Re: [Framers] Best way to import/add select paragraph formats?
Monique, Lin, Rick, et al: Thanks so much for the good feedback – this has given us lots of good ideas to pursue. Much appreciated! Best, -- jason nichols I've used the Character Tools and Paragraph Tools utilities from Silicon Prairie Software, [1]https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html. And although you didn't ask about variables, I've always found that if I'm managing character and paragraph formats, I always need to manage variables, too. And for that, I highly recommend the BookVars plugin from Leximation: [2]https://leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php. -Monique ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Best way to import/add select paragraph formats?
Hello, More and more, the tech writing team I'm on needs to important just specific Character Formats and Paragraph Formats into a file or set of files. Searching through the archives, I found the method below suggested by Fred Ritter. <https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg55885.html> Is this still the best way to accomplish this goal, or does anyone know of a better method or tool that's been discovered or developed in the meantime? Many thanks in advance! Fred Ridder's technique: 1) Copy any paragraph of the desired format from the source file. 2) Paste it into the target file. 3) Use the Paragraph Designer to add the paragraph format to the current file's catalog. 4) Delete the pasted paragraph. Stay well, -- jason nichols ja...@mkjn.org ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level
David, That's interesting, thanks for sharing. We do a lot of translation, so this will be helpful to keep in mind as we start to use variables more... Thanks again, Jason Nichols ja...@mkjn.org On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:00 PM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote: -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:49:48 +0300 From: David Shaked da...@almondweb.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level Message-ID: 006801ce4512$b6a81640$23f842c0$@almondweb.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts of things for which you should define user variables. And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. When marketing decides to change the product name, you'll be glad it's a variable. I couldn't agree more. This is especially important when the vendor has partners who market the product under their own name. The same document might be released with multiple product names. But I have experienced some grammatical issues when using variables. For example: - The first letter of the original product name was a consonant. The first letter of the partner's proposed name was a vowel. We would have had to change a to an throughout, or insert a and an as variables. - The original product name was masculine in French. The partner's proposed name was feminine. The grammar of the existing French translation would have been corrupted. We persuaded marketing to give the partners some naming guidelines. They could select any product name they like, provided that it begins with a consonant and it is masculine in all relevant languages. The partners accepted this, and it worked out fine. I'm curious: Have others experienced this kind of issue with variables? How did you handle it? David Shaked (Wernick) AlmondWeb Ltd. http://www.almondweb.com Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants ? -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:53:17 -0700 From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com To: da...@almondweb.com da...@almondweb.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level Message-ID: 17474827509158478ee10bc6b977a3e30d23d29...@exchange.ultrasonix.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We do a lot of translation, but I have never encountered this - thanks for the warning of something to watch for. As we were recently acquired and my translation will now be managed through the documentation department at our Danish sister company, it's definitely something I'll follow up on with them. Alison Craig ?| ?Technical Documentation Lead Ultrasonix Medical Corporation ?| ?#130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada? V6V2K9 T 604-279-8550 ext. 127 ?| ?F 604-279-8559 ?| ?TF 1-866-437-9508 ?| ?www.ultrasonix.com ? -- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:55:30 -0500 From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com To: framers framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FW: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level? Message-ID: blu178-w4cd230010cbda7d0269bdd5...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The thing to do is to start with a template that contains all these things so that when you create each file in the book, all these things exist in the place your want them. With already created content (say, files created in a old template that lacks these things), you would create a new template and then import the new template into the files. Actually, if you can do it, it can be best to cut paste content from the old template to the new as it eliminates extras that just happen to exist in the file, but aren't part of your template. (Note: Defined variables in the template will replace the ones in the old file, but undefined variables that exist in the original document will be added to the new file.) Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level
David, That's interesting, thanks for sharing. We do a lot of translation, so this will be helpful to keep in mind as we start to use variables more... Thanks again, Jason Nichols jason at mkjn.org On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:00 PM, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote: > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 22:49:48 +0300 > From: "David Shaked" > To: > Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level > Message-ID: <006801ce4512$b6a81640$23f842c0$@almondweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the sorts > of things for which you should define user variables. >> And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout. > When marketing decides to change the product name, >> you'll be glad it's a variable. > > I couldn't agree more. This is especially important when the vendor has > partners who market the product under their own name. The same document > might be released with multiple product names. But I have experienced some > grammatical issues when using variables. For example: > > - The first letter of the original product name was a consonant. The first > letter of the partner's proposed name was a vowel. We would have had to > change "a" to "an" throughout, or insert "a" and "an" as variables. > > - The original product name was masculine in French. The partner's proposed > name was feminine. The grammar of the existing French translation would have > been corrupted. > > We persuaded marketing to give the partners some naming guidelines. They > could select any product name they like, provided that it begins with a > consonant and it is masculine in all relevant languages. The partners > accepted this, and it worked out fine. > > I'm curious: Have others experienced this kind of issue with variables? How > did you handle it? > > David Shaked (Wernick) > > AlmondWeb Ltd. > http://www.almondweb.com > Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants > ? > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:53:17 -0700 > From: Alison Craig > To: "david at almondweb.com" , > "framers at lists.frameusers.com" > Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level > Message-ID: > <17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30D23D29DBE at exchange.ultrasonix.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We do a lot of translation, but I have never encountered this - thanks for > the warning of something to watch for. > > As we were recently acquired and my translation will now be managed through > the documentation department at our Danish "sister" company, it's definitely > something I'll follow up on with them. > > > Alison Craig ?| ?Technical Documentation Lead > Ultrasonix Medical Corporation ?| ?#130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada? V6V2K9 > T 604-279-8550 ext. 127 ?| ?F 604-279-8559 ?| ?TF 1-866-437-9508 ?| > ?www.ultrasonix.com > ? > > > > -- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:55:30 -0500 > From: Craig Ede > To: framers > Subject: FW: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The thing to do is to start with a template that contains all these things so > that when you create each file in the book, all these things exist in the > place your want them. > > With already created content (say, files created in a old template that lacks > these things), you would create a new template and then import the new > template into the files. > > Actually, if you can do it, it can be best to cut & paste content from the > old template to the new as it eliminates "extras" that just happen to exist > in the file, but aren't part of your template. (Note: Defined variables in > the template will replace the ones in the old file, but undefined variables > that exist in the original document will be added to the new file.) > > >>> Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to >>> define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other >>> files in the book? >> > > > >
Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?
Is there a way to use the 12 built-in Running H/F variables in FrameMaker to pull in text based on paragraph tags that appear only in other documents within the book? For example, it'd be nice if I could define – in the footer of each chapter in a book – the Running H/F variables to pull in the document title, product name, and version number based on what appears on the book's title page (based on paragraph tags that are used only in the title page file). Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book? Thanks in advance, Jason Nichols ja...@mkjn.org ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?
Is there a way to use the 12 built-in Running H/F variables in FrameMaker to pull in text based on paragraph tags that appear only in other documents within the book? For example, it'd be nice if I could define ? in the footer of each chapter in a book ? the Running H/F variables to pull in the document title, product name, and version number based on what appears on the book's title page (based on paragraph tags that are used only in the title page file). Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book? Thanks in advance, Jason Nichols jason at mkjn.org
