Smart quotes

[Joel Wilhelm]

I magnified to 800% and the quotes are indeed slightly different. I guess
it's just hard to notice in Myriad.
Joel

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Susan Modlin  wrote:

> The version that Dov mentions is the same one that shipped with FrameMaker
> 7.0.
>
> Joel, try this: Change your magnification to 800% and look at your Mryiad
> Pro quotes. You should be able to see a subtle shift in the weight between
> the open and close quotes. They both slant to the right, but the open quotes
> are bottom heavy and the close quotes are top heavy.
>
> HTH,
>
> ...Susan
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Dov Isaacs 
> To: Joel Wilhelm ; Framers 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 5:46:22 PM
> Subject: RE: Smart quotes
>
> OK, I tried this myself with FrameMaker 8.0p277 (the latest update).
> I typed the same text with quotes (using the standard US keyboard straight
> double quote - i.e., the inch character - as my double quote character)
> in Times New Roman, Arial, Minion Pro, and Myriad Pro.
>
> For all four lines of text with those four fonts, I achieved the proper
> "smart quotes" results including Myriad Pro. It shows up correctly on
> the screen in FrameMaker, prints correctly, and saves as PDF correctly
> (i.e., the proper "smart quotes" - left and right double quotes instead
> of an inch character appear).
>
> One thing that you should be aware of is that left and right typographical
> quote characters in Myriad Pro (a sans serif font) have much more subtle
> differences than such differences in Minion Pro (a serif font). You have to
> look closely to see the differences which are primarily in whether the
> lines
> are thicker at the top or bottom. This is not that unusual for san serif
> fonts!
>
> If that is not the issue, perhaps you are using an older version of Myriad
> Pro?
> I personally don't recall changes in Myriad Pro over the years to fix any
> problem
> of this class, but I will check on this with my expert friends in the Adobe
> Type
> Development organization. The current version of Myriad Pro, appearing with
> Acrobat 9
> (and I believe Reader 9) and Font Folio 11 is version 2.037. The version of
> Myriad
> Pro that shipped with FrameMaker 8 is 2.007 which is probably the same
> version that
> shipped with CS3 and possibly Acrobat 8.
>
> - Dov
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joel Wilhelm
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:36 PM
> >
> > Thanks for the replies. I messed with some different fonts and it does
> look
> > like a problem with Myriad Pro. Minion Pro produces smart quotes, as well
> as
> > other fonts. Myriad won't do it. Bummer.
> > Joel
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Joel Wilhelm  wrote:
> >
> > > I am using Frame 8 and I *cannot* get smart quotes to work. I chose
> Format
> > > > Document > Text Options and checked smart quotes, then tried what the
> > > manual says, and I still get straight quotes. I am on XP, using Myriad
> Pro
> > > for my font. What am I doing wrong?
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joel
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Re: Smart quotes

[Joel Wilhelm]

I magnified to 800% and the quotes are indeed slightly different. I guess
it's just hard to notice in Myriad.
Joel

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Susan Modlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The version that Dov mentions is the same one that shipped with FrameMaker
> 7.0.
>
> Joel, try this: Change your magnification to 800% and look at your Mryiad
> Pro quotes. You should be able to see a subtle shift in the weight between
> the open and close quotes. They both slant to the right, but the open quotes
> are bottom heavy and the close quotes are top heavy.
>
> HTH,
>
> ...Susan
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Joel Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Framers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 5:46:22 PM
> Subject: RE: Smart quotes
>
> OK, I tried this myself with FrameMaker 8.0p277 (the latest update).
> I typed the same text with quotes (using the standard US keyboard straight
> double quote - i.e., the inch character - as my double quote character)
> in Times New Roman, Arial, Minion Pro, and Myriad Pro.
>
> For all four lines of text with those four fonts, I achieved the proper
> "smart quotes" results including Myriad Pro. It shows up correctly on
> the screen in FrameMaker, prints correctly, and saves as PDF correctly
> (i.e., the proper "smart quotes" - left and right double quotes instead
> of an inch character appear).
>
> One thing that you should be aware of is that left and right typographical
> quote characters in Myriad Pro (a sans serif font) have much more subtle
> differences than such differences in Minion Pro (a serif font). You have to
> look closely to see the differences which are primarily in whether the
> lines
> are thicker at the top or bottom. This is not that unusual for san serif
> fonts!
>
> If that is not the issue, perhaps you are using an older version of Myriad
> Pro?
> I personally don't recall changes in Myriad Pro over the years to fix any
> problem
> of this class, but I will check on this with my expert friends in the Adobe
> Type
> Development organization. The current version of Myriad Pro, appearing with
> Acrobat 9
> (and I believe Reader 9) and Font Folio 11 is version 2.037. The version of
> Myriad
> Pro that shipped with FrameMaker 8 is 2.007 which is probably the same
> version that
> shipped with CS3 and possibly Acrobat 8.
>
> - Dov
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Joel Wilhelm
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:36 PM
> >
> > Thanks for the replies. I messed with some different fonts and it does
> look
> > like a problem with Myriad Pro. Minion Pro produces smart quotes, as well
> as
> > other fonts. Myriad won't do it. Bummer.
> > Joel
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Joel Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I am using Frame 8 and I *cannot* get smart quotes to work. I chose
> Format
> > > > Document > Text Options and checked smart quotes, then tried what the
> > > manual says, and I still get straight quotes. I am on XP, using Myriad
> Pro
> > > for my font. What am I doing wrong?
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Joel
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Smart quotes

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks for the replies. I messed with some different fonts and it does look
like a problem with Myriad Pro. Minion Pro produces smart quotes, as well as
other fonts. Myriad won't do it. Bummer.
Joel

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Joel Wilhelm  wrote:

> I am using Frame 8 and I *cannot* get smart quotes to work. I chose Format
> > Document > Text Options and checked smart quotes, then tried what the
> manual says, and I still get straight quotes. I am on XP, using Myriad Pro
> for my font. What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks,
>
> Joel
>

Smart quotes

[Joel Wilhelm]

I am using Frame 8 and I *cannot* get smart quotes to work. I chose Format >
Document > Text Options and checked smart quotes, then tried what the manual
says, and I still get straight quotes. I am on XP, using Myriad Pro for my
font. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,

Joel

Re: Smart quotes

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks for the replies. I messed with some different fonts and it does look
like a problem with Myriad Pro. Minion Pro produces smart quotes, as well as
other fonts. Myriad won't do it. Bummer.
Joel

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Joel Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am using Frame 8 and I *cannot* get smart quotes to work. I chose Format
> > Document > Text Options and checked smart quotes, then tried what the
> manual says, and I still get straight quotes. I am on XP, using Myriad Pro
> for my font. What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks,
>
> Joel
>
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Smart quotes

[Joel Wilhelm]

I am using Frame 8 and I *cannot* get smart quotes to work. I chose Format >
Document > Text Options and checked smart quotes, then tried what the manual
says, and I still get straight quotes. I am on XP, using Myriad Pro for my
font. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks,

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Footnote Question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks Fred! It seems to obvious now.

Joel

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

>  Joel Wilhelm asked:
>
> > How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I
> > want 2 separate markers for the same footnote:
>
> The first footnote gets coded as a regular footnote. Additional references
> to the same note get coded as cross-references to the footnote paragraph
> using the $paranumonly building block and a character tag that applies
> superscript formatting.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
>
>

Footnote Question

[Joel Wilhelm]

How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I
want 2 separate markers for the same footnote:

text [1]
text text text [1]   (again)

I hope that makes sense.

Joel

Re: Footnote Question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks Fred! It seems to obvious now.

Joel

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>  Joel Wilhelm asked:
>
> > How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I
> > want 2 separate markers for the same footnote:
>
> The first footnote gets coded as a regular footnote. Additional references
> to the same note get coded as cross-references to the footnote paragraph
> using the $paranumonly building block and a character tag that applies
> superscript formatting.
>
> -Fred Ridder
>
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Footnote Question

[Joel Wilhelm]

How do I get 2 locations to point to the same footnote? In other words I
want 2 separate markers for the same footnote:

text [1]
text text text [1]   (again)

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Table numbers don't continue in book

[Joel Wilhelm]

This was it - I hadn't done the Edit > Update Book. Sorry for wasting your
time. Thanks for the help.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Jim Owens  wrote:

> Hmm. . . that should work. I just tested it. When I right-click a file in
> my current book, select "Continue Numbering from Previous Paragraph in
> Book", and then select Edit > Update Book, the figure numbers pick up where
> they left off in the previous file.
>
> FWIW, my figure autonumbering is F:Figure\ <$chapnum>\+< =0>\t,
> which is basically the same as yours with some extras.
>
>
> Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Jim, I should have been more specific: all the tabs have "Continue
>> From..." checked. - JW
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim Owens > jowens at magma.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>The Numbering Properties dialog is tabbed. If you have selected
>>"Continue numbering from previous file in book", then you are on the
>>"Chapter" tab. Try clicking the "Paragraph" tab and then selecting
>>"Continue numbering from previous paragraph in book."
>>
>>
>>Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>I have a Book file and the tables and figures aren't continuing
>>the flow of
>>numbers in each individual file. The formats are:
>>
>>T:Table .
>>C:Figure .
>>
>>I have the Book file and each file within it set to "Continue
>>Numbering From
>>Previous File in Book."
>>
>>Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?
>>
>>JW
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Table numbers don't continue in book

[Joel Wilhelm]

Jim, I should have been more specific: all the tabs have "Continue From..."
checked. - JW

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim Owens  wrote:

> The Numbering Properties dialog is tabbed. If you have selected "Continue
> numbering from previous file in book", then you are on the "Chapter" tab.
> Try clicking the "Paragraph" tab and then selecting "Continue numbering from
> previous paragraph in book."
>
>
> Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> I have a Book file and the tables and figures aren't continuing the flow
>> of
>> numbers in each individual file. The formats are:
>>
>> T:Table .
>> C:Figure .
>>
>> I have the Book file and each file within it set to "Continue Numbering
>> From
>> Previous File in Book."
>>
>> Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> JW
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Table numbers don't continue in book

[Joel Wilhelm]

I have a Book file and the tables and figures aren't continuing the flow of
numbers in each individual file. The formats are:

T:Table .
C:Figure .

I have the Book file and each file within it set to "Continue Numbering From
Previous File in Book."

Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?

JW

Re: Table numbers don't continue in book

[Joel Wilhelm]

This was it - I hadn't done the Edit > Update Book. Sorry for wasting your
time. Thanks for the help.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Jim Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hmm. . . that should work. I just tested it. When I right-click a file in
> my current book, select "Continue Numbering from Previous Paragraph in
> Book", and then select Edit > Update Book, the figure numbers pick up where
> they left off in the previous file.
>
> FWIW, my figure autonumbering is F:Figure\ <$chapnum>\+< =0>\t,
> which is basically the same as yours with some extras.
>
>
> Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Jim, I should have been more specific: all the tabs have "Continue
>> From..." checked. - JW
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>>The Numbering Properties dialog is tabbed. If you have selected
>>"Continue numbering from previous file in book", then you are on the
>>    "Chapter" tab. Try clicking the "Paragraph" tab and then selecting
>>"Continue numbering from previous paragraph in book."
>>
>>
>>Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>>
>>I have a Book file and the tables and figures aren't continuing
>>the flow of
>>numbers in each individual file. The formats are:
>>
>>T:Table .
>>C:Figure .
>>
>>I have the Book file and each file within it set to "Continue
>>Numbering From
>>Previous File in Book."
>>
>>Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?
>>
>>JW
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Re: Table numbers don't continue in book

[Joel Wilhelm]

Jim, I should have been more specific: all the tabs have "Continue From..."
checked. - JW

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Jim Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The Numbering Properties dialog is tabbed. If you have selected "Continue
> numbering from previous file in book", then you are on the "Chapter" tab.
> Try clicking the "Paragraph" tab and then selecting "Continue numbering from
> previous paragraph in book."
>
>
> Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> I have a Book file and the tables and figures aren't continuing the flow
>> of
>> numbers in each individual file. The formats are:
>>
>> T:Table .
>> C:Figure .
>>
>> I have the Book file and each file within it set to "Continue Numbering
>> From
>> Previous File in Book."
>>
>> Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?
>>
>> JW
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Table numbers don't continue in book

[Joel Wilhelm]

I have a Book file and the tables and figures aren't continuing the flow of
numbers in each individual file. The formats are:

T:Table .
C:Figure .

I have the Book file and each file within it set to "Continue Numbering From
Previous File in Book."

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Frame and Distiller Crash

[Joel Wilhelm]

Most, if not all, of the problems are from the fntcache.dat file on the C
drive. To fix this problem, do the following:

Open Notepad. Enter this text in Notepad:

del c:\windows\system32\fntcache.dat
shutdown -s

Save the file as a .bat file on your desktop. Mine is called
"delfontcache.bat" When you run this .bat file, it deletes the fntcache and
shuts your PC down. The result is that FrameMaker doesn't crash any more. So
before you shut down your PC (every time), run this .bat file to clear out
the fntcache and shut down for you - problem solved.


On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Anderson, Ben <
Ben.Anderson at guarantybank.com> wrote:

> Frame Gang,
>
> I'm in the process of testing the evaluation copy of Technical
> Communication Suite and have run into a couple of crashes.
>
> I've got a book (created in Frame 7.2) that I've opened in Frame 8.0
> (p273) and tried to convert to PDF.  I can get the book to update just
> fine, but when I "save as PDF", Frame crashes.  I've also printed the
> book to postscript and then tried to distill the files to PDF, but then
> distiller crashes.
>
> I have all of the system requirements (i.e., disk space, RAM, etc.), so
> I don't think that's an issue, but I'm not positive.
>
> Also, I'm using the standard Adobe PDF printer that comes with the Tech
> Comm Suite install.
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> --Ben
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Re: Frame and Distiller Crash

[Joel Wilhelm]

Most, if not all, of the problems are from the fntcache.dat file on the C
drive. To fix this problem, do the following:

Open Notepad. Enter this text in Notepad:

del c:\windows\system32\fntcache.dat
shutdown -s

Save the file as a .bat file on your desktop. Mine is called
"delfontcache.bat" When you run this .bat file, it deletes the fntcache and
shuts your PC down. The result is that FrameMaker doesn't crash any more. So
before you shut down your PC (every time), run this .bat file to clear out
the fntcache and shut down for you - problem solved.


On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Anderson, Ben <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frame Gang,
>
> I'm in the process of testing the evaluation copy of Technical
> Communication Suite and have run into a couple of crashes.
>
> I've got a book (created in Frame 7.2) that I've opened in Frame 8.0
> (p273) and tried to convert to PDF.  I can get the book to update just
> fine, but when I "save as PDF", Frame crashes.  I've also printed the
> book to postscript and then tried to distill the files to PDF, but then
> distiller crashes.
>
> I have all of the system requirements (i.e., disk space, RAM, etc.), so
> I don't think that's an issue, but I'm not positive.
>
> Also, I'm using the standard Adobe PDF printer that comes with the Tech
> Comm Suite install.
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> --Ben
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Questions about look and feel.

[Joel Wilhelm]

I'd look at Apple documents and IBM documents to see some good examples.
Both are online.

Joel

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM,  wrote:

> Hi, all.
>
>
>
> This is perhaps a bit of a vague set of questions, but I am interested
> in improving the look of our manuals and specifications documentation
> and would like to see what others are doing in this regard.
>
>
>
> 1.  Specifically, I am working on various manuals for our software API's
> as well as general technical specifications.
>
>
>
> 2.  These tend to be reasonably dry documents, where I have used
> numbering for chapter and section titles so people can refer to them by
> those numbers when talking internally here, as well as when we get
> questions from our customers.
>
>
>
> 3.  The target audience for most of these documents are engineers
> (software and hardware) and technical managers and the like. No consumer
> docs, or marketing folks or web page formats, etc.
>
>
>
> 4.  At the present time, my chapter and title fonts are Arial (various
> sizes depending on the section and subsection level) and my body font is
> Palatino Linotype in 11 point.
>
>
>
> 5.  Pretty much in black text most everywhere, except where I use Red
> italic font in a sidehead to make certain short one-to-two sentence
> notes (also in italic, but in black) stand out right next to the
> sidehead word. These are important notes to not overlook by the reader.
>
>
>
> My goal is to improve legibility.
>
>
>
> 1.  Are there any sample documents (at any site) that people could point
> me to as ones that they liked a lot for (a) legibility and (b)
> readability for such documents?
>
>
>
> 2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for body
> text? I have seen some recent manual examples using "Calibri" in a 10
> point size (that I wasn't sure that I particularly liked, but if it
> makes things easier to read, then I'd be willing to try it).
>
>
>
> 3.  What about color? Like in Section and chapter titles?
>
>
>
> 4.  In many places in my manuals, I have numbers (usually enclosed in
> quotes to designate strings) that I show in a fixed-width font (using
> "Consulas" in 11 point), even when in paragraphs that have body text in
> Palatino. I have experimented with making these a fairly Dark Blue
> color, and also tried bold (in black), to make them stand out a bit
> more. This seems to work reasonably well, but I am not sure that I want
> to get too much color in these manuals and specifications just yet, so I
> have not actually sent anything out yet!
>
>
>
> Finally ...
>
>
>
> 1.  I am looking to see if I can find a few people to look at two PDF
> extracts (less than 10 or 20 pages) from two of my
> manuals/specifications to get some critiques along the above lines -
> look and feel criticism only (the words and content are a different
> thing entirely J!). Any volunteers who could take a bit of time for
> this? Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Z
>
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Re: Questions about look and feel.

[Joel Wilhelm]

I'd look at Apple documents and IBM documents to see some good examples.
Both are online.

Joel

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, all.
>
>
>
> This is perhaps a bit of a vague set of questions, but I am interested
> in improving the look of our manuals and specifications documentation
> and would like to see what others are doing in this regard.
>
>
>
> 1.  Specifically, I am working on various manuals for our software API's
> as well as general technical specifications.
>
>
>
> 2.  These tend to be reasonably dry documents, where I have used
> numbering for chapter and section titles so people can refer to them by
> those numbers when talking internally here, as well as when we get
> questions from our customers.
>
>
>
> 3.  The target audience for most of these documents are engineers
> (software and hardware) and technical managers and the like. No consumer
> docs, or marketing folks or web page formats, etc.
>
>
>
> 4.  At the present time, my chapter and title fonts are Arial (various
> sizes depending on the section and subsection level) and my body font is
> Palatino Linotype in 11 point.
>
>
>
> 5.  Pretty much in black text most everywhere, except where I use Red
> italic font in a sidehead to make certain short one-to-two sentence
> notes (also in italic, but in black) stand out right next to the
> sidehead word. These are important notes to not overlook by the reader.
>
>
>
> My goal is to improve legibility.
>
>
>
> 1.  Are there any sample documents (at any site) that people could point
> me to as ones that they liked a lot for (a) legibility and (b)
> readability for such documents?
>
>
>
> 2.  Do people think that a Sans Serif font improves legibility for body
> text? I have seen some recent manual examples using "Calibri" in a 10
> point size (that I wasn't sure that I particularly liked, but if it
> makes things easier to read, then I'd be willing to try it).
>
>
>
> 3.  What about color? Like in Section and chapter titles?
>
>
>
> 4.  In many places in my manuals, I have numbers (usually enclosed in
> quotes to designate strings) that I show in a fixed-width font (using
> "Consulas" in 11 point), even when in paragraphs that have body text in
> Palatino. I have experimented with making these a fairly Dark Blue
> color, and also tried bold (in black), to make them stand out a bit
> more. This seems to work reasonably well, but I am not sure that I want
> to get too much color in these manuals and specifications just yet, so I
> have not actually sent anything out yet!
>
>
>
> Finally ...
>
>
>
> 1.  I am looking to see if I can find a few people to look at two PDF
> extracts (less than 10 or 20 pages) from two of my
> manuals/specifications to get some critiques along the above lines -
> look and feel criticism only (the words and content are a different
> thing entirely J!). Any volunteers who could take a bit of time for
> this? Thanks in advance!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Z
>
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Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Joel Wilhelm]

I would just use SnagIt from TechSmith and take new pictures from the Word
docs.

Joel

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Phil Heron  wrote:

> Hi Geoffrey,
>
> I'm not an expert on graphics but I've had success in the past using the
> "Save as HTML" function in both Frame and Word. Taking this option saves
> each image as a graphic file.
>
> In Frame, you can choose between GIF, JPEG and PNG as the graphic
> format. Specify which one to use on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities >
> HTML Setup - Options button).
>
> I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of
> formats.
>
> Phil Heron
> Technical Writer - CODA
> www.coda.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
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> Sent: 02 May 2008 01:02
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents
>
> Hi Framers,
>
> A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
> copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
> have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
> what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
> Acrobat.)
>
> BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
> MS Word documents?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Geoffrey Marnell
> Principal Consultant
> Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
> T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
> F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
> W: http://www.abelard.com.au 
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Re: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents

[Joel Wilhelm]

I would just use SnagIt from TechSmith and take new pictures from the Word
docs.

Joel

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Phil Heron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Geoffrey,
>
> I'm not an expert on graphics but I've had success in the past using the
> "Save as HTML" function in both Frame and Word. Taking this option saves
> each image as a graphic file.
>
> In Frame, you can choose between GIF, JPEG and PNG as the graphic
> format. Specify which one to use on the HTML Options dialog (Utilities >
> HTML Setup - Options button).
>
> I'm not sure what format Word uses or whether you have a choice of
> formats.
>
> Phil Heron
> Technical Writer - CODA
> www.coda.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
> Marnell
> Sent: 02 May 2008 01:02
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Extracting copied-in graphics from documents
>
> Hi Framers,
>
> A posting some weeks ago mentioned a utility that could extract graphics
> copied into FM files and restore them in their original format. I should
> have been paying more attention at the time, but can someone remind me
> what that utility is called? (I'm hoping it can do a better job than
> Acrobat.)
>
> BTW: does anyone know of a similar utility that can pull graphics out of
> MS Word documents?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Geoffrey Marnell
> Principal Consultant
> Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
> T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
> F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
> W: http://www.abelard.com.au 
>
>
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Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks for all the responses! That was too easy.

Joel

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Pat Christenson 
wrote:

> Enable underlining in the paragraph designer. Then create a character tag
> in which underlining is disabled. Apply the character tag to the numbering
> properties in the paragraph designer.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>  Folks, I want a heading to look like:
>>
>> 1. *Blah
>>
>> *How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining for the
>> number, period, and space between the period and the text?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Folks, I want a heading to look like:

1. *Blah

*How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining for the
number, period, and space between the period and the text?

Thanks,

Joel

Re: Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks for all the responses! That was too easy.

Joel

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Pat Christenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Enable underlining in the paragraph designer. Then create a character tag
> in which underlining is disabled. Apply the character tag to the numbering
> properties in the paragraph designer.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>  Folks, I want a heading to look like:
>>
>> 1. *Blah
>>
>> *How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining for the
>> number, period, and space between the period and the text?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Folks, I want a heading to look like:

1. *Blah

*How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining for the
number, period, and space between the period and the text?

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S1000D in Frame 8

[Joel Wilhelm]

What is the best way to use S1000D in Frame 8? Is the Application Pack from
Frame 7.2 still helpful? Is there something better out there from Adobe?

Joel

S1000D in Frame 8

[Joel Wilhelm]

What is the best way to use S1000D in Frame 8? Is the Application Pack from
Frame 7.2 still helpful? Is there something better out there from Adobe?

Joel
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Re: equation preferences

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks. I'll just re-create the equations. My fear was that Frame was no
longer the default equation editor, but that's not the case.

Joel

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  This error message clearly indicates the source of your issue. The
> existing equations are obvioulsy inserted as embedded MathType OLE
> objects, and you will only be able to edit them if you have MathType
> properly installed and configured so that OLE can launch it when you
> double-click the object. There is no way to change the application
> that an OLE object is linked to because the link is very deep. Your
> existing equations were probably pasted in from another document
> where they had been crated using MathType, and FrameMaker
> pasted them as OLE links. You might have been able to head this
> off by using Paste Special to use an insertion method other than
> OLE, or you might want to modify your Clipboard Formats Priority
> list (in maker.ini) to make the standard paste function use a more
> appropriate method than OLE, which is the first item (highest
> priority) in the default priority list.
>
> > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:04:29 -0400
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: equation preferences
>
> >
> > A quick follow-up. Frame also generates this error shortly afterwards:
> >
> > "Cannot invoke OLE server."
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Joel Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Somehow, MathType took over as the equation editor for Frame on my PC
> (XP,
> > > Frame 8).
> > > I uninstalled MathType, but now when I click an equation to edit it, I
> get
> > > this error:
> > > MathType Error: MathType's configuration file is missing or corrupted.
> > > Please reinstall MathType.
> > >
> > > How do I make Frame my equation editor again?
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
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equation preferences

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks. I'll just re-create the equations. My fear was that Frame was no
longer the default equation editor, but that's not the case.

Joel

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

>  This error message clearly indicates the source of your issue. The
> existing equations are obvioulsy inserted as embedded MathType OLE
> objects, and you will only be able to edit them if you have MathType
> properly installed and configured so that OLE can launch it when you
> double-click the object. There is no way to change the application
> that an OLE object is linked to because the link is very deep. Your
> existing equations were probably pasted in from another document
> where they had been crated using MathType, and FrameMaker
> pasted them as OLE links. You might have been able to head this
> off by using Paste Special to use an insertion method other than
> OLE, or you might want to modify your Clipboard Formats Priority
> list (in maker.ini) to make the standard paste function use a more
> appropriate method than OLE, which is the first item (highest
> priority) in the default priority list.
>
> > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:04:29 -0400
> > From: eleysium at gmail.com
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: equation preferences
>
> >
> > A quick follow-up. Frame also generates this error shortly afterwards:
> >
> > "Cannot invoke OLE server."
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Joel Wilhelm 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Somehow, MathType took over as the equation editor for Frame on my PC
> (XP,
> > > Frame 8).
> > > I uninstalled MathType, but now when I click an equation to edit it, I
> get
> > > this error:
> > > MathType Error: MathType's configuration file is missing or corrupted.
> > > Please reinstall MathType.
> > >
> > > How do I make Frame my equation editor again?
> > >
> > > Help!
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
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equation preferences

[Joel Wilhelm]

A quick follow-up. Frame also generates this error shortly afterwards:

"Cannot invoke OLE server."

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Joel Wilhelm  wrote:

> Somehow, MathType took over as the equation editor for Frame on my PC (XP,
> Frame 8).
> I uninstalled MathType, but now when I click an equation to edit it, I get
> this error:
> MathType Error: MathType's configuration file is missing or corrupted.
> Please reinstall MathType.
>
> How do I make Frame my equation editor again?
>
> Help!
>
> Joel
>

equation preferences

[Joel Wilhelm]

Somehow, MathType took over as the equation editor for Frame on my PC (XP,
Frame 8).
I uninstalled MathType, but now when I click an equation to edit it, I get
this error:
MathType Error: MathType's configuration file is missing or corrupted.
Please reinstall MathType.

How do I make Frame my equation editor again?

Help!

Joel

Re: equation preferences

[Joel Wilhelm]

A quick follow-up. Frame also generates this error shortly afterwards:

"Cannot invoke OLE server."

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Joel Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somehow, MathType took over as the equation editor for Frame on my PC (XP,
> Frame 8).
> I uninstalled MathType, but now when I click an equation to edit it, I get
> this error:
> MathType Error: MathType's configuration file is missing or corrupted.
> Please reinstall MathType.
>
> How do I make Frame my equation editor again?
>
> Help!
>
> Joel
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Somehow, MathType took over as the equation editor for Frame on my PC (XP,
Frame 8).
I uninstalled MathType, but now when I click an equation to edit it, I get
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Help!

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fractions

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Thanks. I ended up using superscript/subscript to achieve the fraction. - JW

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Sean Pollock  wrote:

> Some fractions are part of standard unicode, available from the standard
> Windows Character Map--e.g., ?, ?, ?.Sean Pollock
>
> > From: mewickham at compuserve.com> To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com>
> Subject: Re: fractions> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:11:08 -0600> > > Is there
> a way to generate fractions> > without just writing them like I am here (
> i.e. 1/4)?> > One method is to buy any of the various fraction fonts
> available. Go to > myfonts.com or other font seller and search for
> "fractions." Yes, you still > have to enter them by typing the individual
> characters, but they will be > properly sized and kerned. You'll have to
> apply a character format to them > that uses the appropriate fraction font,
> or they may display as other > characters, based on the paragraph format.> >
> Some of the "Pro" fonts include Unicode font numerators, denominators, and >
> fraction slash. You can copy and paste them from Character Map, since you >
> have FM8. Again, you'll have to apply a character format to them, unless the
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Re: fractions

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Thanks. I ended up using superscript/subscript to achieve the fraction. - JW

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> Some fractions are part of standard unicode, available from the standard
> Windows Character Map--e.g., ¼, ½, ¾.Sean Pollock
>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: framers@lists.FrameUsers.com>
> Subject: Re: fractions> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:11:08 -0600> > > Is there
> a way to generate fractions> > without just writing them like I am here (
> i.e. 1/4)?> > One method is to buy any of the various fraction fonts
> available. Go to > myfonts.com or other font seller and search for
> "fractions." Yes, you still > have to enter them by typing the individual
> characters, but they will be > properly sized and kerned. You'll have to
> apply a character format to them > that uses the appropriate fraction font,
> or they may display as other > characters, based on the paragraph format.> >
> Some of the "Pro" fonts include Unicode font numerators, denominators, and >
> fraction slash. You can copy and paste them from Character Map, since you >
> have FM8. Again, you'll have to apply a character format to them, unless the
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fractions

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I am looking for a way to write fractions inline with my text, without using
the math functions. I looked at the Frame 8 Character Sets manual, and I see
1/4, 1/2 and 3/4, but nothing else. Is there a way to generate fractions
without just writing them like I am here (i.e. 1/4)?

JW

fractions

[Joel Wilhelm]

I am looking for a way to write fractions inline with my text, without using
the math functions. I looked at the Frame 8 Character Sets manual, and I see
1/4, 1/2 and 3/4, but nothing else. Is there a way to generate fractions
without just writing them like I am here (i.e. 1/4)?

JW
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DTDs

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It's the ATA iSpec 2200.

JW

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Dan Vint  wrote:

> You can't just search for or get a DTD file with those names. I cold
> whip up something that is a valid DTD and give it any of those names,
> but it doesn't mean that your document will be valid. What is the DTD or
> standard you are trying to work with. If this is SGML, you might be able
> to find a public identifier at the top of the file which is the better
> indication of what you really need.
>
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> > Joel Wilhelm
> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:47 AM
> > To: Frame Users
> > Subject: DTDs
> >
> > Is it possible to find DTDs such as:
> >
> > amm.dtd
> > cmm.dtd
> > sup.dtd
> >
> > for free somewhere? Are they "open source" and out there
> > online, or do I
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DTDs

[Joel Wilhelm]

Is it possible to find DTDs such as:

amm.dtd
cmm.dtd
sup.dtd

for free somewhere? Are they "open source" and out there online, or do I
need to pay to get them?

JW

Re: DTDs

[Joel Wilhelm]

It's the ATA iSpec 2200.

JW

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Dan Vint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can't just search for or get a DTD file with those names. I cold
> whip up something that is a valid DTD and give it any of those names,
> but it doesn't mean that your document will be valid. What is the DTD or
> standard you are trying to work with. If this is SGML, you might be able
> to find a public identifier at the top of the file which is the better
> indication of what you really need.
>
> ..dan
>
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>
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> > To: Frame Users
> > Subject: DTDs
> >
> > Is it possible to find DTDs such as:
> >
> > amm.dtd
> > cmm.dtd
> > sup.dtd
> >
> > for free somewhere? Are they "open source" and out there
> > online, or do I
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amm.dtd
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numbering help needed

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks all (I'm on Frame 8 BTW). Your guidance helped me fix this.

Joel

On Jan 31, 2008 11:36 AM, Mike Feimster 
wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Assuming FM 6.0 or later and each appendix is it's .fm file in a book,
> use the numbering properties of the paragraph style.
>
> For the appendix title use "A:Appendix <$chapnum>. " without the quotes.
>
> For the appendix level one tags use "B:<$chapnum>. " without the
> quotes.
>
> In the book, you'll need to set the Chapter numbering properties to be
> upper case ALPHABETIC and the paragraph numbering properties to Restart
> for each appendix.
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joel Wilhelm
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:49 AM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: numbering help needed
>
> Hi folks. I need to set up a numbering sequence for appendices that goes
> like:
>
> Appendix A. Blah
> A.1 blah
> A.2 blah
> Appendix B. Blah
> B.1
> B.2
>
> I'm not sure how to set up the auto-numbering for the appendix and
> appendix
> level one tags.
>
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numbering help needed

[Joel Wilhelm]

Hi folks. I need to set up a numbering sequence for appendices that goes
like:

Appendix A. Blah
A.1 blah
A.2 blah
Appendix B. Blah
B.1
B.2

I'm not sure how to set up the auto-numbering for the appendix and appendix
level one tags.

Joel

Re: numbering help needed

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks all (I'm on Frame 8 BTW). Your guidance helped me fix this.

Joel

On Jan 31, 2008 11:36 AM, Mike Feimster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Assuming FM 6.0 or later and each appendix is it's .fm file in a book,
> use the numbering properties of the paragraph style.
>
> For the appendix title use "A:Appendix <$chapnum>. " without the quotes.
>
> For the appendix level one tags use "B:<$chapnum>. " without the
> quotes.
>
> In the book, you'll need to set the Chapter numbering properties to be
> upper case ALPHABETIC and the paragraph numbering properties to Restart
> for each appendix.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Wilhelm
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:49 AM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: numbering help needed
>
> Hi folks. I need to set up a numbering sequence for appendices that goes
> like:
>
> Appendix A. Blah
> A.1 blah
> A.2 blah
> Appendix B. Blah
> B.1
> B.2
>
> I'm not sure how to set up the auto-numbering for the appendix and
> appendix
> level one tags.
>
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numbering help needed

[Joel Wilhelm]

Hi folks. I need to set up a numbering sequence for appendices that goes
like:

Appendix A. Blah
A.1 blah
A.2 blah
Appendix B. Blah
B.1
B.2

I'm not sure how to set up the auto-numbering for the appendix and appendix
level one tags.

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Re: Acrobat / FrameMaker conflicts during install

[Joel Wilhelm]

A word of advice: install Acrobat *after* Frame and DO NOT install the Frame
PDF add-on thing.

JW

On Dec 13, 2007 2:25 PM, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (1) In fact, there is still free phone support for software
> installation problems.
>
> (2) Very likely, your Acrobat installation problems have to do
> someone attempting to uninstall old versions by simply wiping
> out files as opposed to going to the Control Panel and properly
> uninstalling the software. Although the files are gone, the
> many and various Windows registry entries used by those older
> versions of Acrobat are still there to haunt you.
>
> (3) I don't think you inherited a "terminal" but rather a computer
> system. When receiving such an "inheritance," I would normally
> advise that the best course of action is to wipe the system down
> to bare metal, reinstalling the operating system, drivers, all
> applications, fonts, etc. Otherwise, you don't really know what
> you've got and some doggy droppings from the past may byte you when
> you least expect it!
>
>- Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:36 AM
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Acrobat / FrameMaker conflicts during install
> >
> > My client company just went ahead and bit the bullet and forked out
> around $800 or so for FrameMaker
> > 8.0. (Does this mean that Frame 9.0 will be $900, Frame 10.0 will be
> $1,000, etc, etc?). We also
> > bought Acrobat Professional 8.0 as well.
> >
> > I want to do a "clean" installation but before I do, I have some
> concerns because of what is on the
> > terminal that I "inherited" (with Windows XP Office and the service
> packs, etc.).
> >
> > It already has on it the folders (and their subfolders) - but NOT the
> executable application files -
> > for Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0.
> >
> > Without the executable files, I can't do an uninstall via Control
> Panel. So apparently, my only option
> > is to simply do what you're NOT supposed to do - just delete the
> Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0 folders. Ooh, but
> > that grates on me because I fear that bits and pieces of either or
> both Acrobats are already strewn
> > hither and thither throughout the Windows XP operating system and will
> cause problems later on down
> > the line. Or not.
> >
> > (Remember the good old days, when a program was all in one folder, I
> mean "directory"? Hah! We'll
> > never see THAT stuff again.)
> >
> > I already found out the hard way how nice and courteous (NOT!!) one
> Acrobat program is to another
> > after first installing FrameMaker 8.0 (along with its PDFMaker
> feature) and then NOT being able to
> > install Acrobat 8.0 afterwards. (I kept getting a message after the
> Acrobat 8.0 setup procedure was
> > well into progress that "Setup has detected that you already have a
> more functional product installed.
> > Setup will now terminate.")
> >
> > So I uninstalled FM8.0 and its plug-ins and the Acrobat 8.0 install
> moved along much further than
> > before (I had to cancel it, however, until my IT guy gets in here with
> the serial number).
> >
> > So with FM8.0 and Acrobat8.0 currently off the drive, what to do about
> the previously installed
> > Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0 folders in light of their missing executable
> application files.
> >
> > Just delete them and proceed with the Acrobat 8.0 and then FM 8.0
> installations?
> >
> > BTW, the Adobe docs really play up the purchased support plans (even
> for "defective products"),
> > leading me to believe that free telephone support for initial setup is
> no more. But somewhere, I did
> > find that there apparently is 90-day free phone support for initial
> setup problems.
> >
> > Am I correct on this?
> >
> > -- Ken in Atlanta
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Acrobat / FrameMaker conflicts during install

[Joel Wilhelm]

A word of advice: install Acrobat *after* Frame and DO NOT install the Frame
PDF add-on thing.

JW

On Dec 13, 2007 2:25 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:

> (1) In fact, there is still free phone support for software
> installation problems.
>
> (2) Very likely, your Acrobat installation problems have to do
> someone attempting to uninstall old versions by simply wiping
> out files as opposed to going to the Control Panel and properly
> uninstalling the software. Although the files are gone, the
> many and various Windows registry entries used by those older
> versions of Acrobat are still there to haunt you.
>
> (3) I don't think you inherited a "terminal" but rather a computer
> system. When receiving such an "inheritance," I would normally
> advise that the best course of action is to wipe the system down
> to bare metal, reinstalling the operating system, drivers, all
> applications, fonts, etc. Otherwise, you don't really know what
> you've got and some doggy droppings from the past may byte you when
> you least expect it!
>
>- Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > poshedly at bellsouth.net
> > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:36 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Acrobat / FrameMaker conflicts during install
> >
> > My client company just went ahead and bit the bullet and forked out
> around $800 or so for FrameMaker
> > 8.0. (Does this mean that Frame 9.0 will be $900, Frame 10.0 will be
> $1,000, etc, etc?). We also
> > bought Acrobat Professional 8.0 as well.
> >
> > I want to do a "clean" installation but before I do, I have some
> concerns because of what is on the
> > terminal that I "inherited" (with Windows XP Office and the service
> packs, etc.).
> >
> > It already has on it the folders (and their subfolders) - but NOT the
> executable application files -
> > for Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0.
> >
> > Without the executable files, I can't do an uninstall via Control
> Panel. So apparently, my only option
> > is to simply do what you're NOT supposed to do - just delete the
> Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0 folders. Ooh, but
> > that grates on me because I fear that bits and pieces of either or
> both Acrobats are already strewn
> > hither and thither throughout the Windows XP operating system and will
> cause problems later on down
> > the line. Or not.
> >
> > (Remember the good old days, when a program was all in one folder, I
> mean "directory"? Hah! We'll
> > never see THAT stuff again.)
> >
> > I already found out the hard way how nice and courteous (NOT!!) one
> Acrobat program is to another
> > after first installing FrameMaker 8.0 (along with its PDFMaker
> feature) and then NOT being able to
> > install Acrobat 8.0 afterwards. (I kept getting a message after the
> Acrobat 8.0 setup procedure was
> > well into progress that "Setup has detected that you already have a
> more functional product installed.
> > Setup will now terminate.")
> >
> > So I uninstalled FM8.0 and its plug-ins and the Acrobat 8.0 install
> moved along much further than
> > before (I had to cancel it, however, until my IT guy gets in here with
> the serial number).
> >
> > So with FM8.0 and Acrobat8.0 currently off the drive, what to do about
> the previously installed
> > Acrobat 6.0 and 7.0 folders in light of their missing executable
> application files.
> >
> > Just delete them and proceed with the Acrobat 8.0 and then FM 8.0
> installations?
> >
> > BTW, the Adobe docs really play up the purchased support plans (even
> for "defective products"),
> > leading me to believe that free telephone support for initial setup is
> no more. But somewhere, I did
> > find that there apparently is 90-day free phone support for initial
> setup problems.
> >
> > Am I correct on this?
> >
> > -- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: Frame and re-use

[Joel Wilhelm]

I guess what I'm asking about is ease of use John. I'm looking at apps like
Author-it that seem to be more friendly to drag and drop composition, and
I'm wondering which way to go. These are people to whom Word is about as
painful as it gets.

JW

On 9/14/07, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Or do they need to know how to use conditional text and dig
> > into the program to be able to use it effectively?
>
> Now, THERE's a concept...users that need to know how to use the
> application. The NERVE of the application.
>
> Frame supports it just fine. The problem is, you want untrained users to
> perform an action that requires some training and process understanding.
>
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever.
> So far, so good."
>
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Frame and re-use

[Joel Wilhelm]

I guess what I'm asking about is ease of use John. I'm looking at apps like
Author-it that seem to be more friendly to drag and drop composition, and
I'm wondering which way to go. These are people to whom Word is about as
painful as it gets.

JW

On 9/14/07, John Posada  wrote:
>
> >Or do they need to know how to use conditional text and dig
> > into the program to be able to use it effectively?
>
> Now, THERE's a concept...users that need to know how to use the
> application. The NERVE of the application.
>
> Frame supports it just fine. The problem is, you want untrained users to
> perform an action that requires some training and process understanding.
>
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> "They say everyone needs goals. Mine is to live forever.
> So far, so good."
>

Frame and re-use

[Joel Wilhelm]

Hi all, I am wondering if Frame 8 allows for fairly easy re-use of content?
Let me outline what I mean:

I know Frame well enough, but if my company were to purchase 5-10
installations, and let non-experts work on Frame docs, would it be easy
enough for them to drag and drop modules into an outline format for re-using
content? Or do they need to know how to use conditional text and dig into
the program to be able to use it effectively?

Thanks in advance,

JMW

Frame and re-use

[Joel Wilhelm]

Hi all, I am wondering if Frame 8 allows for fairly easy re-use of content?
Let me outline what I mean:

I know Frame well enough, but if my company were to purchase 5-10
installations, and let non-experts work on Frame docs, would it be easy
enough for them to drag and drop modules into an outline format for re-using
content? Or do they need to know how to use conditional text and dig into
the program to be able to use it effectively?

Thanks in advance,

JMW
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