TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-10-04-05T14:35Z



Perhaps this is evidence that Dov Isaacs' cautions that having both Acrobat and 
Reader installed on one workstation can cause problems are true.  I never 
disbelieved his cautions, but I also didn't see evidence - until recently.



Here, my employer's standard is to allow both programs to be installed on one 
workstation.  For me, the evidence of conflict was that, after a corporate 
"push" of an update, a command in a pop-up menu in Acrobat disappeared.  The 
command had been there and I had used it before the update.



?My fix?  Because I have administrator privileges, I summarily removed Reader 
and repaired Acrobat.  All was well again.



As usual, YMMV.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: 2013-10-02-Wednesday 11:58
To: Robert Lauriston; framers
Subject: RE: TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver



Nonetheless, after a couple of days of attempting both FM and Acrobat updates 
with no change, changing the default application that opened the PDF is what 
finally resulting in getting a working PDF printer. It was a Acrobat update 
that finally did the trick, BTW, but since FM is linked to Distiller, it seems 
to me that should be part of its update function, but maybe not.

I'm just reporting what worked for me. Despite occasional problems like this 
I've never had to reinstall either application from scratch.

Another note: It was an update to Acrobat Reader 11 as a add-in to my browser 
through a security recommendation of my Norton security software that 
originally triggered the problem of losing the PDF printer.

Craig

> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 15:02:36 -0700
> Subject: Re: TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver
> From: robert at lauriston.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> If there is an FrameMaker update, installing it would probably repair
> the Save as PDF functionality, just as reinstalling would.
> 
> What application you have set to open PDFs is irrelevant.
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SOLVED: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-09-27-05T12:45Z

I began to wonder whether some programmatic file of FrameMaker had been 
corrupted.  Robert Lauriston suggested "refreshing" (my term) \?maker.ini.

So, I found a separately-saved version of my \?maker.ini and replaced the one 
that FrameMaker was using.

All is well again.

My hearty "?Thanks!" to all who responded and offered suggestions and help.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Stamm, David-P45904 
Sent: 2013-09-26-Thursday 11:20
To: FrameMaker user's list posting
Subject: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

2013-09-26-04T15:20Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system, 64-bit, 8?GB RAM

FrameMaker 11.0.2.384, interface:  Structured

working with unstructured .book and its "children"


Help, please.

Within the last two weeks for no reason that I can determine, the behavior of 
FrameMaker's interface has changed such that:

   1.  The title bar no longer appears.

   2.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" appears above the 
menu bar.

   3.  When I choose _anything_ in the .book window, the "Application bar" 
disappears.  This shifts everything up.

   4.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" reappears above 
the menu bar.  This shifts everything down.

Seeing this oh, say, a hundred times a day is _very_ frustrating and a _lot_ of 
"visual load" that I don't want.

I want the interface to:

   1.  Display the title bar.

   1.  Not display the "Application bar."

   2.  Display the icons from the "Application bar" on the menu bar and to the 
right of the menu names.

?I hope that one or more of you gurus will provide the solution soon!

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-09-26-04T18:15Z

Stuart -

Thanks for asking.  I failed to mention.  Yes, I have reset my workspace 
numerous times.  Several times, I even tried saving my workspace without the 
"Application" bar displayed.  All to no avail.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: 2013-09-26-Thursday 13:53
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

On 2013-Sep-26 11:20 AM, Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com wrote:
> 2013-09-26-04T15:20Z
>
> Windows 7 Enterprise operating system, 64-bit, 8 GB RAM
>
> FrameMaker 11.0.2.384, interface:  Structured
>
> working with unstructured .book and its "children"
>
>
> Help, please.
>
> Within the last two weeks for no reason that I can determine, the behavior of 
> FrameMaker's interface has changed such that:
>
> 1.  The title bar no longer appears.
>
> 2.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" appears above 
> the menu bar.
>
> 3.  When I choose _anything_ in the .book window, the "Application bar" 
> disappears.  This shifts everything up.
>
> 4.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" reappears above 
> the menu bar.  This shifts everything down.
>
> Seeing this oh, say, a hundred times a day is _very_ frustrating and a _lot_ 
> of "visual load" that I don't want.
>
> I want the interface to:
>
> 1.  Display the title bar.
>
> 1.  Not display the "Application bar."
>
> 2.  Display the icons from the "Application bar" on the menu bar and to 
> the right of the menu names.
>
> ?I hope that one or more of you gurus will provide the solution soon!
>
> ?Thanks!
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
>
> ___


Dave,

Have you tried resetting your workspace (from the pulldown to the left of the 
minimize/maximize/close buttons)?  I'm on unstructured FM10, so can't test.

You could also try these: 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/WSb630443cfa66631d2e50e6c512263fb7eb7-8000.html

HTH,


--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Missing title bar, disappearing Application bar

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-09-26-04T15:20Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system, 64-bit, 8?GB RAM

FrameMaker 11.0.2.384, interface:  Structured

working with unstructured .book and its "children"


Help, please.

Within the last two weeks for no reason that I can determine, the behavior of 
FrameMaker's interface has changed such that:

   1.  The title bar no longer appears.

   2.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" appears above the 
menu bar.

   3.  When I choose _anything_ in the .book window, the "Application bar" 
disappears.  This shifts everything up.

   4.  When I focus on a "child" file, the "Application bar" reappears above 
the menu bar.  This shifts everything down.

Seeing this oh, say, a hundred times a day is _very_ frustrating and a _lot_ of 
"visual load" that I don't want.

I want the interface to:

   1.  Display the title bar.

   1.  Not display the "Application bar."

   2.  Display the icons from the "Application bar" on the menu bar and to the 
right of the menu names.

?I hope that one or more of you gurus will provide the solution soon!

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

SOLVED: Hypertext links not working

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-08-27-02T12:20Z

Once again, Rick Quatro is credited with a "save."

The problem is that FrameMaker was resolving the hypertext links
incorrectly because I had had all the files in a .book and was printing
the .book.  The "fix" was to close the .book file, keep the files in
their respective places, encode the links as needed, and to save each
file individually.  Problem solved.

Rick did mention the use of the MicroType TimeSavers plugin for
FrameMaker, but I have not yet succeeded in convincing "the powers who
are" to let me get it. 

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

[f2a] RE: Hypertext links not working

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-08-26-01T16:00Z



Gail ?



Yes, I print the book all at once to only one watched folder.  I?m using File | 
Print Book? > Separate File for Each Docu.  The arrangement of the .fm files is 
the same as arrangement of the .pdf files is to be.



This is the first time in _years_ that I?ve needed to do this, so it?s mighty 
perplexing.  I, too, customarily print large books including tables of contents 
and indices and such.  Those files are in only one folder, and I use File > 
Single File.  Everything works great.



But not with the source and output files in different folders . . ..



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section

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From: Gail Bergan [mailto:gail.ber...@bergan.com] 
Sent: 2013-08-26-Monday 11:25
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Cc: ; ; 
Subject: Re: [f2a] RE: Hypertext links not working



Hi Dave,



Is your begin_here.pdf being written to the same watched folder? I use a 
similar setup when producing my larger books (a Start.pdf file that has a large 
TOC that links to the individual "chapter" files). But I must write ALL files 
at once, including Start, hyperlinked Index, and individual chapters, from the 
book file so that relative links are not broken. When I test them in the Out 
folder, everything works, and then I can move them en masse to wherever the 
final files will reside. If I try to write the Start file by itself, then the 
Index by itself, or the chapters, I find I have broken links.



I hope I understood your problem correctly and this helps.



Gail

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On Aug 26, 2013, at 6:50 AM,  wrote:



2013-08-26-01T12:50Z 



Tino ? 



Thanks for your time, interest, and effort. Unfortunately, I failed to 
include in my original posting that I must produce _separate_ .pdf files. So, I 
still have the problem. 



After I print the book to separate files, I check a link while all the 
files are in [WatchedFolder] \ out. The links work great. Unfortunately, after 
I move ?BEGIN_HERE.pdf? into its place and the other files into their place, 
the links don?t work. 



Please note that I?m posting this to the Frame-to-Acrobat list, too. 



Regards, 

Dave Stamm 

Information Engineer 



From: Heiko Haida [mailto:info at heiko-haida.de 
 ] 
Sent: 2013-08-23-Friday 11:31 
To: Stamm, David-P45904; Framers 
Subject: Re: Hypertext links not working 



Hi Dave, 

I just set up some files according to your description, with hyperlinks 
from each "target"-file to the others and back to the BEGIN_HERE.fm. 

Well, I could see no problems within the files or in the pdf... 

(My files are mainly local, but I also copied the folder to an external 
drive for the test.) 

Just to make sure: 

If "TargetA" is one example for a named hyperlink-destination in file 
"targetA.fm" (and so on...), and "BEGIN" is the named destination in the file 
"BEGIN_HERE.fm", the link options look like this: 

Link from BEGIN_HERE.fm to the other files: gotolink 
ABC_DEF/targetA.fm:TargetA (...and so forth for B, C, and D) 

Link from targetA.fm to targetB.fm: gotolink targetB.fm:TargetB 

Link from targetA.fm back to BEGIN_HERE.fm: gotolink 
..//BEGIN_HERE.fm:BEGIN 

I am enclosing my PDF, if you don't mind. 

Good luck... 

Tino H. Haida. Berlin 





Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com  : 

2013-08-22-04T20:00Z 

Windows 7 Enterprise Service Pack 1 
4 GB RAM 
64-bit operating system 
FrameMaker 11.0.2.384 
FrameMaker installed on workstation 
Folder and all files on a server on the local area network in 
accordance with corporate policy 

I am unable to consistently encode hypertext links among five files in 
one unstructured book. 

He

Hypertext links not working

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-08-26-01T12:50Z



Tino ?



Thanks for your time, interest, and effort.  Unfortunately, I failed to include 
in my original posting that I must produce _separate_ .pdf files.  So, I still 
have the problem.



After I print the book to separate files, I check a link while all the files 
are in [WatchedFolder] \ out.  The links work great.  Unfortunately, after I 
move ?BEGIN_HERE.pdf? into its place and the other files into their place, the 
links don?t work.



Please note that I?m posting this to the Frame-to-Acrobat list, too.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: Heiko Haida [mailto:i...@heiko-haida.de] 
Sent: 2013-08-23-Friday 11:31
To: Stamm, David-P45904; Framers
Subject: Re: Hypertext links not working



Hi Dave,

I just set up some files according to your description, with hyperlinks from 
each "target"-file to the others and back to the BEGIN_HERE.fm.

Well, I could see no problems within the files or in the pdf...

(My files are mainly local, but I also copied the folder to an external drive 
for the test.)

Just to make sure:

If "TargetA" is one example for a named hyperlink-destination in file 
"targetA.fm" (and so on...), and "BEGIN" is the named destination in the file 
"BEGIN_HERE.fm", the link options look like this:

Link from BEGIN_HERE.fm to the other files:gotolink 
ABC_DEF/targetA.fm:TargetA (...and so forth for B, C, and D)

Link from targetA.fm to targetB.fm:gotolink 
targetB.fm:TargetB

Link from targetA.fm back to BEGIN_HERE.fm: gotolink ..//BEGIN_HERE.fm:BEGIN

I am enclosing my PDF, if you don't mind.

Good luck...

Tino H. Haida. Berlin





Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com:

2013-08-22-04T20:00Z

Windows 7 Enterprise Service Pack 1
4 GB RAM
64-bit operating system
FrameMaker 11.0.2.384
FrameMaker installed on workstation
Folder and all files on a server on the local area network in 
accordance with corporate policy

I am unable to consistently encode hypertext links among five files in 
one unstructured book.

Here's how the files are arranged:

  NOTE:  The .book file and all the target files are "children" of 
folder \Abc_Def.  File BEGIN_HERE.fm is "sibling" of folder \Abc_Def and is to 
contain links to all four targets.

Folder \Abc_Def
  File dir_Abc_Def.book
  File targetA.fm
  File targetB.fm
  File targetC.fm
  File targetD.fm
File BEGIN_HERE.fm

I moved File BEGIN_HERE.fm out of folder \Abc_Def because a recipient 
of the informational product (portable document format files) wants it that 
way.  I am using a character tag to constrain both the newlinks and gotolinks 
to small amounts of text.  Before I moved file BEGIN_HERE.fm out of folder 
\Abc_Def, crossreferences among all files worked flawlessly.

My latest attempt has been to specify named destinations (for example, 
newlink dir_About.fm) and jumps to named destinations (for example, gotolink 
dir_About.fm).

In the source .fm files, these jumps work only a small part of the 
time.  In the deliverable .pdf files, they don't work at all.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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Hypertext links not working

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-08-23-05T11:40Z

Robert -

Thanks for the info.  I, too, haven't done this since years ago.  So
long ago, in fact that I've tracked down my materials from Shlomo
Perets' training back in 2002.

Yes, all the files are part of dir_Abc_Def.book.  The odd thing, for
myself, is that the "child" file, is outside the folder that contains
the rest of the book.

Nothing I've tried so far works, so I'm hoping that someone on the list
can help me find the "secret sauce" that I'm missing from the "recipe."

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 2013-08-22-Thursday 16:24
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Hypertext links not working

I haven't done that sort of thing in some years, but it used to be that
if you defined cross-references between .fm files in different
directories, all the files had to be open when you saved a book as PDF.

Also, the PDFs have to have the same relative directory relationship.
If you have ./foo/foo.book and ./bar/bar.book, links in foo.pdf will be
to ../bar/bar.pdf.

If BEGIN_HERE.pdf is generated from an .fm file instead of a .book, that
might be a problem.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 1:00 PM,   wrote:
> 2013-08-22-04T20:00Z
>
> Windows 7 Enterprise Service Pack 1
> 4 GB RAM
> 64-bit operating system
> FrameMaker 11.0.2.384
> FrameMaker installed on workstation
> Folder and all files on a server on the local area network in 
> accordance with corporate policy
>
> I am unable to consistently encode hypertext links among five files in
one unstructured book.
>
> Here's how the files are arranged:
>
> NOTE:  The .book file and all the target files are "children"
of folder \Abc_Def.  File BEGIN_HERE.fm is "sibling" of folder \Abc_Def
and is to contain links to all four targets.
>
> Folder \Abc_Def
> File dir_Abc_Def.book
> File targetA.fm
> File targetB.fm
> File targetC.fm
> File targetD.fm
> File BEGIN_HERE.fm
>
> I moved File BEGIN_HERE.fm out of folder \Abc_Def because a recipient
of the informational product (portable document format files) wants it
that way.  I am using a character tag to constrain both the newlinks and
gotolinks to small amounts of text.  Before I moved file BEGIN_HERE.fm
out of folder \Abc_Def, crossreferences among all files worked
flawlessly.
>
> My latest attempt has been to specify named destinations (for example,
newlink dir_About.fm) and jumps to named destinations (for example,
gotolink dir_About.fm).
>
> In the source .fm files, these jumps work only a small part of the
time.  In the deliverable .pdf files, they don't work at all.
>
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
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Hypertext links not working

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-08-22-04T20:00Z

Windows 7 Enterprise Service Pack 1
4?GB RAM
64-bit operating system
FrameMaker 11.0.2.384
FrameMaker installed on workstation
Folder and all files on a server on the local area network in accordance with 
corporate policy

I am unable to consistently encode hypertext links among five files in one 
unstructured book.

Here's how the files are arranged:

NOTE:  The .book file and all the target files are "children" of folder 
\Abc_Def.  File BEGIN_HERE.fm is "sibling" of folder \Abc_Def and is to contain 
links to all four targets.

Folder \Abc_Def
File dir_Abc_Def.book
File targetA.fm
File targetB.fm
File targetC.fm
File targetD.fm
File BEGIN_HERE.fm

I moved File BEGIN_HERE.fm out of folder \Abc_Def because a recipient of the 
informational product (portable document format files) wants it that way.  I am 
using a character tag to constrain both the newlinks and gotolinks to small 
amounts of text.  Before I moved file BEGIN_HERE.fm out of folder \Abc_Def, 
crossreferences among all files worked flawlessly.

My latest attempt has been to specify named destinations (for example, newlink 
dir_About.fm) and jumps to named destinations (for example, gotolink 
dir_About.fm).

In the source .fm files, these jumps work only a small part of the time.  In 
the deliverable .pdf files, they don't work at all.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

Not producing .xml files

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-08-01-04T00:50Z



Tino ?



Thanks for the info.  I distinctly remember that three or four years ago, 
FrameMaker produced _both_ .xml files and the ?.enn? files.  I remember writing 
to Adobe (probably through the bug page) that the ?.enn? files were useless.



Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.?

Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US

tel:  260-434-9620 fax:  260.434.9501 / 9509

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From: Tino H. Haida [mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com] 
Sent: 2013-07-31-Wednesday 18:19
To: Stamm, David-P45904; Framers
Subject: Re: Not producing .xml files



Hello Dave,

this is the default behaviour for FrameMaker books.

Pls. refer to the "Structure_Dev_Guide.pdf" for details.

Best regards -

Tino H. Haida, Berlin



Am 2013-07-31 23:36, schrieb Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com:

2013-07-31-03T21:35Z

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system
FrameMaker 11.0.2.384 [ stand-alone with the first two updates ]
.book file and its children are on a server on the local area network

Please help me figure out and correct what we are doing wrong.  A 
colleague who has FrameMaker 11 (with all three updates, out of Technical 
Communication Suite) gets the same useless results. 

FrameMaker is not producing .xml files.  Instead, it is producing files 
with extensions of .e01, .e02, through .e30 and such.  These ".enn" files are 
less than useless to us.

We have imported element definitions

This happens both when, in the .book window:

 a.  I choose the .book file and all its children.

 b.  On the menu bar, I choose File | Save as XML.

  - AND WHEN -

 c.  I choose only the .book file.

 d.  On the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > .xml.

   1.  File structapps.fm is in 
C:\Users\[name]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\11.  File structapps.fm 
contains element  that points to:

 a.  the \ .dtd

 b.  the rules file

 c.  the folder that contains .ent files

   2.  The rules file (on server) contains:

fm version is "11.0";

/*
 * Include all ISO entity mapping rules.
 */
#include "isoall.rw"

/*  element "xref" drop;
*/
fm marker drop;

/*  writer external dtd is
public "-//USA-DOD//DTD MIL-STD-2361 TM 
**   Assembly REV D 4.12 20120930//EN":
 */

writer do not include sgml declaration;

/*
 *writer do not output book processing instructions;
 */

/* writer declare entities for graphic and icon-set elements;
 */
element "graphic" 
{
is fm graphic element;
attribute "boardno" is fm property entity; }

element "icon-set" 
{
is fm graphic element;
attribute "boardno" is fm property entity; }


Help, please, and thanks in advance.
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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Windows 7 Enterprise operating system
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.book file and its children are on a server on the local area network

Please help me figure out and correct what we are doing wrong.  A colleague who 
has FrameMaker 11 (with all three updates, out of Technical Communication 
Suite) gets the same useless results. 

FrameMaker is not producing .xml files.  Instead, it is producing files with 
extensions of .e01, .e02, through .e30 and such.  These ".enn" files are less 
than useless to us.

We have imported element definitions

This happens both when, in the .book window:

 a.  I choose the .book file and all its children.

 b.  On the menu bar, I choose File?| Save as XML.

-?AND WHEN?-

 c.  I choose only the .book file.

 d.  On the menu bar, I choose File?| Save Book As...?> .xml.

   1.  File?structapps.fm is in 
C:\Users\[name]\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\11.  File structapps.fm 
contains element  that points to:

 a.  the \?.dtd

 b.  the rules file

 c.  the folder that contains .ent files

   2.  The rules file (on server) contains:

fm version is "11.0";

/*
 * Include all ISO entity mapping rules.
 */
#include "isoall.rw"

/*  element "xref" drop;
*/
fm marker drop;

/*  writer external dtd is
public "-//USA-DOD//DTD MIL-STD-2361 TM 
**   Assembly REV D 4.12 20120930//EN":
 */

writer do not include sgml declaration;

/*
 *writer do not output book processing instructions;
 */

/* writer declare entities for graphic and icon-set elements;
 */
element "graphic" 
{
is fm graphic element;
attribute "boardno" is fm property entity; }

element "icon-set" 
{
is fm graphic element;
attribute "boardno" is fm property entity; }


Help, please, and thanks in advance.
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

Setting up files for structured use

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-07-17-03T12:55Z



Matt -



Thanks for the customary caution about protecting files.  According to
our custom, our "source" \ structapps.fm is in safekeeping on a server
that is backed up.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com] 
Sent: 2013-07-16-Tuesday 20:26
To: craigede at hotmail.com
Cc: 'Framer's List'; Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: Re: Setting up files for structured use



Yes, indeed it would be overkill. However, I was recommending Dave go to
an install that had yet to be mucked. (a fresh install, not a reinstall)




Attempting to remedy the existing mucked files could result in much
wheel spinning that might make reinstalling Fm seem like a modest
proposal.


-Matt

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:





Reinstalling completely to fix the maker.ini files seems a bit like
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Craig -



Thanks so much for the info.  I'll check it out.  The problem of
FrameMaker's not faithfully reading the "rules" file, wherever it is,
looks like a deal breaker that, I'm sorry to say, gives me pause about
continuing using FrameMaker.  There's just so much "pressure" to use
other XML editor computer programs . . ..



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From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 2013-07-16-Tuesday 19:53
To: matt at mattrsullivan.com; 'Framer's List'; Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: RE: Setting up files for structured use



Reinstalling completely to fix the maker.ini files seems a bit like
overkill. When editing the maker.ini file it is a good idea to make a
copy in the same location. I name the copy maker.ini.ORIG, so I can use
that to get back to the original settings if they are needed.



This use of two structapps (local and global) files started with FM10.

There's a discussion about the use of a network drive for common
structure files in one of the Adobe webinars.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm?event=set_registered&id=224
3297&loc=en_us

The relevant comments begin about 11:15 into the webinar.



The one you edit by using you choose Structure Tools > Edit Application
Definitions is the local one. When you edit that file, save it and then
do a Read Application Definitions (to allow your application to use the
new definitions) everything is okay and you can use your new
application. However...



The global file is not affected by these edits. Next time you start FM
and it reads from the global file, your new application definition will
not be there. You have to copy the application definition in your local
file into the global file.  Your problem with RW file not being seen may
simply be a result of that. The discussion of the structure app file is
at about 18:00 in the webinar.



Craig



- snipped -

With Fm11, there are now 2 copies of the maker.ini (userdata directory
and install directory) and 2 copies of the structapps file (local and
global, both available from the Structure menu in Fm11), and I'm betting
you're getting snarled in the combinations of these files.





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I need help setting up files for structured use by four persons.  Since the 
last time I set this up, the versions of the operating system, FrameMaker, and 
Acrobat have changed.

Windows 7 Enterprise operating system
FrameMaker 11.0.2.384 (stand-alone) installed on workstation
Colleagues have FrameMaker 11 out of Technical Communication Suite 
installed on their workstations
Acrobat XI Pro 11.0.1 installed on workstation
.book file and its children on a server on the local area network

I believe that I need to set up \?maker.ini and \?structapps.fm to facilitate 
alternately using two versions of one standard.

I know that, in \?maker.ini, I can specify _one_ folder that contains 
\?structapps.fm, the "rules" file, the .dtd and the transformation files.  If I 
specify a folder other than \?Structure in its default location, I want the 
\?structapps.fm, the "rules" file, the .dtd, and the transformation files to be 
on a server on the local area network.  This works for using only _one_ version 
of the standard.

I need to set up to alternately use _two_ versions of the standard.

I know that, in \?structapps.fm, in the structured applications, I can specify 
various paths to different versions of the of the "rules" file, the .dtd, and 
such.

Unfortunately, with the "rules" file and the .dtd on a server on the local area 
network, more often than not, FrameMaker complains that it cannot read the 
"rules" file.  I have ensured that:

   1.  In the structured application, the path to the "rules" file is correct.

   2.  For the "rules" file and the folder containing it, the check box for 
attribute "Read-only" has no check mark.

It seems as though I could set up to alternately use _two_ versions of one 
standard by editing \?maker.ini and having two versions of it to specify 
different locations on the server for the "structure" files.  When needing to 
change from one version of \?maker.ini to the other, I'd have to rename both to 
ensure that only _one_ is present.  This seems cumbersome (and a bit dangerous).

I hope that I'm missing something truly obscure (or even obvious) and that 
there's an easier way to be flexible and to work faster, better, and cheaper.

Help, please.

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

OT: Contacting FrameScript, Finite Matters SOLVED

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-06-25-02T18:45Z

Thanks to all who responded.

As circumstance has it, Rick Quatro reported the situation to Marjorie
Mayo of Finite Matters.  She, to whom I first wrote about two weeks ago,
has contacted me directly.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

OT: Contacting FrameScript, Finite Matters

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-06-25-02T17:00Z

Framers -

By email starting about two weeks ago, I have tried to contact the staff of 
FINITE MATTERS LTD ( http://www.fml.com/ ) or FrameScript 
(?http://www.framescript.com/ ).  For email, both use "@fml.com."

I have received no response.  ?Does anyone know if everyone at @fml.com is on 
holiday?  ?Or, have both WWW sites been abandoned and the firm is or the firms 
are no longer in business?

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

Modifying Image Paths

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-06-10-01T15:40Z



Fred -



?_That's_ the ticket!  Done.



?Thanks!

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 2013-06-10-Monday 11:36
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: RE: Modifying Image Paths



That location only works automatically for DLLs. 

What you are missing is the instruction to use File >Script > Run to execute 
the downloaded script the first time. That initial execution creates the new 
menu item that you use to launch the script subsequently. 



Subject: RE: Modifying Image Paths
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 08:17:06 -0700
From: dave.st...@gdc4s.com
To: info at mikewickham.com
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com

2013-06-10-01T15:15Z



Mike -



Under File | Utilities, Archive does not appear.



I tried putting a copy of the script into C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\plugins, which is what I started to do before 
posting, but filing it there had no effect.



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Mike -



Under File | Utilities, Archive does not appear.



I tried putting a copy of the script into C:\Program Files
(x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11\plugins, which is what I started to do
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Windows 7 Enterprise operating system

FrameMaker 11.0.1.382



I have obtained the script, and I don't want to seem dense, but where am
I to file the script?



Thanks.

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: 2013-04-24-Wednesday 11:11
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Modifying Image Paths



You can use the free Archive or Book Packager script to do this. It
moves all graphics to a single directory. You can find it here:
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2011/07/create-a-book-packager-using-ext
endscript.html
Be sure to get v2, at the "script attached" link. The "original script
can be found here" link, as I recall, linked to a version that had a bug
in it.

Mike

On 4/24/2013 9:00 AM, Judy Bragg wrote:

My company is soon to begin working with translation software.
Until now, my images have been filed in a chapter subfolder.
Since our images will not be localized, I'm moving the images to a
location where they can be accessed by each language by the same path.
That way, I add/change an image once and everything updates.



-- 
Sent from my supercharged custom computer with three 24" monitors. It
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-05-22-03T16:55Z

Mike Wickham wrote,

"You know, we users ought to start billing Adobe for the hours we spend 
providing free customer support for them in the various forums. We undoubtedly 
save the company millions of dollars per year. I imagine that the billing for 
my posts on this listserve and the Adobe FrameMaker forums alone would be worth 
well more than a lifetime subscription plan to Creative Cloud."

?Hear!  ?Hear!

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: 2013-05-22-Wednesday 12:35
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-05-13-01T20:20Z

Nadine -

Nadine, I certainly wouldn't swing the bat if you were within range.  On the 
other hand, having served in the US Army Infantry, I'd call it "bursting 
radius."

Well, if you'll accept an American source, please see

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism and


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free+market?show=0&t=1368475416 .

So, I make the answer to your question as, "?.?.?.?an economic system 
characterized by?.?.?.?distribution of goods that are determined mainly by 
competition in a free market."

Also, please consider the following.  It is a very-close paraphrasing of a 
statement by a professor of accounting is his class many years ago.

The purpose of business is to make money.  The purpose of business is _not_ to 
produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service.  The purpose of 
business is to _make_money_.

And, if you'll allow an allusion from the Bible:  "The _love_ of money is the 
root of all evil."  (emphasis added because it is often misquoted as "Money is 
the root of all evil."  DAS)

*Being concerned that Nadine and others might be within bursting radius, puts 
figurative safety pin back into figurative hand grenade.*

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: 2013-05-13-Monday 15:56
To: Stamm, David-P45904; dr_gonzo at pobox.com; alan at alphabyte.co.nz
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

>?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.?

I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market?

*steps back out of Dave's swing range*

=D

Nadine

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-05-13-01T19:50Z



"Everybody wins . . .." as far as Adobe Systems Incorporated and some
others might perceive it.  From my perspective - and, perhaps, my
employer's perspective - this will _not_ be a "win" for us.



Perhaps Adobe has forgotten that we, the customers, also must make
business decisions.



I say that we "vote" with our Deutsche Marks, dollars, francs, and
pounds and let Adobe see how much we want - let alone need - the
Creative Cloud.



"That's how capitalism is supposed to work."



Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson
Sent: 2013-05-12-Sunday 09:52
To: Alan T Litchfield
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Forum
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription
only



Adobe introduces subscription-based licensing. So many of its users find
it an outstanding value that over time, most of them license software by
subscription. Adobe is rewarded for being innovative and Adobe serves
its customers better. Everybody wins.

Adobe ends its relationship with resellers over time so that,
eventually, all users license software directly from Adobe .. either
subscription or download or disks (at an extra cost).

This is also a success story for Adobe; it's rewarded because it's
providing a better service for its customers and at the same time, it's
doing better for its shareholders. That's how capitalism is supposed to
work.

Choice is the entire issue. Everyone who made the case for subscription
has a great point. It's not what I choose but I have no reason to tell
you subscription is bad for *you*.

Choice ... it's what humans do all the time. Adobe has removed the
choice from some percentage of its users and there's no reason for it.
Maybe Adobe has gotten to the point where it no longer believes
customers make Adobe successful. Maybe they think they're so big they
don't have to think about customers anymore; we, Adobe, make YOU
successful.

I don't know; fact is, they're doing their customers a disservice by
limiting our choice for how we license software from them. Subscriptions
are great, just give me back what I want and I'm perfectly content.



On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Alan T Litchfield
 wrote:

Funny how people put words between the lines...

On 12/05/13 12:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote:

That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially
true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers
for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were
more rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off.


I never said Adobe "blames" anyone for anything. I am saying that Adobe
has shareholders and share values are important. Customers are important
too, but they are important because they improve share value (more
customers, better share values). However, customers are only valuable
when they are encouraged to part with their money, so to have customers
pay more frequently is better than when they don't.

The problem with cusomters is that they cost money to do business with.
The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value.
So, cut the cost of doing business and improve share value. The
subscription model Adobe are rolling out does just that.

Obedience has nothing to do with it. Don't make it a human factor.
Humanity has nothing to do with this. This is economics.


You're side of the mark about resellers. Adobe locks down pricing and
availability of its software; you can't buy old versions of anything
from anybody ever and you can't get more than a few dollars of discount
from anybody. Having other people sell for you is generally a good
thing.


Ignoring the bit about buying old versions, as a former reseller, I can
quite confidently tell you that you are wrong.

Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the
product. With the advance of Internet and peer support of products,
Adobe had long since removed the reseller from the channel. The
subscription model merely removes the last part of the retail chain.
Sure, there remain some resellers but they are concerned with large
customers who need specific licensing requirements. These are the ones
that for Adobe to do itself, are uneconomic.

> But again, in the Adobe way of looking at things, what's good for
> the customer is bad because customers always do the wrong thing.

Sorry, makes no sense. Customers (those that pay for stuff) always do
the right thing when they are relieved of their money.


Adobe is making this change in anticipation of other changes yet to be
announced.


Meh. It's just another way to do business. I have worked out that the
subscription model will cost me about twice much to keep getting access
to what I have now. It will disadvantage me in the future because I have
to continue to pay for something I do not have to continue to pay for
now.

If you love the subscription model y

Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-05-13-01T15:15Z

I, too, am interested in addition to Alan Litchfield, Syed Hosain, et
al.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H.
Griffith
Sent: 2013-05-11-Saturday 20:54
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer 
wrote:

>I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! 
>Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone?

Well... we've had one on the back burner for several years now.
Basically it's an Open Source GPL project, so zero financing needed,
with a very basic core and plugins independently installable for most of
the functionality.  We called it "Omni 2.0", after the very first
product I wrote, the first screen-oriented editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on
8080 (way before WordStar).

If there really is much interest, we can set it up as a SourceForge
project pretty easily (we have a couple of others on SourceForge).
We're not set on that name, or on much of anything else except GPL.

Greed doesn't always have to win out...  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  http://mif2go.com/
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Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

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There's that death knell again?.?.?..

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Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future 
only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe 
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of 
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then 
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver have 
been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the future, 
though.

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SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-26-05T18:20Z



For security reasons, my employer impedes getting to the on-line version of 
help.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: 2013-04-26-Friday 14:14
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book



Use the "Discuss This Page" functionality on the help pages (they also echo in 
a strangely annoying way to the Adobe Forums) and Adobe's tech writing team 
monitors the suggestions for the next build of the help.





From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 2:08 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth
Subject: RE: SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

How does a customer/user go about making changes on an Adobe website?  And if 
this is not possible for an arbitrary individual to do, who is the "us" you 
refer to who have the capability to paste someone else's text into a page of 
their site?

-Fred Ridder

> From: jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 13:33:42 -0400
> Subject: RE: SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book
> 
> If you indicate which page in the help system 
> (http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/index.html) should be updated, 
> you can either make your change yourself or have one of us copy & paste your 
> text.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 1:24 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book
> 
> 2013-04-26-05T17:25Z
> 
> Rick Quatro generously provided the solution in a telephonic conversation.
> 
> ?Max Hoffman, will you please do whatever necessary to get the following 
> procedure added to the help for FrameMaker?
> 
> NOTE: This is based on my telephonic conversation 2013-04-26-05 with Rick 
> Quatro (Carmen Publishing ( www.frameexpert.com/ ), 585-283-5045).
> Files added to the book do not have to be valid.
> 
> SYMPTOM
> In a structured book, in the Structure View window, the program displays the 
> top-level element in the book as .
> 
> MALFUNCTION
> The parent element for the book is not applied to the top-level element.
> 
> CORRECTIVE ACTION
> 1. After adding structured files to the book, update the book. In the 
> Structure View window, the program displays the name of each top-level 
> element in each file. The program displays the top-level element in the book 
> as .
> 
> 2. In the Structure View window, choose . In the Edit Attributes 
> window, on the Elements tab, choose the Options... button. The Set Available 
> Elements window appears.
> 
> 3. In the Set Available Elements window, in the Show Tags For: area, in the 
> Valid Elements for Working Start to Finish option button, ensure a dot and 
> choose the Set button. The program sets and displays the available elements.
> 
> 4. On the Elements tab, choose the top-level element for the book. The 
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SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-26-05T18:20Z

I have FrameMaker help in a portable document format file.  Near the bottom of 
PDF p 440 of 615, I added a Sticky Note containing the procedure.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: 2013-04-26-Friday 13:34
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book


 If you indicate which page in the help system 
(http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/index.html) should be updated, 
you can either make your change yourself or have one of us copy & paste your 
text.

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

2013-04-26-05T17:25Z

Rick Quatro generously provided the solution in a telephonic conversation.

?Max Hoffman, will you please do whatever necessary to get the following 
procedure added to the help for FrameMaker?

NOTE:  This is based on my telephonic conversation 2013-04-26-05 with 
Rick Quatro (Carmen Publishing ( www.frameexpert.com/ ), 585-283-5045).
Files added to the book do not have to be valid.

SYMPTOM
In a structured book, in the Structure View window, the program displays the 
top-level element in the book as .

MALFUNCTION
The parent element for the book is not applied to the top-level element.

CORRECTIVE ACTION
1.  After adding structured files to the book, update the book.  In the 
Structure View window, the program displays the name of each top-level element 
in each file.  The program displays the top-level element in the book as 
.

   2.  In the Structure View window, choose .  In the Edit Attributes 
window, on the Elements tab, choose the Options... button.  The Set Available 
Elements window appears.

   3.  In the Set Available Elements window, in the Show Tags For: area, in the 
Valid Elements for Working Start to Finish option button, ensure a dot and 
choose the Set button.  The program sets and displays the available elements.

   4.  On the Elements tab, choose the top-level element for the book.  The 
program changes  to the name of the chosen element.

   5.  In the Structure View, arrange elements to conform.

Again, many thanks to Rick Quatro.  As many others have written before, "?The 
contributors to this list are the _best_!"

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US
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SOLVED: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-26-05T17:25Z

Rick Quatro generously provided the solution in a telephonic conversation.

?Max Hoffman, will you please do whatever necessary to get the following 
procedure added to the help for FrameMaker?

NOTE:  This is based on my telephonic conversation 2013-04-26-05 with 
Rick Quatro (Carmen Publishing ( www.frameexpert.com/ ), 585-283-5045).
Files added to the book do not have to be valid.

SYMPTOM
In a structured book, in the Structure View window, the program displays the 
top-level element in the book as .

MALFUNCTION
The parent element for the book is not applied to the top-level element.

CORRECTIVE ACTION
1.  After adding structured files to the book, update the book.  In the 
Structure View window, the program displays the name of each top-level element 
in each file.  The program displays the top-level element in the book as 
.

   2.  In the Structure View window, choose .  In the Edit Attributes 
window, on the Elements tab, choose the Options... button.  The Set Available 
Elements window appears.

   3.  In the Set Available Elements window, in the Show Tags For: area, in the 
Valid Elements for Working Start to Finish option button, ensure a dot and 
choose the Set button.  The program sets and displays the available elements.

   4.  On the Elements tab, choose the top-level element for the book.  The 
program changes  to the name of the chosen element.

   5.  In the Structure View, arrange elements to conform.

Again, many thanks to Rick Quatro.  As many others have written before, "?The 
contributors to this list are the _best_!"

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US
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Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-26-05T14:20Z

I have sorted out the problematic file and have updated the book, but no joy.  
Element  persists and resists.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US
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Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-26-05T13:45Z

Rick -

Yes; thanks for mentioning.  I failed to remember and to mention that when I 
try to update the book, FrameMaker hangs.  It's hanging as I write this.  I 
have to use Task Manager to end process and force FrameMaker out.

So, now, the problematic file becomes a likely suspect.

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] 
Sent: 2013-04-26-Friday 09:35
To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

Hi Dave,

After you add the structured files to the book, you have to update the book, 
then the correct elements should show up in the structure view and element 
catalog. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you 
very much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com



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gdc4s.com
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:25 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

2013-04-26-05T13:25Z

Windows 7 Enterprise SP 1
Processor:  2.80?GHz
RAM:  4.00?GB
64-bit operating system
FrameMaker 11.0.1.382, stand-alone (AFAIK), installed on workstation .book and 
.fm files on server on LAN per corporate requirement

I seldom need to create a structured book, and I first encountered this problem 
at least four years ago using (probably version 7.2 or 8).  Only twice have I 
succeeded.  I am completely at a loss as to why my success rate is so low.

FrameMaker help for version 11, as best I can tell, does not even treat the 
subject of creating a structured _book_.  Neither does the application 
developers guide for 7.2.  These references include information about 
structured _files_?- but not structured _books_.  If found nothing in the 
FrameUsers archive and using FrameUsers search.

I reverted to consulting version 7 help.  I followed the instructions in it 
under "Creating structured book files" and under "Adding files to structured 
books."

The files in the book are structured.  They are associated with the correct 
structured application.  I have produced a .edd file from the applicable .dtd 
file.  I have imported element definitions from the .edd into the files and 
into the book file.  (One of the files is problematic in that when I try to 
import element definitions into it, FrameMaker crashes.  I "Mif washed"
that file to no good effect.  I do not believe that this problematic file is 
related to my inability to create a structured _book_.)

In the book window, the book is as I named it, as I fully expect.  In the book 
window, I choose the entry for the book, and I display the Structure View 
window.  In the Structure View window, the parent element is , and all 
the entire book is indicated as not valid.

I cannot change the name of , and I cannot get FrameMaker to recognize 
it as the parent element.  It seems as though I can "get to square two or 
three" but not further.

Help, please.

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
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Cannot create FrameMaker structured book

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-26-05T13:25Z

Windows 7 Enterprise SP 1
Processor:  2.80?GHz
RAM:  4.00?GB
64-bit operating system
FrameMaker 11.0.1.382, stand-alone (AFAIK), installed on workstation
.book and .fm files on server on LAN per corporate requirement

I seldom need to create a structured book, and I first encountered this problem 
at least four years ago using (probably version 7.2 or 8).  Only twice have I 
succeeded.  I am completely at a loss as to why my success rate is so low.

FrameMaker help for version 11, as best I can tell, does not even treat the 
subject of creating a structured _book_.  Neither does the application 
developers guide for 7.2.  These references include information about 
structured _files_?- but not structured _books_.  If found nothing in the 
FrameUsers archive and using FrameUsers search.

I reverted to consulting version 7 help.  I followed the instructions in it 
under "Creating structured book files" and under "Adding files to structured 
books."

The files in the book are structured.  They are associated with the correct 
structured application.  I have produced a .edd file from the applicable .dtd 
file.  I have imported element definitions from the .edd into the files and 
into the book file.  (One of the files is problematic in that when I try to 
import element definitions into it, FrameMaker crashes.  I "Mif washed" that 
file to no good effect.  I do not believe that this problematic file is related 
to my inability to create a structured _book_.)

In the book window, the book is as I named it, as I fully expect.  In the book 
window, I choose the entry for the book, and I display the Structure View 
window.  In the Structure View window, the parent element is , and all 
the entire book is indicated as not valid.

I cannot change the name of , and I cannot get FrameMaker to recognize 
it as the parent element.  It seems as though I can "get to square two or 
three" but not further.

Help, please.

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

Tooltip text for hotspot doesn't show in PDF (FM 11, Windows 7)

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-12-05T12:55Z



Terri -



Thanks for posting this:  I'm in the same situation.



Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Terri Schultz
Sent: 2013-04-11-Thursday 16:36
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Tooltip text for hotspot doesn't show in PDF (FM 11, Windows 7)



I am posting this for a co-worker.

In FrameMaker 11, I have set objects to be hotspots going to an external
URL. When I generate a PDF, the hotspots work, but the tooltip text that
I entered for each hotspot is not showing. Instead, when I hover over
the hotspot, I see the URL. Is this a bug, or do I need to do something
differently?
Thanks for any and all help!
Terri
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Find/Change Dialog Box Inconsistency (was: Zoom Level Settingsin FM 11)

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2013-04-08-01T11:45Z



?Hear, hear!



If I were the king of the world, this bug and many other bugs would have been 
fixed by now.



Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: 2013-04-07-Sunday 05:53
To: Maxwell Hoffmann; Framers
Subject: Re: Find/Change Dialog Box Inconsistency (was: Zoom Level Settingsin 
FM 11)



Please fix this one. It's probably one of the easier bugs to fix, and would be 
a real time saver if you would fix it.  

5. The first time I press Ctrl-f, I can just type the search string,
but after that the focus within the Find/Change seems to be random, so
I can't.



Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer 
052-763-7133

On 05-Apr-13 8:21 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote:

Robert,

Thank you for taking the time to share such detailed feedback. I will 
ensure that this is sent to the appropriate internal parties.

Regarding my intent in "it's impossible to please everyone," what I was 
referring to is that various feature requests and UI enhancements requested in 
this formats sometimes cancel each other out. Obviously, we can't please 
everyone.



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From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at 
gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:49 AM
To: Maxwell Hoffmann; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann    wrote:

FrameMaker is a very powerful, feature-rich product that 
addresses the 
needs of very diverse users in many different vertical markets. 
As a 
result, it is impossible to please all of us, regarding UI, and 
other issues.


It's impossible to displease anyone by fixing bugs, or by improving 
your QA.

There are a lot of serious UI bugs that were introduced in FM9 that 
from what I've heard still haven't been fixed in FM11. You may remember you 
asked me to send you a list of those bugs last year.
Here's another copy.

1. Document window size and position are not saved.

[snip]

11. If I Alt-Tab to FrameMaker from another application, pressing 
Alt-Tab again takes me to another FrameMaker document window (if more than one 
document is open) instead of back to the other application.

I eventually gave up on rearranging FM10's windows and pods, which 
means I don't encounter most of those any more, but I'm probably 10-15% slower 
as a result.
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Usage question - subjunctive mood? (WAS: anyone looking for a writer?)

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-04-08-01T11:40Z



Yes, "If I were looking . . . " is correct.  It conveys the concept of 
"conditional, contrary to fact":  "I wasn't looking, but if I had been looking 
. . .."



I choose to believe that those who might read or hear such an expression don't 
consider it "hifalutin'" and accept it.  ?Who knows?  The reader or listener 
might even learn something about the language.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs
Sent: 2013-04-07-Sunday 11:35
To: 'FrameUsers List'
Subject: Usage question - subjunctive mood? (WAS: anyone looking for a writer?)



I hope this isn't considered too "off topic". 



Perhaps things have changed as our American English language devolves all 
around us, but ... might we not better say "if I WERE looking" rather than "if 
I WAS looking"? That is, is this not an untrue condition or wish, therefore 
correctly expressed in the subjunctive mood?



Serious question ... If I'm "behind the curve" here, I'd like to know!



Thanks,

Elchanan

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 12:57 PM
To: Rick Quatro
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: anyone looking for a writer?



Seconding all of Rick's comments, with the bonus that if I was looking for a 
job or a writer who was better than average with FM, this would be a pretty 
obvious place to browse or recruit. Just the fact that someone would post on 
this list semi-qualifies them... 




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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:

This seems like a great place for this kind of post. You get an occasional 
posts from people offering FrameMaker jobs and those looking for FrameMaker 
jobs. It's all good. The list is fairly low-volume anyway, and you can easily 
delete any posts you consider inappropriate. Besides, if I was looking to hire 
someone, I would want to know that someone as qualified as Jess is looking for 
a job.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

rick at frameexpert.com







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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: anyone looking for a writer?



Much as I wish you success, I don't believe this is an appropriate posting 
here. The list would soon be filled by pleas from people like you and me who 
are looking for work.



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Lisa -



The following has worked for us.



element "graphic" 

{

is fm graphic element;
[ << Note the order of the words here. ]

attribute "boardno" is fm property entity; }



Good luck and



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 2013-03-06-Wednesday 09:59
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict



Many thanks to Ian and Scott for your suggestions, but unfortunately
this is still not working for me. I've tried both methods below as well
as every combination of the two I could think of. 



After pouring through all the reference material I have, I am still
stumped on this. Does anyone else have any ideas where my disconnect is?





>From Scott Prentice:



Try changing your rules to this (don't need the "Graphic" in the first
rule) ..

element "Graphic"
{
is fm graphic element;
fm property entity value is "illus";
}





From: Ian Proudfoot [mailto:ian.proudf...@itp-x.co.uk] 
Sent: 03 01, 2013 7:26 AM
To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict



Hi Lisa,

I think you have misunderstood the rules a little. So try this:



element "Graphic"

{

is fm graphic element "Graphic";

attribute "illus" is fm property entity;

}



This will work if the "illus" attribute is defined as type ENTITY in the
DTD.

In your EDD remove the attribute definition for "illus". This will not
be needed in the FrameMaker environment because the read/write rule is
converting the XML attribute into a FrameMaker property. The type
mismatch was because the attribute was defined as an Integer in the EDD.




If the DTD does not define "illus" as ENTITY, then use this rule
instead:

attribute "illus" is fm property file;



That's all from memory, so I hope it all works for you.



Ian



Ian PROUDFOOT

Technical Director

www.antea.fr 



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Tel : + 44 (0)7793 324 581





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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman
Sent: 28 February 2013 18:36
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RW Rules vs EDD Conflict





Hello All,



I am working a project using FrameMaker 8.0p277.



I have a conflict between my Read-Write Rules and my template (my EDD, I
presume) that has me stumped. When I do a check of my rules I get the
following error:



"Type mismatch for the FrameMaker element (Graphic). The type defined by
the read/write rules is different from that defined by the template." 



The link takes me to the "is fm graphic element" statement below.



My rules are:

element "Graphic" 

{

is fm graphic element "Graphic";

fm property entity value is "illus";

}



And I have the following defined in my EDD:



Element (Graphic): Graphic

Attribute list

Name: illus  Integer Required 

Initial graphic element format

In all contexts.

Insert imported graphic file.



Am I missing something that is totally obvious to anyone? 



Thanks in advance for any suggestions!





Sincerely,

Lisa Freeman

Publication Support Analyst



O'NEIL & ASSOCIATES, INC.  




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Tori -



I've not had to work with line numbering, so I wonder whether numbering
the rows of the tables will suffice.



The numbering in each table could start with "1," and when combined with
each table's number (I assume that the tables are numbered), this scheme
will provide unique identification for each row.  For example, "Table
14-3, row 98."



If your customer can't work with such a solution because "it's different
from how Word does it," then you _do_ have a challenge.



Regards,

Dave Stamm



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir
Sent: 2013-02-25-Monday 14:10
To: Craig Ede
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?



It turns out there's an additional wrinkle to this: client now wants
line numbers to be contiguous through the entire, 470+ page document.
Because Word does it this way.  

So I'm not sure Frame is going to give the client what they want for
this job, and I'm definitely sure that autonumbered paras within the
tables would not satisfy client.

Bugger.



Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 10:58 AM, Craig Ede wrote: 

Is adding an incrementing autonumber to the para format of the leftmost
table cell out of the question?

Craig

> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:43:47 -0800
> From: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Line numbering tables in FM11?
> 
> Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
> numbering. However, we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
> contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
> tables.
> 
> Is this just the way it works? Or am I missing some setting that would

> add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer
issue 
> for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back
to 
> our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
> pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the
same 
> numbers.
> 
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Regarding my earlier response to Lise's posting.



I expressed only my own professional opinions and not those of my
employer.  I have no interest in MicroType other than being a satisfied
customer.



Regards,

Dave Stamm



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lise Bible
Sent: 2013-02-21-Thursday 10:57
To: Post Framers
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?



Fellow Framers,

I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by
this list's members to be quite helpful!



I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the
American market or European.

This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with
8.5x11 (US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it
might need to be A4-sized for the European market.



Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?



I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had
recommendations.




Thanks,

Lise

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Lisa -



I agree with Nadine's first recommendation, which is what we have done
here.



Preparing for this process emphasizes that "less is [or fewer are]
more."  Wield "Ockham's Razor" judiciously, of not ruthlessly.



For _full_ benefit, I highly recommend that you expend the resources
necessary to attend Shlomo Perets'  course on advanced techniques for
FrameMaker templates.



See http://www.microtype.com/default.html.



Good luck and regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)

Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lise Bible
Sent: 2013-02-21-Thursday 10:57
To: Post Framers
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?



Fellow Framers,

I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by
this list's members to be quite helpful!



I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the
American market or European.

This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with
8.5x11 (US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it
might need to be A4-sized for the European market.



Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?



I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had
recommendations.




Thanks,

Lise

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Dove and Kapil -



?Thanks _so_ much for your customarily clear and explicit responses!  You - and 
all the others who have posted to this "conversation" have certainly sorted out 
a good many things for me.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)

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From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: 2013-02-14-Thursday 16:05
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; techwr-l at techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!



All,



Sorry I couldn't respond to this thread earlier. Driving much of the day 
yesterday and I don't "do e-mail" while driving.  J



I am seriously hoping that there was a serious misunderstanding between Ken 
Poshedly and the tech support person he spoke with. Maybe a language issue one 
of a definition of what a "data file" is.



For the record, there is absolutely no restriction in FrameMaker - any version 
- as to where FrameMaker document files (.fm files), FrameMaker book files, or 
any assets used by same may reside on a user's system. As long as Windows can 
open the file for input and output, FrameMaker can open the document or book. 
FrameMaker documents may be on the system volume or any other volume available 
under Windows including external drives, SSDs, thumb drives, network shares, 
etc.



Then there are the "data files" used internally by FrameMaker including those 
in  where X:\Program 
Files (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker11 is the location where you designate that 
FrameMaker be installed and 
  where  username is the 
user's Window login ID. Maybe there was some issue of what happens if you 
designate a location for FrameMaker installation that isn't the system volume 
or if you move the  directory to someplace other than the 
system volume. I have not experienced problems with FrameMaker 11 installed on 
a volume other than the system volume. I have not attempted to muck around with 
location of the  directory which could be playing with fire 
with not only FrameMaker, but other Windows applications.



Nonetheless, assuming a reasonably normal installation of FrameMaker 11, you 
should have no problem with storing your FrameMaker documents and associated 
assets anywhere that you can open a file within your system's file system.



- Dov





Dov Isaacs
Principal Scientist
Adobe Systems Incorporated

+1 408.536.2896 (tel)
+1 408.242.5161 (cell)

isaacs at adobe.com <mailto:isaacs at adobe.com> 

345 Park Avenue
San Jose, CA  95110-2704 USA
http://www.adobe.com <http://www.adobe.com/> 





Feel free to print this e-mail if your needs dictate hard copy.
There is no need to feel guilty about printing!
Paper is renewable and recyclable.



ISAACS-OFFICE.corp.adobe.com







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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; techwr-l at techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!



2013-02-13-03T19:50Z



?_YIKES_!



If Ken was informed correctly, below - and I _really_ hope he was _not_ - then 
that effectively rings the death knell of FrameMaker's use by my employer.



It was in only the last month that I got upgraded to FrameMaker 11, but I'm 
happy to report that I haven't encountered this type of problem.  To conform to 
_corporate_requirements_ we have FrameMaker installed on our C:\ drives, but 
the files we produce and edit are on a server, so we work with them across our 
local area network and, sometimes, the wide-area network.



Dov, if you see this, will you please confirm, modify, or refute the 
information Ken posted below?



?Thanks!

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)

Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US

"FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2013-02-13-03T19:50Z



?_YIKES_!



If Ken was informed correctly, below - and I _really_ hope he was _not_ - then 
that effectively rings the death knell of FrameMaker's use by my employer.



It was in only the last month that I got upgraded to FrameMaker 11, but I'm 
happy to report that I haven't encountered this type of problem.  To conform to 
_corporate_requirements_ we have FrameMaker installed on our C:\ drives, but 
the files we produce and edit are on a server, so we work with them across our 
local area network and, sometimes, the wide-area network.



Dov, if you see this, will you please confirm, modify, or refute the 
information Ken posted below?



?Thanks!

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Integrated Log Engr Svc, Logistics Section

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)

Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: 2013-02-13-Wednesday 14:24
To: Fred Ridder; poshedly at bellsouth.net; robert at lauriston.com; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com; techwr-l at techwr-l.com
Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!



On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
> I just learned from Adobe tech support (via phone call) that the permissions 
> in
> FrameMaker 11.0 have been modified so that the data files should also be on 
> the
> same hard drive where FM 11.0 is installed. Working across drives (FM here, 
> data
> files there) is no longer an accepted practice -- at least not with FM11.

Seriously? I can understand network-based locations causing issues, but I have 
_never_ seen a problem where an executable (FrameMaker or otherwise!) is on one 
drive and the "data" files are on a separate drive _on the *same* system_.



In fact, I do this right now - my C drive is the usual location for all 
executables (FrameMaker, Office, compilers, etc.) and my E drive contains all 
my other files (including the books and files I work on).


And, I do not have any problems with this setup whatsoever. I am surprised that 
Adobe thinks that this would be a problem in any way! If really accurate, this 
would be a strange, and completely unacceptable, artificial constraint.



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I heartily second David Artman?s recommendation, and it appears as though IXgen 
will do the trick.



Disclaimer:  David Artman and I are not related, despite our common 
first name, but I am a well-satisfied user of IXgen.



Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: 2012-12-18-Tuesday 14:13
To: studio at smalbro.dk; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How to force capital letters in a generated Index?



Short answer: no; there's no way to use paragraph styles to enforce initial 
captals. You could force all caps, as a quick hack.



More-relevant answer: You shouldn't do this, anyway. I feelt that indexes 
should use capitalizattion as driven by tthe indexed terms. So, proper nouns 
and such get capitalized; plain-old terms don't; and maybe your special terms 
(e.g., GUI elements) follow capitalization of the user interface.



David

 Original Message 
Subject: How to force capital letters in a generated Index?
From: Studio Smalbro 
Date: Tue, December 18, 2012 1:55 pm
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com


I am generating an Index in FrameMaker 11, but the index words have 
been 
inserted in the markers with a mix of capital letters and small 
letters. 
It's a big index and I would like to be able to force all words to have 
the first character as a capital letter. Can I somehow tweak the 
paragraph style into doing this or is there any other kind of 
FrameMaker 
magic which will do the trick?

regards
Bj?rn Smalbro
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2012-12-10-01T18:10Z

Thanks to all who responded (mostly off-list, which is fine).  I am now
far less ignorant than I was.

Regards,
Dave Stamm


-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: 2012-12-10-Monday 10:34
To: Alan Houser; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote:

>An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's
PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with
surprising frequency.

I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's
locking me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of
important upgrades elsewhere.

My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to
run FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have
other legacy software that requires Classic and which will never be
updated, including an ancient but adequate accounting system.

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Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2012-12-10-01T12:55Z

All -

Please help dispel my ignorance or refresh my memory.  I use FrameMaker on a 
"PC," but I've read that some die-hard users of FrameMaker who have Mac 
workstations are still using it.  So, as they might say in the City of New 
York, "Not for nothin', but?.?.?." please answer a few questions.

  1.  What was the last version of FrameMaker for the Mac that was released, 
and when was it released?

  2.  If FrameMaker is still running on Mac workstations, how is that done?

  3.  For FrameMaker still running on Mac workstations, what is the latest 
version and when was it released?

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm

Watchman asleep: watched folders query

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2012-11-21-03T18:55Z

Rob -

I've seen similar behavior several times during the last year and a half or so.

NOTE:  Staff of Adobe who monitor this list, please read on.  This 
posting might also be related to recent postings, Subject:  FM 9 Blinking 
linked images. 

There are only two of us here who have FrameMaker in this otherwise "Microsoft" 
shop.

Here's my situation.
FrameMaker 9.0p255  installed stand-alone on my workstation
Acrobat Professional 9.5.2
Distiller Professional 9.5.2295
Windows 7 Enterprise SP 1
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo CPU 2.8?GHz
4.0?GB memory installed
64-bit operating system

To conform to _corporate_requirements_, production files?- including text inset 
source files, graphic files (?Why don't we call these "graphic inset" files?), 
and watched folders are on a server on the LAN in our facility.  This, to 
ensure that production files are backed up.  Files on our workstations are 
_not_ backed up.  Generally, FrameMaker performs reliably.

>From time to time, staff of corporate IT push updates to Adobe Acrobat or 
>Adobe Reader or both.  Staff of corporate IT allows both Acrobat and Reader to 
>be installed on one workstation at the same time.  This has to do with using 
>Adobe LiveCycle.  Still, heeding Dov Isaacs' admonitions, when I discover 
>Reader on my workstation, I remove it.

After such updates, I have found that Distiller has lost its settings for 
Watched Folders.  The person at corporate who set up such updates helped 
troubleshoot how the updates to _Acrobat_ and _Reader_ were affecting 
_Distiller_.  He did not find any clues to help solve the mystery.  So, after 
each update, I "get to" set my watched folders again?.?.?..

So, I wonder whether this problem is related to the problem of files on network 
drives.

If FrameMaker installed and used as described above performed 
still-more-reliably, we'd have just that much more reason and justification to 
continue using FrameMaker.  And believe me, the subject of FrameMaker versus 
Word comes up far more frequently than I care to deal with it.

So, while "holding Word at arm's length," I wish all in the US a "?Happy 
Thanksgiving!"

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Logistics Department, Logistics Section
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: 2012-11-21-Wednesday 10:09
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Watchman asleep: watched folders query

Framers:
A rather trivial question.
Why does Distiller sometimes display  no "watched folders". i.e. watched 
folders is blank.
Every now and again I have to replace the watched folders.
Cannot understand why this should be
FM 11 Patched with Tech Comm 4
*

Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 11 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd




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OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to display files

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2012-08-27-01T19:25Z



Penelope, thanks for the further refinement.



For me, closing and reopening Windows Explorer has had no effect.  Neither have 
restarting or shutting down and starting up the workstation, so OMHV.  I seem 
to have no influence (let alone control) in the matter.



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From: Penelope Perkins [mailto:penelope.perk...@synergex.com] 
Sent: 2012-08-27-Monday 15:02
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: RE: OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to 
display files



Dave,



I've seen this bug in Windows off and on for years, perhaps since XP. I first 
try F5, which rarely works. Oftentimes, closing down the Explorer window and 
reopening it will force a refresh, and if not that, then a reboot is worth a 
try. I have occasionally gone to a command prompt window to make sure I really 
put the file where I think I did. In my experience, the command prompt always 
displays files correctly, confirming that this is an Explorer bug. It has 
(happily) been a long time since I've encountered it. 



Regards,

Penelope



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To: rentagoodbook at gmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to 
display files



2012-08-27-01T18:45Z



Thanks, Lise, for the additional tidbit.



Below, Lise points out that pressing the F5 key to refresh the display for 
files on a network resolves the failure to display, and that the failure to 
display does not happen when using C: \.



For me, pressing the F5 key has had no positive effect, either on the LAN or on 
C: \.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Logistics Department, Logistics Section

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)

Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US

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From: Lise Bible [mailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 2012-08-27-Monday 14:38
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: Re: OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to 
display files



Dave,

I've experienced something like this, though I think it's strictly due to the 
speed (or lag) of our network/servers. I've often saved files to a network 
location, and then have to press F5 (refresh) to get them to appear in Windows 
Explorer. If I save files to my C: drive, however, I do not experience this. 
Other co-workers report the same behavior. 

This was both when I was on WinXP (32-bit), and now (for only a few weeks so 
far) on Win7 (64-bit)...hence why I think it's the network and not the 
operating system.

I've basically learned to live with it (it's trained me to always press F5 to 
make sure I'm seeing all files), but it could also be that the bar has been set 
pretty low as far as my expectations of our IT service desk.



-Lise



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM,  wrote:

2012-08-27-01T18:05Z

Thanks to all who have responded so far.  I hope to hear from more of you soon.

Below, Shmuel correctly points out that I failed to specify whether the 
operating systems are 32- or 64 bit.

Both at work and at home, the operating systems are Windows 7, 64-bit.

Further, one respondent reported having experienced this behavior for some 
years when using the Windows XP operating system.  I did not experience this 
behavior when I had Windows XP, so "our mileage has varied (OMHV)."


Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Logistics Department, Logistics Section
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US
tel:  260-434-9620  fax:  260.434.9501 / 9509
dave.stamm at gdc4s.com http://www.gdc4s.com/



-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: 2012-08-27-Monday 12:30
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to 
display files

I had that for a while. You forgot to mention whether you have a 64-bit
computer. I think the problem by me was when I tra

OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to display files

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2012-08-27-01T18:45Z



Thanks, Lise, for the additional tidbit.



Below, Lise points out that pressing the F5 key to refresh the display for 
files on a network resolves the failure to display, and that the failure to 
display does not happen when using C: \.



For me, pressing the F5 key has had no positive effect, either on the LAN or on 
C: \.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Logistics Department, Logistics Section

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)

Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US

tel:  260-434-9620 fax:  260.434.9501 / 9509

dave.stamm at gdc4s.com http://www.gdc4s.com/



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From: Lise Bible [mailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 2012-08-27-Monday 14:38
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: Re: OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to 
display files



Dave,

I've experienced something like this, though I think it's strictly due to the 
speed (or lag) of our network/servers. I've often saved files to a network 
location, and then have to press F5 (refresh) to get them to appear in Windows 
Explorer. If I save files to my C: drive, however, I do not experience this. 
Other co-workers report the same behavior. 

This was both when I was on WinXP (32-bit), and now (for only a few weeks so 
far) on Win7 (64-bit)...hence why I think it's the network and not the 
operating system.

I've basically learned to live with it (it's trained me to always press F5 to 
make sure I'm seeing all files), but it could also be that the bar has been set 
pretty low as far as my expectations of our IT service desk.



-Lise



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM,  wrote:

2012-08-27-01T18:05Z

Thanks to all who have responded so far.  I hope to hear from more of you soon.

Below, Shmuel correctly points out that I failed to specify whether the 
operating systems are 32- or 64 bit.

Both at work and at home, the operating systems are Windows 7, 64-bit.

Further, one respondent reported having experienced this behavior for some 
years when using the Windows XP operating system.  I did not experience this 
behavior when I had Windows XP, so "our mileage has varied (OMHV)."


Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Logistics Department, Logistics Section
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US
tel:  260-434-9620  fax:  260.434.9501 / 9509
dave.stamm at gdc4s.com http://www.gdc4s.com/

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-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: 2012-08-27-Monday 12:30
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to 
display files

I had that for a while. You forgot to mention whether you have a 64-bit
computer. I think the problem by me was when I transferred a file using
a 32-bit program. Windows Explorer, which I assume is 64-bit on a 64-bit
OS, didn't always display the file. I haven't noticed in a while, so
maybe a Windows update took care of it.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 27-Aug-12 7:18 PM, Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com wrote:
> 2012-08-27-01T16:20Z
>
> Framers using Windows 7 operating systems:
>
> My setups:  At work:  Windows 7 Enterprise SP 1; at home:  Windows 7 Home 
> Premium SP 1
>
>   NOTE:  If you have experienced the problem described below, please 
> reply - off-list, if you wish - so I can document to the Service Desk staff 
> that, "It's not just me," which I know it's not.
>
> Intermittently, irregularly, in both operating systems, Windows Explorer 
> fails to display files I just saved.
>
> At work, I save > 99 % of files into a security group of folders on a server 
> on the LAN.  At home, I save > 99 % of files 

OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to display files

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2012-08-27-01T18:05Z

Thanks to all who have responded so far.  I hope to hear from more of you soon.

Below, Shmuel correctly points out that I failed to specify whether the 
operating systems are 32- or 64 bit.

Both at work and at home, the operating systems are Windows 7, 64-bit.

Further, one respondent reported having experienced this behavior for some 
years when using the Windows XP operating system.  I did not experience this 
behavior when I had Windows XP, so "our mileage has varied (OMHV)."

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Logistics Department, Logistics Section
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552; US
tel:  260-434-9620  fax:  260.434.9501?/ 9509
dave.stamm at gdc4s.com http://www.gdc4s.com/

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-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 2012-08-27-Monday 12:30
To: Stamm, David-P45904
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to 
display files

I had that for a while. You forgot to mention whether you have a 64-bit 
computer. I think the problem by me was when I transferred a file using 
a 32-bit program. Windows Explorer, which I assume is 64-bit on a 64-bit 
OS, didn't always display the file. I haven't noticed in a while, so 
maybe a Windows update took care of it.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133

On 27-Aug-12 7:18 PM, Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com wrote:
> 2012-08-27-01T16:20Z
>
> Framers using Windows 7 operating systems:
>
> My setups:  At work:  Windows 7 Enterprise SP 1; at home:  Windows 7 Home 
> Premium SP 1
>
>   NOTE:  If you have experienced the problem described below, please 
> reply - off-list, if you wish - so I can document to the Service Desk staff 
> that, "It's not just me," which I know it's not.
>
> Intermittently, irregularly, in both operating systems, Windows Explorer 
> fails to display files I just saved.
>
> At work, I save > 99 % of files into a security group of folders on a server 
> on the LAN.  At home, I save > 99 % of files onto the hard drive of my 
> workstation.
>
> Immediately after saving one or more files to either place, I start the 
> files' native programs or use Windows Explorer to open the files.  I navigate 
> to the folder into which I just saved the file or files.  The entries for the 
> files do not appear.
>
> I choose the folder that contains the files, display the window for the 
> folder's properties, and confirm that the "Hidden" check box has 
> _no_check_mark_.  I've even applied "Hidden" to the folder and then reversed 
> the setting.  Still no just-saved files displayed.
>
> As of this morning, the most-recent twist is that Windows Explorer displayed 
> some files that I expected to see but that it did not display last Friday.  
> Because one of my mapped network drives did not appear in Windows Explorer, I 
> was advised to log off and to log back on, which I did.  Windows Explorer 
> displayed the "missing" drive just fine.  _And_ again displayed the list of 
> files as it had appeared last Friday.
>
> I suspect that there's a problem with Windows Explorer's caching of its 
> displays or some such.  So, to pursue a fix to the problem, I have to report 
> it to the staff of the Service Desk.  This is where your confirming my 
> experience comes in.
>
> "?Thanks!" in advance for your time and interest.
>
> Regards,
> Dave Stamm
> Information Engineer
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OT: Windows 7 operating systems, Windows Explorer failing to display files

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2012-08-27-01T16:20Z

Framers using Windows 7 operating systems:

My setups:  At work:  Windows 7 Enterprise SP 1; at home:  Windows 7 Home 
Premium SP 1

NOTE:  If you have experienced the problem described below, please 
reply?- off-list, if you wish?- so I can document to the Service Desk staff 
that, "It's not just me," which I know it's not.

Intermittently, irregularly, in both operating systems, Windows Explorer fails 
to display files I just saved.

At work, I save >?99?% of files into a security group of folders on a server on 
the LAN.  At home, I save >?99?% of files onto the hard drive of my workstation.

Immediately after saving one or more files to either place, I start the files' 
native programs or use Windows Explorer to open the files.  I navigate to the 
folder into which I just saved the file or files.  The entries for the files do 
not appear.

I choose the folder that contains the files, display the window for the 
folder's properties, and confirm that the "Hidden" check box has 
_no_check_mark_.  I've even applied "Hidden" to the folder and then reversed 
the setting.  Still no just-saved files displayed.

As of this morning, the most-recent twist is that Windows Explorer displayed 
some files that I expected to see but that it did not display last Friday.  
Because one of my mapped network drives did not appear in Windows Explorer, I 
was advised to log off and to log back on, which I did.  Windows Explorer 
displayed the "missing" drive just fine.  _And_ again displayed the list of 
files as it had appeared last Friday.

I suspect that there's a problem with Windows Explorer's caching of its 
displays or some such.  So, to pursue a fix to the problem, I have to report it 
to the staff of the Service Desk.  This is where your confirming my experience 
comes in.

"?Thanks!" in advance for your time and interest.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

EDDs for MIL-STD-38784

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2012-03-21-03T12:25Z



Mike -



Based on my experience, there is no DTD (on which an EDD would be based)
for MIL-STD 38784.  There doesn't need to be.  I expect that you'll be
required to conform to MIL-STD 2361 and 40051-1 or 40051-2 or both.  For
2361, there is a DTD available.  You can use FrameMaker to make your
EDD.



Regards,

Dave Stamm

Information Engineer

General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.

Battle Management Systems

1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200 We'll hit your targets from here.(tm)

Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552

US

tel:  260-434-9620

fax:  260.434.9606

dave.stamm at gdc4s.com

http://www.gdc4s.com/



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Johnson
Sent: 2012-03-20-Tue 17:25
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: EDDs for MIL-STD-38784



Does anyone know of any EDDs that are available for MIL-STD-38784?



Thanks!



Michael C. Johnson

Technical Writer

Kihomac, Inc.

Layton, Utah

cell: 801-425-5093

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2012-01-27-05T13:50Z



Tim -



Makes _great_ sense to me.  My character format is  Resume here:  , indicating 
that "this passage needs further work."



Dave Stamm

Information Engineer



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann
Sent: 2012-01-26-Thu 12:29
To: Lea Rush; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Spellcheck oddness in FM8



For what it's worth, I create such placeholders using a character format that I 
can then go look for later. (My format is called "ATTENTION" and it's bold 
magenta underlined. It looks so goofy that I can't miss it even if I forget to 
do a Find for it during the latter part of the release process.)



I hope you don't mind me submitting that. I sometimes get annoyed when I ask 
for advice about how to do something and I get a response from someone telling 
me I shouldn't do it. J



- Tim



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Rush
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:48 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Spellcheck oddness in FM8



Good morning,



Frame 8.0p277

Vista Business SP2 (although that doesn't apply here)



When stuck for text in a particular spot, I occasionally insert nonsense text 
as a placeholder. When I run spellcheck, it finds the nonsense and I finish the 
section. Yesterday, that tactic failed me. Spellcheck failed to find this:



alkasdjf;aidf;andslkfja;oij



What??



The options for Spellcheck don't seem to yield any clues (screen shot, those 
with text-only email):







That string is also not in user.dct. 



Thanks in advance,

Lea








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Software and Documentation Specialist 
Astoria-Pacific International 
www.astoria-pacific.com
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Translating English to Portuguese

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2011-11-11-05T16:30Z

Ragnar -

?Thanks for the alert about these details!  We will have to watch for that 
possibility based on how the process develops.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606

-Original Message-
From: Ragnar Han?s [mailto:ragnar.ha...@betamed.se] 
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 11:26
To: Stamm, David-P45904; wim at idtp.eu; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

The S-Tagger filter from Trados is a very convenient way of translating from
FM. I have used it for 10 different languages, including Russian. You export
rtf files with color-coded tags from FM, so it is very easy to see what to
translate, and what not to touch. Cross-references (like "page 65") are
colored, so the translator knows that that should be left as is. When
importing the translated file, S-Tagger provides you with a list of any
errors that have been made (like deleting a tag by accident), so you can
easily fix it. With mif files it is much more difficult to see what to
translate, and what is code text.
Ragnar Hanas
Uddevalla Hospital,
Sweden

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: wim at idtp.eu; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

2011-11-11-05T14:25Z

Wim -

For one translation, we provided and received .fm files.  For the other
translation, we provided and received .rtf files.

My thought was to provide and receive .fm files; then, convert the
translated .fm files into on-station help.  Translate once; use twice.
(Unfortunately, many persons still do not know of this concept.)

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606


-Original Message-
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 09:20
To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Hi Dave,

If you didn't consider MIF files, what would have been your approach (just
curious ...)?


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel
iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant, Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in
FrameMaker NLDITA Winter 2011 - December 2011 in Utrecht - Special about
localization and translation of DITA and XML content NLDITA Tools 2012 -
April 2012 in Utrecht - Tools and best practices for Authoring, Managing and
Publishing NLDITA Information Energy 2012 - june 2012 in Utrecht and Ghent -
DITA and topic based information development tel. +31652036811 Skype
wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA info at idtp.eu www.idtp.eu www.nldita.nl

FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com [mailto:Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 november 2011 14:53
Aan: wim at idtp.eu; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

2011-11-11-05T13:55Z

Wim -

?Thanks for your encouraging words, expertise, and information!

More than five years ago, we did translate into two foreign languages, so we
do have some experience.  But, the world has turned over many times since
then, and many things have changed.

Your and others' responses tend to reinforce my hope that we can follow the
best-possible course of action as I perceive it.  I had not considered
providing and receiving .mif files.  That would be even simpler.

As circumstances have it, "the powers who are" apparently already have
identified a subcontractor and might already be contractually committed.
So, we'll work with that situation.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606


-Original Message-
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 03:10
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Hi dave,

What exactly are you looking for in terms of consideration?

Translating FM files from English to Portuguese shouldn't be any problem for
a translation agency. Framemaker will support Portuguese in any FM version.
The specific availability of Portuguese dictionary and hyphenation in FM 9
and higher only gives you more control on spelling and hyphenation, but as
Portuguese fits in the basic latin character set it will be displayed ok I
any FM version (5.5, 6, 7, ..).

The procedure for creating HTML help or CHM is the same as you would use for
your English source files. When compiling the CHM set the language to
Portuguese to get Portuguese hyperlinks (for Next, Previous, etc). 

If you've never translated FM files before, my advise is to find a
translation agency nearby. Save your FM files as MIF and send that to them.
In return you'll receive MIF files with Portuguese text, open these in FM
and save as FM. That's it. Again, this will work for any FM version.

To create Help you'll 

Translating English to Portuguese

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2011-11-11-05T14:25Z

Wim -

For one translation, we provided and received .fm files.  For the other 
translation, we provided and received .rtf files.

My thought was to provide and receive .fm files; then, convert the translated 
.fm files into on-station help.  Translate once; use twice.  (Unfortunately, 
many persons still do not know of this concept.)

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606


-Original Message-
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] 
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 09:20
To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Hi Dave,

If you didn't consider MIF files, what would have been your approach (just
curious ...)?


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel
iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant, Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in
FrameMaker
NLDITA Winter 2011 - December 2011 in Utrecht - Special about localization
and translation of DITA and XML content
NLDITA Tools 2012 - April 2012 in Utrecht - Tools and best practices for
Authoring, Managing and Publishing
NLDITA Information Energy 2012 - june 2012 in Utrecht and Ghent - DITA and
topic based information development
tel. +31652036811
Skype wimhooghwinkel
Twitter @idtp @NLDITA
info at idtp.eu 
www.idtp.eu
www.nldita.nl

FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com [mailto:Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 november 2011 14:53
Aan: wim at idtp.eu; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Onderwerp: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

2011-11-11-05T13:55Z

Wim -

?Thanks for your encouraging words, expertise, and information!

More than five years ago, we did translate into two foreign languages, so we
do have some experience.  But, the world has turned over many times since
then, and many things have changed.

Your and others' responses tend to reinforce my hope that we can follow the
best-possible course of action as I perceive it.  I had not considered
providing and receiving .mif files.  That would be even simpler.

As circumstances have it, "the powers who are" apparently already have
identified a subcontractor and might already be contractually committed.
So, we'll work with that situation.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606


-Original Message-
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] 
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 03:10
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Hi dave,

What exactly are you looking for in terms of consideration?

Translating FM files from English to Portuguese shouldn't be any problem for
a translation agency. Framemaker will support Portuguese in any FM version.
The specific availability of Portuguese dictionary and hyphenation in FM 9
and higher only gives you more control on spelling and hyphenation, but as
Portuguese fits in the basic latin character set it will be displayed ok I
any FM version (5.5, 6, 7, ..).

The procedure for creating HTML help or CHM is the same as you would use for
your English source files. When compiling the CHM set the language to
Portuguese to get Portuguese hyperlinks (for Next, Previous, etc). 

If you've never translated FM files before, my advise is to find a
translation agency nearby. Save your FM files as MIF and send that to them.
In return you'll receive MIF files with Portuguese text, open these in FM
and save as FM. That's it. Again, this will work for any FM version.

To create Help you'll need another tool, like Mif2Go, webworks, robohelp, or
other.


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

tel. +31652036811
Skype wimhooghwinkel
Twitter @idtp @NLDITA
info at idtp.eu 
www.idtp.eu
www.nldita.nl

FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu

Translating English to Portuguese

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2011-11-11-05T13:55Z

Wim -

?Thanks for your encouraging words, expertise, and information!

More than five years ago, we did translate into two foreign languages, so we do 
have some experience.  But, the world has turned over many times since then, 
and many things have changed.

Your and others' responses tend to reinforce my hope that we can follow the 
best-possible course of action as I perceive it.  I had not considered 
providing and receiving .mif files.  That would be even simpler.

As circumstances have it, "the powers who are" apparently already have 
identified a subcontractor and might already be contractually committed.  So, 
we'll work with that situation.

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606


-Original Message-
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] 
Sent: 2011-Nov-11-Fri 03:10
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Stamm, David-P45904
Subject: RE: Translating English to Portuguese

Hi dave,

What exactly are you looking for in terms of consideration?

Translating FM files from English to Portuguese shouldn't be any problem for
a translation agency. Framemaker will support Portuguese in any FM version.
The specific availability of Portuguese dictionary and hyphenation in FM 9
and higher only gives you more control on spelling and hyphenation, but as
Portuguese fits in the basic latin character set it will be displayed ok I
any FM version (5.5, 6, 7, ..).

The procedure for creating HTML help or CHM is the same as you would use for
your English source files. When compiling the CHM set the language to
Portuguese to get Portuguese hyperlinks (for Next, Previous, etc). 

If you've never translated FM files before, my advise is to find a
translation agency nearby. Save your FM files as MIF and send that to them.
In return you'll receive MIF files with Portuguese text, open these in FM
and save as FM. That's it. Again, this will work for any FM version.

To create Help you'll need another tool, like Mif2Go, webworks, robohelp, or
other.


Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
Wim Hooghwinkel

tel. +31652036811
Skype wimhooghwinkel
Twitter @idtp @NLDITA
info at idtp.eu 
www.idtp.eu
www.nldita.nl

FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu

Translating English to Portuguese

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2011-11-09-03T18:15Z

FrameMaker 9.0p255

Mif2Go 33U43 (with FrameMaker 8.n)

I've addressed this to three e-mail lists, so my apologies to all who receive 
it more than once.

Will you please help identify the considerations of translating a manual and 
then producing on-station help from the translated files?

In on-station help for FrameMaker 9.0p255, I found verbiage to the effect that 
FrameMaker 8.0 has "Dictionary and hyphenation support . . ." for Portuguese.

Given:
  1.  Source files are to be in English in FrameMaker 9.0p255.
  2.  Source files are to be translated from English to Portuguese.
  3.  From translated source files, we will need to produce either
a.  HTML help (.htm) without context sensitivity or
b.  Compiled HTML help (.chm) with context sensitivity

The source files are in FrameMaker 7.n, and we are confident that we can open 
and save the source files through 8.n and into 9.n.

?Thanks!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer
tel:  260-434-9620
fax:  260.434.9606

Non-breaking hyphen in Index entries

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2011-05-24-02T12:10Z

Nancy -

I suggest and recommend editing "baking at high altitudes" to be "baking, high 
altitudes."

This makes the index entry more concise and might shorten it enough to avoid 
wrapping to the next line.  Sorry, but I don't know whether I've solved this 
problem otherwise.  If it can be done otherwise, I'm sure someone on this list 
will post the solution.

?Good Luck!
Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: 2011-May-23-Mon 16:25
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Non-breaking hyphen in Index entries

I am being driven mad by a teensy technical question that I KNOW I have solved 
in the past.

I have document with chapter-page numbering, and an index entry that is a tad 
long, so it breaks like this:

apple pie, baking at high altitudes, 4-
6

When I go to the correct Reference page, I find the format set up as you would 
expect:

<$chapnum>-<$pagenum>

I have tried replacing the hyphen with Esc hyphen h and with \+

Neither works!

What am I missing? I know I have done this before.

Many thanks. 
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Lea -

Gladly, and thanks for asking.  I managed to flumble Alan's reply, to here 'tis.

Dave Stamm

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  Since both of the second pair of titles are freely available on the 
Web, I suspect it would be worthwhile to obtain them. :-)

There aren't many XSL-FO texts out there, and Pawson's is as good as you 
will find (I would mention Ken Holman's materials as well).  The vendors 
(RenderX and Antenna House) also have some good educational materials 
and examples.

For XSLT, I recall that Tidewell's book was a good primer, but other 
authors (Kay, Tennyson) provide much more depth and breadth with a wider 
variety of examples. The XSLT and XPath Recommendations are also good 
source material -- they can be read and understood by mortals (unlike 
the XSL-FO Recommendation).

Nothing can come close to a real-world project as a motivator for 
understanding these technologies and exposing your knowledge gaps.

Good luck!

-Alan
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Group Wellesley, Inc.
412-363-3481
www.groupwellesley.com
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Subject: RE: Requesting recommendations, professional readings

Hi Dave,

Any chance that you would share the recommendations?

Thanks much,
Lea


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Requesting recommendations, professional readings

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

Alan -

Thanks for the recommendations!  I believe your statement that, "Nothing
can come close to a real-world project as a motivator for understanding
these technologies and exposing your knowledge gaps."

Regards,
Dave Stamm

Requesting recommendations, professional readings

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

To those of you who are experienced transforming information tagged with
mark-up languages -

I have cross-posted this to several lists.  My apologies for
duplications you receive.

Please offer your assessments of the following professional readings for
individual development.  More-specifically, do you believe it would be
worth the expenditure to obtain the second pair of titles?

I have:
_XSLT_, 2d Ed, 2008, by Tidwell and
_XSL-FO_, 1st Ed, 2002, by Pawson   (No 2d Ed "in sight.")

I have had recommended to me but have not obtained:
_Simple_Worldwide_Aggregation_Using_XSLT_   
_XSL-FO_in_the_Real_World_
For links about both, see http://www.cranesoftwrights.com/, near
the bottom of the page.

"Thanks!" in advance for your time, interest, and recommendations.

Dave Stamm

Training in XML, XSLT, XSL-FO

[dave.st...@gdc4s.com]

2010-08-30-01T15:35Z

I'm looking for training (on-line or in-person) in these subjects and
have found some info at

http://www.accelebrate.com/php_xml/default.htm.

I welcome any and all recommendations you have about sources for such
training (and especially about Accelebrate).

Thanks.
Dave Stamm