RE: pure XML

[Syed.Hosain]

> I think you're confusing "pure" with valid and "impure" with
proprietary. A file can adhere to the XML standard without being valid
against any particular DTD or schema, and being invalid against any
content model doesn't mean it's not adhering to the XML standard.

Exactly right! Some of us seem to be forgetting what "X" in XML stands
for: "eXtensible".

The "XML Standard" does not enforce any particular set of tags for a
particular use - it was *exactly* this limitation/problem in HTML that
XML was designed/intended to avoid. As you mention, is is then the use
of the Schema (and the older DTD stuff) that defines the specifics for
any particular usage or application. This allows *any* XML editor to
read XML from FrameMaker (or other sources) without difficulty.

I have read FrameMaker XML into my other XML "editor" (I happen to use
XMLSpy from Altova for lots of other reasons - designing SOAP
interfaces, for example) without any issues whatsoever.

Z
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RE: Converting Rows to Headers

[Syed.Hosain]

> I am genuinely curious what tool you have found to be superior at
handling tables and why.

Same here ... I have not looked much, but, like you, I use FrameMaker 8
and Word 2007 (different purposes) and I definitely prefer FM to Word
for the table handling.

Is there some other product that works better for tables in documents?

Z
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RE: FM 9 books

[Syed.Hosain]

I like the Scriptorium book a lot too.

My only regret is that they decided not to publish the "Structured
FrameMaker" version of it ... I hope that this happens sometime. I would
gladly buy it!

Z


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:48 PM
To: Linda G. Gallagher; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 9 books


Linda:

Scriptorium has a FrameMaker 8 book that we bought when we were still
considering the move to FrameMaker. By the time a decision was made, FM
9 was out. However, the book is still very useful as the differences
between 8 and 9 are mostly in the onscreen structure (ie, the "pods").
As far as functionality goes, I have found Scriptorium's book to be an
excellent tool.

http://store.scriptorium.com/items/books/publishing-fundamentals-unstruc
tured-framemaker-8-all-detail.htm 

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Linda G.
Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:42 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 9 books

Framers,

Does anyone know of any FM 9 books, aside from the Classroom in a Book?
It's
the only thing I've found that is just FM 9. (I know about Icon Logic's
TCS
2 book, but that does not fit my need.)

Has anyone used the Classroom in a Book for FM 9? I just requested a
review
copy, but I'm not sure when I'll receive it. I'd like to know what
you've
thought of it for teaching FM 9.

Thanks!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates

RMIMA Membership Manager
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RE: OT: Is there software for burning cross-platform CDs from PC?

[Syed.Hosain]

I use ImgBurn for making CD's and DVD's ... and I believe it can make
ISO9660 and Joliet format, both of which should be readable on Mac
systems (AFAIK).

Best of all, the program is free! Check out http://www.imgburn.com/ for
more info.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T
Litchfield
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:29 PM
To: David Spreadbury
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Is there software for burning cross-platform CDs from
PC?

But that would mean installing Cygwin first and configuring that  
before being able to write a CD surely? Cracking a walnut with a  
sledgehammer?

See if you can use this on your Windows machine. It comes courtesy of  
the Way Back Machine.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010508115128/http://gamma.nic.fi/ 
~lpesonen/HFVExplorer/Hdexp131.zip

Alan

On 5/02/2010, at 10:17 AM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Scott,
> Yes there is a Windows tool that will give you HFS+, Joliet, and  
> Rockridge,
> besides the newer version of Roxio, and it is free.
>
> There is a cygwin port of the Unix makeiso utility. I have been  
> using it for
> several years to produce CDs that are destined for cross-platform use.
>
> David Spreadbury
> Sr. Technical Writer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> qui...@airmail.net
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:52 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Is there software for burning cross-platform CDs  
> from PC?
>
> You can always use ISO9660 format. Roxio has Roxio Creator 2010 which
> should do this.
>
> But on the whole, no, there are very few Windows programs that will
> format HFS+ format, if any. Windows programs are inherently limited  
> and
> narrow visioned as far as format is concerned.
>
> Of course the Mac you are using is probably around 10 years old.  
> Amazing
> how long it functioned isn't it? And if it is that old it probably
> relies on Appletalk. A more recent OS would integrate seamlessly into
> your ethernet.
>
> Scott
>

--
Alan T Litchfield
AlphaByte
PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice

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RE: Keyboard shortcut control for inserting a variable?

[Syed.Hosain]

I also endorse EZVars ... its ability to allow me search for and convert
existing text to a variable throughout a document makes it great! It is
my second most used FM add-on ... just after BookVars to manage all the
variables in the first place. :)

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:09 PM
To: Huntley Eshenroder; Spectrum Writing
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Free Framers
Subject: RE: Keyboard shortcut control for inserting a variable?

Huntley Eshenroder wrote: 
 
> You can also try EZVars, which provides a non-modal dialog box for
> inserting variales. It isn't free, but it is cheap and EZ.

Lief provided the shortcut (Ctrl+0), but I'll second Huntley's
recommendation of EZVars, which gives you a modeless dialog for picking
vars (like the pgf and char catalogs) and other nifty features like
converting existing instances of WeiRdCaPApp3 to a variable. Check it
out at electropubs.com. 
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RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

> OK, the fonts aren't the problem. And FM appears to be updating the
generated list files. 

With help from a respondee on this list, I found and fixed the missing
font problem. Sent out an e-mail about that! :)

> Just to confirm that the content is being regenerated, go to one of
the headings that appears in the TOC and temporarily change the wording
or add something at the end. Then update the book and verify that the
TOC entry picked up the change you made. 

Those are indeed failing at the moment ... 

> You mentioned both the contents and index -- are there update problems
with both?

Yes. Neither is being properly updated at this point. In my own books, I
have never had the content or the index file fail to get updated - this
is somewhat of a new experience (inspite of years of using FM!),
although I know others have seen it. I've been lucky! :)

> Those are very different files -- one is generated from markers, and
the other from a list of pgf tags to include.

Yup. :)

> What exactly are the problems with each?

1. The Contents .FM file is not updating when changes are made to the
header sections in the main document .FM file.
2. The Index .FM file is not updating from changes to any marker in the
main document .FM file.
3. In the PDF that I generate from what comes out now, the pointer
changes to the "finger" when hovering the mouse over the Section (in the
Content) or the page number (in the Index), but clicking does not work
at all - there is no reload to the actual page.
4. Sidebar: clicking on links to web sites *inside* the main document do
cause my browser to be brought up, web site found, etc.

So, the problem appears to be in the Contents and Index files ... not in
the main document. So, I am going to focus on those areas.

> The most likely cause of entries missing from a TOC is mismatch of a
pgf tag names. In the book window, right-click the TOC file and select
Set Up Table of Contents. In the dialog, verify that the Include
Paragraphs Tagged list contains everything it should and note the
spelling of the names. In the chapter file(s), go to a pgf that's
missing from the TOC and check the tag name. If it's "Heading 1" in your
TOC setup, a pgf tagged with "heading 1" or "Heading1" won't be included
in the TOC. I'm not sure about "Heading 1 " (with a trailing space).

> If there are missing index entries, check the Set Up Standard Index
dialog, too, and verify that the Include Markers of Type list contains
Index and any other marker type you've used for index entries. Then go
to your chapter files and examine the markers that should be generating
index entries, but aren't. Again, the marker type name must match
exactly what's specified in the setup.

Thanks! I will start this checking process sometime - tomorrow most
likely - and report back when I get a chance.

Z
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RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

[Syed.Hosain]

I am sure that Rick will answer soon enough, but I cannot resist noting
the fact that he is selling PDF versions of the older book on his web
site for $25. :)

I too await his new book on FrameScript though ...

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:15 PM
To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

Hi Rick,

Off topic for the Windows 7 thread, but it was the easiest way to send
you a
message.

Do you have any plans to republish your FrameScript crash course book?
Even
in PDF only?
If not, can you recommend any other books on FS?

Thanks lots and belated Happy New Year.

PS, I agree with you about FM support.  People who use FM in a
production
environment have a better understanding of FM than those who do not.
This
list has been a great resource to me for almost 18 years.

Diane


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]on Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:03 PM
To: 'Susan Modlin'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7


With all due respect, I would only depend on Adobe Technical Support as
a
last resort, particularly with FrameMaker. You are not going to get a
whole
lot of help with an older version anyway. This list is the place to get
FrameMaker help.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com
www.frameexpert.com

http://www.frameexpert.com/peace/


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:54 PM
To: Susan Modlin; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What version of FM is compatible with Windows 7

Supported means that Adobe Technical Support can assist you with any
questions or problems and that Adobe officially claims that it works.

Works under means that users have tried it and there appears to be no
incompatibilities. However, Adobe Tech Support will not assist you if
you
encounter any problems or want a question answered.

- Dov



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RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

Jim Owens wrote:
> syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
> > I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for "FFamily" and
> > only see the following unique entries for font familes:
> > 
> That search may not have been definitive. According to the MIF
Reference (MIF Document Statements > Character Formats > PgfFont and
Font statements > Font name),

> "a Framemaker product identifies the fonrt in one or more of the
following ways" referring to the statements FPlatformName, FFamily, and
FPostcriptName. Perhaps the missing name is referenced in another
statement.

Thank you! You are absolutely correct. I found the source of the problem
based on your e-mail.

One of the MIF font structures showed the "FFamily" as Arial, but within
the *same* MIF font element, it listed the "FPostcriptName" as
"ArialMT". In another file, the "FFamily" was "Arial, but the
"FPostcriptName" was garbled.

Changing both those to "Arial" allows me to read the files in without
errors and then do the update.

Of course, now I have the content and index file generation problem, but
I will tackle that tomorrow - got other stuff to do right now.

Thanks much again!

Z
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RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

> Syed, are you saying the book update fails even after you open all the
files, acknowledging the prompts about font substitution? 

Exactly! Yes, this is what has me stumped. I opened *all* the .FM files
(only four .FM files - two are the contents and index files that I want
to fix, only one has the missing font problem) that comprise the book,
ack'ing the substitution for two of them and still cannot do the update!

> If you have all the files open, and the book update still fails,
something very odd is going on, and it may have nothing to do with the
missing fonts. Are you getting any kind of error message (check the
Console) after you try to update? Are the time stamps of the generated
files changing when you do a book update, or do they remain unchanged? 

No other error on the FrameMaker console, unfortunately!

The files do change time-stamps, so the system is writing them ...

Z
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RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

> I assume you have investigated Reference and Master Pages through the
document? Also, fonts can hide in character and paragraph formats, in
spaces, non-breaking spaces, automated number formats, cross reference  
formats where styles have been defined, etc.

Agreed. In the past, this is where I have found such fonts, so that is
why I went into the MIF files to look for them ...

> If it were me I'd save as MIF and re-import and see if those fonts can
be eradicated. 

Tried that, but it did not work ... :(

Thanks!

Z
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RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Lynn.

1. This book that is puzzling me does not have any graphics in any of
the .FM files in it. No PDF, no JPG, no FM graphics, etc.

2. I tried to search for the missing font family (that was reported in
the console) in the MIF output (of each .FM file) without any success.

So far, I am still stumped, but have had to pause for other stuff right
now - will get back to this in the afternoon.

The *real* problem is that I need to regen and fix the Contents and
Index files since they are not being updated when the book is being
updated (that is an issue in itself) - and so far this font problem is
getting in the way of *that* activity. Sigh ...

Thanks for the response!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
l...@farmedia.com
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

I vaguely remember that fonts can also be stored in graphic files-in
certain
graphic file formats.  If you have graphic files in your book, that
might be
a clue..

 

I encountered the same problem years earlier before but can't recall how
I
resolved it. I only remember frustration at looking "everywhere" for the
reference to the font and not finding it.

Lynn
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RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

Hmmm ... now the console is telling me:

The "Arial" Font is not available.
  "Arial" will be used in this session.
The "Arial" Font is not available.
  "Arial" will be used in this session.
The "Arial" Font is not available.
  "Arial" will be used in this session.
The "Arial" Font is not available.
  "Arial" will be used in this session.

Huhn?!? I know I have Arial, of course ... and if this font were not
available to begin with, how could FM 8 say "will be used in this
session"?

So the above is quite confusing to me now.

A MIF wash did not solve anything, turning off the 'missing font ...' in
the Preferences is not allowing me to come back and re-edit the file
without the error.

What am I doing wrong?

Z

-Original Message-
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:34 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Framers
Subject: RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

I forgot to mention that I already have the fonts in the families listed
below - all of them are on my computer!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:32 PM
To: Framers
Subject: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

Hi, all.

I am getting stumped with something I thought would be simple (has been
so in the past).

A contact sent me a book (in FM 7 format) that I am attempting to read
into FM 8 ... to fix a page numbering and contents/index problem.

Whenever I open two of the files in the book, I get an "Unavailable
font" message on the console (saying that ArialMT is not available and
Arial will be used in its place - this is after I tell it to read in the
file and substitue).

So, I do so, and then save the file ... but it happens again on the very
next file open! Of course, I am unable to regen the contents and index
pages since "a font is unavailable".

I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for "FFamily" and
only see the following unique entries for font familes:












The MIF file does not even have the ArialMT entry to fix permanently!

What am I overlooking and how do I solve this issue?

Thanks,

Z
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RE: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

I forgot to mention that I already have the fonts in the families listed
below - all of them are on my computer!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 8:32 PM
To: Framers
Subject: How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

Hi, all.

I am getting stumped with something I thought would be simple (has been
so in the past).

A contact sent me a book (in FM 7 format) that I am attempting to read
into FM 8 ... to fix a page numbering and contents/index problem.

Whenever I open two of the files in the book, I get an "Unavailable
font" message on the console (saying that ArialMT is not available and
Arial will be used in its place - this is after I tell it to read in the
file and substitue).

So, I do so, and then save the file ... but it happens again on the very
next file open! Of course, I am unable to regen the contents and index
pages since "a font is unavailable".

I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for "FFamily" and
only see the following unique entries for font familes:












The MIF file does not even have the ArialMT entry to fix permanently!

What am I overlooking and how do I solve this issue?

Thanks,

Z
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How to find "Unavailable Fonts"

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, all.

I am getting stumped with something I thought would be simple (has been
so in the past).

A contact sent me a book (in FM 7 format) that I am attempting to read
into FM 8 ... to fix a page numbering and contents/index problem.

Whenever I open two of the files in the book, I get an "Unavailable
font" message on the console (saying that ArialMT is not available and
Arial will be used in its place - this is after I tell it to read in the
file and substitue).

So, I do so, and then save the file ... but it happens again on the very
next file open! Of course, I am unable to regen the contents and index
pages since "a font is unavailable".

I saved those two files in MIF format and searched for "FFamily" and
only see the following unique entries for font familes:












The MIF file does not even have the ArialMT entry to fix permanently!

What am I overlooking and how do I solve this issue?

Thanks,

Z
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FM indicates the file has been changed when opened ... (was from the thread on how to prevent empty pages in a book)

[Syed.Hosain]

> Text insets and cross-references that are updated automatically (upon opening 
> the file), even if no changes result, will also cause Frame to think the file 
> is modified. Took me a while to figure that out, as it is very confusing to 
> simply open a file and have FM indicate that it's been modified.

Indeed, yes! I have noticed this too and eventually figured it out the same as 
you did.

My instinctive reaction tends to be one of "Oops, did I enter a letter or 
keystroke somewhere into the file and now need to go fix?", since I also 
usually type Control-D, Control-M, Control-T, etc., to open up the various 
designer and other windows. With mouse clicks in between each, since the 
designer windows retain the focus when they are opened . I am never sure 
whether my keyboard and keystrokes might not have done the Right Thing™ to the 
file itself. :)

So, When checking older documents for content and text (where changes must NOT 
be made!), I am very careful now to:
(a) *not* save files that I opened for "looking" at, and
(b) when I open documents that I *am* working on, I immediately do a 
save so that I am sure of its state, or
(c) type a few control-Z's to make sure of the state of the document.

Z
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RE: Re: Cannot import a .jpg

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Nancy.

Re-saving a JPEG original as another JPEG can be "further" lossy
(compounding the initial drop in quality) ... you might want to make
sure that the image quality has not degraded too far. Assuming you did
not go back to the original image source material, of course!

You can introduce bits of fluff pixels in places that did not have them
before - particularly in sharp edges or steep color transition points.

Or you can save in another graphics format - like PNG - that is not
lossy.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:38 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re: Cannot import a .jpg

Woohoo! Thanks, all -- I downloaded an evaluation copy of SnagIt, opened
and saved the file in the same format, and this time FrameMaker imported
it with no problem. I suppose any graphics tool might do; SnagIt just
happened to be easy.
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RE: global header change?

[Syed.Hosain]

Too late to help now, but it is for this *exact* reason that I use a variable 
for the "product name" and other similar "likely-to-change' information inside 
the document.

Then, using the BookVars tool from Leximation, life is greatly automated to 
make these kinds of changes! :)

As a temporary fix (I don't like this, by the way - since it is better to 
change the "golden master"), you could edit the PDF and change it in there 
directly ... headers would be relatively straightforward, but text inside the 
body might be tricky - particularly if you use justification, for example.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:10 AM
To: FrameMaker Users List
Subject: global header change?

Argg!

They changed the product name! And AFTER the book was done, pdf'd and sent 
overseas for printing!

I put a hold on it, but now have to go back and change the headers to indicate 
the new model name.

Other than opening each book file and changing the header text one file at a 
time, is there a global method?

*

Windows Vista

FM 8.0 on an HP Pavilion
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RE: Frame 9 trial

[Syed.Hosain]

Perhaps it is on your Windows desktop? That is another [common] download
file location ...

Z

> Hi Framers,
> I am trying to install a trial of Framemaker to see if it suitable for
a big directory publishing job which my client is trying to do (without
much success) in InDesign. I downloaded a huge file (took all afternoon)
and then when I tried to run it got a message that I had to install 7zip
(which I thought I already had). Anyway I downloaded and (re)installed
7zip. But now I can't find the file to install. I know I downloaded it
into my Downloads folder but I don't see anything likely in there. I
went back to the Adobe site to do it again and when I started the
download it said that all the files were already there (in the Downloads
folder).

> Can anybody offer any clues as to what the file is called?
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RE: FM crashing upon attempt to create PDF - 3Qs

[Syed.Hosain]

Agreed with the comments so far.

*Most* laptops that are more than a year or two old cannot even have
more than 4GB physically installed - the hardware does not allow it, and
a 32-bit OS reduces this to somewhere between 2.8GB and 3.7GB -
depending on the graphics card in there, the add-on hardware elements,
etc.

Even today, when you buy a "new" laptop, to get more than 4GB (most are
8GB max, but there is a 16GB Mobile Workstation laptop at Dell -
expensive), you have to make sure to pick the correct model! Else you
get limited to 4GB installed.

Then, as already mentioned, to take advantage of that extra memory, you
have to run a 64-bit OS. Which is generally okay nowadays, but you need
to make sure that what you use is also compatible, or you have to spend
time figuring things out and configuring applications accordingly
(Windows 7 does make this easier). Old 32-bit drivers are, however, a
problem. If a peripheral or app uses 32-bit drivers, you cannot use it
on a 64-bit OS.

Note that FrameMaker runs fine on a 64-bit OS.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Orly
Zimmerman
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:20 AM
To: Art Campbell; Fred Ridder
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM crashing upon attempt to create PDF - 3Qs

Thank you all for this info!! It's very helpful.
I will return to the IT people and clarify this. They gave me the
impression that no laptop could handle more than 3GB.
I'm really much more efficient with a laptop as I'm also my kids
"chauffeur" so, I'm always on the move and would like/need to have the
most souped up gadget I can, while still in the company's budget.

Orly.


From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:13 PM
To: Fred Ridder
Cc: jim.pink...@voith.com; Orly Zimmerman; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM crashing upon attempt to create PDF - 3Qs

Fred's correct, but I did notice that things changed slightly with W7.
W7 32 seems to be able to address about 3.6 or so of RAM -- I'd have to
check to get an exact figure, but it was a nicely larger chunk on my 4G
system.

Art

Art Campbell
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and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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apply.
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Fred Ridder
mailto:docu...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Jim Pinkham wrote:

> Orly, on the notebook point, please clarify. Did IT tell you the one
> that you have cannot be upgraded beyond 2 GB? That may well be
accurate.
> However, there are notebooks currently in stores that have 6 GB of
RAM.

But it should also be noted that only 3GB of memory can be accessed
directly if you are running a 32-bit version of Windows. It is pointless
to have more than 3GB of RAM (even if your system can physically and
electrically accommodate it) unless you are running a 64-bit Windows
version. But going from 2GB to 3GB can make a significant difference in
performance.

-FR

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RE: Maximum number of variables in FM?

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Diane.

I have over 700 variables in one of my documents ... no problem at all!
In case anyone wonders why I have so many: has to do with a set of
numeric values in one of my specs that are refered to in multiple places
- fwiw, it is better to be consistent everywhere, than wrong in even one
place! So, variables is the answer. :)

Anyway, the allowed number is therefore higher than that, I suspect.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:15 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Maximum number of variables in FM?

Hi Matt, Rick, and Everyone,

What the maximum number of user variables that can be created in FM 8?
The FM help says that the maximum number of characters in a variable
definition is 255, but does not specify the maximum number of variables.


Thanks,
Diane
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RE: PDF to FM9

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Kelly

I use a commercial "PDF-to-Word" tool and bring it into RTF, because the
Adobe PDF Professional "output as a RTF" is pretty darn useless, IMHO.

Yes, there is still some residual overhead in getting the FrameMaker doc
right, but much better than any other approach that I have found.

For a typical 100+ page document, the process takes me on the order of a
day or two to bring into FrameMaker. Then, life is fine for making
changes to the document - the usual reason for doing this process! :)

BTW, there are a nunmber of such PDF-to-Word tools available ... my
early experience some years ago was with one of the early ones: Nuance
(formerly scansoft) PDF Convertor Pro (www.nuance.com) so I have stuck
with it. YMMV, of course.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 12:06 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF to FM9

MarCom revived some old software...from the last millennium...really.

The only docs I have are in PDF and I need to get the content into
FrameMaker. I'd like to go to FM( with the original formatting and name
so I can do a Replace to bring the tags up to current spec. I can save
the PDF as an RTF and import the RTF into FM, but I've done that before
and it's a PITA. Word RTF adds all manner of wonkiness to the doc.

I'm looking for suggestions on how to get the PDF content into
FrameMaker 9. (FYI, I already tried squeezing...no joy.)...regards,

Kelly.

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RE: Frame on Vista and Win7

[Syed.Hosain]

The usual Windows 7 User Account Control (UAC) "feature" asking for
permission to do something. It is less obtrusive in Windows 7 compared
to Vista, but ... still a pain sometimes.

If you are sure that Adobe is not messing with your computer when
installing FrameMaker, then the answer to this question should be "Yes".
:) :) :)

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ajay
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Subject: RE: Frame on Vista and Win7


Hello,
 
I get this message pertaining to Framemaker installation on Windows 7
operating system.
 
" Do you want to allow the following program from an unknown publisher
to make changes to this computer."
 
-Ajay
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RE: Find Apply

[Syed.Hosain]

Richard, you are absolutely correct!

I just tested EZVars as well, and the method works perfectly.

Using EZVars, combined with Sharon's "add the character tag" to a
variable recommendation:

(a) creates the new variable with the required minimum set of
font changes like italic and spread and
(b) properly searches for and substitutes the variable for the
text.

FWIW, my most heavily used plug-in is Leximation's BookVars (by a wide
margin) ... and EZTools's EZVars is next. :)

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs,
Richard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:56 PM
To: Avraham Makeler
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Find  Apply 

Avraham Makeler wrote:
 
> Thanks Sharon,Ok, I have done it and it works ...
> 
> ... almost completely.

Sharon was absolutely correct about creating a variable. But there's a
"gotcha" with the Find/Replace strategy for replacing the company name
text with the variable: When you copy the variable (her step 5), you're
copying _that specific instance_ of the variable, including the
formatting of that instance (i.e., the formatting it inherits from the
pgf it's in). 

So if you copy an instance in body text, it works when you paste it into
body text, but when you paste it into a heading, it's the wrong size,
font, weight ... whatever. 

That's why I recommended EZVars from electropubs.com. It lets you
replace the company name text with a _new instance_ of the variable,
just as if you'd selected the text, selected Special > Variable, and
replaced the text with a variable. Give it a trial -- I think you'll
agree it's well worth the modest cost.

If for some reason you can't try EZVars, follow Sharon's instructions,
but in multiple stages. First, create and copy an instance of the
variable in body text and use it to replace all body text occurrences of
the company name. Then create and copy an instance of the variable in
your Heading 1 pgf and use it to replace Heading 1 occurrences of the
company name. Repeat for other pgf formats as necessary. 

Or, since there are probably far fewer replacements needed in headings,
etc., just use Find to select those and then use Special > Variable to
replace the text manually. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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RE: Find Apply

[Syed.Hosain]

> Just one small problem though... I used the Emphasis character style.
I tried to apply "As is" to all the formatting of Emphasis, and then to
set it to italics, but it didn't "stick". So when I then applied the
Emphasis style to a title, for example, it changed the font of the word
Acme to whatever size and color Emphasis is, which in my case, is
italicized body text.

Hmmm, I use this feature *all* the time. My emphasis character tag only
applies italics to the selected characters ... and never messes with the
size or font or color!

I use it in titles, footnotes, body text, etc., (with different fonts
and sizes) without any difficulty.

My swag: are you not using the "Update All" button in the Character
Designer window when changing the definition for "emphasis" (after doing
the "Set Window to As Is" from the Command pull-down menu in that
Character Designer window)?

Z

Sidebar: my only minor pet peeve is that I want my "emphasis" to be
selective: when the underlying *default* font is Regular, I want the
emphasis to be italic ... and vice-versa!

No such luck - I asked about this on this forum before and no-one had an
answer! :(

So, I use two character tags - one for paragraphs with Regular default
fonts (to make the emphasized text be italic) and one with paragraphs
with italic default fonts (to make the emphasized text be regular).
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RE: Find Apply

[Syed.Hosain]

>> As for applying italics without a character format, I think most
would agree that this is a Bad Thing.

>I agree that this is not professional, but if I do it this way then at
least I don't get the problem I get when I use a character style
(Emphasis) above.

Not a question of professional use - more an issue of creating a time
bomb that will hit you again ... later! If you ever change the paragraph
definition later, all your manually applied italics might get "fixed"
too!

Far, far better to use character formats, believe me! :)

Z
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RE: Framemaker installed under Administrator

[Syed.Hosain]

Overzealousness at its height, I suspect. Or a novice Administrator.

Installing an application with "allow running for all users" can be done
only as an Administrator if that is what he wants to control. It has
*nothing* to do with giving away Administrator rights or passwords, and
will not cause the user to miraculously gain new abilities to *install*
other software. It is a standard Windows (albeit optional) application
installation capability so that *all* users of a given system can run
programs installed by others (typically Administrators!)

Clearly, some applications (Photoshop in his example ...) select the
"allow run for all users" as their default (and the installer programs
don't ask apparently!) - and this guy is too much of a novice to
understand that, I suppose? Other applications use this optional feature
in Windows installations, (to restrict usage to a singel user for
example), and FrameMaker installation falls into this camp apparently.
Probably because of a different installer program being used by
FrameMaker.

There are probably some white papers, or explanations, of this optional
capability, available on the Microsoft web site I suppose. But this will
take time to research.

I think all he as to do ... as Administrator ... to fix this issue:

1. De-activate FrameMaker.
2. Uninstall FrameMaker.
3. Re-install FrameMaker - with "run for all users" allowed.
4. Re-activate FrameMaker.

This does not empower the non-Admin user of that system to do other
installations! Or to violate any security holes. Frankly, Adobe is not
likely to "fix" FrameMaker to accommodate such a silly request.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott White
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: FrameUsers List; O'Laoghaire Micheal
Subject: Re: Framemaker installed under Administrator

Ok I just got off the phone with this guy. He doesn't like my
suggestions, Art's suggestion or anyone else's.
He wants to control what gets installed and downloaded on a machine so
he wants to do all installs and downloads as administrator rights. He
doesn't want to give this person administrator rights to run the
software in fear this person will download other things.
He installed photoshop and InDesign under these rules and they will open
up for the user rights. It's just Frame that won't. He wants me to get
with Adobe and have them fix this or get answers to his problem.

He just sent me a log dissertation on why windows administrators must do
what they are doing -- make everything tighter than bark on a tree.

Any other help appreciated.



Scott White
Media Production & EBC Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
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RE: Merging books: Need FM mechanisms and methodologies for merging books with large fraction of identical material

[Syed.Hosain]

> In addition, there is also the "possibility of migrating everything
from FM to Word" floating around at this particular client. So there is
never much point in making a big investment in FM book restructuring.

Argh ... they should re-think this "possibility".

While I had been an early FrameMaker user (1988 ... on a Sun 3/50 mono
system), I stopped using it circa 1991 or so (although I beta-tested FM
5 in Windows - pre Adobe days - some years after that).

In this company (joined in 1996), I used to do everything in Word and it
worked pretty well until my documents started exceeding 50 to 60 to 70
pages each. Then, the frustrations of repeat crashes, lost edits, Word's
insane attempts to "think" for me and apply formats, etc., just got to
me. I switched [back] to FrameMaker for everything larger than 50 pages
some years back - version 6.0 as I recall - and have been a much happier
person since. :)

Now, I still churn out the occasional short document spec in Word -
particular if it starts out that way from the technical person who gave
me the input. But anything that I *know* is going to be long and/or need
proper, consistent formatting, etc., gets done in FrameMaker. Some of
the other folks here also use Word and have problems. Our Marketing
department tech writer also switched to FrameMaker some time back.

The assumption that switching these documents to Word will somehow make
the tasks easier, is seriously flawed logic.

Z
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RE: Frame Postscript Output Problem

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Janice.

There are lots of people here who have, over the years, experienced
problems with the "Save As PDF ..." method. So, it has become the
"normal" recommendation over time to avoid that.

However, there are some of us who have *not* had problems. In fact, I am
one of those who believes that the "Save As" capability works better and
more reliably for me ... and I have heard from others in the same vein
too!

FWIW, here is an old post from me to this list on the issue:

> > To be as clear as possible, the "save as PDF" feature of FrameMaker
7 is not at all compatible with Acrobat 7, 8, or 9!
> >
>   - Dov

> Folks, I have to ask if this is categorically true for everybody ...
because, my experience with "Save as PDF" to Acrobat has been just fine
over the years.

> I have used all versions of FM 6, 7, and 8 (for FM 9, evaluation only
for a few weeks) with the various *similar* Acrobat generations
available at those times (including FM 7.2 with Acrobat 8) and have not
had any major difficulties with the "Save as PDF" from within FM.

> (Other than the issue with having to change the paragraph tag settings
- one time for any given document - for the PDF generation back and
forth a few times till I get the sequence right and prevent the
now-expected FM crash. But that is a one-time frustration - albeit silly
and aggravating and I wish Adobe would fix it - with any given document
and any given version change of FM or Acrobat. After making the changes
to the settings for a document, when using a new version of FM, the
"Save as PDF" works perfectly for me from then on.)

> In fact, having tried both "Save as PDF" and "Print to PDF" (only a
few times though), with "Save as PDF" I'd say I get better results,
since it gives me the heading markers and window automatically ... which
I was not able to figure out afterwards with "Print to PDF", so I gave
up on that fairly quickly.

> Is this perhaps a case of "YMMV" rather than a clear problem for
*everybody*?

> Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Janice
Swanson
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:24 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FW: Frame Postscript Output Problem

Scott:

I tried to send this message last week, but it did not seem to get
through.
I have just joined frameusers.com and have never posted before, but have
been lurking and learning. 

 

In your original post you indicated that your client could create a pdf
successfully by using Save As. Are there any problems with that method?
I
ask because I went through this issue when I first learned that it is
"best
practice" to set your default printer and print to Adobe PDF (which I
did
using the Sundorne utility). As with your client, printing to Adobe PDF,
however, would produce no output. I tried all of the things that have
been
suggested to you on this forum. I've seen nothing new here that I had
not
tried. Nothing changed - I still could never get any output. I did
discover
though that using the Save As method produces PDFs quickly with no
missing
text or similar issues that used to be reported when using Save As, so I
have been using the Save As PDF method successfully ever since. 

 

(This is me touching wood...) I'm not sure what I'll do if Save As PDF
stops
working for me, but hopefully I never have to cross that bridge. 

 

Janice Swanson, 

Technical Writer

 



Iders Incorporated

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RE: [framescript-users] OT: Backup software

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Rick.

 

I use "Shadow Protect" from www.storagecraft.com ... works very, very
well for me! Check out their 30 day trial version and you may be hooked.

 

Automatically, I do a weekly drive image on Monday mornings, hourly
backups during the day on every day of the rest of the week onto an
attached USB drive.

 

I can recover any version of a file up to an hour late max. The hourly
backup takes less than a minutes ... usually just a few seconds.

 

I *particular* like the ability to "mount" the backup image as a drive
and then can easily use Windows File Explorer or *any* file access tool
to get to the files I need - quite transparent!

 

The only limitation I have found is that if you try to restore a
complete image of a partition (due to a disk failure or something like
that), the new drive partition has to be as large (or larger) than the
original disk partition you backed up. Yes, there are some partition
"compression" tools available in the bootable CD bootable (for the
restore) to get a "smaller" image, but this only takes you down some
ways - this is a natural result if the original disk is fragmented. L

 

Z

 

From: framescript-us...@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:framescript-us...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 8:35 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; fram...@omsys.com;
framescript-us...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [framescript-users] OT: Backup software

 

  

Please excuse the cross-posting and the off-topic request, but I have
received excellent advice from you over the years.

Having just survived a hard drive meltdown, with the loss of some data,
I am
looking for recommendations for backup software. I normally back up my
data,
but it is still a pain to reinstall all of my programs and set things up
after a disaster. Is there a way to make a disk image that can be used
so
that the OS, applications, etc. can be restored? This may be asking too
much, but it would be nice to be able to restore everything, including
the
OS, after a hardware failure. Any advice and recommendations would be
appreciated. Thanks.

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RE: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks, guys!

Sounds like I will investigate it and see how it goes. I am hoping to 
piggy-back on the efforts of the software folks who are looking at it too.

However ... any other recommendations too for what I am trying to do?

Regards,

Z


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: qui...@airmail.net
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

Scott and Syed

I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
its own comparison tool

My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
work with the SVN.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/9/27  :
> As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced
> files. Subversion is similar to CVS.
>
> It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.
>
> If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then
> you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.
>
> Scott
>
>
> syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
>> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
>> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>> <http://www.collabnet.com>  for more info) in our software development
>> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
>> documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence my questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.       Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
>> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
>>
>> 2.       How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
>> (like .book and .fm files)?
>>
>> 3.       How much did you like or dislike it?
>>
>> 4.       Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
>> this purpose?
>>
>>
>>
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Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Syed.Hosain]

 (Trying this again since my first two did not going through ... more
than a few days now.)

 

Hi, all.

 

I often update specifications and documents (all get a new version
number, etc.). Currently, I maintain these in separate folders for each
version of a given spec. Basically, one folder contains the .book and
all the .fm and image and other files necessary to generate the PDF for
particular version of the document.

 

But this can easily get out of hand ... one of my documents is at
version 22.7 for example, over the years! There are many duplicate image
and .fm files as a result of this - whatever does not change from
version to version.

 

It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
and minimizes the number of duplicate files.

 

As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
  for more info) in our software development
group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
documents.

 

Hence my questions:

 

1.   Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?

2.   How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
(like .book and .fm files)?

3.   How much did you like or dislike it?

4.   Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
this purpose?

 

Z

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RE: FrameMaker 8 installation files downloadable anywhere?

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks, Michael.

I also got an off-list message to that link. I have downloaded it from there.

Now, I just need to get past the next problem now: the activation did not work 
since I could not de-activate it from the previous system. I had already 
activated it twice due to a faulty drive some time back - which an Adobe person 
helped me with a temporary activation license. This particular FrameMaker 8 
download (says it on the site) *requires* the license key ... without any 30 
day trial period allowed apparently.

So, I have to call Adobe on Monday ... cannot work this weekend to catch up on 
late items. Mixed feelings there! :)

Argh ... the joy of being all legal and still having to jump through licensing 
and activation hoops because of piracy from others. Maddening!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
Müller-Hillebrand
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:22 AM
To: framers List
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8 installation files downloadable anywhere?

See here, at Adobe:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4549

I am not sure if it is the latest patch release (8.0p277), so if it is  
not, you need to apply patch installers, all listed here:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows

Good luck,

- Michael

Am 12.09.2009 um 00:42 schrieb  :

> Hi, all.
>
> My old laptop is not functioning and I need to migrate to a new one  
> that
> is now on my desk.
>
> Unfortunately, I cannot find my FrameMaker 8 disks anywhere  
> (although I
> have the license info printed and saved away luckily) ... is there any
> place on the Adobe web site that I can use to download the  
> installation
> file?
>
> I can only see the FrameMaker 9 file on their site, but since I am not
> yet using that ... unfortunately, it will not work.
>
> Help!
>
> Z

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FrameMaker 8 installation files downloadable anywhere?

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, all.

My old laptop is not functioning and I need to migrate to a new one that
is now on my desk.

Unfortunately, I cannot find my FrameMaker 8 disks anywhere (although I
have the license info printed and saved away luckily) ... is there any
place on the Adobe web site that I can use to download the installation
file?

I can only see the FrameMaker 9 file on their site, but since I am not
yet using that ... unfortunately, it will not work.

Help!

Z
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RE: Running FM9 (and TCS2) on 64-bit systems

[Syed.Hosain]

> FrameMaker automatically runs properly in 32-bit mode in Vista 64-bit
and Windows 7
> 64-bit versions. There is nothing that you need to do to cause this to
happen.

>   - Dov

My experience is the same as well - (FrameMaker 8 and the trial version
only of FrameMaker 9) - on a Windows 7 64-bit system.

The only reason I changed to Windows 7 32-bit (just yesterday) was
because I ran into a few missing driver issues with Windows 7 64-bit ...
and the Vista 64-bit versions of those drivers did not work for some
reason. But this decision was unrelated to FrameMaker in any way.

The occasional problems of being an early adopter ... sigh.

Z
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RE: Windows 7 and FrameMaker - RTM list

[Syed.Hosain]

Ummm ... I am running Windows 7 (both 64 bit and 32 bit) on 2GB and 3GB
machines without any difficulty - but have not yet tried 1GB systems.

Faster and less of a load than Vista actually! :)

And, yes, Windows 7 is likely to be an XP killer ... finally! I find it
quicker and cleaner than XP.

Z

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Subject: RE: Windows 7 and FrameMaker - RTM list

Rick asked about the RTM.

Microsoft just closed the Beta RTM list - The code fails after this
week.

For others, before you update, get this FREE Windows 7 Advisor tool,
to test yea olde PC which may not like Windows 7.  We have 7 PCs that 
failed the test,
you need 4 Gb memory.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx

Best place to buy your upgrade WalMart and Cosco - we heard $50.

Good luck all ... say goodbye to XP...

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RE: best price on Adobe Tech Comm Suite 2?

[Syed.Hosain]

Amazon has it for $1699. Only 2 left in stock ... 

http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Technical-Communication-Suite-2/dp/B001OBGLZ
W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250609744&sr=8-1

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David
Schleicher
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:56 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: best price on Adobe Tech Comm Suite 2?

Hi all. I'm an independent contractor and consequently I pay for my own
software out of pocket. I've been cruising along with FrameMaker 6 for a
very long time, as well as an old version of RoboHelp, and I'm now
thinking
of biting the bullet and buying the Adobe Technical Communication Suite
2
(w/ Frame 9, RoboHelp 8, Photoshop CS4, etc). Since the software I
already
have is quite old I'm not eligible for the "upgrade" pricing, nor am I
eligible for the academic version pricing. So I'm looking at $1900 to
buy
the Suite through the Adobe web site. It'll be tax deductible of course,
but
still, that's pricey.

 

Does anyone know of a less expensive place to buy the Suite?

 

Thanks much.

 

Dave Schleicher

Portsmouth, NH
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RE: log out, logout or log off logoff

[Syed.Hosain]

If it is a web site or something like that, I would use either "log out"
or "log off" as the instruction.

However, if it is a local program, then a simple "exit the program" or
"exit" is better.

Z

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Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:19 AM
To: FrameMaker discussion list (omsys) (FrameMaker discussion list
(omsys)); framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: log out, logout or log off logoff

What do you call it when you exit a program and return to the main log
in screen:
 
log out, logout or 
 
log off, logoff
 
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RE: Variables established at book level?

[Syed.Hosain]

I have looked before but not found any Frame built-in capability that did this.

BookVars is the best way to go here! I could not do without it. My 
most-oft-used add-on! :)

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:53 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Variables established at book level?

Hi, everyone.

Is there a way to establish variables in the first file in your book file and 
have them carry through all the remaining files?

The appeal is, I establish book title, part number, and rev date variables on 
the cover page of my book; I then use those variables in the headers and 
footers of all the following chapters. It would be great to only have to set 
them up once, without even using the "Import Formats" function, through which I 
have come to grief more than once.

Is there a way to change the variables in the Cover file (the first file in my 
book.fm) and have them carry over into all the remaining book files, without 
having to do anything more?

I know about the plug-in, "BookVars," but  I think someone mentioned a built-in 
capability in Frame along those lines.

Or did I dream that? 

Thanks.

--Nancy
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RE: Frame Maker 9 and some questions about its indexing and page limits

[Syed.Hosain]

Wow! That would drive me totally bonkers if it had happened to me ...!!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:12 AM
To: davec2...@aim.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Frame Maker 9 and some questions about its indexing and
page limits

I worked at a place (Leading Edge computers, now defunct) a couple of
decades ago where the offices of 5-6 people -- a department -- were
moved during a (long) lunch hour, without their knowledge. When they
came back from lunch, they discovered their department had moved.
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RE: Standard font for technical documentation

[Syed.Hosain]

> For standard typefaces embedded in print PDF documents, I use Palatino
Linotype for serifs, the new (free) Inconsolata-dk for monospaced, and
any of a number of sans-serif typefaces--usually Arial, Verdana,
Calibri., etc.

Hi, Gary.

Did you mean Inconsolata-dk or Incolsolata-dz? I have not seen the
former ... just found the latter and will do some comparisons to my
current favorite (see below).

My fonts for printed technical documentation - these are always sent to
customers in PDF files:

1. Palatino Linotype for all body text. I used to use Palatino and
discovered an unusual spacing problem with copyright, registered and
trademark letters. The space after these characters is insufficient and
they are too close to the first character of the next word. I don't know
if others see it too and it is just a problem with the Palatino font I
have - I can provide a PDF sample if anyone wants.

2. Helvetica for all headers. I used to use Arial, but was clearly shown
(in this list! :)) that Helvetica looks a lot better in larger sizes
(like headers) and in printed form - better curves, etc.

3. Consolas for monospaced code examples, etc. I used to use Courier,
but after I discovered Consolas (in Word 2007) some years ago, I have
not looked back!

Z

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RE: Heading levels in a UG

[Syed.Hosain]

Ah! 72 levels of headings are quite possible then.

.
.
.

I kid, I kid! :)

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:24 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: Heading levels in a UG


> You can avoid that by starting your chapter titles at 72pt and slowly
> decrease from there. ;)

Heading1   72 pt.
  Heading 2   71 pt.
Heading 370 pt.
  etc.

: )

Mike Wickham
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RE: Heading levels in a UG

[Syed.Hosain]

I use a maximum of 4 ... anything more, and the heading numbering scheme
gets quite clumsy and distracts from the content.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Evanth,
Henrik
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Heading levels in a UG

Hi All

I have an off-topic question that may or may not interest you. 

We are having a discussion at the office regarding the maximum levels of
heading that a User guide/User manual can/should contain. Do you know of
any best practice rules that define how deep a publication should/could
be. Personally I think that 6 levels is too deep for a user, but that is
just a personal preference that I cannot back up with "evidence".

Heading 1
   Heading 2
  Heading 3
 Heading 4
Heading 5
   Heading 6
   
Insights, comments or instructions are highly appreciated.

Best Regards
/Henrik
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RE: Soliciting hardware recommendations

[Syed.Hosain]

>> If you get an Intel Core 2 Duo (or Core 2 Quad) system, running at
>> 2.6GHz or higher, with 4GB of DDR2 RAM and 7200rpm drives 
>> (RAID 0 might
>> be a bit of overkill but easy enough to do), Windows Vista Business
>> 64-bit, and something like an nVidia 9600GT card or better, you will
>> have *more* than enough power to run FrameMaker with excellent
>> performance. This should cost under $1000 or so ... depending on the
>> other options you want on it.

> Of course you can continue to use a Mac system.
> Only a correction regarding Vista 64 bit. As far
> as I know FrameMaker does not run on 64 bit Vista.
> That was posted here several times.

Hmmm .. I have not seen that posted before. It is not an issue as far as
I am concerned. I have FrameMaker 8.0 running fine under Vista 64-bit
and now using it on Windows 7 64-bit without any problems either.

Z
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RE: Soliciting hardware recommendations

[Syed.Hosain]

Keep in mind that it is not necessarily obvious that the home-brew
system is at fault. It may simply be a matter of re-installing the OS
and applications if it is not too old a machine. What is the system
motherboard, how much memory does it have, what are the drives, how old
is it, what OS ... those may have specific relevance.

If your Mac is Intel-chip based, have you considered running Windows
under MacOS (using one of the programs on the market for this purpose)?
This may allow you to run FrameMaker and Acrobat in Windows on your Mac
hardware.

Separately, most of the Dell and Lenova and HP mid- to high-end desktop
systems will work fine for your needs. Their web-site configurators will
provide you the information. The issue to keep in mind is that a good
mid-range graphics cards will be important, particularly one with dual
DVI connectors, and lots of separate graphics memory (i.e., not using
main memory like the graphics chipsets on the motherboards).

If you get an Intel Core 2 Duo (or Core 2 Quad) system, running at
2.6GHz or higher, with 4GB of DDR2 RAM and 7200rpm drives (RAID 0 might
be a bit of overkill but easy enough to do), Windows Vista Business
64-bit, and something like an nVidia 9600GT card or better, you will
have *more* than enough power to run FrameMaker with excellent
performance. This should cost under $1000 or so ... depending on the
other options you want on it.

If you want more performance than pick one of the Intel i7 systems, (the
920 or 940 based).

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of D L Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 9:20 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Soliciting hardware recommendations 

Penny wise and pound foolish...

As a Mac diehard, I resisted buying a Windows machine for a very long  
time. And then I bought a machine cobbled together by a neighbor, a  
self-described "computer expert." Bad idea. I have serious  
intermittent problems creating PDFs from within FrameMaker. About  
half the time, FM crashes when it hits a particular page. The page in  
question changes from day to day, sometimes from minute to minute. It  
isn't FM or the files -- they work fine on other machines. So it must  
be my "custom" computer. Time to get a real Windows box.

I'm looking for a desktop machine, not a laptop. Must be able to  
accommodate two 22" monitors. Can you recommend anything?

Many thank,

--D Reynolds

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RE: Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0

[Syed.Hosain]

This is my practice as well, although I don't go to a complete text file. What 
I do is read the RTF into Frame and then "copy/paste-special" paragraphs and 
text into a new document, applying proper paragraph formats as I go.

Using my approach minimizes (but does not eliminate) overlooking formatting 
items (like emphasis in italics or bolding, underlining, , etc.) that were in 
the original Word document.

Z


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:44 PM
To: Art Campbell; Flato, Gillian
Cc: Framers List
Subject: RE: Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0


As a novice Frame user, I am currently doing the same thing (taking a 350 page 
Word manual and moving to FrameMaker 9).

As a long time, highly skilled Word user, I know from experience that there is 
a mountain of invisible crap in the Word doc - so my best advice is to not 
import the Word document at all!

Instead, save the Word doc as a text file, open the text file in something like 
Notepad, then copy in the plain text and completely reformat the Frame doc from 
scratch. This may be more work in the short term, but you'll create a better 
template and avoid any hassles that importing Word files could cause down the 
road.

Yes, this means you have to deal with everything (graphics, master pages, etc) 
from scratch. But it also gives you the chance to begin your Frame career with 
a "best practices for FrameMaker" approach rather than a "I have to live with 
Word-defined stuff even though I'm now working in Frame" approach. 

I have no doubt this is taking me longer, but I am more confident about the 
results.

Alison

 

 
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:25 PM
To: Flato, Gillian
Cc: Framers List
Subject: Re: Importing a Word Doc into Frame v9.0

The procedures and best practices for importing Word files are still
the same as for earlier versions of Frame...
Usually, the best results are obtained by saving s RTF in Word and
opening that file... Graphics, if they're embedded in the Word file,
can be recreated by saving the Word as HTML, then they can be imported
by reference in Frame.

Probably the most important thing she needs to master quickly is the
idea of using a book to manage more smaller files...

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Flato, Gillian wrote:
> A cousin of mine is a complete novice on Frame. She is buying Frame v9.0
> and importing a 300 page Word manual into it. (After editing the 1rst
> edition of the manual in Word, she said, never again). I have never seen
> Frame v9.0, I still use Frame v8.0.
>
> How does Frame v9.0 map Word Paragraph styles? Does it do a better job
> than Frame v8? What does she need to do first to ensure an easy and
> successful import?
>
> Any recommendations for some good online training classes for Frame
> v9.0?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> <mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com>
>
> Gillian Flato
>
> Technical Writer (Software)
>
> nanometrics
>
> 1550 Buckeye Dr.
>
> Milpitas, CA. 95035
>
> (408.545.6316
>
> 7  408.232.5911
>
> * gfl...@nanometrics <mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com> .com
> mailto:v...@nanometrics.com>
>
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RE: WEBINAR: Using FrameMaker and DITA with XDocs Content ManagementSystem

[Syed.Hosain]

Art Campbell wrote:
> Uh, Scott, this seems to be taking place at 10 a.m. PST, which means 7
a.m. EST...
> Is that correct?

Ummm ... 1pm Eastern.

Z
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RE: Converting PDF to Word

[Syed.Hosain]

> Might be easier to use Mif2Go to wrote the RTF for Word, from
FrameMaker directly.

Argh ... "wrote" should be "write".

Z
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RE: Converting PDF to Word

[Syed.Hosain]

I use PDF Convertor Pro for PDF->Word conversions ... works reasonably
well, but still needs a lot of cleaning up after the work is done.

Might be easier to use Mif2Go to wrote the RTF for Word, from FrameMaker
directly.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Galanter
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Converting PDF to Word

Hi Framers,

I'm hoping someone can help me out with converting PDFs to Word docs. My
department creates our user guides in FrameMaker, but other departments
want to use our text in their materials as well, so they ask me for a
Word version. I have been using Adobe Acrobat to save the PDF as a Word
doc but it really looks awful and puts the text in weird chunks --
useable but not pretty. (Yes, we could use a real content management
system--we've already asked, and the answer has been an emphatic No.)

I started looking for applications that can create a good Word version
of a PDF, but thought I might ask here in case anyone is already using
one that they can highly recommend (something not expensive).

Thanks!

Lea Galanter
Lead Technical Editor and Writer
Attenex, an F T I company 
lgalan...@attenex.com
www.attenex.com
Phone: 206-689-4438 

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RE: Save As not working with Acrobat Pro 9.0- issue still not resolved

[Syed.Hosain]

> To be as clear as possible, the "save as PDF" feature of FrameMaker 7
is not at all compatible with Acrobat 7, 8, or 9!
>
>   - Dov

Folks, I have to ask if this is categorically true for everybody ...
because, my experience with "Save as PDF" to Acrobat has been just fine
over the years.

I have used all versions of FM 6, 7, and 8 (for FM 9, evaluation only
for a few weeks) with the various *similar* Acrobat generations
available at those times (including FM 7.2 with Acrobat 8) and have not
had any major difficulties with the "Save as PDF" from within FM.

(Other than the issue with having to change the paragraph tag settings -
one time for any given document - for the PDF generation back and forth
a few times till I get the sequence right and prevent the now-expected
FM crash. But that is a one-time frustration - albeit silly and
aggravating and I wish Adobe would fix it - with any given document and
any given version change of FM or Acrobat. After making the changes to
the settings for a document, when using a new version of FM, the "Save
as PDF" works perfectly for me from then on.)

In fact, having tried both "Save as PDF" and "Print to PDF" (only a few
times though), with "Save as PDF" I'd say I get better results, since it
gives me the heading markers and window automatically ... which I was
not able to figure out afterwards with "Print to PDF", so I gave up on
that fairly quickly.

Is this perhaps a case of "YMMV" rather than a clear problem for
*everybody*?

Z
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RE: Use of "please" in technical documentation and messages on screen

[Syed.Hosain]

Mike Wickham wrote:

> Actually, the way I would write the message avoids passive voice and
omits 
> needless words. I would write, "Updating result list. Please wait..."

This is how I'd do it too ... :)

Z
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RE: Getting Rid of Font Change Warning

[Syed.Hosain]

> >Before I go installing the SetPrint utility, I have a couple of
>questions:
> >
> >- Can I imitate this utility by going to File > Print Setup and 
> >choosing Adobe PDF as the printer? 

> If you are there to make the change, you can.  But a build
> system can't.  And personally, I find it way easier to leave
> the Frame printer set to Adobe PDF, regardless of the system
> default printer setting.

For this same reason, I leave my Windows default printer set to Adobe
PDF - no issues at all then. :)

> >Is this saved for FrameMaker in general, or for the book that 
> >I have open?

> Frame in general.

> >- If I install SetPrint, does it mean that when I want to print 
> >a few pages for a quick discussion, I have to generate a PDF 
> >and print from that? 

> No, in that case you just select the local printer you want
> first, though you may get better results in some cases by
> going through PDF.  The time difference is small; try it
> both ways, and see what you prefer.

As mentioned above, I leave my Windows default printer to Adobe PDF.
Then, I don't need to worry about FrameMaker settings.

Then, it depends on the purpose to print those few or more pages.

If it is to see/review what the end look/feel result will be, then it is
best to generate the few pages in PDF and print from within Acrobat -
shows the likely printed outcome eventually when the recipient of the
document will get it.

If it is just to proof the text (or some local purpose like an internal
review), then I just select the actual printer at that point and print
those pages and not worry about the look/feel till much later.

Z
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RE: Horizontal Range Braces

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Baruch,

I was aware of the character format capability (I use them in numbering
for headings and text in the sidehead), but not the ability to select
them in equations. My experience with the equations editor is extremely
low - no reasons to use them till now! :)

I will try all this out as well.

Thanks again,

Z

-Original Message-
From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:bar...@technitext.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:00 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Horizontal Range Braces

Z,

You can increase the point size, and thus the proportional thickness of
the
brace, in Special > Equations > Equations > Equations Sizes (or Esc, p,
e).
For horizontal braces modify Level 1 equation sizes.

FrameMaker Help also gives this valuable advice:

To change the character format for functions, numbers, strings, and
variables:

1. Create the character format you want (see "The Paragraph and
Character
Designers" on page 94).
2. On the Equations palette, choose Equation Fonts from the Equations
pop-up
menu. 
3. Choose the character format from the Functions, Numbers, Strings, or
Variables pop-up menu, and click Set. The pop-up menus contain the
formats
stored in the Character Catalog.

Baruch

***

On Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:08 PM, you wrote:

Hi, Baruch.

Okay, I tried your response and this worked well enough that I think I
can make do for what I am trying. Thanks!

But ... a comment and questions that might help me do yet better:

1. I used the Color > Definition > ... to make a new color - it is not
under the Special > ... (you did note that you had not done this
recently, so I am merely recording this here for other people :) ).

2. The brace length appears to have stepped settings - it doesn't
increase linearly with the text as nicely as I might like (to get a more
control on the size).

3. I tried to change the font size, and that helped a bit, but the brace
becomes pretty thin and faint then.

4. Applying a bold to the text (while the delimiter brace is also
selected) does not change the underbrace or overbrace at all though (as
far as I can tell).

Any recommendation on whether this brace can be changed to look a bit
"heavier" or more curved, etc? It seems to be quite independent of the
font ...

Thanks much again!

Z



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RE: Horizontal Range Braces

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Baruch.

Okay, I tried your response and this worked well enough that I think I
can make do for what I am trying. Thanks!

But ... a comment and questions that might help me do yet better:

1. I used the Color > Definition > ... to make a new color - it is not
under the Special > ... (you did note that you had not done this
recently, so I am merely recording this here for other people :) ).

2. The brace length appears to have stepped settings - it doesn't
increase linearly with the text as nicely as I might like (to get a more
control on the size).

3. I tried to change the font size, and that helped a bit, but the brace
becomes pretty thin and faint then.

4. Applying a bold to the text (while the delimiter brace is also
selected) does not change the underbrace or overbrace at all though (as
far as I can tell).

Any recommendation on whether this brace can be changed to look a bit
"heavier" or more curved, etc? It seems to be quite independent of the
font ...

Thanks much again!

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:36 AM
To: Baruch Brodersen; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Horizontal Range Braces

Thanks! I will give this a try today.

Z

-Original Message-
From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:baruch.broder...@bigbandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:15 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Horizontal Range Braces

Z,

You can create horizontal range braces in the Delimiter menu of the
Equation editor (Special > Equations Delimiter).

Inserting them is a little trickier. Create an equation with the sole
content being the horizontal range brace. To extend the width of the
brace you need to add text characters in the equation. If you don't want
those to appear in your final document, create a color---name it
something like "Invisible" (Special > Color > Definition > New Color)
and then give it an invisible view: (Special > Color > View >
Invisible). 

[It's been a while since I've done this, so feel free to chime in on the
correct method.]

Then create a new charter format and set everything to As Is except the
color, which you should make Invisible. Use that to make the characters
needed to widen the horizontal range brace disappear.

Shrink-wrap the equation (Esc, m, p), then select the equation's
anchored frame and change the alignment from Cropped to Floating
(Special > Anchored Frame). Drag the horizontal range brace to the
location you want, then right-click to send-to-back or front, or
whatever. You might consider creating the whole lot in a text inset so
the horizontal range brace moves with the text.

Best,

Baruch Brodersen


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Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: 

Hi, all.
 
I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.

How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:

"h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"

(All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)

The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.

I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...

I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
result, by the way.

Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?

Thanks in advance,

Z
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RE: [OT]: RE:

[Syed.Hosain]

Ah!

I got "Mail undeliverable" messages (but didn't keep them to look further), so 
I presumed that it was the link.

Thanks!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Rush
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:13 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [OT]: RE: 

I doubt that it was bouncing because of the URL. I've received no email from
this group for days, and I assume that there was a problem with the list
server. It seems to be fixed now, thankfully.

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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 4:21 PM
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Subject: 

Hi, all.

 

I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.

 

How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:

 

"h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"

 

(All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)

 

The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.

 

I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...

 

I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
result, by the way.

 

Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Z

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RE: Horizontal Range Braces

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks! I will give this a try today.

Z

-Original Message-
From: Baruch Brodersen [mailto:baruch.broder...@bigbandnet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:15 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Horizontal Range Braces

Z,

You can create horizontal range braces in the Delimiter menu of the
Equation editor (Special > Equations Delimiter).

Inserting them is a little trickier. Create an equation with the sole
content being the horizontal range brace. To extend the width of the
brace you need to add text characters in the equation. If you don't want
those to appear in your final document, create a color---name it
something like "Invisible" (Special > Color > Definition > New Color)
and then give it an invisible view: (Special > Color > View >
Invisible). 

[It's been a while since I've done this, so feel free to chime in on the
correct method.]

Then create a new charter format and set everything to As Is except the
color, which you should make Invisible. Use that to make the characters
needed to widen the horizontal range brace disappear.

Shrink-wrap the equation (Esc, m, p), then select the equation's
anchored frame and change the alignment from Cropped to Floating
(Special > Anchored Frame). Drag the horizontal range brace to the
location you want, then right-click to send-to-back or front, or
whatever. You might consider creating the whole lot in a text inset so
the horizontal range brace moves with the text.

Best,

Baruch Brodersen


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
syed.hos...@aeris.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: 

Hi, all.
 
I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.

How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:

"h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"

(All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)

The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.

I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...

I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
result, by the way.

Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?

Thanks in advance,

Z
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[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, all.

 

I am using FrameMaker 8 on a Windows Vista system.

 

How can I insert a "horizontal range brace" character or graphic like
the ones used in figure 3-4 on page 23 of this paper:

 

"h t t p : / / w w w . c d g . o r g / resources / white_papers /
MEID_EUIMID_Migration . p d f"

 

(All these e-mails from me to the list are bouncing. I assume they are
not going through due to the above URL. I will try again with many
spaces inserted. Please remove them to get to the file.)

 

The figure uses downward (and one upward) pointing brace-like "range
delimiters" that I'd like to do in a similar way for some diagrams I am
working. And to be able to simply and easily stretch them horizontally
to grow and shrink them as needed for other ranges. Without messing up
the quality of the curves at each end - i.e., make them look similar.

 

I can do everything else in that figure pretty easily, but I am stumped
on this particular item! I thought about trying to use the Equation
editor (did not see anything useful), or rotating a "{" text box (looked
messy when stretched), but these attempts did not work. The graphics
drawing tools just seem too limited for this ...

 

I am trying to avoid any tools outside FrameMaker to achieve this
result, by the way.

 

Thoughts? How have other people done anything similar?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Z

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RE: List of files w/i a directory

[Syed.Hosain]

In a dos window:

Dir /s > file.txt

will do what you want. The "/s" means list subdirectories.

BTW, in a dos window, doing: 

"Command /?"

Lists all the options for that "command".

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Paul Kent
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:46 AM
To: TECHWR; Framers
Subject: OT: List of files w/i a directory

I'm getting ready to send off a CD to my client's customer and have been
asked to provide a list of files on the CD. 

I've got a vague recollection of a DOS command that would list all of
the files in a directory and it's subdirectories and pipe them to a txt
file, but its been err, well, a bit longer than a week or two since I've
used that command. 

I'm thinking it's something like 


Dir *.*  >list.txt 

That command would do a directory of everything in the folder and it's
subdirectories and pipe them to a txt file. 

Can someone help me with the correct syntax for the DOS command or an
easier way to do this with the magic of Windows (XP and Office 2003 in
case that makes a difference)? 

Plz reply directly as I'm on digest and kind of need to get crackin on
this today if at all possible. 

Thanks in advance. 
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RE: Procedure How to Write a Manual!

[Syed.Hosain]

Ah ... the old NUXI problem. :)


> I also ran into "endian" while documenting a UNIX application. A
> subject-matter expert (SME) patiently explained it to me, though my
> impression at the time was that he was a little uncertain. Perhaps the
> uncertainty was about the explanation itself, not about his grasp of
> the concept.

> His explanation was simply that some processor chips interpret binary
> code (ones and zeroes) from the "Big end" and others "Little end." So
> a binary number that appears like 1000 to one chip would appear as
> 0001 to the other. I forget whether the big end is on the left or the
> right.


Uh ... if you are showing a binary number above, this is not quite
right. The bits *within* the byte do not change their order in the two
common ENDIAN types. It is the *order* of the bytes within memory that
the processor accesses.

And, depending on whether you are accessing the memory in 16 bit words
or 32 bit words (and presumably nowadays, in 64 bit words) the outcome
is different.

Two final comments:

1. In my documents, I call it "byte order" rather than endianness. Much
simpler and cleaner. KISS applies!

2. The term comes from Gulliver's Travels in Lilliput. The two countries
could not agree on which "end" of the egg to crack first - the big or
the little. Hence two camps ... same as in the computing world! :)

Z
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RE: Thank you all so much

[Syed.Hosain]

Sorry to hear this, Deirdre!

Hope you find some other opportunity very soon.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre
Reagan
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Thank you all so much

Hi All:

I was just let go from my job today, so I'm signing off this list,
since I'm not really an FM person -- just part of this job.

I want to take a minute to thank all of you for helping me out this
past year.  I didn't know FrameMaker AT ALL, and I quickly became the
go to guru based mainly on the fact that any time we had a question
about FM, I was able to go to you guys and get the answer quickly.

So thank you all very much and good luck to you all in this economy.

Sincerely,

Deirdre Reagan
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RE: Any experience Alfresco and/or other document management systems ...

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks, Troy! I appreciate the information. I am kicking off this
project in the next few days to weeks. Yesterday, I went ahead and
signed up for the Community Network access to see how it works ...

Regards,

Z

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From: Troy Fey [mailto:troy@opinicus.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:59 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Any experience Alfresco and/or other document management
systems ...

I've implemented Alfresco Community Network 2.1.0 as a "Customer Portal"
for this very purpose.  This version is no longer available for
download, however, I suspect the latest version of Alfresco will perform
just as well. If you want to stick with 2.1.0 I can email you the
tarball I used.  With respect to Alfresco Community 2.1.0.

Once the Alfresco application is installed and running, you will need to
add user accounts for each internal employee and external customer. Then
you'll want to configure each user's "space" (aka directory, or folder)
with the appropriate access control rights.  At a minimum you'll
probably want to remove the group "EVERYONE" from having "consumer"
(read-only) access.

After that, you'll then need to create one or more content rules to
email the appropriate users.  The rule will execute based on one or more
conditions.  Based on the context of your email, I suspect you'll want
to use the "Inbound" condition as the trigger to email one ore more
users.  Once the rule is in place, it can be modified, disabled, or
deleted. 

So, in short, it's pretty simple to configure Alfresco to perform the
tasks you desire.   On the other hand, depending on your IT
infrastructure, there may be considerable effort to install and maintain
the Alfresco application.  Here are a few things you'll need to address
during your installation: access to your email SMTP server,  web-site
firewall rules, CPU and memory allocation for the Apache Tomcat Server
used by Alfresco,  port conflicts with existing website, database type,
and hard disk storage capacity for your content.

I hope this helps

Cheers,

Troy
 
syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
> Sorry for the off-topic, but sorta-related question.
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Alfresco system
(www.alfresco.com) for use with distribution of documents? If so, can
you comment on that (or other competitive products, etc.)?
>
> Here is the the context:
>
> We do most of our Technical documentation in FrameMaker, our Marketing
collateral in Word and Publisher predominantly. All our distribution is
in Acrobat PDF format though, other than the printed collateral.
>
> Our technical documents are uploaded to our web site, in a system that
is password-protected for our customers to get access to the technical
docs. The problem I am attempting to address is: "automatic
notification" to internal company people as well as customers that a new
document is available. We had an experience recently that a Customer was
using an old document and was not aware that a more recent one was
available at our site.
>
> I have been told that Alfresco can solve this and other similar
"problems", but I'd like to get some insight before I spend a lot of
time on this particular product, since it seems overly complex for the
task.
>
> Thanks for any insight as to how people deal with this notification
issue.
>
> Z 
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Any experience Alfresco and/or other document management systems ...

[Syed.Hosain]

Sorry for the off-topic, but sorta-related question.

Does anyone have experience with the Alfresco system (www.alfresco.com)
for use with distribution of documents? If so, can you comment on that
(or other competitive products, etc.)?

Here is the the context:

We do most of our Technical documentation in FrameMaker, our Marketing
collateral in Word and Publisher predominantly. All our distribution is
in Acrobat PDF format though, other than the printed collateral.

Our technical documents are uploaded to our web site, in a system that
is password-protected for our customers to get access to the technical
docs. The problem I am attempting to address is: "automatic
notification" to internal company people as well as customers that a new
document is available. We had an experience recently that a Customer was
using an old document and was not aware that a more recent one was
available at our site.

I have been told that Alfresco can solve this and other similar
"problems", but I'd like to get some insight before I spend a lot of
time on this particular product, since it seems overly complex for the
task.

Thanks for any insight as to how people deal with this notification
issue.

Z
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RE: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior

[Syed.Hosain]

I use a similar, albeit older, laptop - it is a Dell 820 with a nVidia
Quadro 120 graphics card and an external Dell 24" LCD (at 1920 x 1200)
and do not remember seeing these screen artifacts when I trialed FM 9.
Since my trial license has expired, I cannot test again ... L

 

One other thought perhaps: I do have 2GB of memory ... how much does
your laptop have? Since these graphics cards only have 256MB on board,
they have to use some system memory when displaying full-screen stuff
and if you do not have enough memory in your laptop, this may be
swapping to the disk and creating the artifacts you see. This is a SWAG
though!

 

Otherwise, I am at a loss to explain the problems ... sorry!

 

Z

 

From: jalo...@gmail.com [mailto:jalo...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:00 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior

 

Hi Syed,

I did try switching to the single screen mode on the external monitor.
It had no affect. Also, I've noticed that the GUI distortions only occur
when I maximize the FM window and/or change the workspace while the FM
window is maximized. If the FM window isn't fully maximized, then the
GUI distortions do not occur when I change the workspaces.

Here are the specs.

-DVI connector 
-Dell E228WFP LCD Monitor
-Lap top: Dell Latitude D630
-Graphics card: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 135M

Thanks for the help,
Joe

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM,  wrote:

Are you using the DVI connector or the VGA connector on the laptop (to
connect to the external monitor - which I assume is an LCD monitor)? If
not DVI, can you try that and see if the problem persists?

Also, have you tried switching from dual-screen mode (where the output
is on both screens) to single-screen on the external monitor?

Which laptop and graphics card is it, by the way?

Z


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Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:20 PM
To: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior

Hi Art,

Apparently, I spoke too soon. The GUI distortions started occurring at
the lower res on my monitor right after I sent out an email saying they
didn't. So I am not sure what is going on. However, it is still the case
that FM 9's GUI renders without any problem on my lap top's monitor.

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RE: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior

[Syed.Hosain]

Are you using the DVI connector or the VGA connector on the laptop (to
connect to the external monitor - which I assume is an LCD monitor)? If
not DVI, can you try that and see if the problem persists?

Also, have you tried switching from dual-screen mode (where the output
is on both screens) to single-screen on the external monitor?

Which laptop and graphics card is it, by the way?

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:20 PM
To: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior

Hi Art,

Apparently, I spoke too soon. The GUI distortions started occurring at
the
lower res on my monitor right after I sent out an email saying they
didn't.
So I am not sure what is going on. However, it is still the case that FM
9's
GUI renders without any problem on my lap top's monitor.
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RE: Technical Writing Certificate

[Syed.Hosain]

In addition to courses, I would highly recommend buying and reading this
book:

http://www.scriptorium.com/books/techwrite101.html

Plus, Scriptorium also has on-line courses on FrameMaker and technical
writing:

http://www.scriptorium.com/training/class_techwrite101.html.

It is not a "certificate" program as far as I know, but worth your
while!

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:41 AM
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Subject: Technical Writing Certificate

Hello Framers:

Would someone please recommend a couple of online certificate programs
that I can take to become a technical writer?

What is the best online writing course available?? 

Thanks from a Newbie!
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RE: Adding a shadow to text in Framemaker 7.1

[Syed.Hosain]

If you do end up creating a graphic, then the best tool for this is from
Xara Corporation.

Check out www.xara.com for more information ... their Xara3D 6 will do
this and much more for text stuff - including outstanding and easy
shadow generation (for text and graphical objects).

The price ($29 for the download version) is excellent for what it does,
and they are having some sort of combined product sale right now (as I
recall) too.

Z

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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:43 PM
To: Tracy Penn
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Adding a shadow to text in Framemaker 7.1

Tracy,

What you are talking about is a graphic. Which is bad news. You would 
need to create the graphic for each chapter number.

IF you are lucky you might find a suitable font. But I wouldn't count on
it.

Scott

Tracy Penn wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone know how to add a shadow to the text in a chapter title in
> Framemaker 7.1?
>
> My company wants an automated chapter number in one size with a
shadow,
> and a smaller size chapter title without a shadow on the same line...
>
> I think I've figured out how to have different sized chapter number
and
> title on the same line, but I can't for the life of me see how to add
a
> shadow!
>
> Please help! 
> P.s. We use Verdana font
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RE: Font and Graphic problems after installing Acrobat 9.0

[Syed.Hosain]

I would start by removing Adobe Type Manager from her system. It is an
old, essentially unsupported Adobe product and was not *really* intended
to be used after Windows NT or Windows 2000 (I forget which). ATM may be
interacting improperly with the built-in font support inside Windows XP.

Frankly, the font control and support inside the newer operating systems
are better than what you can get with ATM, since that has not been
touched in ages by Adobe.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:39 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Font and Graphic problems after installing Acrobat 9.0

We use FM 7.0 p578 on Win XP, SP 3.
 
My coworker recently had Acrobat 9 Standard installed on her computer,
then the hard drive was cloned into a new box and the operating system
was reinstalled. So we don't really know what caused the problem.
 
For some FM documents, which she has worked on many times before, she
has two different problems, which we don't know to be related, but
started at the same time:
 
1. When she opens the file FM gives a message that it can't find the
font Arial Black, even though we can see it in the Windows font
directory and it shows up in the FM font list as well. She allows the
substitute and moves on.
 
2. If she tries to save the file with the same or a different name
she gets this message "An internal error occurred while writing imported
graphics in this document. The file has been saved, but has lost some
image data. Please report this error to Adobe Technical Support." What
gets saved is a file like "***.814".
 
I can open the same document on my machine, which has the same versions
of FM and Windows, but Acrobat 7 Pro. She has Adobe Type Manager
installed, which I don't.
 
The IT guy is busy reinstalling FM 7.0, which is all we could think of
to try.
 
Are there any ideas or suggestions out there?
 
Thanks,
 
Clint

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RE: Elementary Autonumber Question

[Syed.Hosain]

Lea saidRush :
> I can't count the frustrations I have with autonumbering in Word.

Indeed!! It's worst when it tries to read your mind.

Z
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RE: [semi-OT] Anyone having problems with this morning's Acrobat andReader patches?

[Syed.Hosain]

Lea Rush wrote:

> Thank you for posting this, Art. Once I checked, I found that all my
Start
> Menu shortcuts were invalidated. They still exist, but they have no
icon and
> point to nothing. Quite fixable, but very strange.

I had this happen too ... indeed strange. I did not bother to check to
see what they were pointing to (I suspect the executable got renamed ...
a SWAG).

But, everything else seems to be working normally otherwise. Touch wood
...

Thanks!

Z
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RE: OT: Cannot extract text from PDF

[Syed.Hosain]

Jim Pinkham wrote:
> Any possibility of printing, scanning, and OCRing (with Adobe Paper
Capture or another tool) the document? Not an elegant solution, perhaps,
but quite possibly faster than retyping, if this approach is feasible
for you.

Other similar possibilities:

1. Print/save the file as a TIF image (all font info disappears) and use
an OCR on that.

2. Try one of the PDF to Word convertors - I have had decent luck with
PDF Converter Professional from Scansoft (now called Nuance, as I
recall). I don't know what it would do on missing/corrupted fonts
though. Roger, if you want me to give this a shot on a small version of
the file, please feel free to e-mail some of the pages (extracted from
the PDF) to me and I will give it a shot.

Z
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RE: FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks fortheAcrobatBookmarks pane

[Syed.Hosain]

Okay! :)

BTW, my e-mail to the list bounced ... did yours do the same? I wonder
if this one will come through ...

Z


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From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@grafixtraining.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:32 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks
fortheAcrobatBookmarks pane

Always a slow process, but as a member of the last 2 beta teams, and
familiar with the engineers, I know that form submission is one of the
easiest ways to make sure an issue is considered. 


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From: syed.hos...@aeris.net [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 12:44 PM
To: Matt Sullivan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks
fortheAcrobatBookmarks pane

Thanks! I decided to submit my comments to that site ... just finished
getting it written ... wonder if anything will come of it!

Z

Matt wrote (in response to my rant):
> I think I may actually put this link into my email sig... (found by a
"googling" Adobe Wish List) Adobe Wishlist:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform 

> I know Dov monitors this list, but if we each report these irritations
to Adobe they'll get more attention than they get on this and other
lists.

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RE: FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks fortheAcrobatBookmarks pane

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks! I decided to submit my comments to that site ... just finished
getting it written ... wonder if anything will come of it!

Z

Matt wrote (in response to my rant):
> I think I may actually put this link into my email sig... (found by a
"googling" Adobe Wish List) Adobe Wishlist:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform 

> I know Dov monitors this list, but if we each report these irritations
to Adobe they'll get more attention than they get on this and other
lists.
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RE: FM 8 no longer generating PDFs with bookmarks for the AcrobatBookmarks pane

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Dov.

Please pardon my rant below ... not your personal fault at all! But,
Adobe does seriously need to fix PDF generation from FrameMaker, IMHO.

Dov wrote:
> FrameMaker (exceptionally unfortunately) unlike InDesign, Illustrator,
and Photoshop does NOT have the ability to directly export PDF using the
Adobe PDF Library.

[rant]
Is this still true for FrameMaker 9? (I have not checked this yet for
the trial version that I install a few days onto a Windows 7 system
here).

If still true, *when* should we expect it to happen? Frankly, the
inability to easily and reliably generate PDF from FrameMaker is
something that has been present far too long! And this issue needed to
be addressed *way* sooner than the fancy front-end that has been
released in FrameMaker 9. It is one of my pet peeves with FrameMaker
although I love the *program* otherwise (been using it - off and on -
since 1988 on a Sun 3/50)!

When I went back to using FrameMaker some years back, *every* time I
have done a FrameMaker version upgrade (from 6.0 to my current 8.0 -
every version!), I have had to reset the parameters and options I use
for the PDF generation process with Acrobat (also have all recent
versions). For the *same* set of books - and the settings are different
for each book! This last time, I had to turn Paragraph Tags on for one
large document for the process to work with FrameMaker 8 - the last
time, I had to turn it off for FM 7.2 for the very same document. To
avoid FrameMaker crashes or correctly generate the PDF output (without
missing tables or duplicated pages containing long tables)! I suspect
that I will have to do it again with FrameMaker 9 when I get there. :(

And, even now, with FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat 9, when I generate a PDF
from one of my documents, it still annoys me that I have to open the PDF
output in Acrobat and set properties that I *should* be able to feed
into it from FrameMaker. Better integration of FrameMaker and Acrobat
and/or far more control of the PDF generation from FrameMaker would be a
real blessing! Since I do relatively frequent PDF generation (it is for
specifications that tend to change relatively often, and I send out
review copies in PDF format), this just adds delays and occasional
"oops, forgot to set the property" moments!
[/rant]


So ... the real QUESTION: when do you/Adobe expect the Adobe FrameMaker
software developers to learn how to use the Acrobat SDK, libraries,
etc., and "do it right"? Please feel free to pass the question on to
whoever is in charge of FrameMaker development!

Z
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RE: Numbering question

[Syed.Hosain]

ROFL.

If any document needs *that* many independent counters, then it is
probably too complicated for the audience to follow the numbering
anyway! :)

I think that KISS should be applied. I know that I have paragraph
numbering up the wazoo in my tech specs, but 12 counters have been more
than sufficient for even my most complex docs!

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:22 AM
To: l_c_smal...@yahoo.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Numbering question


Lester Smalley wrote (in part):

> You can use more than just letters as the numbering series
identifiers; digits and punctuation symbols work also, although can
become extremely confusing.  
> 
> I have not tested it thoroughly, but I believe that any single
character may be used as an identifier preceding the colon, so you can
have the very cryptic number series <:


I did do some testing on this a few years back (on FM6), and found that
there are, in fact, a few reserved characters that you *cannot* use. As
I recall, the left angle bracket, the equals sign, the plus sign, and
the colon were among the reserved characters that cannot be used for
series labels. But even if you avoid most of the strange or confusing
punctuation marks and any character pairs that are easily mistaken
(e.g., l and 1, O and 0), you still can define more than 60 independent
numbering series, which should be enough for most uses.

-Fred Ridder
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RE: Mouse-scrolling solutions

[Syed.Hosain]

The Microsoft mouse drivers (built into the Intellipoint stuff) from
version 6.0 onwards - currently at version 6.3 - worked very well for me
for the scroll wheel support inside FrameMaker.

With FrameMaker 7.2 and 8.0. on Windows XP SP2, SP3 and I am now on
Windows Vista.

I was going to test FrameMaker 9 on Windows 7 beta next week - will
check mouse scrolling there.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:38 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Mouse-scrolling solutions


Hi, all. I've been googling ways to get my mouse to scroll, and I see 
several. I don't want to screw up my system, so I thought I'd ask, which

solution did you use that was easy and successful? I'm using Framemaker 
7.1b023 on Windows XP SP3.

Thankee.
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RE: PDF to Word Conversion

[Syed.Hosain]

As you noted, the built-in support in Adobe Acrobat has, to write the
PDF in Word format, is pretty darn limited for any serious documents.

I have used PDF Convertor Professional (from www.nuance.com) to read PDF
files into Word with much better results. However, the results STILL
require a LOT of editing to get it to look close to the original.

You are better off (wasting the time perhaps) convincing the client that
they are making a serious mistake. However, if they are willing to pay
you for all this fixup work, then it is their decision, I suppose.

Z

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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:28 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF to Word Conversion

Good morning, 
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Charlene
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RE: OT :: Frame & Voice to Text software

[Syed.Hosain]

> I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural Keyboard and a Logitech
trackball as alternative controllers. I've used both for a long time and
love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
to them.

I also *highly* recommend the Microsoft Natural keyboard. I have the
classic fore-arm repetitive motion induced pain problems, and this is
the *only* keyboard that I can use for hours and still be okay with
driving home that evening and being able to grip and turn the steering
wheel!

Z
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RE: Frame reference book

[Syed.Hosain]

> I am fairly new to Frame. I'm looking for a good book that will help
me sharpen my Frame skills and also be a good reference guide. I have
Frame 7.1. Any suggestions?

I recommend "Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 8", by
Sarah S. O'Keefe and Sheila A. Loring.

You can get the printed book and the PDF, from www.scriptorium.com. This
is an excellent book, even if you are using FrameMaker 7 and not version
8. Their previous book on 7 called "Publishing Fundamentals: FrameMaker
7" is available too, but might as well get this new one instead, IMHO.

My only strong disappoint is that they decided not to publish the
planned (and announced) companion book on Structured FrameMaker! I hope
this decision gets reversed in the future.

Z
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RE: markups

[Syed.Hosain]

> I have an OT questions -- when you mark up someone's document, or when
> they mark up your document, how do you determine between "must change"
> markups and "strongly recommend" markups?

We require the reviewers to be clear in what they want! :)

Separate, but related, all our technical documentation and specs contain
the following paragraph near the beginning:

Key Words

The key words "must", "must not", "required", "shall", "shall
not", "should", "should not", "recommended", "may", and "optional" in
this document are to be interpreted as described in 'Aeris Key Words to
Indicate Requirement Levels'.

And the "Aeris..." document above - as well as these words used in the
specs - is heavily based on RFC 2119 (available here:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt?number=2119). I.e., we follow the
RFC guidelines cleanly.

Then, people doing the document reviews internally here - before release
- have learned to mark their comments accordingly. The use of the word
"must" and "should" are particularly important - people often use
"should" when they mean "must"!

Marketing docs and collateral do not contain the words mentioned above,
of course, but our reviewers know to mark them the same way. :)

Z
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RE: PDF Documentation

[Syed.Hosain]

Both the Agilent examples are good demonstrations of how to do a
screen-readable PDF. Very nice!

The funniest part of this, though, is that I have the original printed
version (of the AN-91-1 document only, not the second one) before the
concept of PDF formats even existed! :) It was *totally* different in
the look, of course!

Now, I just have to dig it out ... it is hiding somewhere in my garage.
If I get a chance, I will scan it in and put it up somewhere for people
to look as well.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:59 AM
To: kmcdan...@pavtech.com; fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF Documentation

Kelly,

You wrote:

>Quick Survey:
>
>Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
>computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...

Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
-- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly" (typography, layout)
-- on-screen added value offered in the PDF, including effective 
cross-document search and navigation, multimedia, user input mechanisms

Some nice examples of screen-optimized design are:
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactiv
e/an-95-1/an-95-1.pdf
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactiv
e/an-150-1/hp-am-fm.pdf
(produced 12 years ago, with Acrobat 2!)
[ or see current PDFs at http://ChangeThis.com/archives  ]

On the other hand, 
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/MIF_Reference.pdf is clearly

print-oriented (even though labelled "Online Manual").


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers

30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants: 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html







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RE: Screen Capture

[Syed.Hosain]

Brian Lamborn wrote:
> I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of
our configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture
software works best? 

I just use the built-in Windows capabilities (works well for me) ...
some others here like Snag-It.

Z
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RE: Adobe announces FM9 and Tech Comm Suite 2

[Syed.Hosain]

Acrobat 9 Pro Extended is indeed available a separate product.

Note: I don't know whether it has the PDF workflow capability in it or
not, or how well it integrates with FrameMaker 9 - when purchased
without TCS 2.0 that is.

Z

Clint Owen wrote:

> Does anyone know if the PDF review feature will be available in 
> FM 9 by itself, if you don't buy the whole TC Suite? We use FM, 
> but not the other components of the suite. This feature alone is 
> probably worth the upgrade from FM 7 to 9, but I doubt that the 
> company would want to pay for the other applications that we won't
use.

Fred Ridder wrote:
> I notice that TCS 2.0 includes a version of Acrobat called Acrobat 9.0
> Pro Extended, and I suspect that this is the "special sauce" that
makes
> the new PDF workflow work. So I suspect that the real question is 
> whether that version of Acrobat will be available as a standalone 
> product, as well as whether it hooks into the standalone version of 
> FrameMaker 9.0. 
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RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

[Syed.Hosain]

Fred Ridder said:

Ø  The 32-bit versions of Vista can only address 3 GB of memory, so more than 
that amount doesn't improve performance unless you're running the 64-bit 
(Ultimate) version of Vista.

 

Yup! But you don't have to go all the way to Ultimate 64. Just as an FYI, there 
is a Vista Business 64 available as well - a tiny bit cheaper, and still 
supports 4GB (and more) memory.

 

One of the reasons I asked about 64 bit operation a few weeks/months ago on 
this list. J Unfortunately, due to some other driver reasons, I could not 
install that (I had both 32 and 64 bit Vista Business upgrade disks available). 
But I will see if I can do that in the near future since I will be changing my 
laptop for a faster version in a few months - it is acting a bit flaky and 
locking up on me occasionally.

 

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RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Rick.

In the recent past, after I upgraded to Vista, I examined the actual
physical (i.e., not paged to disk) memory being used while I have had
some large FM documents open, and that was not an issue, as far as I
could tell.

However, I was thinking of bumping the memory up anyway, so I will try
that as an option and also see if it has any effect on the issue
described below - the local Fry's Electronics is having a sale on
notebook memory: 4GB for $35 plus tax right now. Not bad at all!

Z

-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexp...@truevine.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:36 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net);
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

Hi Syed,

2GB of memory is not much for Vista. I would suggest at least 3GB.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> Hmmm ... I would suggest doing some testing to see if you see what I
> just saw ... I decided to try to duplicate what I was reading here. I
> have a fast Windows laptop and tested moving around a document with
the
> arrow keys with, and without, the designer boxes open.
> 
> Running FrameMaker 8, latest patch, on (recently loaded) Vista 32bit
on
> a Dell Latitude 820 laptop, with a 2.16GHz Core Duo proc, 2GB of
memory,
> fast 7200rpm drive.
> 
> My results *definitely* confirmed that the cursor movement with the
> arrows is MUCH faster with the designer boxes not visible. Since I
have
> a fast computer, I had only seen a bit of sluggishness in the past (I
> keep the Paragraph, Character and Table designer boxes open), but did
> not bother to track it down. However, the difference is sufficiently
> dramatic that I now plan to work with the designer dialog boxes
closed!
> Not my preferred mode, fwiw, so I hope Adobe improves this issue.
> 
> I attribute this sluggishness to the continuous "check and show the
> paragraph and character information" in the designer dialog boxes
while
> the cursor is being moved around with the arrow keys - something needs
> to be speeded up here for sure!
> 
> Thanks for this thread, folks!
> 
> Z

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RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

[Syed.Hosain]

Richard Combs wrote:
> Your explanation makes sense, and suggests that the degree of slowdown
will depend on how many different pgf and char tags the cursor moves
through. There's a lot of information displayed in the Designer dialogs,
and if it changes every few characters or lines... 

I *think* (not sure though) that FM seems to check *every* time the
arrow key is pressed, regardless of whether there is an actual char tag
that it moves through. So, it slows down even when simply moving along
the same paragraph for example.

> But what I don't understand is why so many Framers are saying they
work with some or all of the Designer dialogs open. Why? Are you all
creating new formats on the fly, continually as you write??

Not really. It is mostly for convenience in my case. Which is why I am
going to try to run without them for a while! :)

Z
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RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

[Syed.Hosain]

This pretty much sums up what I saw with some testing too, but I did not
go to the level of detail that you have done here!

I think that the constant "refresh" of information inside the Para and
Char Designer boxes is what causes the slowdown.

Thanks for the detailed information, Mike!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:52 AM
To: Avraham Makeler; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

I have the same slow cursor speed with FrameMaker 8.0p277 on Windows XP
Pro and on Vista.

1. If the Paragraph Designer is the only palette open, it takes 8
seconds to scroll across a 50-character column using the right-arrow
key.

2. If the Character Designer is the only palette open, it takes 4
seconds to scroll.

3. If any of the other palettes are open alone, it takes only 2-seconds
to scroll, which is about what I expect.

Opening palettes in combination slows the scroll rate further. There are
six palettes that I like to have open: the Paragraph Designer, Character
Designer, and Table Designer, and  the Paragraph Catalog, Character
Catalog, and Tool palette. I've discovered that two of these are causing
the issue. Here are some notes:

1. If all six palettes are open, it takes about 13 seconds to scroll
across a 50-character column by holding down the right arrow key. Yikes!
Too slow!

2. If I then close the Paragraph Designer, it only takes about 5 seconds
to scroll across the column.

3. If I also close the Character Designer, it drops to around 2 seconds.
That's about as it should be.

4. Closing any or all of the remaining palettes also results in a
2-second normal scroll rate.

So the slowness problem appears to be linked to having  the Paragraph
Designer and Character Designer palettes. Hopefully, this issue will be
fixed with FrameMaker 9. Yes, I'm an optimist. :)

Mike Wickham


- Original Message - 
From: "Avraham Makeler" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC


I have demo-ed to myself that it is the Para Designer dial box that
clobbers
my editing speed. It's repeatable on my machine.
Every computer architecture is different. So I just found a weak spot in
my
arch. as compared to some other machine.



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RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC

[Syed.Hosain]

> I often have lots of dialog boxes open (e.g. paragraph/character
designer, marker window), and I do not notice anything special.
Specifically jumping around with the
insertion mark or selecting text is fast.

> I have FM 8.0p277, 1 GB RAM, Windows 2000 Professional.

> Therefore I do not think that dialog boxes in general cause problems.

Hmmm ... I would suggest doing some testing to see if you see what I
just saw ... I decided to try to duplicate what I was reading here. I
have a fast Windows laptop and tested moving around a document with the
arrow keys with, and without, the designer boxes open.

Running FrameMaker 8, latest patch, on (recently loaded) Vista 32bit on
a Dell Latitude 820 laptop, with a 2.16GHz Core Duo proc, 2GB of memory,
fast 7200rpm drive.

My results *definitely* confirmed that the cursor movement with the
arrows is MUCH faster with the designer boxes not visible. Since I have
a fast computer, I had only seen a bit of sluggishness in the past (I
keep the Paragraph, Character and Table designer boxes open), but did
not bother to track it down. However, the difference is sufficiently
dramatic that I now plan to work with the designer dialog boxes closed!
Not my preferred mode, fwiw, so I hope Adobe improves this issue.

I attribute this sluggishness to the continuous "check and show the
paragraph and character information" in the designer dialog boxes while
the cursor is being moved around with the arrow keys - something needs
to be speeded up here for sure!

Thanks for this thread, folks!

Z
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RE: TOOL: Very inexpensive alternative to Illustrator etc.

[Syed.Hosain]

I agree completely! Last December, I bought their suite of three tools
(Xara Extreme 4, Webstyle 4, and Xara 3D 6) for $119 as I recall
(special for the holidays) and it was money well spent, IMHO. I liked it
to the point where I decided not expense it to my company and just
license it myself (so I can keep it eventually!)

I think the combined software is still available from less than the
total of all three. However, for me, the Webstyle product is not one I
would continue to use, but the others are very useful indeed.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:07 AM
To: Lone Writers; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: TOOL: Very inexpensive alternative to Illustrator etc.

If you have a requirement to create illustrations but don't want to 
shell out megabucks for the big name programs, take a look at

http://site.xara.com/offers/xaraxtreme/

I've been using Xara for several years, and find it to be a fantastic 
value (even having paid full price).  The offer above is for the 
previous version, for only $19, available till the end of the month. 
You won't believe what this product can do.

(No commercial interest in the company, just a very satisfied user.)

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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RE: How do you create a new paragraph after a table?

[Syed.Hosain]

Sharon Burton wrote:
> Inserting page breaks for copy-fitting while you are crating content
results
> in a large amount of rework in the future, as added content will move
page
> breaks around and must manually be managed.

Very, very true!

I am an old school writer and was taught to get the content down *first*
... before spending any time on the look and feel and format!

In this day and age of WYSIWYG editing programs, we have forgotten this
concept. So, writing a document takes much longer ... as we *constantly*
adjust the formatting while entering the content.

Z
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RE: Greater Than Or Equal To symbol in Frame 8 on XP pro

[Syed.Hosain]

Another possibility. I have been thinking of buying this font (link
below) rather than use "Symbol", but have held off since I would not
have a major need for most of this stuff yet.

But they do *seem* to look reasonable ... anyone want to spring for it
and let us know how good this font is (at various sizes and inside PDF
files)? :)

http://www.buyfonts.com/symbols_ps/mpl_cs.htm

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:26 PM
To: blamb...@comcast.net; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Greater Than Or Equal To symbol in Frame 8 on XP pro


Brian Lamborn asked:> I have been searching for how to insert a greater
than or equal 
> to symbol (a less than or equal to symbol would be useful, too) 
> into my document. I am using Arial font, if that help.
> 
> According to the User Guide that came with the application, I 
> should be able to do this by pressing ctrl+q, 3. It doesn't work. 
> I have also searched the character sets pdf that is loaded with 
> the application. I have searched Google. I can't seem to get it 
> to work.
The less-or-equal and greater-or-equal symbols only exist in the
Unicode version of Arial (at code points 2264 and 2265), and there 
are a bunch of niggling details (and maybe a few not so niggling ones) 
regarding Unicode that don't yet work properly in FrameMaker 8.0, 
which is the first version that supports Unicode at all.
 
The most reliable approach to incorporating these symbols is the
old-fashioned way, by using the appropriate characters in the 
Symbol font, which occupy code points in the base range. The
easiest approach is to use the Windows shortcut for special 
characters: hold down the Alt key and then type the 4-digit 
character code on the numeric keypad. For the less-or-equal 
symbol the character code is 0163, and for greater-or-equal
the character code is 0179. And of course you have to format 
the character as Symbol rather than Arial (which will produce a 
pound Sterling symbol or a superscript 3 at the specified code 
points).
 
-Fred Ridder   
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RE: Easiest way to rename all linked graphics without having torescale?

[Syed.Hosain]

Years ago, I wrote a little DOS command utility that changes one string to 
another on a large set of files, without having to open each one in an editor.

It is a very limited program (in that you have to be careful to NOT have an 
overlap in the "from" and "to" strings" and you have to be certain that you 
want all the changes everywhere!), but I have used it for this exact purpose on 
a number of occasions (not just on MIF files). If anyone wants a copy, please 
let me know off the list.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:00 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
Subject: RE: Easiest way to rename all linked graphics without having torescale?

Verner,
Probably the best way is through MIF.
 
You could use a program like TextPad, shareware from www.textpad.com (or $35US 
if you like it), and open all of your MIF files at one time, versus opening and 
closing each MIF in something like Notepad.

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Andersen, Verner Engell VEA  
wrote:

From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA 
Subject: RE: Easiest way to rename all linked graphics without having to 
rescale?
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:43 AM

Hi
We have to rename all linked graphics.
 
My plan is to
 
1. generate a list of linked graphics for each chapter
2. convert the list to a table with two column and writh the new
graphics name in the right column
3. rename all graphics
4. Close and open FM and for each graphics point to the new file name.
 
I have to do this for 250 .pngs.
 
I was thinking about editing in .mif files or scripts but I think this
is the easiest solution.
 
Do you have an easier solution?
 
Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
Verner Andersen
Technical Writer

Radiometer Medical ApS
Phone +45 3827 3612
Fax +45 3827 2727
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RE: the values of Variables: only per document and not per book?

[Syed.Hosain]

Foor book-level variables control, I *strongly* recommend the BookVars
plugin by Leximation! I use this all the time for my documents - it is
the best add-on I have for FrameMaker.

Please see www.leximation.com for the details.

Z

-Original Message-
Hi all,

I am new to this group, and pretty new to FrameMaker (but I was a Word
2003
guru, so that helps a bit...).

My question is ... I am taking over somebody else's document, who is no
longer around. Amongst other things, I also have to update the document
date
and version number. I found the list of variable definitions that
controls
this values (in Word you also have variables, but also you have fields
...
whatever), and so in Master pages mode for the title page, I updated
those
variables' values. When I returned to Body pages for the title page, I
saw
indeed that the values have been correctly updated. However, when I look
at
the headers/footers of other chapters (documents), I see that the old
values
are still there. For sure, I can then do the same thing in each chapter,
but
is not the variables scope supposed to be global, i.e., thoughout the
book?

Tia

- avi
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RE: FM 8 upgrade woes: some solutions

[Syed.Hosain]

Sorry to hear about the problems you have had, but ... I guess everyone
has their own particular experiences that will differ.

On both my older XP system, and now my rebuilt Vista system, FM 8
crashes FAR less frequently than FM 7 (any of the 7.0, 7.1 or 7.2
versions).

I find it to be much more stable and consistent and am glad I upgraded.

-Original Message-

For my work, for now, I'm sticking with FM 7, which also has its 
problems, but is running on my XP machine and crashes MUCH less
frequently.

-- Emily
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RE: OT: correct symbol to use

[Syed.Hosain]

> I have gone with "1(a)...(c)" for now, but you are right, "1(a) to
1(c)" is more correct.

> I do like that idea though Stuart, how about 1(a...c)?

> Cheers
> Alan

Ummm ... I think the "1(a) to 1(c)" is best. The "1(a...c)" is a bit too
unusual looking and *could* lead to confusion. The "1(a)...(c)" is not
bad, but the missing '1' before the 'c' makes it a *bit* less appealing.

BTW, *sometimes*, I have gotten carried away and used, in similar
situations, constructs like "1(a) through 1(c)" or even "1(a) through to
1(c)", but these are both overkill ... particularly when the 'c' is not
too "far away" from 'a', if you know what I mean! :)

Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

[Syed.Hosain]

> > Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
> > systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with
it? I
> > don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I
did, I
> > could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from
within
> > FM 8.

> Not always true.  While FM8 does offer FM7 (and FM7 MIF) as SaveAs
> choices, there are a few spots where the FM8 UTF-8 encoding still
> appears in the FM7 file.  Numbering strings, for example, when you
> use a \b bullet in the string.  As a result, in Mif2Go, we check
> FM7 files as well as FM8 files for UTF-8, and handle it correctly
> wherever it appears.  But FM7 itself doesn't like UTF-8 at all...  ;-)

> So we'd be wary of using FM8 in a mixed environment for files that 
> will be worked on later by folks who have only FM7.  If you do use
> it, test *very* thoroughly, and look in odd corners like variable
> definitions, xref formats, and those numbering strings.  You may
> be fine, but it's best to find out early if you're not.

Okay ... good points! I guess the fact that I do not need to give/share
files to other folks makes the difference for me.

Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

[Syed.Hosain]

> I'm an Adobe trainer, so I need both versions depending on which
version my client has. I also have InDesign CS2, CS3, and CS4 on my
computer too. (The government is usually the last to upgrade...)

Ah! Got it ...

> > I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you
did
> > an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
> > installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> I meant that rebooting into Boot Camp and then using Parallels no
longer used up two activations. I don't know if it was a Frame upgrade
(8 to 8.01 for example) or a Parallels (3 to 3.188 for example) that
stopped the dual activation--but I can switch between them now without
issue.

Okay ... thanks!

Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

[Syed.Hosain]

> > Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it?

> Maybe. But.

> - If FM 7.2 does everything you need, there might not be a reason to
update.

> - Not everybody can get the money for updates. While it might be
relatively cheap to buy a single license, the cost grows quickly when
you need to update entire departments.

Ah! I think I was not clear. I meant, that if a person has already
upgraded to FM8.0 on their system, then I don't get the reason for that
*same* person to keep FM7.2 on their system as well! I.e., why keep
*both* versions on that particular persons system?

Separately, your point about not *needing* to upgrade from 7.2 to 8 is,
of course, well-taken!

Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

[Syed.Hosain]

> I use both FM 7.2 and 8 on the same Vista 32-bit system without
problems.
> I just open the version I want to use first.

Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
FM 8.

> If you used up both of your activations, you will have a problem. I
had a
> problem starting FM8 under Boot Camp (booting natively into Windows)
and
> then opening the Boot Camp partition via Parallels in that FM8
activated
> both times on my portable. That gave me problems installing it on my
tower
> with a similar Boot Camp/Parallels configuration. A quick call to
Adobe
> reset the activation. I think as long as you are not calling every
week,
> they generally trust the user.

That is what happened to me effectively. I used their licensing approach
to put one copy on my laptop and another on my home PC - where I
occasionally do work on the files (no one else uses either system). This
became a problem when my laptop hard drive became flaky.

> By the way, either a FM update or a Parallels update removed the
problem
> from happening again.

I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you did
an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> A quick call to Adobe reset the activation. I think as long as you are
not
> calling every week, they generally trust the user.

True. I have been buying FM from them (well, actually Frame Technology
first) since version 3 (on a Sun UNIX platform) way back when,
beta-tested the first Windows release, and have all the license keys
handy to provide if I ever needed to! :)

Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

[Syed.Hosain]

I do not know about FM 7.2 and Vista - so maybe Dov can comment on that.

 

But, at least, I can now confirm that FrameMaker 8 runs fine on Vista 32
bit. J The look and feel of the windows and pop-ups is a bit different,
but that has to do with Vista being different from XP ... not
FrameMaker.

 

Z

 

 

From: Susan Modlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:14 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); Dov Isaacs;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

 

Just out of curiosity, does Frame 7.2 run on either Vista 32 or or
64-bit? I need a new PC, and will probably have to go to Vista, but my
current version of Frame (7.2) does exactly what I need and I'd rather
not upgrade to 8 if I don't have to. 

...Susan

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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

[Syed.Hosain]

Hi, Dov, et. al.

> (1) FrameMaker 8 works fine on both Vista 32-bit and Vista 64-bit
assuming that if you are running Acrobat, you are using at least Acrobat
8.1.

Thanks for the info! I use Acrobat Pro 9, so that should be okay. But, I
do have to re-install Acrobat next. And, deal with the activation
problem there ... :(

By the way, I loaded FrameMaker 8 and told it not to load its built-in
PDF support ... under the assumption that the subsequent load of Acrobat
Pro 9 would be all that I need to do. Was this the right decision? I
hope to find this out before I call Adobe for the Acrobat activation
issues ...

Also, I ended up *not* loading Vista 64-bit for other reasons yesterday,
but I am glad to know that it would have been fine to do so if I had!
FWIW, I doubt that there would have been any performance improvement
with 64 bit Vista on the typical 100 to 300 page books I working on for,
so I decide not to hassle with it for now.

> (2) You should ALWAYS cleanly uninstall Adobe applications.
Actually you should first "deactivate" them and then uninstall them.
Failure to do that will probably cause major issues in terms of
activating them again on your "rebuilt" system.

Understood! I kinda did not have a choice in this matter. The OS was
locking up in reboots, and would not really allow me to bring up
FrameMaker and Acrobat and deactivate them cleanly. Although I did have
one opportunity to do so on Sunday when the system stayed up for a while
... but, I was hoping that the system was okay and did not need a
rebuild.

The joys of "activation", I guess! :(

> By the way, if you in fact "rebuilt" your laptop, hopefully you didn't
try to do an "in place" upgrade from XP to Vista. That is an absolute
disaster.

Luckily, nope. I did a clean install of Vista into a new disk, so there
was no OS loaded there from before.

> You will likely need to contact Adobe to be able to reactivate your
applications after you install them due to the failure to deactivate and
uninstall them previously.

That ended up being what I had to do to cure the problem ... John Posada
stated the same thing. The Adobe "Live Chat" person was not able to help
me, because FrameMaker somehow got messed up enough that it would not
start up. I had to reboot, deinstall, delete the installation directory
and do a clean install from the CD. Then, I was able to get to a screen
where a live phone call to the activation people got me going again.

Sigh ...

Thanks everybody who responded!

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:00 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...
>
> Hi, all.
>
> My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive
onto the system. In this
> process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than Windows
XP.
>
> I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some
questions (one a bit belated).
>
> 1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit).
Is this accurate? (A bit belated
> of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more time and end up
re-installing XP, I thought I
> would ask here ... hoping to get a quick response).
>
> 2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for
FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for
> obvious reasons. So will re-installing them on my new drive cause any
headaches with registering these
> at Adobe? Since the OS has changed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

[Syed.Hosain]

Okay ... I am now in "Live Chat" with someone who says they can help. 
 
Z



From: John Posada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 12/10/2008 9:17 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Why don't you just contact Adobe. Think maybe they've seen this
situation before?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it 
> anyway and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my 
> activating this replacement drive (on the same system).


--
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

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