Resolved: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Stuart, I think this might be our solution! I played around with it a few weeks ago, but had to run it past the group just this week, so that's why I haven't replied back to you until just now. Thanks so much for sending me the suggestion! Theresa -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:59 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky Subject: Re: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 Theresa Zamborsky wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > Yes, the second table will move to the next page when there isn't enough > room on the bottom of the page for its first two rows. We want to keep > the two tables together in all instances (the first table with at least > the first two lines of the second table). So if there's not enough room > on the page for the first table AND the first two lines of the second > table, we want them both to go to the next page together. > Theresa, Try putting a soft return (Shift+Enter) between the two table anchors, and set the second table to two orphan rows. You may have to play around with the font size of the blank anchoring pgf, or use the negative Space Above/Space Below trick to get the white space right. But if your script can handle the soft return, I think this will work. See attached file. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Resolved: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Stuart, I think this might be our solution! I played around with it a few weeks ago, but had to run it past the group just this week, so that's why I haven't replied back to you until just now. Thanks so much for sending me the suggestion! Theresa -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:59 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky Subject: Re: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 Theresa Zamborsky wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > Yes, the second table will move to the next page when there isn't enough > room on the bottom of the page for its first two rows. We want to keep > the two tables together in all instances (the first table with at least > the first two lines of the second table). So if there's not enough room > on the page for the first table AND the first two lines of the second > table, we want them both to go to the next page together. > Theresa, Try putting a soft return (Shift+Enter) between the two table anchors, and set the second table to two orphan rows. You may have to play around with the font size of the blank anchoring pgf, or use the negative Space Above/Space Below trick to get the white space right. But if your script can handle the soft return, I think this will work. See attached file. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com
RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Stuart, Yes, the second table will move to the next page when there isn't enough room on the bottom of the page for its first two rows. We want to keep the two tables together in all instances (the first table with at least the first two lines of the second table). So if there's not enough room on the page for the first table AND the first two lines of the second table, we want them both to go to the next page together. Thanks, Theresa -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:18 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 > On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: > > | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use > | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables > | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the > | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts > | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same > | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables > | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. > | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. > | >Theresa Zamborsky wrote: > Hi Lester, > > Thanks for your email response and to the other email response I got > with similar suggestions. These are all good suggestions about > controlling where or how much a single table will break across pages. > > My issue is that the second table sometimes breaks away from the first > table, depending on the pagination of each page. I want at least the > first two lines of the second table to stay together with the first > table in all instances. The two tables are both anchored to the same > blank paragraph line. > Theresa, Are you saying that the 2nd table sometimes moves to the next page even when there is room for its first two rows below the first table? Or is it the case that the 2nd table only moves when there is *not* enough room for its first two rows? If the latter, I can't see a solution -- you can't put 6 gallons in a 5-gallon tank. If the former, have you been able to determine what is causing the maverick pagination? > We thought of putting the first table into an anchored frame inside the > top (straddled) row of the second table to keep both together in one > table. But because of the amount of conditional text that we use, this > isn't an option either. The anchored frame will not shrink or expand > automatically to accommodate the various conditional text versions, and > the documents are too long for us to adjust the anchored frames > manually. > Since you're already using Framescript, could you write a script that would resize the frames for this scenario? Best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Stuart, Yes, the second table will move to the next page when there isn't enough room on the bottom of the page for its first two rows. We want to keep the two tables together in all instances (the first table with at least the first two lines of the second table). So if there's not enough room on the page for the first table AND the first two lines of the second table, we want them both to go to the next page together. Thanks, Theresa -Original Message- From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:18 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 > On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: > > | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use > | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables > | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the > | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts > | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same > | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables > | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. > | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. > | >Theresa Zamborsky wrote: > Hi Lester, > > Thanks for your email response and to the other email response I got > with similar suggestions. These are all good suggestions about > controlling where or how much a single table will break across pages. > > My issue is that the second table sometimes breaks away from the first > table, depending on the pagination of each page. I want at least the > first two lines of the second table to stay together with the first > table in all instances. The two tables are both anchored to the same > blank paragraph line. > Theresa, Are you saying that the 2nd table sometimes moves to the next page even when there is room for its first two rows below the first table? Or is it the case that the 2nd table only moves when there is *not* enough room for its first two rows? If the latter, I can't see a solution -- you can't put 6 gallons in a 5-gallon tank. If the former, have you been able to determine what is causing the maverick pagination? > We thought of putting the first table into an anchored frame inside the > top (straddled) row of the second table to keep both together in one > table. But because of the amount of conditional text that we use, this > isn't an option either. The anchored frame will not shrink or expand > automatically to accommodate the various conditional text versions, and > the documents are too long for us to adjust the anchored frames > manually. > Since you're already using Framescript, could you write a script that would resize the frames for this scenario? Best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com If it makes things work more easily, why isn't it called lubrican?
RE: Framers Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3
Thanks for the suggestion, Ann. We thought of this too. Because of the complexity of the information and the number of columns in the first table (as many as 33), I couldn't make this method work either. Theresa -Original Message- From: Ann Balaban [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:21 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky Subject: FW: Framers Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3 I would probably end up making one table and just formatting the sections differently using straddles and splits. I'll be interested in seeing what kind of response you get. Regards, annb --- The T System 469-791-2454 -Original Message- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:49:15 -0800 From: "Theresa Zamborsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Lester, Thanks for your email response and to the other email response I got with similar suggestions. These are all good suggestions about controlling where or how much a single table will break across pages. My issue is that the second table sometimes breaks away from the first table, depending on the pagination of each page. I want at least the first two lines of the second table to stay together with the first table in all instances. The two tables are both anchored to the same blank paragraph line. We thought of putting the first table into an anchored frame inside the top (straddled) row of the second table to keep both together in one table. But because of the amount of conditional text that we use, this isn't an option either. The anchored frame will not shrink or expand automatically to accommodate the various conditional text versions, and the documents are too long for us to adjust the anchored frames manually. Thanks, Theresa -Original Message- From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:22 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 Theresa - Is it acceptable to have the tables themselves break over page/column boundaries? You should check the Orphan Row setting (in the Basic tab of the table designer) and change the value to a smaller figure, even down to its minimum setting of 1. Note that this is explicitly only orphan rows - there is no "widow row" option, so you could get an initial single row and then the balance of the table on the next page. There is also the possibility that the rows have a custom minimum height or Keep with Next/Previous settings (both controlled via Table > Row Format) that affect how a table breaks if necessary. You might also reduce the cell margins of the table design, and also of the paragraphs used in the cells (under the Table Cell tab of the paragraph designer) to reduce the vertical space needed for the contents of a row. The table's Space Above/Space Below properties may also affect pagination. Finally, does the anchoring paragraph have its Keep with Next, or the next paragraph the Keep with Previous, setting enabled? On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. | | Any suggestions would be appreciated. | | | Thanks, | | Theresa I hope this helps. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Framers Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3
Thanks for the suggestion, Ann. We thought of this too. Because of the complexity of the information and the number of columns in the first table (as many as 33), I couldn't make this method work either. Theresa -Original Message- From: Ann Balaban [mailto:abala...@tsystem.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:21 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky Subject: FW: Framers Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3 I would probably end up making one table and just formatting the sections differently using straddles and splits. I'll be interested in seeing what kind of response you get. Regards, annb --- The T System 469-791-2454 -Original Message- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:49:15 -0800 From: "Theresa Zamborsky" Subject: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 To: Message-ID: <5617383E5665B048B109AB2C9294AE090106063D at sc-exch03.marvell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Theresa
Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi Lester, Thanks for your email response and to the other email response I got with similar suggestions. These are all good suggestions about controlling where or how much a single table will break across pages. My issue is that the second table sometimes breaks away from the first table, depending on the pagination of each page. I want at least the first two lines of the second table to stay together with the first table in all instances. The two tables are both anchored to the same blank paragraph line. We thought of putting the first table into an anchored frame inside the top (straddled) row of the second table to keep both together in one table. But because of the amount of conditional text that we use, this isn't an option either. The anchored frame will not shrink or expand automatically to accommodate the various conditional text versions, and the documents are too long for us to adjust the anchored frames manually. Thanks, Theresa -Original Message- From: Lester C. Smalley [mailto:lsmal...@infocon.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:22 AM To: Theresa Zamborsky; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0 Theresa - Is it acceptable to have the tables themselves break over page/column boundaries? You should check the Orphan Row setting (in the Basic tab of the table designer) and change the value to a smaller figure, even down to its minimum setting of 1. Note that this is explicitly only orphan rows - there is no "widow row" option, so you could get an initial single row and then the balance of the table on the next page. There is also the possibility that the rows have a custom minimum height or Keep with Next/Previous settings (both controlled via Table > Row Format) that affect how a table breaks if necessary. You might also reduce the cell margins of the table design, and also of the paragraphs used in the cells (under the Table Cell tab of the paragraph designer) to reduce the vertical space needed for the contents of a row. The table's Space Above/Space Below properties may also affect pagination. Finally, does the anchoring paragraph have its Keep with Next, or the next paragraph the Keep with Previous, setting enabled? On Wednesday, January 02, 2008 04:49 PM, Theresa Zamborsky wrote: | Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use | different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables | are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the | second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts | that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same | para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables | anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. | lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. | | Any suggestions would be appreciated. | | | Thanks, | | Theresa I hope this helps. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com ---
Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi, Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Theresa Theresa Zamborsky Data Storage Technical Communication Marvell Semiconductor ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Keeping Two Tables Together in Frame 6.0
Hi, Does anyone have suggestions of how to keep two tables (that use different table formats) together in Frame 6.0? These two tables are both anchored on the same blank para. line, but sometimes the second table paginates to the next page. Because of Frame scripts that we use, the two tables need to remain anchored on the same para. line for the time being. I already tried having the tables anchored to two separate para. lines and keeping those two para. lines together, but that breaks our Frame script. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Theresa Theresa Zamborsky Data Storage Technical Communication Marvell Semiconductor
