailing list he hasn't > > made an appearance yet, but maybe somebody else can clarify. > > > > We're using the DoBatch plugin to save several hundred files (in a > > number of batches) as PostScript (in a watched folder that get > > converted to PDF). It worked perfectly while we were using it in > > FrameMaker5.5.6+SGML. However, since we migrated to 7.2, we're > > encountering reproducible FrameMaker crashes when using the plugin. > > The only available version appears to be 1.0.0.1 dated 17 dec 2001. > > Has anybody else encountered this problem and possibly found a > > solution to it? > > > > Also, in case we are unable to resolve this issue, I am considering > > using Omnisys' runfm.exe batch tool. Would this be a valid > > alternative? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > > cheers, > > Jakob. > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live?. > Start now! -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes)
thanks Fred, while I am pretty sure that I have disabled this dialogue box in the preferences already, I'll verify again tomorrow. every suggestion is welcome! in the meantime, I am also exploring the runfm batch. On Jan 8, 2008 8:30 PM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It occurs to me that the problem might be with the change history > buffer that is used to implement the multiple undo feature that > first appeared in FM7.2. I recall that there is a new user preference > item that lets you specify whether or not FrameMaker displays a > dialog about the existence of a non-empty buffer when you close > a file that has any changes (including automatic changes like x-ref > refreshes) in it. You may be seeing the plugin choking on the > unexpected dialogs. > > > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:35:47 +0100 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes) > > > > > > Hello and happy new year to all, > > > > I have a problem with Chris Despopoulos' DoBatch plugin from his > > Cudspan series of plugins. Judging from the mailing list he hasn't > > made an appearance yet, but maybe somebody else can clarify. > > > > We're using the DoBatch plugin to save several hundred files (in a > > number of batches) as PostScript (in a watched folder that get > > converted to PDF). It worked perfectly while we were using it in > > FrameMaker5.5.6+SGML. However, since we migrated to 7.2, we're > > encountering reproducible FrameMaker crashes when using the plugin. > > The only available version appears to be 1.0.0.1 dated 17 dec 2001. > > Has anybody else encountered this problem and possibly found a > > solution to it? > > > > Also, in case we are unable to resolve this issue, I am considering > > using Omnisys' runfm.exe batch tool. Would this be a valid > > alternative? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > -- > > cheers, > > Jakob. > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista(R) + Windows Live™. > Start now! -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes)
thanks Rick, Jeremy, everyone, for your feedback. I think it's a good idea to develop a plan "B" as a fallback solution, so I think we'll go down the runfm route. On Jan 4, 2008 11:42 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:35:47 +0100, "Jakob Fix" > wrote: > > >Also, in case we are unable to resolve this issue, I am considering > >using Omnisys' runfm.exe batch tool. Would this be a valid > >alternative? > > Yes. And it's also free; for print/PDF output, you just > need to install the demo version: > http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm > > We use it ourselves for producing the User's Guide PDFs > and other formats. If you set up a .bat file with the > runfm command, and put a shortcut to it on your desktop, > you get one-click production of your PDFs, possibly > several of them at once. ;-) > > -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. > http://www.omsys.com/ have a good weekend everyone. -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes)
thanks Rick, Jeremy, everyone, for your feedback. I think it's a good idea to develop a plan "B" as a fallback solution, so I think we'll go down the runfm route. On Jan 4, 2008 11:42 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:35:47 +0100, "Jakob Fix" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Also, in case we are unable to resolve this issue, I am considering > >using Omnisys' runfm.exe batch tool. Would this be a valid > >alternative? > > Yes. And it's also free; for print/PDF output, you just > need to install the demo version: > http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm > > We use it ourselves for producing the User's Guide PDFs > and other formats. If you set up a .bat file with the > runfm command, and put a shortcut to it on your desktop, > you get one-click production of your PDFs, possibly > several of them at once. ;-) > > -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ have a good weekend everyone. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes)
Hello and happy new year to all, I have a problem with Chris Despopoulos' DoBatch plugin from his Cudspan series of plugins. Judging from the mailing list he hasn't made an appearance yet, but maybe somebody else can clarify. We're using the DoBatch plugin to save several hundred files (in a number of batches) as PostScript (in a watched folder that get converted to PDF). It worked perfectly while we were using it in FrameMaker5.5.6+SGML. However, since we migrated to 7.2, we're encountering reproducible FrameMaker crashes when using the plugin. The only available version appears to be 1.0.0.1 dated 17 dec 2001. Has anybody else encountered this problem and possibly found a solution to it? Also, in case we are unable to resolve this issue, I am considering using Omnisys' runfm.exe batch tool. Would this be a valid alternative? Thank you in advance. -- cheers, Jakob.
cudspan dobatch plugin problem (FrameMaker crashes)
Hello and happy new year to all, I have a problem with Chris Despopoulos' DoBatch plugin from his Cudspan series of plugins. Judging from the mailing list he hasn't made an appearance yet, but maybe somebody else can clarify. We're using the DoBatch plugin to save several hundred files (in a number of batches) as PostScript (in a watched folder that get converted to PDF). It worked perfectly while we were using it in FrameMaker5.5.6+SGML. However, since we migrated to 7.2, we're encountering reproducible FrameMaker crashes when using the plugin. The only available version appears to be 1.0.0.1 dated 17 dec 2001. Has anybody else encountered this problem and possibly found a solution to it? Also, in case we are unable to resolve this issue, I am considering using Omnisys' runfm.exe batch tool. Would this be a valid alternative? Thank you in advance. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
looking for FrameMaker install location in the registry
Thanks Scott for your endorsement. I'll go with the first one as well
then, as I know that we only support version 7.2 (for the time being).
Best wishes,
Jakob.
On 10/31/07, Scott Prentice wrote:
> Hi Jakob...
>
> I've always used the first one ..
> HKLM\Software\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2\FMHome .. (assuming that you know the
> version you're looking for ahead of time). If you want to know the
> "current" version, use hte second one ..
> HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App
> Paths\Path\FrameMaker.exe\Path
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>
>
> Jakob Fix wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am preparing an update installer to be deployed by authors in my
> > organisation. The update contains mainly updated EDDs and other
> > supporting files and will be copied to the Structure subdirectory.
> >
> > I need to determine the location of where FrameMaker has been
> > installed, as not all authors have the same directory structure, so I
> > can't presume that FrameMaker will always be in C:\Program
> > Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2.
> >
> > So, I think the location of where FrameMaker has been installed is
> > available somewhere in the registry (yes, this is Windows). However,
> > searching for the string "Adobe\FrameMaker7.2" yielded several
> > results. Here are my candidates:
> >
> > HKLM\Software\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2\FMHome
> > HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Path
> > HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\Folders
> > HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{...-...-}\InstallLocation
> > (where the string in between { and } is some kind of unique identifier.
> >
> > I would be grateful for advice which key to choose as I am not sure
> > which one is the most reliable.
> >
> > Thank you.
Re: looking for FrameMaker install location in the registry
Thanks Scott for your endorsement. I'll go with the first one as well
then, as I know that we only support version 7.2 (for the time being).
Best wishes,
Jakob.
On 10/31/07, Scott Prentice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Jakob...
>
> I've always used the first one ..
> HKLM\Software\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2\FMHome .. (assuming that you know the
> version you're looking for ahead of time). If you want to know the
> "current" version, use hte second one ..
> HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App
> Paths\Path\FrameMaker.exe\Path
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>
>
> Jakob Fix wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am preparing an update installer to be deployed by authors in my
> > organisation. The update contains mainly updated EDDs and other
> > supporting files and will be copied to the Structure subdirectory.
> >
> > I need to determine the location of where FrameMaker has been
> > installed, as not all authors have the same directory structure, so I
> > can't presume that FrameMaker will always be in C:\Program
> > Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2.
> >
> > So, I think the location of where FrameMaker has been installed is
> > available somewhere in the registry (yes, this is Windows). However,
> > searching for the string "Adobe\FrameMaker7.2" yielded several
> > results. Here are my candidates:
> >
> > HKLM\Software\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2\FMHome
> > HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Path
> > HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\Folders
> > HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{...-...-}\InstallLocation
> > (where the string in between { and } is some kind of unique identifier.
> >
> > I would be grateful for advice which key to choose as I am not sure
> > which one is the most reliable.
> >
> > Thank you.
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looking for FrameMaker install location in the registry
Hello,
I am preparing an update installer to be deployed by authors in my
organisation. The update contains mainly updated EDDs and other
supporting files and will be copied to the Structure subdirectory.
I need to determine the location of where FrameMaker has been
installed, as not all authors have the same directory structure, so I
can't presume that FrameMaker will always be in C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2.
So, I think the location of where FrameMaker has been installed is
available somewhere in the registry (yes, this is Windows). However,
searching for the string "Adobe\FrameMaker7.2" yielded several
results. Here are my candidates:
HKLM\Software\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2\FMHome
HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Path
HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\Folders
HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{...-...-}\InstallLocation
(where the string in between { and } is some kind of unique identifier.
I would be grateful for advice which key to choose as I am not sure
which one is the most reliable.
Thank you.
--
cheers,
Jakob.
looking for FrameMaker install location in the registry
Hello,
I am preparing an update installer to be deployed by authors in my
organisation. The update contains mainly updated EDDs and other
supporting files and will be copied to the Structure subdirectory.
I need to determine the location of where FrameMaker has been
installed, as not all authors have the same directory structure, so I
can't presume that FrameMaker will always be in C:\Program
Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.2.
So, I think the location of where FrameMaker has been installed is
available somewhere in the registry (yes, this is Windows). However,
searching for the string "Adobe\FrameMaker7.2" yielded several
results. Here are my candidates:
HKLM\Software\Adobe\FrameMaker\7.2\FMHome
HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\App Paths\Path
HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\Folders
HLKM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\{...-...-}\InstallLocation
(where the string in between { and } is some kind of unique identifier.
I would be grateful for advice which key to choose as I am not sure
which one is the most reliable.
Thank you.
--
cheers,
Jakob.
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automating a custom save command?
Hello, I would like to automate a task that consists of saving all files in a book using a *custom* save command that is available through the use of a custom FDK client, without reprogramming the client. Currently, I have to open the book, open all files inside it, and then save them one by one, either selecting "Save Jap File" (the custom save command) from the File menu, or by using the keyboard Alt, F, J (J being the short cut for this command), Ctrl+F4 to close the file. Once books get bigger, this gets tedious very quickly. I wonder if Framescript can help here (there's the CallClient command, but I can't figure out whether this could be used for my purpose), or another batch type tool. Thanks for your help in advance. By the way, Frame is 5.5.6+SGML, and the files are structured. -- cheers, Jakob.
automating a custom save command?
Hello, I would like to automate a task that consists of saving all files in a book using a *custom* save command that is available through the use of a custom FDK client, without reprogramming the client. Currently, I have to open the book, open all files inside it, and then save them one by one, either selecting "Save Jap File" (the custom save command) from the File menu, or by using the keyboard Alt, F, J (J being the short cut for this command), Ctrl+F4 to close the file. Once books get bigger, this gets tedious very quickly. I wonder if Framescript can help here (there's the CallClient command, but I can't figure out whether this could be used for my purpose), or another batch type tool. Thanks for your help in advance. By the way, Frame is 5.5.6+SGML, and the files are structured. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)
Jeremy, thanks for your answer. See comments further down. Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > I wrote: > [...] > >What could the problem be, and how can I solve this? > > There seems to be an intermittent problem in Frame itself. > When we added the ability to make PDF to our runfm.exe tool, > we ran into this. We wound up having to set the property > explicitly from the FDK immediately before printing to the > PDF printer. After that, the trouble went away. Good to know I'm not the only one :-) In the meantime I did the following which seems to work in order to work around the problem: I printed each of the files in question manually to postscript. After this, the trouble went away. > You can use runfm to do this job, and you don't even need > to buy Mif2Go to do it. You do need to download and > install our demo version (at least the plugin parts): > http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm The runfm batch tool does look really interesting for what I need to do. In particular it would allow me to integrate it into our ant-based work flow. I'll have a look into it for the next project I'll be working on. -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)
Jeremy, thanks for your answer. See comments further down. Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: I wrote: [...] >What could the problem be, and how can I solve this? There seems to be an intermittent problem in Frame itself. When we added the ability to make PDF to our runfm.exe tool, we ran into this. We wound up having to set the property explicitly from the FDK immediately before printing to the PDF printer. After that, the trouble went away. Good to know I'm not the only one :-) In the meantime I did the following which seems to work in order to work around the problem: I printed each of the files in question manually to postscript. After this, the trouble went away. You can use runfm to do this job, and you don't even need to buy Mif2Go to do it. You do need to download and install our demo version (at least the plugin parts): http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm The runfm batch tool does look really interesting for what I need to do. In particular it would allow me to integrate it into our ant-based work flow. I'll have a look into it for the next project I'll be working on. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)
Hello Peter, On 5/17/06, Peter Gold wrote: > Hi, Jakob: > > I have a few guesses that might help track down the problem: > > * Set Distiller to check the watched folder at greater intervals, to > give more time for the .ps files to be written completely. (Just a > hunch.) I had it set to 10 secs, and now I changed it to 30 secs, but the the problem doesn't go away. Interesting fact: it's always the same file(s). > * Use DoBatch to import, to each .fm file, a printfile whose settings > reassert the print last page first OFF option. I'll look into this (I guess it's documented in the Cudspan userguide?) thanks for your super quick reply -- cheers, Jakob.
problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)
Hello, I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to create PDF files, like this: step 1) the Cudspan batch tool helps me create the batch file for a given book (the batch file contains three instructions for each FrameMaker file contained in the book: 1) open the file, 2) save as postscript in the in/ folder of a watched folder, 3) close original). this is a one-off step. step 2) the Cudspan batch tool then runs this file from within FrameMaker. The postscript files are saved in the watched folder of Acrobat Distiller which starts converting the arriving postscript files in the out/ folder. Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes the last page. I have one batch where the first four documents have their page order reversed, and all others are fine. Another batch has no problems at all. I have made sure that the "Last Sheet First" option in the Print Document dialogue box is unchecked for all files. Manually printing these files to postscript and then manually distilling them works fine. I have also tried different postscript printers, but had so far no success in getting these renegade files to behave. What could the problem be, and how can I solve this? -- cheers, Jakob. PS: thanks to Cudspan for making available for free his ever so useful plugins!
Re: problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)
Hello Peter, On 5/17/06, Peter Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Jakob: I have a few guesses that might help track down the problem: * Set Distiller to check the watched folder at greater intervals, to give more time for the .ps files to be written completely. (Just a hunch.) I had it set to 10 secs, and now I changed it to 30 secs, but the the problem doesn't go away. Interesting fact: it's always the same file(s). * Use DoBatch to import, to each .fm file, a printfile whose settings reassert the print last page first OFF option. I'll look into this (I guess it's documented in the Cudspan userguide?) thanks for your super quick reply -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
problem with PDF batch processing (cudspan batch + watched folder)
Hello, I have put together a process to batch process our FrameMaker files to create PDF files, like this: step 1) the Cudspan batch tool helps me create the batch file for a given book (the batch file contains three instructions for each FrameMaker file contained in the book: 1) open the file, 2) save as postscript in the in/ folder of a watched folder, 3) close original). this is a one-off step. step 2) the Cudspan batch tool then runs this file from within FrameMaker. The postscript files are saved in the watched folder of Acrobat Distiller which starts converting the arriving postscript files in the out/ folder. Now here's the problem: While most files convert OK, in some of them the pages are assembled in the reverse order, i.e. in the resulting PDF document the last page is shown first, and the first page becomes the last page. I have one batch where the first four documents have their page order reversed, and all others are fine. Another batch has no problems at all. I have made sure that the "Last Sheet First" option in the Print Document dialogue box is unchecked for all files. Manually printing these files to postscript and then manually distilling them works fine. I have also tried different postscript printers, but had so far no success in getting these renegade files to behave. What could the problem be, and how can I solve this? -- cheers, Jakob. PS: thanks to Cudspan for making available for free his ever so useful plugins! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Newbie with Questions
Kevin, On 3/28/06, Kevin Rusnak wrote: [...] > MY ULTIMATE GOAL: > 1. One of our line of business applications will produce XML from a > button click. I have been told from a buddy of mine that is handling > that end of the experiment that he can make the XML look like whatever I > want. > > 2. When that XML stream is created, I want to automate the > following...XML > FRAMEMAKER > PDF > EMAIL If you're talking about automation, do you mean "Somebody clicks a button on my website which generates some XML which gets converted to PDF and then emailed to the person's email address"? In this case, FrameMaker may not be an optimal solution to your problem. Although FrameMaker can be accessed programmatically, through an SDK or third-party tools, it is mainly a user interface for authors to create contents interactively. If I understand your requirements correctly, you'd rather need an XSL-FO processor, ie. a tool which takes XML as input and creates PDF as output. In this case you should take a look at XEP (http://renderx.com/). The Apache project also provides such a tool, free of charge that's called FOP (http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/). However, all this is rather far away from the Technical Author's Path ... Good luck. -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: Newbie with Questions
Kevin, On 3/28/06, Kevin Rusnak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > MY ULTIMATE GOAL: > 1. One of our line of business applications will produce XML from a > button click. I have been told from a buddy of mine that is handling > that end of the experiment that he can make the XML look like whatever I > want. > > 2. When that XML stream is created, I want to automate the > following...XML > FRAMEMAKER > PDF > EMAIL If you're talking about automation, do you mean "Somebody clicks a button on my website which generates some XML which gets converted to PDF and then emailed to the person's email address"? In this case, FrameMaker may not be an optimal solution to your problem. Although FrameMaker can be accessed programmatically, through an SDK or third-party tools, it is mainly a user interface for authors to create contents interactively. If I understand your requirements correctly, you'd rather need an XSL-FO processor, ie. a tool which takes XML as input and creates PDF as output. In this case you should take a look at XEP (http://renderx.com/). The Apache project also provides such a tool, free of charge that's called FOP (http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/). However, all this is rather far away from the Technical Author's Path ... Good luck. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Importing a very large DocBook XML file kills FM 7.2
John, On 06/02/06, John Pitt wrote: > Q3 Is there anything I can do? We would prefer not to cut up the xml > file as we want all chapters to talk to each other without spending long > periods resolving broken xrefs. coming from the XML end of things, my first question would be: Is the XML file "valid" or at least "well-formed"? I'm not sure how Frame handles non-valid or XML files, but this would be a first step to exclude one possible source of error. To verify the validity of an XML file, use an XML parser, such as rxp (ftp://ftp.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/pub/richard/rxp.exe) which is a fast command line parser (and may be better suited for this task than the built-in parsers of tools such as XML spy or Oxygen XML) C:/> rxp -sVV yourfile.xml -s suppresses the output, and -VV stops at the first error encountered. HTH -- cheers, Jakob.
Re: Importing a very large DocBook XML file kills FM 7.2
John, On 06/02/06, John Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Q3 Is there anything I can do? We would prefer not to cut up the xml > file as we want all chapters to talk to each other without spending long > periods resolving broken xrefs. coming from the XML end of things, my first question would be: Is the XML file "valid" or at least "well-formed"? I'm not sure how Frame handles non-valid or XML files, but this would be a first step to exclude one possible source of error. To verify the validity of an XML file, use an XML parser, such as rxp (ftp://ftp.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/pub/richard/rxp.exe) which is a fast command line parser (and may be better suited for this task than the built-in parsers of tools such as XML spy or Oxygen XML) C:/> rxp -sVV yourfile.xml -s suppresses the output, and -VV stops at the first error encountered. HTH -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[SOLVED] Case of attribute values modified on import SGML->FrameMaker 5.5.6
Dave, On 02/02/06, Dave Searle wrote: > Hi Jakob, > > It sounds as if your "id" attribute is declared in the DTD to have a > value of type "ID" which is a name. Thus it has to conform the name > character rules and is also affected by the NAMECASE settings. pure genius! Yes, I just checked, and indeed, there are id attributes declared as ID, and others as CDATA (this is an intermediary DTD, I have to say in my defense :-)), the "real" ID values are modified. I didn't know that ID values are considered as names, although it makes sense. Thanks a lot! -- cheers, Jakob.
Case of attribute values modified on import SGML->FrameMaker 5.5.6
Hello, consider this puzzling little problem: I have an SGML document containing a number of unique ID attributes following this kind of scheme: id="ABCD.03.55816DE001BDF8FA". When importing this document into FrameMaker+SGML 5.5.6 (but 7.2 showed the same results), some values are, surpisingly, converted to "first letter uppercase, rest lowercase", i.e. Abcd.03.55816de001bdf8fa while other values are left as-is. The import/export rules file doesn't provide different rules for these attributes. I tried id attribute "id" is fm unique-id attribute "Id"; but the result remains the same. The SGML declaration has NAMECASE GENERAL set to YES (i.e. case is not relevant). I have tried setting it to NO (case sensitive) which indeed leaves the attribute values unchanged (but causes other troubles, as the rules file was created with YES in mind). However, I wonder if attribute *values* should be affected by the SGML declaration at all. Ny understanding was that the NAMECASE rule applies to names and name tokens, such as element identifiers and attribute names. Also, I didn't find this behaviour flisted as a bug on the FrameMaker Annoyances page (which lets me hope there's a solution to it): http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html Thanks for any insight in advance. -- cheers, Jakob.
