[Framers] Searching multiple PDFs for blacklisted terms

[Martinek, Carla]

If you work for a Global company, you may be aware of China's Patent & 
Advertising laws. There are certain terms that are blacklisted, and violations 
can result in fines and even sanctions against companies.

Is anyone aware of a tool that would allow you to search multiple PDFs and 
compare against a list of terms and flag instances?

We want to look at our published PDF files, hundreds of them, and some of which 
are quite old, and see if we can find anything that is a potential violation . 
Unfortunately, most of these files weren't created in XML/CMS, but in Frame, 
InDesign, and even other apps, so searching source files isn't the best option.

-Carla



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Re: [Framers] Anchored Frame in Table Cell is hiding borders

[Martinek, Carla]

Rick - 

There is 5pt right cell padding. The Table Designer window is shown at the 
link, and the table cells have 3pt Top/Bottom, and 5pt Left/Right. I've changed 
it to a larger number, with no luck. 

The Anchored Frame properties are Below Current Line, Right Alignment.

We are using a defined Object Tag for these frames, and the weird thing is that 
this is only happening to some of them, not all. 

-Carla



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Subject: Re: [Framers] Anchored Frame in Table Cell is hiding borders

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Carla, can you put a little cell padding on the right of those cells? You 
shouldn't need much.

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Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 4:03 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Anchored Frame in Table Cell is hiding borders

I have an issue where graphics in an anchored frame inside of a table are 
running over and hiding the table border to the right. This carries through to 
the PDF output. (This is a parts list with descriptions in the next cell).

I've checked multiple object settings - the frame, the table, etc. Nothing I've 
tried seems to fix the issue. Does anyone have any recommendations for this?

I've put some images here for reference since I don't think the ones I attach 
will go through:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_drive_folders_15LlC7-5FUuqHL1eTRXSUlfwjgqUKgFfjGd-3Fusp=DwICAg=Qwsh1H-X9ypOoLLEcAIltQ=VFsLqEV1g3KHaBwrWlr4VKIfKdA7dv7QvbuBE1idbJI=m2yy616S_5wocSw44ut0siaJcltFziVE4xsYQyvKO3Y=NuT8cZySRPa417N7a2kyfKEDrNmgOcSjh7f8MRTTbZU=
=sharing

Thx
Carla






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[Framers] Anchored Frame in Table Cell is hiding borders

[Martinek, Carla]

I have an issue where graphics in an anchored frame inside of a table are 
running over and hiding the table border to the right. This carries through to 
the PDF output. (This is a parts list with descriptions in the next cell).

I've checked multiple object settings - the frame, the table, etc. Nothing I've 
tried seems to fix the issue. Does anyone have any recommendations for this?

I've put some images here for reference since I don't think the ones I attach 
will go through: 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15LlC7_UuqHL1eTRXSUlfwjgqUKgFfjGd?usp=sharing

Thx
Carla






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[Framers] Script for adding variables to FM

[Martinek, Carla]

Is anyone aware of a script for adding/creating variables from a list/table?

Ideally, you'd have the variable on one column, and the values on the other.


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[Framers] Windows Anti-virus prevents PDF generation in unique graphic setup

[Martinek, Carla]

Sharing a problem that has vexed us and our translation vendor for a few days 
now. We found the solution after much trial & error, so wanted to share this 
here in case someone else runs into it. We tested on two different systems just 
to be sure.

Operating System
Windows 10 / Windows 7 Ultimate

Applications
FrameMaker 2017, version: 14.0.4.511
Illustrator CC 2018, version 22.1 (64 bit)
Photoshop CC 2018, version 19.1.4
Distiller DC, Professional Version 18.11.20040281318

Conditions to reproduce the problem
The FrameMaker file contains a link to an .ai file. The linked .ai file 
contains a linked .psd file. The .psd file has a clipping mask in Illustrator, 
and part of the clipped image that is not visible extends past the artboard 
edge in the .ai file.
If Microsoft Security Essentials (Windows 7) or Windows Defender (Windows 10) 
real-time protection is turned on, the PostScript file will take much longer to 
print than if real-time protection was off. Not tested using other versions of 
Windows.
In the FrameMaker book that brought this to our attention, there were 127 pages 
and 31 linked .ai files that met the criteria above to reproduce the problem. 
Printing to a Postscript file took around 14 hours to complete. Once real-time 
file protection was turned off, printing to a PostScript file took around 5 
minutes.

-Carla


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Re: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)

[Martinek, Carla]

For the record, it happens from time to time on Win 7 64bit as well.

-Carla


-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+cmartinek=zebra@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:27 PM
To: Framers List 
Subject: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)

Here's an annoyance where two "things" on my computer simply can't get along 
and I wonder if anyone here has any suggestions on how to stop this from 
happening.

While my two coworkers use Windows 7, my own office platform is still chugging 
along nicely with Windows XP. This is because in the past, we had problematic 
FrameMaker files that crashed while being opened in Windows 7, but they opened 
smoothly on my platform. We all use FrameMaker 11 and all of our files are on a 
network drive. (We have never been able to figure out why they opened on my 
platform but not the others. And my company refuses to spend the few bucks on 
upgrading my operating system, a la "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.")

Anyway, when we create a new FM book based on a previous one, we copy the 
pertinent old FM folder (along with its subordinate Insets folder of the 
various images) to a new location on our network drive.

Because the default name of the graphics folder is "Insets", and I don't want 
the new FM file to reference the old Insets folder, I try to rename that old 
one something else ("Insets - Temp" or whatever) until I have successfully 
opened the new FM file to correctly reference the new Insets folder at the new 
location.

Confused yet? I hope not. Anyway . . .

More often than not, when I try to rename the old Insets folder, I get a pop-up 
box stating that no renaming can be done because another program is using this 
folder -- but it really ain't.

I will close out every open program, re-open Windows Explorer and then once 
more try to rename the old Insets folder, but keep getting that nagging pop-up 
about another program using this folder.

The final action is close out everything and do a system restart. That always 
works but it's a pain in the ass.

Isn't there a keyboard shortcut or something else I can do to prevent this 
waste of my time (which obviously slows my productivity)?

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Where is the Tools menu in FM 12?

[Martinek, Carla]

The menu shows only when you have  a document file open. It does not show when 
a book is open.

And I am using the SP plugins with FM2015 without issue.   There is a version 
for it.

-Carla



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On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 10:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Where is the Tools menu in FM 12?

   Hi, all.
   I'm trying to use the Silicon Prairie Paragraph tools. I've installed
   the .dll in the plugins folder and restarted. The user guide says to
   select Paragraphs from the Tools menu.
   I cannot find a Tools menu in FM 12. I googled "Where is the Tools menu
   in Framemaker 12" and got no helpful hits.
   What am I missing?
   Thanks!
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[Framers] ExtendScript - Generating a Catalog of Graphics

[Martinek, Carla]

Years and years (and years) ago, I purchased a set of utilities called Caxton 
Xtras. Caxton has long since gone away, but the utilities continued to work in 
FM for several versions after they were initially released. My source utility 
files have a date of December 1998 - I think it was FM5 I was using at the 
time. (I go all the way back to using FM2 in 1990... very scary, I know.)

A coworker wanted to generate a list of imported graphics that includes the 
image. Xtras had such a utility, but unfortunately it doesn't work with the 
last few versions of Frame. The Xtras graphics catalog generated a table with a 
thumbnail of the graphic in the first column (about 2 in height, if I remember 
correctly), the path in the second column, and the page # in the third column. 
It really was quite handy.

Has anyone written a script for recent FrameMaker versions which does something 
similar? ExtendScript preferred, but I also have FrameScript. Much as I want to 
be involved in scripting, I just haven't been able to dedicate the time to be 
able to write my own.

BTW, I'm happy to send a copy of the Caxton files to anyone who wants to look 
at the source files if you're curious and have an older version of Frame 
(likely FM9 or earlier) . :)

-Carla




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FM 11/RH10 Multiscreen HTML Output - making changes to the default Desktop output

[Martinek, Carla]

Ok, I've been trying to find this answer in the RoboHelp and FrameMaker help 
all morning, and not having any luck, so I'll throw it out to the group. It's 
been a decade-plus since I worked in RoboHelp, so don't remember much. My 
source content is in FM11.

I know what I want to do, just not how to make it happen. I want to use one of 
the skins that shipped with RH10 in the Multiscreen HTML 5 output (for the 
WebHelp/Desktop output). I was able to create an individual WebHelp_Pro layout 
using my preferred skin, but cannot for the life of me figure out how/where to 
edit the default Multiscreen HTML 5 Desktop output/layout to use that same 
skin. How/where do I go in RH to make that change?

Once I know how to change one of the output layouts in the Multiscreen layout, 
I can change the other layouts as desired. Once back in FM 11  I can easily 
select the correct project template when I want to publish the document from 
there.

I know this has to be fairly simply, but its escaping me.

Thx
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RE: FM 11/RH10 Multiscreen HTML Output - making changes to the default Desktop output

[Martinek, Carla]

Ok, I realize now I'm probably off base with my question...  ugh. HTML5 and the 
WebHelp Pro output are not the same.  Looked at it in a different way and 
figured out where I was going wrong.

So what I need is to create(modify) an HTML 5 desktop screen layout that uses 
one of the skins from the gallery... is that possible to define easily, or is 
it a major design from scratch issue?

Thanks to grainge.org for clearing up some things for me between the skins and 
screen layouts.

http://www.grainge.org/pages/authoring/rh_tour/rh10_new/multiscreen/rh10_multiscreen.htm

-Carla


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:38 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 11/RH10  Multiscreen HTML Output - making changes to the default 
Desktop output

Ok, I've been trying to find this answer in the RoboHelp and FrameMaker help 
all morning, and not having any luck, so I'll throw it out to the group. It's 
been a decade-plus since I worked in RoboHelp, so don't remember much. My 
source content is in FM11.

I know what I want to do, just not how to make it happen. I want to use one of 
the skins that shipped with RH10 in the Multiscreen HTML 5 output (for the 
WebHelp/Desktop output). I was able to create an individual WebHelp_Pro layout 
using my preferred skin, but cannot for the life of me figure out how/where to 
edit the default Multiscreen HTML 5 Desktop output/layout to use that same 
skin. How/where do I go in RH to make that change?

Once I know how to change one of the output layouts in the Multiscreen layout, 
I can change the other layouts as desired. Once back in FM 11  I can easily 
select the correct project template when I want to publish the document from 
there.

I know this has to be fairly simply, but its escaping me.

Thx
Carla





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FM 11/RH10 > Multiscreen HTML Output - making changes to the default Desktop output

[Martinek, Carla]

Ok, I've been trying to find this answer in the RoboHelp and FrameMaker help 
all morning, and not having any luck, so I'll throw it out to the group. It's 
been a decade-plus since I worked in RoboHelp, so don't remember much. My 
source content is in FM11.

I know what I want to do, just not how to make it happen. I want to use one of 
the skins that shipped with RH10 in the Multiscreen HTML 5 output (for the 
WebHelp/Desktop output). I was able to create an individual WebHelp_Pro layout 
using my preferred skin, but cannot for the life of me figure out how/where to 
edit the default Multiscreen HTML 5 Desktop output/layout to use that same 
skin. How/where do I go in RH to make that change?

Once I know how to change one of the output layouts in the Multiscreen layout, 
I can change the other layouts as desired. Once back in FM 11  I can easily 
select the correct project template when I want to publish the document from 
there.

I know this has to be fairly simply, but its escaping me.

Thx
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FM 11/RH10 > Multiscreen HTML Output - making changes to the default Desktop output

[Martinek, Carla]

Ok, I realize now I'm probably off base with my question...  ugh. HTML5 and the 
WebHelp Pro output are not the same.  Looked at it in a different way and 
figured out where I was going wrong.

So what I need is to create(modify) an HTML 5 desktop screen layout that uses 
one of the skins from the gallery... is that possible to define easily, or is 
it a major design from scratch issue?

Thanks to grainge.org for clearing up some things for me between the skins and 
screen layouts.

http://www.grainge.org/pages/authoring/rh_tour/rh10_new/multiscreen/rh10_multiscreen.htm

-Carla


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:38 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 11/RH10 > Multiscreen HTML Output - making changes to the default 
Desktop output

Ok, I've been trying to find this answer in the RoboHelp and FrameMaker help 
all morning, and not having any luck, so I'll throw it out to the group. It's 
been a decade-plus since I worked in RoboHelp, so don't remember much. My 
source content is in FM11.

I know what I want to do, just not how to make it happen. I want to use one of 
the skins that shipped with RH10 in the Multiscreen HTML 5 output (for the 
WebHelp/Desktop output). I was able to create an individual WebHelp_Pro layout 
using my preferred skin, but cannot for the life of me figure out how/where to 
edit the default Multiscreen HTML 5 Desktop output/layout to use that same 
skin. How/where do I go in RH to make that change?

Once I know how to change one of the output layouts in the Multiscreen layout, 
I can change the other layouts as desired. Once back in FM 11  I can easily 
select the correct project template when I want to publish the document from 
there.

I know this has to be fairly simply, but its escaping me.

Thx
Carla





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TCS4 question - individual app updates

[Martinek, Carla]

Looking at the FAQs for TCS4 Subscription model...

If we go with the subscription option, and an individual application in the 
suite (Illustrator, for example) has  a major dot release a few months before 
TCS, would we receive the dot release, or have to wait until TCS does its dot 
release?

-Carla




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[Martinek, Carla]

Looking at the FAQs for TCS4 Subscription model...

If we go with the subscription option, and an individual application in the 
suite (Illustrator, for example) has  a major dot release a few months before 
TCS, would we receive the dot release, or have to wait until TCS does its dot 
release?

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FM11 - Delay with F8 and F9 applying formats

[Martinek, Carla]

Has anyone else noticed a delay when using F8/F9 for apply formats in FM11?

We set up the shortcuts for styles years ago so we only had to 1-3 keys for 
applying them.  It seems to me in FM11 with the format list popping up, there's 
a 1/2 second or longer delay when trying to apply styles.

For example, we use the key combo F8b4ENTER to apply one of our bullet 
styles. BUT.. in FM11, I've been ending up with our 1_Heading1 style (since its 
first in line of style names) because the system is playing catch up. It's 
registering F8, but then has to display the list, so b4 is missed and it just 
registers the ENTER, applying the first style in the list.

-Carla


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RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Martinek, Carla]

Syed -

I've been using Frame since 1991 (Frame 2.0.)

We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready to switch, but when we looked 
at FM11 and the new multi-HTML output that appears to be as easy as Flare, it 
made us stop and take another look. We don't know which way we're going yet.. 
back into evaluation mode.

That said, MadCap being a smaller company is, in general, much more responsive 
in regards to feature requests. Much like Frame Technologies (and DataLogics) 
were in the early days with Frame. Their Platinum support plan is worth its 
cost when you are first using it, and Flare imports Framemaker files directly. 
However, my recent talk with an Adobe sales mgr letting them know we were 
*seriously* evaluating a competitor seems to have gotten me better response 
regarding some of the issues I've been having  - more so than I've seen in 
years.

Cost-wise, it may be worth it to you to look at the Adobe cloud-based 
subscription model. That is supposed to include the latest versions whenever 
released, but I haven't evaluated the overall cost on a yearly basis yet.

-Carla





-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:02 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Kapil Verma; Robert Lauriston; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Hi, Kapil.

Okay, I just got off the phone with somebody in the FrameMaker team. Her 
statement to me was that the Update Plan for FrameMaker is indeed either dead, 
or essentially not available anymore to anybody who has less than 10,000 points 
in the Adobe systems.

The bottom line: all users with few licenses are essentially shut out.

So, it seems that I did *not* get wrong information from the Adobe sales rep I 
spoke to before!

For me, this means that FrameMaker 11 is the _last_ version I will ever use 
(after having been on the FrameMaker wagon since 1988).

Because the version upgrade pricing has gotten way out of hand - from my 
perspective, _most_ (almost all) of what I paid for with the FM 10 and FM 11 
upgrades were bug-fixes for version 9 really!

At $399 for the last upgrade, this is simply not acceptable anymore. Even my 
purchase of the 2 year update plan was for naught (based on my sign-up date for 
the Update plan, I had to pay for the FM 11 version upgrade _separately_ 
anyway), since I have not seen FrameMaker 12 come out in that time.

I have already begun looking for alternatives and will make do without 
FrameMaker as soon as we can finish this project - I suspect that my last 
purchase of any FrameMaker-related product will be for Mif2Go to get all 
current FrameMaker documents into some other tool.

Regards,

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:41 AM
To: Kapil Verma; Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Thanks for the response, Kapil.

Yes, I would like to get information - the last time, I bought a 2 year Update 
Plan directly at the Adobe web site (may have been the Adobe store?) in May of 
2011, but cannot find that link on the site anymore.

Please do let me know who I can speak to about this (as an FYI, I did get an 
e-mail from somebody else on the FrameMaker team, but we did not connect on 
Friday).

Z

-Original Message-
From: Kapil Verma [mailto:kve...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Robert Lauriston; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Hi Syed,

This is Kapil Verma, Adobe Tech Comm Product Manager. Unfortunately, you have 
been given wrong information. We continue to offer upgrade plans for both 
FrameMaker and Acrobat. If you are interested in purchasing/renewing, I will be 
more than happy to put you in touch with the right folks here at Adobe. Sorry 
about the confusion.

P.S. It will be great if you can email me separately (off list) with some more 
info on who you had talked to and how did you reach them

Thanks,
Kapil Verma

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:31 AM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Robert Lauriston wrote:
 I had to phone them.

Ok-a-a-y ... I am confused now. I just spoke with an Adobe sales rep who claims 
that they are no longer offering the 

RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Martinek, Carla]

File  Publish. It may only be active if you have the TCS4 suite installed. I'm 
no expert on this by any means... this is just a couple days of playing around 
with the trial version and seeing what happens.

Shocked me at how simple it was to publish from unstructured Frame. Yes, it 
starts using their default templates. You'll definitely spend a significant 
amount of time setting up style sheets, etc. (But probably less than you would 
setting up EDDs, etc. for structured Frame the old way.)

-C


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From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:29 PM
To: Martinek, Carla; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

What new multi-HTML output? The only thing I find in the what's new in FM 
11 doc that fits that description is for FrameMaker Publishing Server, which 
costs $15,000.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS8AEE774C-1C6E-43df-95CF-D8C34DA30B21.html#WS92ce23f8a8bab2f32e3840e513712214dd7-7ff4

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Martinek, Carla cmarti...@zebra.com wrote:
 We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready to switch, but when we 
 looked at FM11 and the new multi-HTML output that appears to be as easy as 
 Flare, it made us stop and take another look. We don't know which way we're 
 going yet.. back into evaluation mode.


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Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Martinek, Carla]

Syed -

I've been using Frame since 1991 (Frame 2.0.)

We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready to switch, but when we looked 
at FM11 and the new multi-HTML output that appears to be as easy as Flare, it 
made us stop and take another look. We don't know which way we're going yet.. 
back into evaluation mode.

That said, MadCap being a smaller company is, in general, much more responsive 
in regards to feature requests. Much like Frame Technologies (and DataLogics) 
were in the early days with Frame. Their Platinum support plan is worth its 
cost when you are first using it, and Flare imports Framemaker files directly. 
However, my recent talk with an Adobe sales mgr letting them know we were 
*seriously* evaluating a competitor seems to have gotten me better response 
regarding some of the issues I've been having  - more so than I've seen in 
years.

Cost-wise, it may be worth it to you to look at the Adobe cloud-based 
subscription model. That is supposed to include the latest versions whenever 
released, but I haven't evaluated the overall cost on a yearly basis yet.

-Carla





-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:02 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Kapil Verma; Robert 
Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Hi, Kapil.

Okay, I just got off the phone with somebody "in the FrameMaker team". Her 
statement to me was that the Update Plan for FrameMaker is indeed either dead, 
or essentially not available anymore to anybody who has less than 10,000 points 
in the Adobe systems.

The bottom line: all users with few licenses are essentially shut out.

So, it seems that I did *not* get wrong information from the Adobe sales rep I 
spoke to before!

For me, this means that FrameMaker 11 is the _last_ version I will ever use 
(after having been on the FrameMaker wagon since 1988).

Because the version upgrade pricing has gotten way out of hand - from my 
perspective, _most_ (almost all) of what I paid for with the FM 10 and FM 11 
upgrades were bug-fixes for version 9 really!

At $399 for the last upgrade, this is simply not acceptable anymore. Even my 
purchase of the 2 year update plan was for naught (based on my sign-up date for 
the Update plan, I had to pay for the FM 11 version upgrade _separately_ 
anyway), since I have not seen FrameMaker 12 come out in that time.

I have already begun looking for alternatives and will make do without 
FrameMaker as soon as we can finish this project - I suspect that my last 
purchase of any FrameMaker-related product will be for Mif2Go to get all 
current FrameMaker documents into some other tool.

Regards,

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:41 AM
To: Kapil Verma; Robert Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Thanks for the response, Kapil.

Yes, I would like to get information - the last time, I bought a 2 year Update 
Plan directly at the Adobe web site (may have been the Adobe store?) in May of 
2011, but cannot find that link on the site anymore.

Please do let me know who I can speak to about this (as an FYI, I did get an 
e-mail from somebody else on the FrameMaker team, but we did not connect on 
Friday).

Z

-Original Message-
From: Kapil Verma [mailto:kve...@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Robert Lauriston; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Hi Syed,

This is Kapil Verma, Adobe Tech Comm Product Manager. Unfortunately, you have 
been given wrong information. We continue to offer upgrade plans for both 
FrameMaker and Acrobat. If you are interested in purchasing/renewing, I will be 
more than happy to put you in touch with the right folks here at Adobe. Sorry 
about the confusion.

P.S. It will be great if you can email me separately (off list) with some more 
info on who you had talked to and how did you reach them

Thanks,
Kapil Verma

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:31 AM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

Robert Lauriston wrote:
> I had to phone them.

Ok-a-a-y ... I am confused now. I just spoke with an Adobe sales rep who claims 

Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

[Martinek, Carla]

File > Publish. It may only be active if you have the TCS4 suite installed. I'm 
no expert on this by any means... this is just a couple days of playing around 
with the trial version and seeing what happens.

Shocked me at how simple it was to publish from unstructured Frame. Yes, it 
starts using their default templates. You'll definitely spend a significant 
amount of time setting up style sheets, etc. (But probably less than you would 
setting up EDDs, etc. for structured Frame the old way.)

-C


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From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 1:29 PM
To: Martinek, Carla; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract 
for FrameMaker?

What "new multi-HTML output"? The only thing I find in the "what's new in FM 
11" doc that fits that description is for FrameMaker Publishing Server, which 
costs $15,000.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WS8AEE774C-1C6E-43df-95CF-D8C34DA30B21.html#WS92ce23f8a8bab2f32e3840e513712214dd7-7ff4

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Martinek, Carla  wrote:
> We've been evaluating MadCap Flare and were ready to switch, but when we 
> looked at FM11 and the new multi-HTML output that appears to be as easy as 
> Flare, it made us stop and take another look. We don't know which way we're 
> going yet.. back into evaluation mode.


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FM11 - Delay with F8 and F9 applying formats

[Martinek, Carla]

Has anyone else noticed a delay when using F8/F9 for apply formats in FM11?

We set up the shortcuts for styles years ago so we only had to 1-3 keys for 
applying them.  It seems to me in FM11 with the format list popping up, there's 
a 1/2 second or longer delay when trying to apply styles.

For example, we use the key combo F8>b4>ENTER to apply one of our bullet 
styles. BUT.. in FM11, I've been ending up with our 1_Heading1 style (since its 
first in line of style names) because the system is playing catch up. It's 
registering F8, but then has to display the list, so "b4" is missed and it just 
registers the ENTER, applying the first style in the list.

-Carla


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RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:39 AM
To: 'Alan T Litchfield'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.

Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my script 
($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user variables, 
characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find:
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to, and 
column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the document's 
catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the document, the find 
format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column one, 
its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same 
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the book 
or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder, the log will 
be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.com



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FM11 output crashing - silentrobohtml.exe appcrash

[Martinek, Carla]

Ignore previous email... (responding to Rick's question)

We're looking at TCS4, trying to output one of our manuals using the default 
Multiscreen HTML5 output targets.

I did this successfully once... but now with the exact same document, its 
crashing with the following error:

RoboHelp command line did not execute successfully.
Details are that its an APPCRASH of silentrobohtml.exe

My coworker is having the same problem.

Any suggestions/solutions?

-Carla


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Need to get my FM11 styles under control

[Martinek, Carla]

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:39 AM
To: 'Alan T Litchfield'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

>Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.
>
>Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my script 
($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user variables, 
characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find:
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to, and 
column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the document's 
catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the document, the find 
format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column one, 
its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same 
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the book 
or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder, the log will 
be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com



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FM11 output crashing - silentrobohtml.exe appcrash

[Martinek, Carla]

Ignore previous email... (responding to Rick's question)

We're looking at TCS4, trying to output one of our manuals using the default 
Multiscreen HTML5 output targets.

I did this successfully once... but now with the exact same document, its 
crashing with the following error:

RoboHelp command line did not execute successfully.
Details are that its an APPCRASH of silentrobohtml.exe

My coworker is having the same problem.

Any suggestions/solutions?

-Carla


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Importing Variables into files in Groups or Folders

[Martinek, Carla]

Could someone else give this issue a try on their machine before I put a bug 
report in?

Just looking for a third-party validation.

Thanks,
Carla


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:45 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Importing Variables into files in Groups or Folders

I've got a FM10 book... up until very recently, we avoided using Groups or 
Folders in the book file because we needed to use the Archive plugin, which 
wasn't compatible. Rick Quatro's new script takes care of that problem, so I 
grouped files for my 500+ file programming guide to make life easier.

I've just discovered that I can't import a user variable setting into any files 
that are in a group or folder in the book.  I've tried importing from a 
top-level file, a file within a folder or group, and even setting a folder to 
subscribe to a template file with the correct settings. Variables *will* import 
into top-level files in the book without problem. Only files in groups/folders 
are affected.

Coworker managed to discover that if the files in the folder/group are *open* 
she could import variables, but not if closed. My system would not import 
whether they were open or closed.

My system:
FM10 - 10.0.1.402
Win XP
Dell T5400 w/Intel Xeon E5405 @ 2GHz
3GB RAM

Coworker (working remotely)
New Dell engineering laptop (don't have exact specs, but it's at least as good 
as my desktop)
Windows 7
FM10 - 10.0.1.402

Am I crazy? I can't believe I'm the first to find this problem, but I don't see 
any mention of it in the archives.

-Carla


  
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Importing Variables into files in Groups or Folders

[Martinek, Carla]

I've got a FM10 book... up until very recently, we avoided using Groups or 
Folders in the book file because we needed to use the Archive plugin, which 
wasn't compatible. Rick Quatro's new script takes care of that problem, so I 
grouped files for my 500+ file programming guide to make life easier.

I've just discovered that I can't import a user variable setting into any files 
that are in a group or folder in the book.  I've tried importing from a 
top-level file, a file within a folder or group, and even setting a folder to 
subscribe to a template file with the correct settings. Variables *will* import 
into top-level files in the book without problem. Only files in groups/folders 
are affected.

Coworker managed to discover that if the files in the folder/group are *open* 
she could import variables, but not if closed. My system would not import 
whether they were open or closed.

My system:
FM10 - 10.0.1.402
Win XP
Dell T5400 w/Intel Xeon E5405 @ 2GHz
3GB RAM

Coworker (working remotely)
New Dell engineering laptop (don't have exact specs, but it's at least as good 
as my desktop)
Windows 7
FM10 - 10.0.1.402

Am I crazy? I can't believe I'm the first to find this problem, but I don't see 
any mention of it in the archives.

-Carla



  
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Importing Variables into files in Groups or Folders

[Martinek, Carla]

I've got a FM10 book... up until very recently, we avoided using Groups or 
Folders in the book file because we needed to use the Archive plugin, which 
wasn't compatible. Rick Quatro's new script takes care of that problem, so I 
grouped files for my 500+ file programming guide to make life easier.

I've just discovered that I can't import a user variable setting into any files 
that are in a group or folder in the book.  I've tried importing from a 
top-level file, a file within a folder or group, and even setting a folder to 
subscribe to a template file with the correct settings. Variables *will* import 
into top-level files in the book without problem. Only files in groups/folders 
are affected.

Coworker managed to discover that if the files in the folder/group are *open* 
she could import variables, but not if closed. My system would not import 
whether they were open or closed.

My system:
FM10 - 10.0.1.402
Win XP
Dell T5400 w/Intel Xeon E5405 @ 2GHz
3GB RAM

Coworker (working remotely)
New Dell engineering laptop (don't have exact specs, but it's at least as good 
as my desktop)
Windows 7
FM10 - 10.0.1.402

Am I crazy? I can't believe I'm the first to find this problem, but I don't see 
any mention of it in the archives.

-Carla



  
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RE: Frame 10 crashes and corruption

[Martinek, Carla]

Intex Xeon CPU
E5405 @ 2.00GHz
1.99 GHz, 3.00 GB of Ram

11GB free on C: drive
Files stored on network drive

In my case, I found that a book file corrupted. I've also had random crashes 
and can't think of anything unusual I've done. 

I'd done nothing unusual - I tried to open a file within the book, and it 
crashed. Repeatedly. I went to a backup of the file, replaced the original 
file, and then tried opening it from the book again, and it crashed. I realized 
that my book file was corrupted, so I had to create a new one.

My coworker gets random crashes, often when trying to do something with 
conditional text. I haven't had to work with conditional text as much, so I'm 
not seeing it.

FM 10 also appears to be slow on my system - much more so than FM9. I've run 
both FM9 and FM10 on this same system.

If I have a business case, I can request an upgrade to Win7.

-Carla




Files are legacy files that were updated from FM9 files.
Some files have been MIF-washed in FM10, but not all.

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:34 PM
To: Martinek, Carla
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: Frame 10 crashes and corruption

Could you give more details on your environment? Could you give some
details on how much RAM, how much free space; are the FM files and
graphics local or on a server, etc   and what exactly do you mean
by simple tasks?

Are the files and books you're working with FM 10 files, or legacy
files that you rolled forward from earlier releases? If they did come
from earlier releases, did you MIF-wash the files in 10?

For the record, on Win 7 32 and 64 systems with 4-8 G RAM, I don't
remember the last time I had a 10 crash.

Art Campbell
               art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
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On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Martinek, Carla cmarti...@zebra.com wrote:
 A couple of us here at work are experiencing repeated Frame 10 crashes and 
 file corruptions while doing *simple* tasks. It so bad that one writer is 
 considering saving all of her work back down to FM9 format and returning to 
 that.

 Are others having the same problem?

 We're on WinXP SP3 with FM10.0.1.402.

 And, on a related note, although I'm sure the developers considered it a 
 feature and not a bug that they introduced, I noticed that the sort order 
 for para styles has been messed with.         Again.           NOW FM10 is 
 sorting UPPERCASE letters prior to lowercase letters, whereas in FM9 it was 
 lowercase then uppercase.

 I and a few others fought this battle during the FM9 beta, and as a result 
 the SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On/Off parameter was added to the 
 maker.ini file so you could specify your preferred sort order (in FM8 and 
 older, symbols sorted before alpha/numeric - in FM9, they had them sorting 
 afterwards, unless you changed the parameter.)

 Might not be a big issue to some people, but when you have shortcuts for the 
 F8 and F9 keys built into your style names, it plays havoc with what styles 
 are applied as compared to what you expect to be applied.

 -C


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Frame 10 crashes and corruption

[Martinek, Carla]

Intex Xeon CPU
E5405 @ 2.00GHz
1.99 GHz, 3.00 GB of Ram

11GB free on C: drive
Files stored on network drive

In my case, I found that a book file corrupted. I've also had random crashes 
and can't think of anything unusual I've done. 

I'd done nothing unusual - I tried to open a file within the book, and it 
crashed. Repeatedly. I went to a backup of the file, replaced the original 
file, and then tried opening it from the book again, and it crashed. I realized 
that my book file was corrupted, so I had to create a new one.

My coworker gets random crashes, often when trying to do something with 
conditional text. I haven't had to work with conditional text as much, so I'm 
not seeing it.

FM 10 also appears to be slow on my system - much more so than FM9. I've run 
both FM9 and FM10 on this same system.

If I have a business case, I can request an upgrade to Win7.

-Carla




Files are legacy files that were updated from FM9 files.
Some files have been MIF-washed in FM10, but not all.

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:34 PM
To: Martinek, Carla
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: Frame 10 crashes and corruption

Could you give more details on your environment? Could you give some
details on how much RAM, how much free space; are the FM files and
graphics local or on a server, etc   and what exactly do you mean
by "simple tasks"?

Are the files and books you're working with FM 10 files, or legacy
files that you rolled forward from earlier releases? If they did come
from earlier releases, did you MIF-wash the files in 10?

For the record, on Win 7 32 and 64 systems with 4-8 G RAM, I don't
remember the last time I had a 10 crash.

Art Campbell
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Martinek, Carla  wrote:
> A couple of us here at work are experiencing repeated Frame 10 crashes and 
> file corruptions while doing *simple* tasks. It so bad that one writer is 
> considering saving all of her work back down to FM9 format and returning to 
> that.
>
> Are others having the same problem?
>
> We're on WinXP SP3 with FM10.0.1.402.
>
> And, on a related note, although I'm sure the developers considered it a 
> "feature" and not a "bug" that they introduced, I noticed that the sort order 
> for para styles has been messed with. ? ? ? ? Again. ? ? ? ? ? NOW FM10 is 
> sorting UPPERCASE letters prior to lowercase letters, whereas in FM9 it was 
> lowercase then uppercase.
>
> I and a few others fought this battle during the FM9 beta, and as a result 
> the SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On/Off parameter was added to the 
> maker.ini file so you could specify your preferred sort order (in FM8 and 
> older, symbols sorted before alpha/numeric - in FM9, they had them sorting 
> afterwards, unless you changed the parameter.)
>
> Might not be a big issue to some people, but when you have shortcuts for the 
> F8 and F9 keys built into your style names, it plays havoc with what styles 
> are applied as compared to what you expect to be applied.
>
> -C
>
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Frame 10 crashes and corruption

[Martinek, Carla]

A couple of us here at work are experiencing repeated Frame 10 crashes and file 
corruptions while doing *simple* tasks. It so bad that one writer is 
considering saving all of her work back down to FM9 format and returning to 
that.

Are others having the same problem?

We're on WinXP SP3 with FM10.0.1.402.

And, on a related note, although I'm sure the developers considered it a 
feature and not a bug that they introduced, I noticed that the sort order 
for para styles has been messed with. Again.   NOW FM10 is 
sorting UPPERCASE letters prior to lowercase letters, whereas in FM9 it was 
lowercase then uppercase.

I and a few others fought this battle during the FM9 beta, and as a result the 
SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On/Off parameter was added to the maker.ini 
file so you could specify your preferred sort order (in FM8 and older, symbols 
sorted before alpha/numeric - in FM9, they had them sorting afterwards, unless 
you changed the parameter.)

Might not be a big issue to some people, but when you have shortcuts for the F8 
and F9 keys built into your style names, it plays havoc with what styles are 
applied as compared to what you expect to be applied.

-C


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Frame 10 crashes and corruption

[Martinek, Carla]

A couple of us here at work are experiencing repeated Frame 10 crashes and file 
corruptions while doing *simple* tasks. It so bad that one writer is 
considering saving all of her work back down to FM9 format and returning to 
that.

Are others having the same problem?

We're on WinXP SP3 with FM10.0.1.402.

And, on a related note, although I'm sure the developers considered it a 
"feature" and not a "bug" that they introduced, I noticed that the sort order 
for para styles has been messed with. Again.   NOW FM10 is 
sorting UPPERCASE letters prior to lowercase letters, whereas in FM9 it was 
lowercase then uppercase.

I and a few others fought this battle during the FM9 beta, and as a result the 
SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On/Off parameter was added to the maker.ini 
file so you could specify your preferred sort order (in FM8 and older, symbols 
sorted before alpha/numeric - in FM9, they had them sorting afterwards, unless 
you changed the parameter.)

Might not be a big issue to some people, but when you have shortcuts for the F8 
and F9 keys built into your style names, it plays havoc with what styles are 
applied as compared to what you expect to be applied.

-C


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Book file crashing on opening

[Martinek, Carla]

Happening on multiple books, multiple systems.

Win XP - 32 and 64 bit systems
Frame 9.0p250

Trying to open the book and it crashes.

Error from the 64 bit system is:
Error: 9004, 5242025, 5220528, 6335630

Error from the 32 bit system is:
Internal Error: 9004, 5242201, 5220704, 6335918

The 64-bit system user is uninstalling plugins and trying it without, and then 
reading slowly to see if any of them are the problem.

Any other ideas?

- Carla


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RE: Book file crashing on opening

[Martinek, Carla]

I stand corrected I was on p250, the 64-bit user is on p255.

So it's on both patches that we had trouble. And yes, the first thing I did was 
go to the forums.

-Carla
(who just updated hers...)




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Book file crashing on opening

[Martinek, Carla]

Happening on multiple books, multiple systems.

Win XP - 32 and 64 bit systems
Frame 9.0p250

Trying to open the book and it crashes.

Error from the 64 bit system is:
Error: 9004, 5242025, 5220528, 6335630

Error from the 32 bit system is:
Internal Error: 9004, 5242201, 5220704, 6335918

The 64-bit system user is uninstalling plugins and trying it without, and then 
reading slowly to see if any of them are the problem.

Any other ideas?

- Carla


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Book file crashing on opening

[Martinek, Carla]

I stand corrected I was on p250, the 64-bit user is on p255.

So it's on both patches that we had trouble. And yes, the first thing I did was 
go to the forums.

-Carla
(who just updated hers...)




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Temporarily hide graphics?

[Martinek, Carla]

I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, checking 
pagination, headers/footers, etc.

I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that allowed you to 
"turn off" graphics. This would allow you to page through the FM files quicker 
in a doc such as this.

Help? Or am I mis-remembering this and thinking of another application?

-Carla




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Temporarily hide graphics?

[Martinek, Carla]

Never mind... spend 10 minutes looking, send the email, and *then* find it.

Show Graphics - Esc Shift+v v s
Hide Graphics - Esc Shift+v v h



-Original Message-
From: Martinek, Carla
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:04 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Temporarily hide graphics?

I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, checking 
pagination, headers/footers, etc.

I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that allowed you to 
"turn off" graphics. This would allow you to page through the FM files quicker 
in a doc such as this.

Help? Or am I mis-remembering this and thinking of another application?

-Carla




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PLM Publisher?

[Martinek, Carla]

Is anyone on the list familiar with PLM Publisher 
(www.sinteg.chhttp://www.sinteg.ch)?  I'm looking for feedback of any kind.

Their brochure for their FrameMaker product (they also do Quicksilver and 
InDesign versions):
 
http://www.sinteg.ch/index.php?section=media1act=downloadpath=/media/archive1/file=plm_publisher_fm_broschure_en.pdf

PLM Publisher is a document authoring tool for content editing, management and 
publication of complex documentations like manuals and catalogs. PLM Publisher 
seamlessly binds Adobe FrameMaker with the Product Lifecycle and Document 
Management Solution Oracle Agile PLM. It enables a streamlining of editing 
processes. Technical writers are provided with a tool that can be used to 
efficiently create and manage content modules (compound documents) and compile 
them into an information network. A subsequent publishing process allows for 
the production of various document types. Throughout all phases of the 
documentation creation process, PLM Publisher proves to be a powerful tool that 
supports technical writers in their daily work.

We use Agile PLM in our company, and one of the Agile gurus insisted that we 
should be using Agile as the CMS to manage our FrameMaker docs. I laughed... 
one of my manuals is 1100 pages, made up of 500+ topical files. There was NO 
WAY I would be manually checking out that many files myself, and he couldn't 
offer any kind of automated check-in/out for that quantity of files, at least 
in a way that supported my needs.

However, I found this plug-in in my own searches, and have requested more info 
from the company. Their website is shockingly sparse, which does not bode well 
IMHO, but we'll see. Hence my request to all of you.

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PLM Publisher?

[Martinek, Carla]

Is anyone on the list familiar with PLM Publisher 
(www.sinteg.ch)?  I'm looking for feedback of any kind.

Their brochure for their FrameMaker product (they also do Quicksilver and 
InDesign versions):
 
http://www.sinteg.ch/index.php?section=media1=download=/media/archive1/=plm_publisher_fm_broschure_en.pdf

"PLM Publisher is a document authoring tool for content editing, management and 
publication of complex documentations like manuals and catalogs. PLM Publisher 
seamlessly binds Adobe FrameMaker with the Product Lifecycle and Document 
Management Solution Oracle Agile PLM. It enables a streamlining of editing 
processes. Technical writers are provided with a tool that can be used to 
efficiently create and manage content modules (compound documents) and compile 
them into an information network. A subsequent publishing process allows for 
the production of various document types. Throughout all phases of the 
documentation creation process, PLM Publisher proves to be a powerful tool that 
supports technical writers in their daily work."

We use Agile PLM in our company, and one of the Agile gurus insisted that we 
should be using Agile as the CMS to manage our FrameMaker docs. I laughed... 
one of my manuals is 1100 pages, made up of 500+ topical files. There was NO 
WAY I would be manually checking out that many files myself, and he couldn't 
offer any kind of automated check-in/out for that quantity of files, at least 
in a way that supported my needs.

However, I found this plug-in in my own searches, and have requested more info 
from the company. Their website is shockingly sparse, which does not bode well 
IMHO, but we'll see. Hence my request to all of you.

-Carla




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RE: Dinner's on Me

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Thanks to all who responded (and there were several - this is the BEST list!) 
I'm going to take a look at what we have and talk with a few people, and go 
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Thanks to all who responded (and there were several - this is the BEST list!) 
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Dinner's on Me

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Seriously. :) If you're interested in helping me out, contact me OFF LIST.

We've been wanting to convert our content to DITA for a couple of years now. 
This is one of my spare-time projects - and of course I never have any spare 
time because we have three fewer people than we did three years ago, but more 
products to document. I've done some webinars and one short seminar, been 
through some books, but haven't converted any of my content yet. I've got 
theoretical knowledge, but no real practical DITA XML experience.

However... I've just been informed that we will be meeting with Tech Support in 
a week or two to work on finally getting all of our content into XML so we can 
share it between the groups.

What I'm offering dinner  for is someone who is well-versed in DITA and FM and 
who is willing to convert some sample pages of our documentation (a few pages 
from our programming guide, and a few pages from the user manual) so that I can 
see what *my* content looks like as DITA. From that I can figure out my mapping 
tables going forward. We don't have the budget to send our content out for 
conversion, so I'll be starting with one guide at first and working from there 
as we update. It's going to be a FUN year for me!!! (Can you hear the sarcasm?) 
My first project will be an 1100-page programming guide. Fortunately, it's 
about 500 files, each of which is a command, so it's very repetitive in its 
structure. Get one command done, and I have the blueprint for the other 499.

Our source files are in FM9 (but I can provide FM8 if needed), and Structured 
FM w/DITA will be our XML environment at this time.  We use a LOT of 
conditional text because the content is shared across multiple product lines. 
We build chapters and books out of topical files, but content is not stored in 
a CMS at this time.

Dinner will be in the form of a gift card for your favorite chain dinner place 
(Applebee's, Fridays, Red Lobster, etc,  you pick what works for you). This is 
out of my pocket, not the company's, but it's to make my job easier going 
forward.


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Dinner's on Me

[Martinek, Carla]

Seriously. :) If you're interested in helping me out, contact me OFF LIST.

We've been wanting to convert our content to DITA for a couple of years now. 
This is one of my "spare-time" projects - and of course I never have any spare 
time because we have three fewer people than we did three years ago, but more 
products to document. I've done some webinars and one short seminar, been 
through some books, but haven't converted any of my content yet. I've got 
theoretical knowledge, but no real practical DITA XML experience.

However... I've just been informed that we will be meeting with Tech Support in 
a week or two to work on finally getting all of our content into XML so we can 
share it between the groups.

What I'm offering dinner  for is someone who is well-versed in DITA and FM and 
who is willing to convert some sample pages of our documentation (a few pages 
from our programming guide, and a few pages from the user manual) so that I can 
see what *my* content looks like as DITA. From that I can figure out my mapping 
tables going forward. We don't have the budget to send our content out for 
conversion, so I'll be starting with one guide at first and working from there 
as we update. It's going to be a FUN year for me!!! (Can you hear the sarcasm?) 
My first project will be an 1100-page programming guide. Fortunately, it's 
about 500 files, each of which is a command, so it's very repetitive in its 
structure. Get one command done, and I have the blueprint for the other 499.

Our source files are in FM9 (but I can provide FM8 if needed), and Structured 
FM w/DITA will be our XML environment at this time.  We use a LOT of 
conditional text because the content is shared across multiple product lines. 
We build chapters and books out of topical files, but content is not stored in 
a CMS at this time.

Dinner will be in the form of a gift card for your favorite chain dinner place 
(Applebee's, Fridays, Red Lobster, etc,  you pick what works for you). This is 
out of my pocket, not the company's, but it's to make my job easier going 
forward.


Regards, and many thanks
Carla
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RE: fonts in Frame9 on Win7

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-Original Message-
First of all, it groups all fonts of the same family together. For example,
all Arial is listed as one font, but if you click on that font, it opens a
window showing all the styles. For some Adobe font families, you might see
thirty-something typefaces that way and others, you might see several
separate groupings.

---

Sounds very much like what I remember on the Mac ages ago. Then again, that 
could have been because we used Suitcase to manage fonts back then. (Absolutely 
loved that program.)

It's still available, and on both Win and Mac...just wish I had a reason for 
some creative font use instead of a rigid corporate template.

 http://www.extensis.com/en/products/suitcasefusion2/whats-new.jsp?ref=btnindx

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fonts in Frame9 on Win7

[Martinek, Carla]

-Original Message-
First of all, it groups all fonts of the same family together. For example,
all Arial is listed as one font, but if you click on that font, it opens a
window showing all the styles. For some Adobe font families, you might see
thirty-something typefaces that way and others, you might see several
separate groupings.

---

Sounds very much like what I remember on the Mac ages ago. Then again, that 
could have been because we used Suitcase to manage fonts back then. (Absolutely 
loved that program.)

It's still available, and on both Win and Mac...just wish I had a reason for 
some creative font use instead of a rigid corporate template.

 http://www.extensis.com/en/products/suitcasefusion2/whats-new.jsp?ref=btnindx

-Carla


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Running FM9 (and TCS2) on 64-bit systems

[Martinek, Carla]

What about XP 64-bit versions? We need to upgrade systems to 64-bit to access 
graphics out of the CAD system our engineers are using.

Upgrading the entire department to FM9 if necessary right now isn't an issue, 
but not being able to run FM at all in XP 64-bit will be...


-Carla



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:48 AM
To: matt at grafixtraining.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Pam Coca'; RJ 
Jacquez
Subject: RE: Running FM9 (and TCS2) on 64-bit systems

FrameMaker automatically runs properly in 32-bit mode in Vista 64-bit and 
Windows 7
64-bit versions. There is nothing that you need to do to cause this to happen.

- Dov

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> From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:matt at grafixtraining.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:19 AM
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> Subject: Running FM9 (and TCS2) on 64-bit systems
>
> In listening to various sources discuss this, can someone clarify this issue
> for me?
>
> Does Frame automatically run in 32-bit mode on a Vista 64-bit system, or do
> you have to do setup to get it to run properly.
>
>
> -Matt
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> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:03 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Soliciting hardware recommendations
>
> FrameMaker certainly does run on Vista 64-bit and runs exceptionally well!
> I ran FrameMaker 8 and now FrameMaker 9 in that environment without any
> problem whatsoever.
>
> What is true is that FrameMaker is a 32-bit application. Vista 64-bit runs
> 32-bit applications without a problem in 32-bit mode. What you do gain
> running a program like FrameMaker under Vista 64-bit is the ability of
> support much larger amounts of real memory (I run with 8 gigabytes) and thus
> run the risk of less paging activity to kill performance when running
> multiple applications concurrently! Also, I have found Vista 64-bit to be
> rock solid, running for weeks on end without reboots; my only reboots being
> necessary for the monthly "Patch Tuesday" Microsoft OS updates.
>
>   - Dov
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr.
> > Winfried
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:28 AM
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> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > If you get an Intel Core 2 Duo (or Core 2 Quad) system, running at
> > > 2.6GHz or higher, with 4GB of DDR2 RAM and 7200rpm drives (RAID 0
> > > might be a bit of overkill but easy enough to do), Windows Vista
> > > Business 64-bit, and something like an nVidia 9600GT card or better,
> > > you will have *more* than enough power to run FrameMaker with
> > > excellent performance. This should cost under $1000 or so ...
> > > depending on the other options you want on it.
> >
> > Of course you can continue to use a Mac system.
> > Only a correction regarding Vista 64 bit. As far as I know FrameMaker
> > does not run on 64 bit Vista.
> > That was posted here several times.
> >
> > Best regards
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RE: Xrefs lose formatting

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Fred -

Do you have FrameScript? We had the same problem, and I have a script that 
someone sent me that opens all the files in the book, updates the xrefs, and 
closes them. Gets rid of the black/blue issue.

I wish I could remember who provided the script - but they didn't comment their 
info into it.

-Carla


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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:35 AM
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Subject: Xrefs lose formatting

I have a problem with my cross references losing their formatting. In my
xrefs to chapters and sections, the chapter or section name has a
character format applied to make it blue. The format looks like this:

Hypertext$paratext, Default ¶ Fonton page\ $chapnum\+$pagenum

The Hypertext format is for blue text.

I am often finding that the xrefs are black text, not blue.
Generating/updating a book does not fix this. I have to open each
chapter and go to Edit - Update References to get the formatting
applied. And it doesn't stick. The next time I open the book or even
after I close the files and then print again, I lose the formatting.

This is a relatively recent phenomenon, so something probably changed,
but I can't imagine what.

I am using Frame 8, structured. If anyone has any ideas for where I
should look for a solution, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Constantly
fixing this stuff in the production cycle is a major pain.

Fred
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Xrefs lose formatting

[Martinek, Carla]

Fred -

Do you have FrameScript? We had the same problem, and I have a script that 
someone sent me that opens all the files in the book, updates the xrefs, and 
closes them. Gets rid of the black/blue issue.

I wish I could remember who provided the script - but they didn't comment their 
info into it.

-Carla


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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:35 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Xrefs lose formatting

I have a problem with my cross references losing their formatting. In my
xrefs to chapters and sections, the chapter or section name has a
character format applied to make it blue. The format looks like this:

"<$paratext>," on page\ $chapnum>\+<$pagenum>

The Hypertext format is for blue text.

I am often finding that the xrefs are black text, not blue.
Generating/updating a book does not fix this. I have to open each
chapter and go to Edit -> Update References to get the formatting
applied. And it doesn't stick. The next time I open the book or even
after I close the files and then print again, I lose the formatting.

This is a relatively recent phenomenon, so something probably changed,
but I can't imagine what.

I am using Frame 8, structured. If anyone has any ideas for where I
should look for a solution, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Constantly
fixing this stuff in the production cycle is a major pain.

Fred
--
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Senior Technical Writer
VT MAK
68 Moulton St.
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617-876-8085 x 124

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I notice that the online archive and the emails I've received all stop
at Thursday, Aug. 6th... 

 

Did I missing something, or has everyone just been *really* quiet for
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I notice that the online archive and the emails I've received all stop
at Thursday, Aug. 6th... 



Did I missing something, or has everyone just been *really* quiet for
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RE: Esc-m-p to wrap anchored frame

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Nancy -

Another option is the shrinkwrap plugin, found here:

http://www.martinek.us/shrinkwrap.html


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Esc-m-p to wrap anchored frame

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Nancy -

Another option is the shrinkwrap plugin, found here:

http://www.martinek.us/shrinkwrap.html


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Table Footnotes

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I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
current document.
 
Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
later to find out what it means...
 
I can't seem to find a setting to change this.
 
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RE: Table Footnotes

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Thanks. 

Fred  Berny's explanations remind me why I quit using table footnotes
years ago, and rewriting the documentation to avoid them.

Now I gotta fix these... Grrr Several tables in several files.

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Table Footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

I haven't used table footnotes in ages, but I have a need for them in a
current document.

Am I losing my mind, or have they always appeared only at the *end* of
the table, even when it spans pages? Pretty darn inconvenient if you've
got a footnote on the first page of the table and have to go 2 pages
later to find out what it means...

I can't seem to find a setting to change this.

-Carla

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Table Footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Thanks. 

Fred & Berny's explanations remind me why I quit using table footnotes
years ago, and rewriting the documentation to avoid them.

Now I gotta fix these... Grrr Several tables in several files.

-Carla

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RE: Off topic: Helping translators with localised screen shots

[Martinek, Carla]

I second Art's suggestion on duplicate graphic folders for each
language, with localized files named the same as the originals. It's
exactly what we do with our translations. (We translate into 30
languages).

-Carla
 
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RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

[Martinek, Carla]

Forsooth, and if thy language dost ne'er evolv'd, henceforth thee
wouldst speaketh as the ancient Bard. Verily, the words of man must
changeth and groweth as the seasons change -- looketh upon all the
wordings which the Bard hast introduc'd into our speech. Woulds't thou
changeth all that?

-Carla
(with apologies, but since yesterday was Talk Like Shakespeare Day in
Chicago...)



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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:02 AM
To: Gene Kim-Eng; techw...@lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

Buck it, Gene - buck it! 

This isn't just a matter of a new word gatecrashing the dictionary. This
is key grammar. 

The number of people who think that legalized bad grammar is a portent
of a crumbling civilization is kinda small, but it includes me; and if
we writers don't jump up and down about this, nobody will. Grammar =
expressivity. Replace sensible grammar rules with ok, whatever and you
limit people's ability to say *exactly* what they mean. 

By the way, I'm not jumping on Gene here, or whoever wrote the original
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remember Gandhi - be the lexical change you want to see in the world!
 
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RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

[Martinek, Carla]

Sigh...  Selected the wrong list email when I sent this!!!  Sorry,
everyone.  

(FWIW, this was all about someone finding the word updation in some
outsourced programming files. And the fact that the word has been around
and in use for the past decade or so... )

TGIF is all I can say. 

-Carla

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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:31 AM
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Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

Forsooth, and if thy language dost ne'er evolv'd, henceforth thee
wouldst speaketh as the ancient Bard. Verily, the words of man must
changeth and groweth as the seasons change -- looketh upon all the
wordings which the Bard hast introduc'd into our speech. Woulds't thou
changeth all that?

-Carla
(with apologies, but since yesterday was Talk Like Shakespeare Day in
Chicago...)



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Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:02 AM
To: Gene Kim-Eng; techw...@lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

Buck it, Gene - buck it! 

This isn't just a matter of a new word gatecrashing the dictionary. This
is key grammar. 

The number of people who think that legalized bad grammar is a portent
of a crumbling civilization is kinda small, but it includes me; and if
we writers don't jump up and down about this, nobody will. Grammar =
expressivity. Replace sensible grammar rules with ok, whatever and you
limit people's ability to say *exactly* what they mean. 

By the way, I'm not jumping on Gene here, or whoever wrote the original
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remember Gandhi - be the lexical change you want to see in the world!
 
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Language and Shakespeare

[Martinek, Carla]

As a follow-up for fun on a Friday on Framers... (I love alliteration!)
 
http://www.william-shakespeare.org.uk/a2-shakespeare-insult-generator.ht
m
 
http://www.talklikeshakespeare.org/
 
-Carla
Somewhere I'm sure someone has used FrameMaker to publish the words of
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to modify the Frame dictionary when you run the spellchecker on that...
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Off topic: Helping translators with localised screen shots

[Martinek, Carla]

I second Art's suggestion on duplicate graphic folders for each
language, with localized files named the same as the originals. It's
exactly what we do with our translations. (We translate into 30
languages).

-Carla

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Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

[Martinek, Carla]

Forsooth, and if thy language dost ne'er evolv'd, henceforth thee
wouldst speaketh as the ancient Bard. Verily, the words of man must
changeth and groweth as the seasons change -- looketh upon all the
wordings which the Bard hast introduc'd into our speech. Woulds't thou
changeth all that?

-Carla
(with apologies, but since yesterday was "Talk Like Shakespeare Day" in
Chicago...)



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[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+cmartinek=zebra.com at lists.techwr-l.com] On
Behalf Of Handy, David
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:02 AM
To: Gene Kim-Eng; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

Buck it, Gene - buck it! 

This isn't just a matter of a new word gatecrashing the dictionary. This
is key grammar. 

The number of people who think that legalized bad grammar is a portent
of a crumbling civilization is kinda small, but it includes me; and if
we writers don't jump up and down about this, nobody will. Grammar =
expressivity. Replace sensible grammar rules with "ok, whatever" and you
limit people's ability to say *exactly* what they mean. 

By the way, I'm not jumping on Gene here, or whoever wrote the original
sentence - gramnmar is tough, time is short, and jargon happens. But
remember Gandhi - be the lexical change you want to see in the world!

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Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

[Martinek, Carla]

Sigh...  Selected the wrong list email when I sent this!!!  Sorry,
everyone.  

(FWIW, this was all about someone finding the word "updation" in some
outsourced programming files. And the fact that the word has been around
and in use for the past decade or so... )

TGIF is all I can say. 

-Carla

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Carla
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:31 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

Forsooth, and if thy language dost ne'er evolv'd, henceforth thee
wouldst speaketh as the ancient Bard. Verily, the words of man must
changeth and groweth as the seasons change -- looketh upon all the
wordings which the Bard hast introduc'd into our speech. Woulds't thou
changeth all that?

-Carla
(with apologies, but since yesterday was "Talk Like Shakespeare Day" in
Chicago...)



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Behalf Of Handy, David
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:02 AM
To: Gene Kim-Eng; techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: Today's exercise in misunderstanding English

Buck it, Gene - buck it! 

This isn't just a matter of a new word gatecrashing the dictionary. This
is key grammar. 

The number of people who think that legalized bad grammar is a portent
of a crumbling civilization is kinda small, but it includes me; and if
we writers don't jump up and down about this, nobody will. Grammar =
expressivity. Replace sensible grammar rules with "ok, whatever" and you
limit people's ability to say *exactly* what they mean. 

By the way, I'm not jumping on Gene here, or whoever wrote the original
sentence - gramnmar is tough, time is short, and jargon happens. But
remember Gandhi - be the lexical change you want to see in the world!

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Language and Shakespeare

[Martinek, Carla]

As a follow-up for fun on a Friday on Framers... (I love alliteration!)

http://www.william-shakespeare.org.uk/a2-shakespeare-insult-generator.ht
m

http://www.talklikeshakespeare.org/

-Carla
Somewhere I'm sure someone has used FrameMaker to publish the words of
the Bard at some point, so there's my tie-in to the list. Imagine trying
to modify the Frame dictionary when you run the spellchecker on that...
Oy!

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Table footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the
table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right up
against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it to
move.

-Carla
 
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RE: Table footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

DOH!

Thank you!  I should have known that...

Problem solved.

Carla

 

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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:42 AM
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Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Table footnotes

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martinek, Carla cmarti...@zebra.com
wrote:
 Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the 
 table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right 
 up against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it 
 to move.

The table footnote separator frame on the reference page controls the
spacing below the table, and the position of the separator line within
the frame.

HTH

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Table footnotes

[Martinek, Carla]

Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the
table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right up
against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it to
move.

-Carla

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Table footnotes

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<DOH!>

Thank you!  I should have known that...

Problem solved.

Carla



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To: Martinek, Carla
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Table footnotes

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Martinek, Carla 
wrote:
> Is there a way to increase the spacing between the bottom line of the 
> table, and the text in a table footnote? My text appears to be right 
> up against the bottom of the table, and nothing I've tried can get it 
> to move.

The table footnote separator frame on the reference page controls the
spacing below the table, and the position of the separator line within
the frame.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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RE: Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

[Martinek, Carla]

You need to come up with a matrix of YOUR specific documentation
requirements, and work from that, as every comparison I'm aware of is
woefully out of date. You may want to start here for a list to work
from: 

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html

Because everyone else in the company uses Word is not a good reason to
switch, but if you have to share files/content with other writers, that
would be a valid reason. (If your content is in XML, Word claims to
handle XML just fine, so that negates the need to switch.)

Just like engineers and programmers, you need the correct tools to do
the job efficiently. Programmers can write code using MS Word, and
engineers can create graphics in MS Word's graphic window, but there are
better ways to do it, and they are provided the proper tools. Emphasize
that you are also a professional with specific requirements to complete
your job.

One thing that seems to have remained consistent with Word is its
...quirky... numbering capabilities. Every Word document I've ever had
to work in eventually has numbering issues (and I've worked in it since
back in the DOS days...) This is a REAL problem in technical
documentation, where you often have complex numbering schemes, such as
substeps, numbering for tables and figures, etc. I can make it work in
Word, but I can guarantee it will take more time as you are continually
fixing things that shouldn't have had issues to start with. I estimate
that Word docs take 25-30% longer just because of the inherent issues.
Maybe the new version is better, but the version we have here at work is
just as annoying as ever.

I remember an anecdotal comment on the list a while back about Microsoft
using FrameMaker to publish their printed Word User Guide...  not sure
if that's true, but if it is, that's rather telling in my mind that even
MS recognizes that Word is not suitable for long technical document
publishing.


-Carla


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Any up to date comparisons of Word and Frame

[Martinek, Carla]

You need to come up with a matrix of YOUR specific documentation
requirements, and work from that, as every comparison I'm aware of is
woefully out of date. You may want to start here for a list to work
from: 

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html

"Because everyone else in the company uses Word" is not a good reason to
switch, but if you have to share files/content with other writers, that
would be a valid reason. (If your content is in XML, Word claims to
handle XML just fine, so that negates the need to switch.)

Just like engineers and programmers, you need the correct tools to do
the job efficiently. Programmers can write code using MS Word, and
engineers can create graphics in MS Word's graphic window, but there are
better ways to do it, and they are provided the proper tools. Emphasize
that you are also a professional with specific requirements to complete
your job.

One thing that seems to have remained consistent with Word is its
...quirky... numbering capabilities. Every Word document I've ever had
to work in eventually has numbering issues (and I've worked in it since
back in the DOS days...) This is a REAL problem in technical
documentation, where you often have complex numbering schemes, such as
substeps, numbering for tables and figures, etc. I can make it work in
Word, but I can guarantee it will take more time as you are continually
"fixing" things that shouldn't have had issues to start with. I estimate
that Word docs take 25-30% longer just because of the inherent issues.
Maybe the new version is better, but the version we have here at work is
just as annoying as ever.

I remember an anecdotal comment on the list a while back about Microsoft
using FrameMaker to publish their printed Word User Guide...  not sure
if that's true, but if it is, that's rather telling in my mind that even
MS recognizes that Word is not suitable for long technical document
publishing.


-Carla

RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Martinek, Carla]

My alma mater, Michigan Technological University, offers an
undergraduate in Scientific and Technical Communication (which is what I
majored in many years ago...) and a Masters in Rhetoric and Technical
Communication.
See http://www.hu.mtu.edu/

Minnesota State University @ Mankato offers both a certificate,
undergraduate, and graduate program. What's unique is that they also
offer ONLINE programs in these areas.
See http://english.mnsu.edu/techcomm/  - scroll down to the bottom to
the heading Tech Comm online.

Regards,
Carla
 
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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Martinek, Carla]

Sigh... Please forgive the grammatical blunder. I forgot to delete
both when I went back and added the certificate to the list of options
that MSU offers.


 

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Carla
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

My alma mater, Michigan Technological University, offers an
undergraduate in Scientific and Technical Communication (which is what I
majored in many years ago...) and a Masters in Rhetoric and Technical
Communication.
See http://www.hu.mtu.edu/

Minnesota State University @ Mankato offers both a certificate,
undergraduate, and graduate program. What's unique is that they also
offer ONLINE programs in these areas.
See http://english.mnsu.edu/techcomm/  - scroll down to the bottom to
the heading Tech Comm online.

Regards,
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RE: Conditional text in index markers

[Martinek, Carla]

Not an option, as far as I know. Instead, I would create two separate
index markers and conditionalize them.

Use of a plugin such as MarkerWorker might help you in maintaining the
content of markers like this.

-Carla

 

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Subject: Conditional text in index markers

Hello Framers, 
 
In Framemaker 8.0p277, does anyone know if it is possible to apply
conditional text to a part of the text in an index marker?
I want some of the text only to display in my online help version, so I
have a condition PDF and one online-only.
 
thanks for your help!
 
regards,
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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Martinek, Carla]

The other option is that if you are an STC member, you have access to
their academic database.
http://www.stc.org/academic/index.aspx

You can search by type of degree, state/location, and online offerings.

39 institutions listed on the STC database offer online degrees or
certificates.

-Carla
 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:11 PM
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Cc: barry.m...@asu.edu
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

Kelly's post was a real motivator.  Terrific information.  I hope
somebody is tabulating it!
 
How about professional writing programs?  That might be useful
information as well. 
 
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Technical Writing Certificate

[Martinek, Carla]

My alma mater, Michigan Technological University, offers an
undergraduate in Scientific and Technical Communication (which is what I
majored in many years ago...) and a Masters in Rhetoric and Technical
Communication.
See http://www.hu.mtu.edu/

Minnesota State University @ Mankato offers both a certificate,
undergraduate, and graduate program. What's unique is that they also
offer ONLINE programs in these areas.
See http://english.mnsu.edu/techcomm/  - scroll down to the bottom to
the heading Tech Comm online.

Regards,
Carla

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Technical Writing Certificate

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Sigh... Please forgive the grammatical blunder. I forgot to delete
"both" when I went back and added the certificate to the list of options
that MSU offers.




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Carla
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

My alma mater, Michigan Technological University, offers an
undergraduate in Scientific and Technical Communication (which is what I
majored in many years ago...) and a Masters in Rhetoric and Technical
Communication.
See http://www.hu.mtu.edu/

Minnesota State University @ Mankato offers both a certificate,
undergraduate, and graduate program. What's unique is that they also
offer ONLINE programs in these areas.
See http://english.mnsu.edu/techcomm/  - scroll down to the bottom to
the heading Tech Comm online.

Regards,
Carla

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Conditional text in index markers

[Martinek, Carla]

Not an option, as far as I know. Instead, I would create two separate
index markers and conditionalize them.

Use of a plugin such as MarkerWorker might help you in maintaining the
content of markers like this.

-Carla



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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:25 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Conditional text in index markers

Hello Framers, 

In Framemaker 8.0p277, does anyone know if it is possible to apply
conditional text to a part of the text in an index marker?
I want some of the text only to display in my online help version, so I
have a condition "PDF" and one "online-only".

thanks for your help!

regards,
Tom

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Technical Writing Certificate

[Martinek, Carla]

The other option is that if you are an STC member, you have access to
their academic database.
http://www.stc.org/academic/index.aspx

You can search by type of degree, state/location, and online offerings.

39 institutions listed on the STC database offer online degrees or
certificates.

-Carla


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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:11 PM
To: k.zorn at zorntech.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Barry.Maid at asu.edu
Subject: RE: Technical Writing Certificate

Kelly's post was a real motivator.  Terrific information.  I hope
somebody is tabulating it!

How about professional writing programs?  That might be useful
information as well. 

Reid

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RE: Globally changing the path to referenced files

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Menahem -

This may or may not help you in the future, but when I send files to the
translators, I use the Archive plugin to create a stand-alone copy of
the source files. I don't need to maintain the original directory
structure since I consider the translated guides to be a snapshot of a
particular development point, and will not be working in or editing the
translated guides once I get them back.

The Archive plugin is avialable from Bruce Foster at
http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm

I've included the description below.

Regards,
Carla

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Zebra Technologies Corporation


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Archive Plugin Description

Archive is a shareware plugin for FrameMaker that copies a book to an
archive directory and gathers all documents, referenced graphics, and
text insets for that book into the archive directory. All references in
the archived book are relative and point to documents, graphics, and
text insets under the archive directory. Archive does not change
references to documents that are not part of the book, and these
references can be absolute.

Once a book has been archived, you can zip the archive directory to
create a compressed archive of your book. You can also use this Archive
plugin to create a self-contained book, making it easy to move the book
and all necessary files to a new location without breaking references.

Archive will also archive a single document and its referenced objects.

If your documents reference two or more graphic files that have the same
filename but reside in different source directories, Archive will rename
the files when placing them into the archve. Each file with a duplicate
name added to the archive will be renamed from filename.xxx to
filenameNNN.xxx. Documents with identical filenames but different
pathnames and text insets with identical filenames but different
pathnames are treated similarly.
 
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Globally changing the path to referenced files

[Martinek, Carla]

Menahem -

This may or may not help you in the future, but when I send files to the
translators, I use the Archive plugin to create a stand-alone copy of
the source files. I don't need to maintain the original directory
structure since I consider the translated guides to be a "snapshot" of a
particular development point, and will not be working in or editing the
translated guides once I get them back.

The Archive plugin is avialable from Bruce Foster at
http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm

I've included the description below.

Regards,
Carla

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Zebra Technologies Corporation


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Archive Plugin Description

Archive is a shareware plugin for FrameMaker that copies a book to an
archive directory and gathers all documents, referenced graphics, and
text insets for that book into the archive directory. All references in
the archived book are relative and point to documents, graphics, and
text insets under the archive directory. Archive does not change
references to documents that are not part of the book, and these
references can be absolute.

Once a book has been archived, you can zip the archive directory to
create a compressed archive of your book. You can also use this Archive
plugin to create a self-contained book, making it easy to move the book
and all necessary files to a new location without breaking references.

Archive will also archive a single document and its referenced objects.

If your documents reference two or more graphic files that have the same
filename but reside in different source directories, Archive will rename
the files when placing them into the archve. Each file with a duplicate
name added to the archive will be renamed from filename.xxx to
filenameNNN.xxx. Documents with identical filenames but different
pathnames and text insets with identical filenames but different
pathnames are treated similarly.

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RE: re-use 101

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-Original Message-

I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 100
pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some sections
differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in more
substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each chapter
being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of anything at
the moment.

This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to
something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that
change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or
single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the best
strategy be:

(a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;

(b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based
on individual XML files;

(c) Something else?
I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head hurts.
I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with the
pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution that
allows for some common source material using my existing Frame
configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
Joel


Joel -

I'll give you *our* solution, but you need to determine what works for
you.

We have several product lines. Each product line has its own user guide,
maintenance manual, and quick reference guide. Because the products are
similar, they share much of the content.  On top of the standard product
line, we have several custom variations of products for OEMs and
high-profile customers.

We broke our manuals apart into topical files (much like you'd do with
XML). In most cases, a topical file break came at the Heading1 level.
Within each topical file, if the content is similar enough, we use
conditional text to handle any small differences between procedures. If
a particular procedure is completely different between printers, then we
create a topical file just for that printer, and name the file
accordingly. (Example: topic1_printer1 and topic1_printer2.)

Use your book file to bring the topical files together. Our book
structure would look like this:

   Cover_page.fm
   Book_toc.fm

   Intro_front_page.fm 
   Intro_topic1.fm
   Intro_topic2.fm

   Chapter1_front_page.fm (contains chapter heading and intro paragraph,
and a mini-toc indicating what's in the chapter.)
   topic_1.fm
   topic_2.fm
   topic_3.fm
   topic_4_printer1.fm
   topic_5.fm

   Chapter2_front_page.fm
   topic_6.fm
   topic_7.fm

   IX.fm
   Back_cover.fm


This structure allows you to reuse content at the topical level across
multiple books. We have hundreds of topical files, and our conditional
text matrix has 80+ conditional text formats. When it comes to
conditional text, be logical and create your format structure before you
start applying it. In our case, we use a naming convention like this:

UG_printer1
UG_printer2
UG_printer3
(UG indicates the tagged content is for use in the User Guide of the
specific printer)

MM_printer1
MM_printer2
MM_printer3
(MM indicates the tagged content is for use in the Maintenance Manual of
the specific printer.)

We assign a color to a specific product line, and a format to a type of
manual.

Printer 1 is always purple. Printer 2 is always red, and so forth.
User Guide styles are underlined. Maintenance Manual styles are
overlined. 

So... purple text with under- and over-lines is for Printer1 and both
the UG and the MM. Red text with underline is for Printer2 user guide
only. If you apply multiple printer conditions, you'll get the standard
magenta override conditional text format, but FM8 and higher allow you
to define custom tag formats for multiple conditional text expressions.
(We aren't doing that yet, but I know its there.)

For our running headers which reflect the Chapter title, we use markers.
The variable for running header/footer 1 references to marker1. You can
insert and conditionalize multiple markers in a single file, so a
topical file could be used in chapter1 of the UG, but chapter 4 of the
Maintenance Manual.

There's a lot of info here, but hopefully you can pull out the basics
and apply it to your situation if you determine that's the way you want
to go.

Our plan is to eventually move to DITA XML. The topical structure we're
using is a good basis for that.


-Carla

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re-use 101

[Martinek, Carla]

-Original Message-

I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 100
pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some sections
differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in more
substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each chapter
being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of anything at
the moment.

This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to
something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that
change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or
single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the best
strategy be:

(a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;

(b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based
on individual XML files;

(c) Something else?
I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head hurts.
I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with the
pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution that
allows for some common source material using my existing Frame
configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
Joel


Joel -

I'll give you *our* solution, but you need to determine what works for
you.

We have several product lines. Each product line has its own user guide,
maintenance manual, and quick reference guide. Because the products are
similar, they share much of the content.  On top of the standard product
line, we have several custom variations of products for OEMs and
high-profile customers.

We broke our manuals apart into topical files (much like you'd do with
XML). In most cases, a topical file break came at the Heading1 level.
Within each topical file, if the content is similar enough, we use
conditional text to handle any small differences between procedures. If
a particular procedure is completely different between printers, then we
create a topical file just for that printer, and name the file
accordingly. (Example: topic1_printer1 and topic1_printer2.)

Use your book file to bring the topical files together. Our book
structure would look like this:

   Cover_page.fm
   Book_toc.fm

   Intro_front_page.fm 
   Intro_topic1.fm
   Intro_topic2.fm

   Chapter1_front_page.fm (contains chapter heading and intro paragraph,
and a mini-toc indicating what's in the chapter.)
   topic_1.fm
   topic_2.fm
   topic_3.fm
   topic_4_printer1.fm
   topic_5.fm

   Chapter2_front_page.fm
   topic_6.fm
   topic_7.fm

   IX.fm
   Back_cover.fm


This structure allows you to reuse content at the topical level across
multiple books. We have hundreds of topical files, and our conditional
text matrix has 80+ conditional text formats. When it comes to
conditional text, be logical and create your format structure before you
start applying it. In our case, we use a naming convention like this:

UG_printer1
UG_printer2
UG_printer3
(UG indicates the tagged content is for use in the User Guide of the
specific printer)

MM_printer1
MM_printer2
MM_printer3
(MM indicates the tagged content is for use in the Maintenance Manual of
the specific printer.)

We assign a color to a specific product line, and a format to a type of
manual.

Printer 1 is always purple. Printer 2 is always red, and so forth.
User Guide styles are underlined. Maintenance Manual styles are
overlined. 

So... purple text with under- and over-lines is for Printer1 and both
the UG and the MM. Red text with underline is for Printer2 user guide
only. If you apply multiple printer conditions, you'll get the standard
magenta override conditional text format, but FM8 and higher allow you
to define custom tag formats for multiple conditional text expressions.
(We aren't doing that yet, but I know its there.)

For our running headers which reflect the Chapter title, we use markers.
The variable for running header/footer 1 references to marker1. You can
insert and conditionalize multiple markers in a single file, so a
topical file could be used in chapter1 of the UG, but chapter 4 of the
Maintenance Manual.

There's a lot of info here, but hopefully you can pull out the basics
and apply it to your situation if you determine that's the way you want
to go.

Our plan is to eventually move to DITA XML. The topical structure we're
using is a good basis for that.


-Carla

***
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Zebra Technologies Corporation
333 Corporate Woods Parkway, Vernon Hills, IL 60061

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Highlighting specific components in a graphic in a PDF

[Martinek, Carla]

Situation: 
- Maintenance Manual for a printer.
- Framemaker 8 source files on WinXP.
- 2-D exploded diagram graphics pulled from the CAD system. Each diagram
has parts from multiple kits in it. Files created in CorelDraw and/or
Illustrator.
- Documents distributed via PDFs on a CD, although they are also
formatted for print.
- Currently using Acrobat 8 Pro.
 
The product manager wants the writer (not me) to draw boxes around the
various parts in the exploded diagram to highlight what's in specific
kits. (Never mind that the components of each kit are called out in
another section, with their own graphics..)
 
Instead of doing this and crowding up a graphic that already has bunches
of parts and lines, I'm thinking that there is a way to create a graphic
that when we mouse over a legend indicating different kit numbers, the
appropriate parts will highlight in the PDF.
 
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks,
Carla
cmartinek - zebra - com
 
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RE: Highlighting specific components in a graphic in a PDF

[Martinek, Carla]

Thank you!  This was exactly what I remembered seeing in the past.

Shlomo - I should have thought of TimeSavers to start with... :-)

-Carla
 
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Highlighting specific components in a graphic in a PDF

[Martinek, Carla]

Situation: 
- Maintenance Manual for a printer.
- Framemaker 8 source files on WinXP.
- 2-D exploded diagram graphics pulled from the CAD system. Each diagram
has parts from multiple kits in it. Files created in CorelDraw and/or
Illustrator.
- Documents distributed via PDFs on a CD, although they are also
formatted for print.
- Currently using Acrobat 8 Pro.

The product manager wants the writer (not me) to draw boxes around the
various parts in the exploded diagram to highlight what's in specific
kits. (Never mind that the components of each kit are called out in
another section, with their own graphics..)

Instead of doing this and crowding up a graphic that already has bunches
of parts and lines, I'm thinking that there is a way to create a graphic
that when we mouse over a legend indicating different kit numbers, the
appropriate parts will highlight in the PDF.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Carla
cmartinek - zebra - com

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RE: redirecting all cross-ref'ed fm fm files to the home folder

[Martinek, Carla]

Suzanne mentioned the Archive plug-in already, and I HIGHLY recommend
it. We use it to capture all the files for the current documentation
release and send them for translation, and we couldn't do without it,
since our files are also stored in multiple folder locations.

-Carla
***
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Zebra Technologies Corporation
333 Corporate Woods Parkway, Vernon Hills, IL 60061
cmartinek|zebra|com  




-Original Message-
From: Wei Jiang (PT_ORG)
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:56 PM
To: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: redirecting all cross-ref'ed fm fm files to the home folder

Hello Everyone,


I am now translating a book comprised of cross-referenced FM files which
were originally scattered in different locations of the client's hard
disk.
He had sent me the package in a flat zip file, ie, without the
original tree structure. My question is, is there a quick way to update
all the broken cross-ref links with all the files in one single
folder?

TIA! 

Wei Jiang
 
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redirecting all cross-ref'ed fm fm files to the "home" folder

[Martinek, Carla]

Suzanne mentioned the Archive plug-in already, and I HIGHLY recommend
it. We use it to capture all the files for the current documentation
release and send them for translation, and we couldn't do without it,
since our files are also stored in multiple folder locations.

-Carla
***
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Zebra Technologies Corporation
333 Corporate Woods Parkway, Vernon Hills, IL 60061
cmartinek|zebra|com  




-Original Message-
From: Wei Jiang (PT_ORG)
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:56 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: redirecting all cross-ref'ed fm fm files to the "home" folder

Hello Everyone,


I am now translating a book comprised of cross-referenced FM files which
were originally scattered in different locations of the client's hard
disk.
He had sent me the package in a "flat" zip file, ie, without the
original tree structure. My question is, is there a quick way to update
all the "broken" cross-ref links with all the files in one single
folder?

TIA! 

Wei Jiang

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RE: Copy selected master pages into template

[Martinek, Carla]

There's no way to do this directly from your source document. 

Create an import_from file using a new blank document. Import the master
pages from your current file into that document. In the import_from doc,
delete all the master pages until you have only the two master pages you
want to import into all the other files. Use this new file as your
source to import into all of the other docs.

-Carla


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison

Hi, all. I've just created two master pages in one document, and I would
like to import **only** those two master pages into several other
templates.

Is there a way to do this?

Thanks.

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Copy selected master pages into template

[Martinek, Carla]

There's no way to do this directly from your source document. 

Create an import_from file using a new blank document. Import the master
pages from your current file into that document. In the import_from doc,
delete all the master pages until you have only the two master pages you
want to import into all the other files. Use this new file as your
source to import into all of the other docs.

-Carla


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Hi, all. I've just created two master pages in one document, and I would
like to import **only** those two master pages into several other
templates.

Is there a way to do this?

Thanks.

Nancy

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FrameMaker 9 Install Trouble

[Martinek, Carla]

Has anyone else been able to install the new release for FM9?

I downloaded the trial version yesterday, apparently successfully, and
unzipped it this morning. There is no installation or setup.exe file to
be found. Wonder if anyone else had the same problem?

-Carla


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FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

[Martinek, Carla]

One issue that came up during beta testing was the paragraph sort order.
Some of you may have noticed that it changed in one of the FM8 patches.
Many of us created templates that had style names in a particular order
so that we could make easy use of keyboard shortcuts.

Prior to FM8p277, these two styles would sort in this order:

   1_Heading1
   1k_HeadingKit

In FM8p277 and on, they sorted in this order (the underscore came at the
*end* of the sort list, instead of at the beginning):

   1k_HeadingKit
   1_Heading1

In FM9, the catalog sort order can be controlled in two ways through a
flag in maker.ini. The default behavior continues to what was introduced
with 8.0 p277 onwards but the old behavior can be achieved by toggling
this flag.

This can be done by switching  the setting using
SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On in the maker.ini file.

===

You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
previous versions. If you press F8 or F9, and then a letter or number,
you will go to the first style that starts with that character. In the
following example, pressing b would take you to the b1_body style.
However, previously I could press b3 to select the b3_bullet1 style.
Now you either have to press  b three times, or press b and then the
down arrow twice to get to the b3 style.

b1_body1
b2_body2
b3_bullet1
b4_bullet2
c1_cellbody1

You may or may not find this inconvenient. In our case, this reduced
functionality has basically rendered the keyboard shortcuts useless for
many styles. To get to the c7 style, I'd have to press c seven times, or
c once and the down arrow six times. I might as well use the mouse at
that point. (If you find this intolerable, please let Adobe know. Now
that the release is out, perhaps they can go back and address this
problem and fix it in a patch release.)

OTHERWISE, I find most of the improvements to be quite nice, and most
Framers will be quite comfortable with the new features in a short time.

-Carla
 
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RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8

[Martinek, Carla]

OKM 9 U 5 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:50 AM
To: orand...@comcast.net
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com; ashley_mered...@brown.edu
Subject: Re: Bugs, or features, in FM8

Oran,

You wrote: (to Austin Meredith, cc'd the list)

I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any 
sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and 
external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, elements,

paragraphs, etc. all of which are hot All of the links seem to work 
as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As PDF abd when 
I use the print  distill method. Since we are about to upgrade a very 
large project involving thousands of unique manuals and hundreds of 
thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your workflow/setup

is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. ...

The cross-file linking issue is described at
http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM8UnicodeCrossFileLinks
(together with sample PDFs produced from the same source FM file, using
FM7.2 and FM8.0, and FM8.0+TimeSavers 5.3)

The problem will not be noticed when the PDFs are :
-- accessed locally using Acrobat 8.x, but will be noticed when
cross-file links are activated through a web browser (cross-file links
in a PDF stored in an intranet/internet site) linking
-- viewed in earlier Acrobat versions or some non-Adobe PDFs viewers

Notice that in some cases, internal links are transformed to cross-file
links, which reference the same file as a target. In such a case, links
within the same file won't work when the PDF is viewed through a web
browser.


As to your file lock/unlock issue...

I don't see a problem here, and experience the same behavior in FM7.2
and FM8.0.
In any case, the locking (view only) state has no implications on PDFs
and links.
Links should be tested in PDF, as links that work in FrameMaker may not
work in Acrobat (and sometimes links that don't work in FrameMaker do
work in Acrobat).


Happy New Year!


Shlomo Perets

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RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8

[Martinek, Carla]

I was cleaning my keyboard, and accidentally dropped something on it. It
opened a bunch of windows, and apparently sent this email. 

Please ignore.




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Subject: RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8

OKM 9 U 5
 
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RE: FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

[Martinek, Carla]

-Original Message-
 This is really really bad. So what you're saying is that 
 it only responds to the first letter you press and if you 
 press the second it then jumps to the style that starts 
 with that, if there is one?

Exactly.  If you type t2 and press enter, the first style starting
with a t will highlight, and then it switches to the first heading
style that starts with the number 2, and enter will select the 2
style.

 Sorry, but I have never had any faith in Adobe's desire to listen. 
 In general our requests for changes have gone unheard/ignored.

We tried to tell them this during beta. According to the developers, FM9
is built on a whole new platform, and they were unable to duplicate
exactly some of the features we've used for years. They finally listened
when we told them that the para sort order was a big issue, and they
provided the option to change it in the last beta build. Several of us
said that the default setting for SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric in the
maker.ini file should be ON, not OFF, but at least we CAN change it.

 I think that may well be a deal breaker for me - all the other good
stuff aside.

Please, file your comments with Adobe. Let them know that YOU find this
a deal-breaker, and why.

Now, all that said, a couple of the beta testers who write FrameScripts
said they could probably come up with a script to solve this issue. I'd
certainly pay for the script if they do.

-Carla
 
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FrameMaker 9 Install Trouble

[Martinek, Carla]

Has anyone else been able to install the new release for FM9?

I downloaded the trial version yesterday, apparently successfully, and
unzipped it this morning. There is no installation or setup.exe file to
be found. Wonder if anyone else had the same problem?

-Carla


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FrameMaker 9 Install Trouble

[Martinek, Carla]

Harrumph. I deleted the unzipped files, and unpacked the original file
again. NOW it automatically launched the setup.

-Carla




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Carla
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:14 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 9 Install Trouble

Has anyone else been able to install the new release for FM9?

I downloaded the trial version yesterday, apparently successfully, and
unzipped it this morning. There is no installation or setup.exe file to
be found. Wonder if anyone else had the same problem?

-Carla


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FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

[Martinek, Carla]

One issue that came up during beta testing was the paragraph sort order.
Some of you may have noticed that it changed in one of the FM8 patches.
Many of us created templates that had style names in a particular order
so that we could make easy use of keyboard shortcuts.

Prior to FM8p277, these two styles would sort in this order:

   1_Heading1
   1k_HeadingKit

In FM8p277 and on, they sorted in this order (the underscore came at the
*end* of the sort list, instead of at the beginning):

   1k_HeadingKit
   1_Heading1

In FM9, the catalog sort order can be controlled in two ways through a
flag in maker.ini. The default behavior continues to what was introduced
with 8.0 p277 onwards but the old behavior can be achieved by toggling
this flag.

This can be done by switching  the setting using
"SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric=On" in the maker.ini file.

===

You will notice that the F8 and F9 shortcuts DO NOT work the same as
previous versions. If you press F8 or F9, and then a letter or number,
you will go to the first style that starts with that character. In the
following example, pressing "b" would take you to the b1_body style.
However, previously I could press "b3" to select the b3_bullet1 style.
Now you either have to press  "b" three times, or press "b" and then the
down arrow twice to get to the b3 style.

b1_body1
b2_body2
b3_bullet1
b4_bullet2
c1_cellbody1

You may or may not find this inconvenient. In our case, this reduced
functionality has basically rendered the keyboard shortcuts useless for
many styles. To get to the c7 style, I'd have to press c seven times, or
c once and the down arrow six times. I might as well use the mouse at
that point. (If you find this intolerable, please let Adobe know. Now
that the release is out, perhaps they can go back and address this
problem and fix it in a patch release.)

OTHERWISE, I find most of the improvements to be quite nice, and most
Framers will be quite comfortable with the new features in a short time.

-Carla

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Bugs, or features, in FM8

[Martinek, Carla]

OKM 9 U 5 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:50 AM
To: orandeep at comcast.net
Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com; Ashley_Meredith at brown.edu
Subject: Re: Bugs, or features, in FM8

Oran,

You wrote: (to Austin Meredith, cc'd the list)

>I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any 
>sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and 
>external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, elements,

>paragraphs, etc. all of which are "hot" All of the links seem to work 
>as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As PDF abd when 
>I use the print & distill method. Since we are about to upgrade a very 
>large project involving thousands of unique manuals and hundreds of 
>thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your workflow/setup

>is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. ...

The cross-file linking issue is described at
http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM8UnicodeCrossFileLinks
(together with sample PDFs produced from the same source FM file, using
FM7.2 and FM8.0, and FM8.0+TimeSavers 5.3)

The problem will not be noticed when the PDFs are :
-- accessed locally using Acrobat 8.x, but will be noticed when
cross-file links are activated through a web browser (cross-file links
in a PDF stored in an intranet/internet site) linking
-- viewed in earlier Acrobat versions or some non-Adobe PDFs viewers

Notice that in some cases, internal links are transformed to cross-file
links, which reference the same file as a target. In such a case, links
within the same file won't work when the PDF is viewed through a web
browser.


>As to your file lock/unlock issue...

I don't see a problem here, and experience the same behavior in FM7.2
and FM8.0.
In any case, the "locking" (view only) state has no implications on PDFs
and links.
Links should be tested in PDF, as links that work in FrameMaker may not
work in Acrobat (and sometimes links that don't work in FrameMaker do
work in Acrobat).


Happy New Year!


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat
TimeSavers/Assistants

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Bugs, or features, in FM8

[Martinek, Carla]

I was cleaning my keyboard, and accidentally dropped something on it. It
opened a bunch of windows, and apparently sent this email. 

Please ignore.




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Carla
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:44 AM
To: Shlomo Perets; orandeep at comcast.net
Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com; Ashley_Meredith at brown.edu
Subject: RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8

OKM 9 U 5

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FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts

[Martinek, Carla]

-Original Message-
> This is really really bad. So what you're saying is that 
> it only responds to the first letter you press and if you 
> press the second it then jumps to the style that starts 
> with that, if there is one?

Exactly.  If you type "t2" and press enter, the first style starting
with a "t" will highlight, and then it switches to the first heading
style that starts with the number 2, and enter will select the "2"
style.

> Sorry, but I have never had any faith in Adobe's desire to listen. 
> In general our requests for changes have gone unheard/ignored.

We tried to tell them this during beta. According to the developers, FM9
is built on a whole new platform, and they were unable to duplicate
exactly some of the features we've used for years. They finally listened
when we told them that the para sort order was a big issue, and they
provided the option to change it in the last beta build. Several of us
said that the default setting for SymbolSortingBeforeAlphaNumeric in the
maker.ini file should be ON, not OFF, but at least we CAN change it.

> I think that may well be a deal breaker for me - all the other good
stuff aside.

Please, file your comments with Adobe. Let them know that YOU find this
a deal-breaker, and why.

Now, all that said, a couple of the beta testers who write FrameScripts
said they could probably come up with a script to solve this issue. I'd
certainly pay for the script if they do.

-Carla

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