Unresolved cross-references in text insets to locations within the text inset
I am using Frame 8p277 on Windows XP Pro, SP3. I have a text inset source document with 19 different text insets (each in their own named flow). I am using these text insets in a container document a total of 123 times (yep, lots and lots and LOTS of duplication). One inset is used 28 times, another is used only once. The rest vary in number of usages. Many of these text insets contain cross-references to locations within the same text inset. The text inset source document is NOT in the same directory as the container document, although it is "close by". When I import by reference into the document and regenerate to update the TOC and the cross-references, I get multiple unresolved cross-reference errors from the document with all the text insets. The cross-references are also not updating properly. Within the inset, the step is number 2, but within the container document, it should be number 3. I know there are issues with cross-references and text insets, but I thought that was when you were trying to use a cross-reference from the container document to something within the inset, or from within the inset to something in the container document. These are from the inset to another location in the same inset. I can, if necessary, convert all the insets to text and regenerate just prior to creating the final PDF, but obviously I'd rather avoid that. Can anyone help me resolve these cross-references? -- Lin Sims
Re: moving preserving links between chapters in a book
I saved one of my chapters that included a cross-reference to a different chapter as a MIF. Examination showed that cross-chapter references includes the absolute path to the linked file. If the directory structure isn't exactly the same in both places, the link won't work. You can either recreate all the cross-chapter links or you can use Bruce Foster's Archiver plugin. It will bundle all the files (including graphics) in a book and save it wherever you want, and it updates the links in the process. Well worth the $25. http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/index.html HTH Lin On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:09 AM, James Dyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. I'm using Framemaker 8 and we just discovered a problem caused when we move our books to different network locations. If we move from point A to point B, the book's links to chapters (i.e. index) and the links to different places within the same chapter work just fine. What doesn't work is the links from one chapter to another. Is there a solution? There very well may be a better way to do this, but here's how we move our books: We do a save as command for each chapter to the new location. We then create a book from scratch in that location (and update the book). I'm stumped. James Dyson Technical Writer KVH Industries, Inc. 50 Enterprise Center | Middletown, RI 02842 Direct Tel: +1.401.845.2416 Tel: +1.401.847.3327 | Fax: +1.401.849.0045 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kvh.com http://www.kvh.com/ The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by KVH Industries for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email so that the sender's address records can be corrected. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
moving & preserving links between chapters in a book
I saved one of my chapters that included a cross-reference to a different chapter as a MIF. Examination showed that cross-chapter references includes the absolute path to the linked file. If the directory structure isn't exactly the same in both places, the link won't work. You can either recreate all the cross-chapter links or you can use Bruce Foster's Archiver plugin. It will bundle all the files (including graphics) in a book and save it wherever you want, and it updates the links in the process. Well worth the $25. http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/index.html HTH Lin On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:09 AM, James Dyson wrote: > Hi all. I'm using Framemaker 8 and we just discovered a problem caused > when we move our books to different network locations. If we move from > point A to point B, the book's links to chapters (i.e. index) and the > links to different places within the same chapter work just fine. What > doesn't work is the links from one chapter to another. Is there a > solution? There very well may be a better way to do this, but here's how > we move our books: We do a "save as" command for each chapter to the new > location. We then create a book from scratch in that location (and > update the book). I'm stumped. > > > > James Dyson > > Technical Writer > > KVH Industries, Inc. > > 50 Enterprise Center | Middletown, RI 02842 > > Direct Tel: +1.401.845.2416 > > Tel: +1.401.847.3327 | Fax: +1.401.849.0045 > > jdyson at kvh.com > > http://www.kvh.com <http://www.kvh.com/> > > The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by > KVH Industries for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is > directed and may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If > you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete > it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender > of the error by reply email so that the sender's address records can be > corrected. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as ljsims.ML at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Lin Sims
Re: Graphic causing Frame to crash
Ah! Yes, I did indeed use Copy + Paste. I'll try the Import option in the morning. As I recall, the only thing I did to my ClipboardFormatPriorities was move Text to the front. And before things started crashing, it listed Facets as DIB. (I don't know what DIB is.) UPDATE: This is morning. I am, as Art suggested, using Import by Reference and, as Richard suggested, NOT using copypaste. so far, things seem to be working. Keep the fingers crossed. Thanks for the help. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lin Sims wrote: FrameMaker 8 Windows XP SP3 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page. Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties, Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same result. These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere, but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening. Just a guess: You said you copied them -- did you by chance _paste_ them into FM? If so (depending on your ClipboardFormatPriorities setting in maker.ini), you may have inserted them as embedded OLE objects. You do _not_ want that. It brings along a ton of overhead from the application associated with PNG files on your system. And it can be quite unstable, especially in a low-memory, low-resource situation. If you pasted them (or used File Import Object), delete them and insert them properly, using the File Import File command and selecting Copy into Document. Someone suggested saving as 8-bit PNG. IMHO, that's a bad idea, too. The file size savings is remarkably small. And 8-bit color uses a 256-color palette. All the defined palette colors (like RGB 150,88,127) in all your PNGs get added to the FM document's list of defined colors. A bit of a nuisance, if you ask me. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Graphic causing Frame to crash
Ah! Yes, I did indeed use Copy + Paste. I'll try the Import option in the morning. As I recall, the only thing I did to my ClipboardFormatPriorities was move Text to the front. And before things started crashing, it listed Facets as DIB. (I don't know what DIB is.) UPDATE: This is morning. I am, as Art suggested, using Import by Reference and, as Richard suggested, NOT using copy so far, things seem to be working. Keep the fingers crossed. Thanks for the help. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Lin Sims wrote: > >> FrameMaker 8 >> Windows XP SP3 >> >> I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page. >> Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties, >> Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same >> result. >> >> These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at >> least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So >> far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere, >> but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening. > > Just a guess: You said you "copied" them -- did you by chance _paste_ > them into FM? If so (depending on your ClipboardFormatPriorities setting > in maker.ini), you may have inserted them as embedded OLE objects. You > do _not_ want that. It brings along a ton of overhead from the > application associated with PNG files on your system. And it can be > quite unstable, especially in a low-memory, low-resource situation. > > If you pasted them (or used File > Import > Object), delete them and > insert them properly, using the File > Import > File command and > selecting Copy into Document. > > Someone suggested saving as 8-bit PNG. IMHO, that's a bad idea, too. The > file size savings is remarkably small. And 8-bit color uses a 256-color > palette. All the defined palette colors (like RGB 150,88,127) in all > your PNGs get added to the FM document's list of defined colors. A bit > of a nuisance, if you ask me. > > HTH! > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > --
Graphic causing Frame to crash
FrameMaker 8 Windows XP SP3 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page. Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties, Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same result. These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere, but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening. Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid? Thanks. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Graphic causing Frame to crash
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Van Boening, Tammy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lin, I too have had this problem and there are a couple of solutions 1.) Can you capture the graphic again as a .png - even if it is a screen capture of the graphic itself - not of the source that led to the original screen capture? 2.) Do you have Snagit or some similar tool? If so, you can use SnagIt's catalog conversion functionality to convert the graphic to a .bmp then back to .png. I used IrfanView to convert from PNG to GIF. I do have SnagIt, so I'll try that, too. Won't converting to .bmp lose information, though? I haven't tried recapturing the graphic. I'll try that. Probably by opening the original in IrfanView and using SnagIt to do the capture! On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do. AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to tell. Art I thought the grey box might be due to memory problems. Those grey boxes showed up in the PDF files, though, so I'm wondering if more is going on than just display problems? Hardware specs are: AMD Athlon 2700+ (2.16 GHz) with 992 MB of RAM. I'd gripe, but I think we're getting new boxes soon with more memory. Which is good, since I tend to have about 20 or so windows open on 2 screens at any one time. The master page in question is the cover page for the documents I produce. There are two graphics on it: a large one with the product logo and a smaller one acting as a company/bottom border. Copying them in means I don't have to reimport every time I create a new document in a new directory. They aren't changing, so I gain nothing by importing by reference. Lin On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FrameMaker 8 Windows XP SP3 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page. Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties, Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same result. These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere, but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening. Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Graphic causing Frame to crash
FrameMaker 8 Windows XP SP3 I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page. Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties, Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same result. These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere, but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening. Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid? Thanks. -- Lin Sims
Graphic causing Frame to crash
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Van Boening, Tammy wrote: > Hi Lin, > > I too have had this problem and there are a couple of solutions > > 1.) Can you capture the graphic again as a .png - even if it is a screen > capture of the graphic itself - not of the source that led to the > original screen capture? > 2.) Do you have Snagit or some similar tool? If so, you can use SnagIt's > catalog conversion functionality to convert the graphic to a .bmp then > back to .png. I used IrfanView to convert from PNG to GIF. I do have SnagIt, so I'll try that, too. Won't converting to .bmp lose information, though? I haven't tried recapturing the graphic. I'll try that. Probably by opening the original in IrfanView and using SnagIt to do the capture! On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > First, > What are you trying to accomplish with them on the master page? For > most things, copying them in isn't a great solution; importing by > reference is way better, but it depends on what you're trying to do. > > AND... the grey box is what happens when you're running out of RAM and > Frame takes steps to prevent your system from crashing. But because > you didn't provide any details about your system vitals, it's hard to > tell. > > Art I thought the grey box might be due to memory problems. Those grey boxes showed up in the PDF files, though, so I'm wondering if more is going on than just display problems? Hardware specs are: AMD Athlon 2700+ (2.16 GHz) with 992 MB of RAM. I'd gripe, but I think we're getting new boxes soon with more memory. Which is good, since I tend to have about 20 or so windows open on 2 screens at any one time. The master page in question is the cover page for the documents I produce. There are two graphics on it: a large one with the product logo and a smaller one acting as a company/bottom border. Copying them in means I don't have to reimport every time I create a new document in a new directory. They aren't changing, so I gain nothing by importing by reference. Lin > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Lin Sims wrote: >> FrameMaker 8 >> Windows XP SP3 >> >> I have a a couple of .png graphics that I copied to a Master Page. >> Every time I use the right-click menu to select Object Properties, >> Frame crashes. I tried converting the graphics to GIF but got the same >> result. >> >> These same graphics will, sometimes but not reproducibly always (at >> least not that I've noticed), disappear, leaving a grey box behind. So >> far that's been fixable by reimporting the page layout from elsewhere, >> but I'd rather not have to worry about that happening. >> >> Does anyone know what might be causing this and, more importantly, how >> to fix it permanently instead of with a bandaid? >> > > > -- > Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > -- Lin Sims
FM 8 "Next pgf tag" having no effect...
This seems to be a (semi) long standing issue with FM8, in that others have reported having problems with it: to be specific, when pressing return, FM ignores the Next Tag information and adds another line using the same tag. I ran into this issue last night. Since I didn't know that others had experienced it, I thought it was something weird with my installation and I reinstalled everything. Not something I really wanted to do! The Adobe Forums thread (http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?128@@.3c059165) hasn't been updated since April. I was wondering if anyone had found a fix or work around for this in the months since? -- Lin Sims
FM 8 "Next pgf tag" having no effect...
You want something even MORE odd? The exact same document (as in, it's stored on a thumb drive that I access directly for this) has this issue on my home machine but works perfectly on my office machine. And the day before yesterday, it worked at home, too! Both machines have Frame 8.0 p277, on Windows XP SP3. It's in Structured View, but I'm not using elements or anything, just standard tags. As far as I can tell, this has no effect on what I'm doing since I'm not inserting any elements or attributes. I round-tripped the document through MIF to no avail. As to set up: I created the first tag in Paragraph Designer, pressed return, created the second tag in Paragraph Designer, pulled the definition for the first tag up, and selected the Next Pgf Tag box and chose the second paragraph tag's name from the drop-down list. This is pretty much how I do it every time I want a specific paragraph tag to follow. (I generally don't have text there because the issue cropped up in a template I'm currently creating.) FYI, I have the following plugins installed: Archive AutoText EZVars 3.02 Sourcerer PGF_Whopper TOC Breaker RefIcons CudSpan Doc Tools Paragraph Tools When I get home, I'll try Richard's work around and report back. On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Sean Brierley wrote: > How odd, because I just tested with empty paragraphs and the next tag > feature continues to work correctly for me. > > Cheers, > > Sean > > ___ > Sean Brierley > Technical Writer > www.accu-time.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: techwr-l-bounces+sbrierley=accu-time.com at lists.techwr-l.com > [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+sbrierley=accu-time.com at lists.techwr-l.com] On > Behalf Of Combs, Richard > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:21 AM > To: Lin Sims; framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com; > techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com > Subject: RE: FM 8 "Next pgf tag" having no effect... > > > Lin Sims wrote: > >> This seems to be a (semi) long standing issue with FM8, in that others > >> have reported having problems with it: to be specific, when pressing >> return, FM ignores the Next Tag information and adds another line >> using the same tag. >> >> I ran into this issue last night. Since I didn't know that others had > >> experienced it, I thought it was something weird with my installation >> and I reinstalled everything. Not something I really wanted to do! >> >> The Adobe Forums thread >> (http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?128@@.3c059165) hasn't been updated >> since April. >> >> I was wondering if anyone had found a fix or work around for this in >> the months since? > > IIRC, the "workaround" is to type something in the first pgf before > pressing Enter. I believe it only behaves that way (maybe intentionally > so?) if the first pgf is empty. > > HTH! > > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > ^ > > ComponentOne Doc-To-Help gives you everything you need to author and > publish quality Help, Web, and print content. Perfect for technical > authors, developers, and policy writers. Download a FREE trial. > http://www.componentone.com/DocToHelp/ > > True single source, conditional content, PDF export, modular help. Help > & Manual is the most powerful authoring tool for technical > documentation. Boost your productivity! http://www.helpandmanual.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to TECHWR-L as sbrierley at accu-time.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > techwr-l-unsubscribe at lists.techwr-l.com > or visit > http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/options/techwr-l/sbrierley%40accu-time > .com > > > To subscribe, send a blank email to techwr-l-join at lists.techwr-l.com > > Send administrative questions to admin at techwr-l.com. Visit > http://www.techwr-l.com/ for more resources and info. > > ^ > > ComponentOne Doc-To-Help gives you everything you need to author and > publish quality Help, Web, and print content. Perfect for technical > authors, developers, and policy writers. Download a FREE trial. > http://www.componentone.com/DocToHelp/ > > True single source, conditional content, PDF export, modular help. > Help & Manual is the most powerful authoring tool for technical > documentation. Boost your productivity! http://www.helpandmanual.com > > --- > You are currently subscribed to TECHWR-L as ljsims.ml at gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > techwr-l-unsubscribe at lists.techwr-l.com > or visit > http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/options/techwr-l/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com > > > To subscribe, send a blank email to techwr-l-join at lists.techwr-l.com > > Send administrative questions to admin at techwr-l.com. Visit > http://www.techwr-l.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- Lin Sims
UPDATE: Re: FM 8 "Next pgf tag" having no effect...
It took a complete, and I do mean complete, reinstall from CD and all the patchers, but things are now working as they're supposed to. All I can think is that, somehow, the installation was bad. Thanks to all for their suggestions, and my apologies if at some point I seemed to get a bit testy at the end. Computer problems do that to me, sometimes, when they don't seem to respond to logic. On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > I have already installed this update. I am still getting the error. > But only on my home computer. The work computer is fine. > > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried > wrote: >> Hi Lin, >> >> This was fixed with FM 8.04 (8.0p277). >> >> In the Help menu click on Updates to download >> and install it. If that does not work, you'll >> find it on the Adobe web-site. >> >> Best regards >> >> Winfried
Custom Ruling & Shading
(As an aside -- wow! it's been a long time since I've been on this list. I'm glad to be back at a gig where I get to use Frame!) I'd like to set up a single cell table that sort-of mimics the look of a terminal window. What I'd like is to have a double border, outside medium width, darkish grey, inside thin, lighter grey. Is that even possible? Help isn't being helpful. Thanks. Lin Sims
