Problem with run-in heads
I'm glad to be back after a long absence from Framers, and I am still on FM 7.0p579. I have a problem with run-in headings in a double-column format. All paras are set to 10pt fixed and there is no line feathering, but the run-in heads are misaligning the baselines across columns. A page full of text with no headings has perfect alignment; add a run-in heading and the right-hand column goes out of alignment from that point onwards. Setting columns to balance makes no difference. I need the run-ins because I want two paras on the same line, with automatic running heads picking up on one of them and not the other. Any clues, anyone? All the best Roger Jones
Problem with run-in heads
I'm glad to be back after a long absence from Framers, and I am still on FM 7.0p579. I have a problem with run-in headings in a double-column format. All paras are set to 10pt fixed and there is no line feathering, but the run-in heads are misaligning the baselines across columns. A page full of text with no headings has perfect alignment; add a run-in heading and the right-hand column goes out of alignment from that point onwards. Setting columns to balance makes no difference. I need the run-ins because I want two paras on the same line, with automatic running heads picking up on one of them and not the other. Any clues, anyone? All the best Roger Jones ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Orphans and Widows (which is which)
At 11:15 17/12/2005 -0500, Fred Ridder wrote, quoting from online sources:
. . .
The glossary at
http://www.designtalkboard.com/glossary/fonts/typography.php
says this:
- A widow occurs when the last line of a paragraph from the
previous page flows onto the top of the next page.
- An orphan occurs when the first line of a new paragraph starts
at bottom of a page.
+++ I take these to be the correct traditional definitions. However, the
OED does not restrict "widow" to top of page or column -- "A short line at
the end of a paragraph, esp. one which is set at the top of a page or
column, or which contains only (part of) one word, and is therefore
considered unsightly." -- as do Collins ("short line") and American
Heritage ("usually short line"), although Chambers ("short last line") and
the Concise Oxford ("short last line") do. The OED, Concise Oxford, Collins
and American Heritage have no entries for the typographical usage of
"orphan"; Chambers cross refers it to "club-line", "a short line at the end
of a paragraph".
But at
http://www.writedesignonline.com/resources/design/rules/type.html
you'll find the following:
- Don't leave orphans! (a word or short line at the top of a column
or page).
+++ They mean widows.
- Avoid widows! (a single word on a line by itself at the end of a
paragraph with no one to love).
+++ They mean club-lines.
- Never hyphenate a widow. For that matter, never hyphenate
an orphaned widow! (typographic counseling is recommended
for individuals with this problem)
+++ Can't disagree.
I guess that "orphan" has been dragged into confusing use because "widow"
leaves a conceptual space aching to be filled. After all, Nature abhors a
vacuum, as was confirmed by a Gary Larson cartoon character anxiously
pushing her hoover* through a dark and threatening forest.
I have to admit that one of my authors (a very competent and well read
author) thought I was nuts to worry about club-lines.
[* We Brits use this as a generic term for vacuum cleaner, an upright one
in the context above.]
All the best
Roger Jones, Terra Publishing, http://www.terrapublishing.net
PO Box 315, Harpenden, Herts AL5 2ZD, England
Tel.: +44 (0)1582 762413 Fax: +44 (0)870 055 8105
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OT: Orphans and Widows (which is which)
At 11:15 17/12/2005 -0500, Fred Ridder wrote, quoting from online sources:
>. . .
>The glossary at
>http://www.designtalkboard.com/glossary/fonts/typography.php
>says this:
>- A widow occurs when the last line of a paragraph from the
> previous page flows onto the top of the next page.
>- An orphan occurs when the first line of a new paragraph starts
> at bottom of a page.
+++ I take these to be the correct traditional definitions. However, the
OED does not restrict "widow" to top of page or column -- "A short line at
the end of a paragraph, esp. one which is set at the top of a page or
column, or which contains only (part of) one word, and is therefore
considered unsightly." -- as do Collins ("short line") and American
Heritage ("usually short line"), although Chambers ("short last line") and
the Concise Oxford ("short last line") do. The OED, Concise Oxford, Collins
and American Heritage have no entries for the typographical usage of
"orphan"; Chambers cross refers it to "club-line", "a short line at the end
of a paragraph".
>But at
>http://www.writedesignonline.com/resources/design/rules/type.html
>you'll find the following:
>- Don't leave orphans! (a word or short line at the top of a column
> or page).
+++ They mean widows.
>- Avoid widows! (a single word on a line by itself at the end of a
> paragraph with no one to love).
+++ They mean club-lines.
>- Never hyphenate a widow. For that matter, never hyphenate
> an orphaned widow! (typographic counseling is recommended
> for individuals with this problem)
+++ Can't disagree.
I guess that "orphan" has been dragged into confusing use because "widow"
leaves a conceptual space aching to be filled. After all, Nature abhors a
vacuum, as was confirmed by a Gary Larson cartoon character anxiously
pushing her hoover* through a dark and threatening forest.
I have to admit that one of my authors (a very competent and well read
author) thought I was nuts to worry about club-lines.
[* We Brits use this as a generic term for vacuum cleaner, an upright one
in the context above.]
All the best
Roger Jones, Terra Publishing, http://www.terrapublishing.net
PO Box 315, Harpenden, Herts AL5 2ZD, England
Tel.: +44 (0)1582 762413 Fax: +44 (0)870 055 8105
