RE: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...

[mathieu jacquet]

Unfortunately I can only reply that we have the same problem, and that I ended 
up writing docs straight in the wiki (and banging my head on walls). One of ou 
dev did a nice job to produce neat HTMLs from the Wiki, but it is still very 
frech (we're currently profreading the first user's guide written this way). 
For PDF export, nothing matching PDF produced from FM has been done yet.

What I can say is that I am not happy with that, but devs are, because now I'm 
using THEIR tool, and them not MINE. But I'm the sole writer and they're 
stronger than me... :).

Any help on that question would be much appreciated!

Cheers,
Mathieu

From: keith.sol...@tmx.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:02:40 +








You may want to look at the Confluence wiki. I know that there is a DITA  
Confluence tool (Dita2Wiki?) and WebWorks ePublisher will also convert FM to 
Confluence.
 However, I don’t know if it’s possible to go the other way, or to round-trip 
content between FM DITA and Confluence.  According to Sarah Maddox’s book on 
wikis, Confluence will import and export DocBook XML so that might be another 
option.

I’m sure others will comment on this.
Regards,
Keith







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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of rebecca officer

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:03 AM

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...


 

Hi everyone


 


Our docs team (4 of us) creates a many-thousand-page multi-chapter user manual 
in unstructured Frame. Lots of tables and cross-refs.
 Conditional text used to publish several variants. Published as PDFs a couple 
of times a year, delivered online.



 


And the engineers (about 80) have a wiki that's a mish-mash of internal feature 
development info, some of which ends up in the user
 manual.


 


I've been asked to make the user manual and the internal docs use the same 
source, which both writers and engineers would write.
 We want to work collaboratively, stop duplicating effort and come much closer 
to real-time updates.


 


I'll need to include version control, content re-use, status tagging (e.g. 
draft/final), read-only access, and delivery as PDF and
 HTML. While I'm at it, I'd like to do automated builds and publish ebooks.


 


The engineers would like the wiki to be the source. The writers want to stay 
with FM. I'm prepared to make everyone change tools
 (*grin*) but only if we have to.


 


As a complicating factor, the engineers are all on Linux. Getting an FM licence 
per engineer would blow my budget (Adobe, how about
 selling a site licence???), and they'd have to run it in Virtual Box. I'm not 
seeing a happy ending there.


 


I've got plenty of implementation time and can lay my mitts on a programmer or 
two. Budget's not yet set but prob around $20K.


 


So ...


 


Does anyone know of a good tool for round-tripping Framemaker -- Wiki?



 


Should I be looking at XML?


 


Any other thoughts on how I should tackle this?


 


Many thanks

Rebecca


 


 


 


 



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Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...

[mathieu jacquet]

Unfortunately I can only reply that we have the same problem, and that I ended 
up writing docs straight in the wiki (and banging my head on walls). One of ou 
dev did a nice job to produce neat HTMLs from the Wiki, but it is still very 
frech (we're currently profreading the first user's guide written this way). 
For PDF export, nothing matching PDF produced from FM has been done yet.

What I can say is that I am not happy with that, but devs are, because now I'm 
using THEIR tool, and them not MINE. But I'm the sole writer and they're 
stronger than me... :).

Any help on that question would be much appreciated!

Cheers,
Mathieu

From: keith.sol...@tmx.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:02:40 +








You may want to look at the Confluence wiki. I know that there is a DITA > 
Confluence tool (Dita2Wiki?) and WebWorks ePublisher will also convert FM to 
Confluence.
 However, I don?t know if it?s possible to go the other way, or to round-trip 
content between FM DITA and Confluence.  According to Sarah Maddox?s book on 
wikis, Confluence will import and export DocBook XML so that might be another 
option.

I?m sure others will comment on this.
Regards,
Keith







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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of rebecca officer

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:03 AM

To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Single sourcing from Frame and a wiki ... or something ...




Hi everyone





Our docs team (4 of us) creates a many-thousand-page multi-chapter user manual 
in unstructured Frame. Lots of tables and cross-refs.
 Conditional text used to publish several variants. Published as PDFs a couple 
of times a year, delivered online.






And the engineers (about 80) have a wiki that's a mish-mash of internal feature 
development info, some of which ends up in the user
 manual.





I've been asked to make the user manual and the internal docs use the same 
source, which both writers and engineers would write.
 We want to work collaboratively, stop duplicating effort and come much closer 
to real-time updates.





I'll need to include version control, content re-use, status tagging (e.g. 
draft/final), read-only access, and delivery as PDF and
 HTML. While I'm at it, I'd like to do automated builds and publish ebooks.





The engineers would like the wiki to be the source. The writers want to stay 
with FM. I'm prepared to make everyone change tools
 (*grin*) but only if we have to.





As a complicating factor, the engineers are all on Linux. Getting an FM licence 
per engineer would blow my budget (Adobe, how about
 selling a site licence???), and they'd have to run it in Virtual Box. I'm not 
seeing a happy ending there.





I've got plenty of implementation time and can lay my mitts on a programmer or 
two. Budget's not yet set but prob around $20K.





So ...





Does anyone know of a good tool for round-tripping Framemaker <--> Wiki?






Should I be looking at XML?





Any other thoughts on how I should tackle this?





Many thanks

Rebecca















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RE: FrameMaker Confluence 4.x?

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Hi Robert,

I don't know if this can help : 
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Framemaker+native+to+Confluence+-+case+study.

Best regards,
Mathieu

 Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:18:14 -0700
 Subject: Re: FrameMaker  Confluence 4.x?
 From: rob...@lauriston.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Probably, but I already own MIF2Go and have it generating compatible
 XHTML. The challenge is doing it in bulk, converting a whole
 FrameMaker book to a Confluence space.
 
 I only mentioned WebWorks because ePublisher Designer has
 off-the-shelf support for Confluence, so it seems like the obvious
 choice, and maybe would be if you were using Confluence 3.x.
 
 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
  You should be able to configure Webworks to output XHTML 4.0.
 
  Rick
 
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  Subject: FrameMaker  Confluence 4.x?
 
  Is anyone else working on exporting from FrameMaker to Confluence 4.x, or
  actually doing it using anything other than Confluence's Word import (which
  is slick but has some serious bugs) or WebWorks (which generates Confluence
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FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?

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Hi Robert,

I don't know if this can help : 
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Framemaker+native+to+Confluence+-+case+study.

Best regards,
Mathieu

> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:18:14 -0700
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?
> From: robert at lauriston.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Probably, but I already own MIF2Go and have it generating compatible
> XHTML. The challenge is doing it in bulk, converting a whole
> FrameMaker book to a Confluence space.
> 
> I only mentioned WebWorks because ePublisher Designer has
> off-the-shelf support for Confluence, so it seems like the obvious
> choice, and maybe would be if you were using Confluence 3.x.
> 
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> > You should be able to configure Webworks to output XHTML 4.0.
> >
> > Rick
> >
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> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: FrameMaker > Confluence 4.x?
> >
> > Is anyone else working on exporting from FrameMaker to Confluence 4.x, or
> > actually doing it using anything other than Confluence's Word import (which
> > is slick but has some serious bugs) or WebWorks (which generates Confluence
> > 3.x wiki markup rather than 4.x XHTML)?
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RE: Pdf settings

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Thank you all for your help and time...which will help save mine! :)

Have a nice week-end,

Mathieu.

CC: bobi...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
From: qui...@airmail.net
Subject: Re: Pdf settings
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:24:44 -0500
To: r...@rickquatro.com

There is also a third party program from Microtype, called timesavers. It is 
specifically oriented at producing these types of settings during PDF creation.
Scott

On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:04, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

Hi Mathieu, The Settings tab on the PDF Setup dialog box allows you to set open 
options for the PDF created from FrameMaker. Security settings can be quickly 
set for a single PDF for multiple PDFs in Acrobat by using an Action sequence. 
What version of Acrobat are you using? Rick Rick QuatroCarmen Publishing 
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Subject: Pdf settings Hi all,

I'm using FM 9 on Vista 7 64.

After I generate a PDF, I always set a number of parameters such as initial 
view at opening (page layout, zoom, etc.), security parameters, etc.

Is there any way to have those parameters already set in a .ini or any other 
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Pdf settings

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Thank you all for your help and time...which will help save mine! :)

Have a nice week-end,

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Subject: Re: Pdf settings
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 14:24:44 -0500
To: rick at rickquatro.com

There is also a third party program from Microtype, called timesavers. It is 
specifically oriented at producing these types of settings during PDF creation.
Scott

On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:04, "Rick Quatro"  wrote:

Hi Mathieu, The Settings tab on the PDF Setup dialog box allows you to set open 
options for the PDF created from FrameMaker. Security settings can be quickly 
set for a single PDF for multiple PDFs in Acrobat by using an Action sequence. 
What version of Acrobat are you using? Rick Rick QuatroCarmen Publishing 
Inc.585-659-8267rick at frameexpert.com   From: framers-bounces at 
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Subject: Pdf settings Hi all,

I'm using FM 9 on Vista 7 64.

After I generate a PDF, I always set a number of parameters such as initial 
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Pdf settings

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Hi all,

I'm using FM 9 on Vista 7 64.

After I generate a PDF, I always set a number of parameters such as initial 
view at opening (page layout, zoom, etc.), security parameters, etc.

Is there any way to have those parameters already set in a .ini or any other 
file, to avoid the task of setting them after pdf generation?

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[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I'm using FM 9 on Vista 7 64.

After I generate a PDF, I always set a number of parameters such as initial 
view at opening (page layout, zoom, etc.), security parameters, etc.

Is there any way to have those parameters already set in a .ini or any other 
file, to avoid the task of setting them after pdf generation?

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RE: warnings, cautions, notes in sw documentation

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Hi hessiansx4,

Here is how we define them in our doc:

. Warning mention (+ pictogram): WARNING indicates a potentially hazardous 
situation which, if not avoided, can result in death or serious injury.

. Caution mention (+ picto): CAUTION indicates a potentially hazardous 
situation which, if not avoided, can result in minor or moderate injury.

. Caution mention (without picto): CAUTION, used without the safety alert 
symbol, indicates a potentially hazardous situation which, if not avoided, can 
result in equipment damage.

We talk about equipment damage because our soft is used for remote equipment 
control.

Mathieu.

 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:42:37 -0700
 From: hessian...@yahoo.com
 Subject: warnings, cautions, notes in sw documentation
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Hello all! I've noticed that the legacy docs I'm currently working on use 
 notes and warnings (no cautions) for a software product. I asked why a 
 warning was used instead of a caution and was told: that's the way we do it 
 here. I've only used warnings when bodily harm could result from some action. 
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Hi hessiansx4,

Here is how we define them in our doc:

. Warning mention (+ pictogram): WARNING indicates a potentially hazardous 
situation which, if not avoided, can result in death or serious injury.

. Caution mention (+ picto): CAUTION indicates a potentially hazardous 
situation which, if not avoided, can result in minor or moderate injury.

. Caution mention (without picto): CAUTION, used without the safety alert 
symbol, indicates a potentially hazardous situation which, if not avoided, can 
result in equipment damage.

We talk about "equipment damage" because our soft is used for remote equipment 
control.

Mathieu.

> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:42:37 -0700
> From: hessiansx4 at yahoo.com
> Subject: warnings, cautions, notes in sw documentation
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Hello all! I've noticed that the legacy docs I'm currently working on use 
> notes and warnings (no cautions) for a software product. I asked why a 
> warning was used instead of a caution and was told: that's the way we do it 
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Variables in headings - Formatting issue

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Dear all,

I'm using FM9 on Windows 7 64-bit.

I have a number of variables in headings. Some of my headings are defined as 
small capitals.

When I import a text inset including this kind of headings,  variables appear 
in lower case and I have to apply default font on each of them (after text 
conversion).

Have you encountered this problem yourself?

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Variables in headings - Formatting issue

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

I'm using FM9 on Windows 7 64-bit.

I have a number of variables in headings. Some of my headings are defined as 
small capitals.

When I import a text inset including this kind of headings,  variables appear 
in lower case and I have to apply "default font" on each of them (after text 
conversion).

Have you encountered this problem yourself?

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RE: Xref marker following Text inset

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you all!

I'll try your different methods and keep you posted.

Have a nice day,
Mathieu.

From: bfetz...@amsc.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:47:12 -0400
Subject: RE: Xref marker following Text inset

Another way to isolate adjacent markers without changing the text is to put the 
cursor at the back of the second of the two markers. Then hit shift-left arrow 
to move the cursor one character back (same process you might use to extend the 
range of highlighted text, one character at a time). Of course you can start 
from the other side of the adjacent markers and use shift-right arrow. 
~ Bill 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:03 AM
To: mathieu jacquet; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Xref marker following Text inset
 
mathieu jacquet wrote: 
 
 Here is my problem: I have a number of text insets, in a file, for
 which the character immediately following the inset is a X-ref marker.
 
 When updating the text inset, the marker disappears, leading to an
 unresolved X-ref problem afterwards.
 
 How would you manage that? I tried cutting the marker to paste it
 elsewhere (for example one character to the right) in my reference, but
 I cannot even select it, the whole text inset is highlighted then.
 
Are you sure the marker is part of the container document, not the text inset? 
If so, put the insertion point to the right of the marker. Use the left arrow 
key to move it between the marker and the text inset. Then press Crtrl-space to 
insert a non-breaking space between the two. Then, if you wish, you should be 
able to select and cut the marker. 
 
HTH!
 
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Xref marker following Text inset

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you all!

I'll try your different methods and keep you posted.

Have a nice day,
Mathieu.

From: bfetz...@amsc.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:47:12 -0400
Subject: RE: Xref marker following Text inset

Another way to isolate adjacent markers without changing the text is to put the 
cursor at the back of the second of the two markers. Then hit shift-left arrow 
to move the cursor one character back (same process you might use to extend the 
range of highlighted text, one character at a time). Of course you can start 
from the other side of the adjacent markers and use shift-right arrow. 
~ Bill 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:03 AM
To: mathieu jacquet; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Xref marker following Text inset

mathieu jacquet wrote: 

> Here is my problem: I have a number of text insets, in a file, for
> which the character immediately following the inset is a X-ref marker.
> 
> When updating the text inset, the marker disappears, leading to an
> unresolved X-ref problem afterwards.
> 
> How would you manage that? I tried cutting the marker to paste it
> elsewhere (for example one character to the right) in my reference, but
> I cannot even select it, the whole text inset is highlighted then.

Are you sure the marker is part of the container document, not the text inset? 
If so, put the insertion point to the right of the marker. Use the left arrow 
key to move it between the marker and the text inset. Then press Crtrl-space to 
insert a non-breaking space between the two. Then, if you wish, you should be 
able to select and cut the marker. 

HTH!

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Xref marker following Text inset

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear Framers,

I am using unstructured FM 9 on 64-bit Windows 7.

Here is my problem: I have a number of text insets, in a file, for which the 
character immediately following the inset is a X-ref marker.

When updating the text inset, the marker disappears, leading to an unresolved 
X-ref problem afterwards.

How would you manage that? I tried cutting the marker to paste it elsewhere 
(for example one character to the right) in my reference, but I cannot even 
select it, the whole text inset is highlighted then.

Thank you all for your help,
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Xref marker following Text inset

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear Framers,

I am using unstructured FM 9 on 64-bit Windows 7.

Here is my problem: I have a number of text insets, in a file, for which the 
character immediately following the inset is a X-ref marker.

When updating the text inset, the marker disappears, leading to an unresolved 
X-ref problem afterwards.

How would you manage that? I tried cutting the marker to paste it elsewhere 
(for example one character to the right) in my reference, but I cannot even 
select it, the whole text inset is highlighted then.

Thank you all for your help,
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RE: FM Book - New file = New page?

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you all -

In fact I'm trying to find the best possible way to atomize (or 
modularize...or granularize..I don't know which term suits best) our 
information, to avoid redundancy and be able to reuse redundant content easily 
between books. This was an option in my mind (create files including atomic 
information, then assemble them as needed in books). But as pointed out by 
Richard and others, better use text insets instead.

Cheers and thank you again !
Mathieu.

 From: richard.co...@polycom.com
 To: bobi...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 15:00:45 -0700
 Subject: RE: FM Book - New file = New page?
 
 mathieu jacquet wrote:
  
  Just one short question : is it possible to have the content of one
  file of a book appear directly under the content of the preceding file
  (when publishing as pdf), and not on a new page? If so, what kind of
  setting does it require ?
 
 No. In keeping with FM's book paradigm, an FM file is intended to be a 
 chapter/section. For each file, you decide whether it starts on a right, 
 left, or next available page. 
 
 I suspect it would be quite difficult to program the application to flow text 
 across chapter files without treating each as a discreet entity. And I don't 
 see the point. If you want a section of text to follow the preceding section 
 without a page break, just add it to that chapter file. 
 
 Or, if that section of text is something you want to include in multiple 
 places, put it in a file by itself and then import it (by reference) as a 
 text inset into the chapter files where you want it to appear.
 
 
 Richard G. Combs
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FM Book - New file = New page?

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Dear all,

I am using FM 9 on Windows 7 64 bits.

Just one short question : is it possible to have the content of one file of a 
book appear directly under the content of the preceding file (when publishing 
as pdf), and not on a new page? If so, what kind of setting does it require ?

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RE: OT: Translation cost comparison

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Hi Roy,

prices should be the same as long as you pay a per word price. Whether your 
document is written in Word or Frame does not matter, it contains the same 
number of words.
Vendors charging extra cost for layout, image translating etc. just try to 
add as many items as they can on the bill, but this only shows they do not know 
how to handle graphics, Visio docs etc.

I am a translator myself, and I only stick to one thing: the number of words I 
translate, whether they come from a pdf, a PPT, Frame, Doc or any other source 
doc, and at a fixed rate. And if I do not know how to handle it, I recommend a 
colleague who knows how to!

Cheers,
Mathieu (Toulouse, France).

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:15:56 -0800
From: roy_g_le...@yahoo.com
Subject: OT: Translation cost comparison
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

I apologize for going off topic but can anyone point to figures that compares 
translation costs for Framemaker documents compared to MSWord documents. 
Someone told me Frame was generally cheaper, but they could not supply a source 
for the data.
Thanks,
Roy



  
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OT: Translation cost comparison

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi Roy,

prices should be the same as long as you pay a "per word" price. Whether your 
document is written in Word or Frame does not matter, it contains the same 
number of words.
Vendors charging extra cost for "layout", "image translating" etc. just try to 
add as many items as they can on the bill, but this only shows they do not know 
how to handle graphics, Visio docs etc.

I am a translator myself, and I only stick to one thing: the number of words I 
translate, whether they come from a pdf, a PPT, Frame, Doc or any other source 
doc, and at a fixed rate. And if I do not know how to handle it, I recommend a 
colleague who knows how to!

Cheers,
Mathieu (Toulouse, France).

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:15:56 -0800
From: roy_g_le...@yahoo.com
Subject: OT: Translation cost comparison
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com

I apologize for going off topic but can anyone point to figures that compares 
translation costs for Framemaker documents compared to MSWord documents. 
Someone told me Frame was generally cheaper, but they could not supply a source 
for the data.
Thanks,
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RE: SDL Author Assistant

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Hi Seb,

have you tried the SDL support? They are pretty helpful (we're not expecting 
less from a support...) and responsive (provided that you get a Premium support 
membership). You can drop them a message or call them straight, there's always 
somebody to reply or call you back relatively fast.

Best regards,
Mathieu.

 Subject: SDL Author Assistant
 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:37:49 +0530
 From: sebastian.arockias...@ge.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Hi Framers, 
 
  
 
 I am trying to set up SDL author assistant with FM 9. I have created a
 local profile and I want to host that on a server for two reasons.
 
  
 
 1.   The latest profile is available to all writers at any time
 
 2.   I should be able to update the profile anytime
 
  
 
 Can you help me to setup the profile server online using http or point
 me to some link that has this information? 
 
  
 
 Thanks for your help. 
 
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SDL Author Assistant

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Hi Seb,

have you tried the SDL support? They are pretty helpful (we're not expecting 
less from a support...) and responsive (provided that you get a Premium support 
membership). You can drop them a message or call them straight, there's always 
somebody to reply or call you back "relatively" fast.

Best regards,
Mathieu.

> Subject: SDL Author Assistant
> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 15:37:49 +0530
> From: Sebastian.Arockiasamy at ge.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Hi Framers, 
> 
>  
> 
> I am trying to set up SDL author assistant with FM 9. I have created a
> local profile and I want to host that on a server for two reasons.
> 
>  
> 
> 1.   The latest profile is available to all writers at any time
> 
> 2.   I should be able to update the profile anytime
> 
>  
> 
> Can you help me to setup the profile server online using http or point
> me to some link that has this information? 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your help. 
> 
> Sebastian A
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Wikis vs FM

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

I'm reading here and there that a number of companies consider moving their 
documentation to a Wiki. One of my clients did so a couple of months ago.

What are the limitations of a Wiki such as Confluence compared to FM? Can a 
Wiki be the single source of data, and does it allow exporting to formats such 
as those offered by MiF2Go for instance?

Thank you all for your expertise,

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[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

I'm reading here and there that a number of companies consider moving their 
documentation to a Wiki. One of my clients did so a couple of months ago.

What are the limitations of a Wiki such as Confluence compared to FM? Can a 
Wiki be the single source of data, and does it allow exporting to formats such 
as those offered by MiF2Go for instance?

Thank you all for your expertise,

Mathieu.

[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy

[mathieu jacquet]

FrameMaker 9 is 999 $ (717 ?) in the US and 1600 $ (1148 ?) in France...

> From: lea at astoria-pacific.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:32:50 -0700
> 
> Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;)
> 
> 
> _ 
> Lea Rush 
> Software and Documentation Specialist 
> Astoria-Pacific International 
> www.astoria-pacific.com
> ph: 800-536-3111 
> fax:  503-655-7367 
> lea at astoria-pacific.com
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM
> > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion
> > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> > 
> > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :)
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
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> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion
> > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> > 
> > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab.
> > 
> > *scratches head*
> > 
> > Nadine
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Yves Barbion 
> > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group
> > >
> > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full,
> > > no
> > > update) costs:
> > >
> > >- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store
> > >http://bit.ly/aXhtLv
> > >- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store
> > >- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3
> > >
> > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me
> > > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer
> > > free support". But I don't need support!
> > >
> > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can
> > > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me
> > > with my product selection. This is the result:
> > >
> > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative.
> > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your
> > > selection today?
> > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you?
> > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs
> > > $299 in the US
> > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this
> > > HUGE difference in price?
> > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are
> > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price.
> > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing
> > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference
> > > in the perceived value of the product'.
> > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the
> > > software?
> > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why?
> > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing
> > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference
> > > in the perceived value of the product'.
> > >
> > > Huh?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

thank you for your valuable help. I will try all of these and let you know how 
it worked.

Cheers,
Mathieu.

 From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 To: richard.co...@polycom.com; bobi...@hotmail.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:30:44 -0700
 Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
 
  -- In Acrobat, select Document  Reduce File Size. I haven't used this 
  much, but it shrunk a 4.2 MB file to 2.5 MB. Graphics quality may be 
  somewhat lower, but I'm not sure, since the PDF came from elsewhere.
 
 I've tried this method and discovered it reduces some image quality (in my 
 files, at least) to an unacceptable level.
 
 Instead, I've found using Advanced  PDF Optimizer a better solution as it 
 allows me to specify the Image Downsample parameters.
 
 Alison
 
 Alison Craig, Technical Writer
 Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
 Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
 E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
  
  
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 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:50 PM
 To: mathieu jacquet
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
 
 mathieu jacquet wrote: 
  
  No, I do not. Is there a special tool for optimizing PDFs?
 
 Here are some things you might experiment with to see which ones provide an 
 acceptable combination of size reduction and graphics quality: 
 
 -- In Distiller, try the Smallest File Size job options (a.k.a, Adobe PDF 
 Settings). 
 
 -- In Distiller, create a new job options file and experiment with different 
 image downsampling and compression settings. 
 
 -- In Acrobat, open the PDF and do a File  Save As to the same name. This is 
 the one I use routinely. Doing a Save As on a new PDF significantly reduces 
 the file size with no quality compromise that I can detect. 
 
 -- In Acrobat, select Document  Reduce File Size. I haven't used this much, 
 but it shrunk a 4.2 MB file to 2.5 MB. Graphics quality may be somewhat 
 lower, but I'm not sure, since the PDF came from elsewhere. 
 
 HTH!
 
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Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

thank you for your valuable help. I will try all of these and let you know how 
it worked.

Cheers,
Mathieu.

> From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com
> To: richard.combs at Polycom.com; bobitch at hotmail.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:30:44 -0700
> Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
> 
> >> -- In Acrobat, select Document > Reduce File Size. I haven't used this 
> >> much, but it shrunk a 4.2 MB file to 2.5 MB. Graphics quality may be 
> >> somewhat lower, but I'm not sure, since the PDF came from elsewhere.
> 
> I've tried this method and discovered it reduces some image quality (in my 
> files, at least) to an unacceptable level.
> 
> Instead, I've found using Advanced > PDF Optimizer a better solution as it 
> allows me to specify the Image Downsample parameters.
> 
> Alison
> 
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
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> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: mathieu jacquet
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
> 
> mathieu jacquet wrote: 
>  
> > No, I do not. Is there a special tool for optimizing PDFs?
> 
> Here are some things you might experiment with to see which ones provide an 
> acceptable combination of size reduction and graphics quality: 
> 
> -- In Distiller, try the Smallest File Size job options (a.k.a, Adobe PDF 
> Settings). 
> 
> -- In Distiller, create a new job options file and experiment with different 
> image downsampling and compression settings. 
> 
> -- In Acrobat, open the PDF and do a File > Save As to the same name. This is 
> the one I use routinely. Doing a Save As on a new PDF significantly reduces 
> the file size with no quality compromise that I can detect. 
> 
> -- In Acrobat, select Document > Reduce File Size. I haven't used this much, 
> but it shrunk a 4.2 MB file to 2.5 MB. Graphics quality may be somewhat 
> lower, but I'm not sure, since the PDF came from elsewhere. 
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

what is the average weight in Ko of your screenshots and illustrations? My docs 
are pretty heavy (up to 15-20 Mo), with graphics (mostly png) being around 15 
Ko-70 Ko in average. That looks too much. What would the best solution be to 
reduce their weight (in batch if possible)? 

Thank you in anticipation for your help,
Mathieu.
  
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RE: Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you Nadine and Richard,

To answer Richard's questions:

  I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
  heaviness. Is that a French idiom? 

Yes, that was a linguistic calque from the French poids d'un fichier :o). 

  
  To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
  file sizes, you should probably provide more context. These
  docs that are 15-20 Mo (MB) -- are they PDFs? Or your FM
  source files? Or something else? 
  

I am talking about PDFs. I have seen 500-pages PDFs with hundreds of images not 
bigger that 5 Mb, and mine contain about 250 graphics for a good 20 Mb in 
average, so it makes me think there might be something rotten in my graphics 
kingdom.

  What graphics programs do you use to create and manipulate
  these graphics? What version of FM are you using? Are you
  importing by reference or copying into the document? 

I am using FM9 on Vista 64. I only import them by reference.
Graphics are mostly screenshots taken with Snag-It and saved as png (True 
Colour 24 bits). I have a couple of .eps with very specific Pantone colours but 
not much (maybe one or two of about 400 Kb each).

  
  If the heavy docs are PDFs, what version of Acrobat and
  what job options are you using? 

I am using Acrobat 9.O with Standard quality (French calque again :) ) job 
option.

  
  There are graphics gurus on the list (I'm not one of them)
  who can probably offer useful advice once they understand
  the question and have a little more detail. :-) 

Here they are :). 

Thank you all for your help,

Mathieu.

 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:01:54 -0700
 From: generic...@yahoo.ca
 Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
 To: bobi...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com; 
 richard.co...@polycom.com
 
 If I recall correctly, images that are copied into FM, rather than 
 referenced, make for larger PDFs.
 
 Nadine
 
 --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote:
 
  From: Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
  Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
  To: mathieu jacquet bobi...@hotmail.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com 
  framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:45 AM
  mathieu jacquet wrote:
   
   what is the average weight in Ko of your screenshots
  and illustrations? My
   docs are pretty heavy (up to 15-20 Mo), with graphics
  (mostly png) being
   around 15 Ko-70 Ko in average. That looks too much.
  What would the best
   solution be to reduce their weight (in batch if
  possible)?
  
  I had a vague recollection that octet is synonymous with
  byte, and a quick trip to Wikipedia confirmed that your
  references to Ko and Mo are probably file sizes. But
  I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
  heaviness. Is that a French idiom? 
  
  To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
  file sizes, you should probably provide more context. These
  docs that are 15-20 Mo (MB) -- are they PDFs? Or your FM
  source files? Or something else? 
  
  What graphics programs do you use to create and manipulate
  these graphics? What version of FM are you using? Are you
  importing by reference or copying into the document? 
  
  If the heavy docs are PDFs, what version of Acrobat and
  what job options are you using? 
  
  There are graphics gurus on the list (I'm not one of them)
  who can probably offer useful advice once they understand
  the question and have a little more detail. :-) 
  
  
  Richard G. Combs
  Senior Technical Writer
  Polycom, Inc.
  richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
  303-223-5111
  --
  rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
  303-903-6372
  --
  
  
  
  
  
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RE: Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you Art,

No, I do not. Is there a special tool for optimizing PDFs?

Best regards,
Mathieu

 From: art.campb...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:58:37 -0400
 Subject: Re: Graphics average weight
 To: bobi...@hotmail.com
 CC: generic...@yahoo.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com; 
 richard.co...@polycom.com
 
 Are you optimizing / reducing the size of the PDF with Acrobat after
 you generate it?
 
 
 Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
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 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
   No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
 
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM, mathieu jacquet bobi...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Thank you Nadine and Richard,
 
  To answer Richard's questions:
 
   I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
   heaviness. Is that a French idiom?
 
  Yes, that was a linguistic calque from the French poids d'un fichier 
  :o).
 
  
   To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
   file sizes, you should probably provide more context. These
   docs that are 15-20 Mo (MB) -- are they PDFs? Or your FM
   source files? Or something else?
  
 
  I am talking about PDFs. I have seen 500-pages PDFs with hundreds of images 
  not bigger that 5 Mb, and mine contain about 250 graphics for a good 20 Mb 
  in average, so it makes me think there might be something rotten in my 
  graphics kingdom.
 
   What graphics programs do you use to create and manipulate
   these graphics? What version of FM are you using? Are you
   importing by reference or copying into the document?
 
  I am using FM9 on Vista 64. I only import them by reference.
  Graphics are mostly screenshots taken with Snag-It and saved as png (True 
  Colour 24 bits). I have a couple of .eps with very specific Pantone colours 
  but not much (maybe one or two of about 400 Kb each).
 
  
   If the heavy docs are PDFs, what version of Acrobat and
   what job options are you using?
 
  I am using Acrobat 9.O with Standard quality (French calque again :) ) 
  job option.
 
  
   There are graphics gurus on the list (I'm not one of them)
   who can probably offer useful advice once they understand
   the question and have a little more detail. :-)
 
  Here they are :).
 
  Thank you all for your help,
 
  Mathieu.
 
  Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:01:54 -0700
  From: generic...@yahoo.ca
  Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
  To: bobi...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com; 
  richard.co...@polycom.com
 
  If I recall correctly, images that are copied into FM, rather than 
  referenced, make for larger PDFs.
 
  Nadine
 
  --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote:
 
   From: Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com
   Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
   To: mathieu jacquet bobi...@hotmail.com, 
   framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
   Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:45 AM
   mathieu jacquet wrote:
  
what is the average weight in Ko of your screenshots
   and illustrations? My
docs are pretty heavy (up to 15-20 Mo), with graphics
   (mostly png) being
around 15 Ko-70 Ko in average. That looks too much.
   What would the best
solution be to reduce their weight (in batch if
   possible)?
  
   I had a vague recollection that octet is synonymous with
   byte, and a quick trip to Wikipedia confirmed that your
   references to Ko and Mo are probably file sizes. But
   I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
   heaviness. Is that a French idiom?
  
   To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
   file sizes, you should probably provide more context. These
   docs that are 15-20 Mo (MB) -- are they PDFs? Or your FM
   source files? Or something else?
  
   What graphics programs do you use to create and manipulate
   these graphics? What version of FM are you using? Are you
   importing by reference or copying into the document?
  
   If the heavy docs are PDFs, what version of Acrobat and
   what job options are you using?
  
   There are graphics gurus on the list (I'm not one of them)
   who can probably offer useful advice once they understand
   the question and have a little more detail. :-)
  
  
   Richard G. Combs
   Senior Technical Writer
   Polycom, Inc.
   richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
   303-223-5111
   --
   rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
   303-903-6372
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Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

what is the average weight in Ko of your screenshots and illustrations? My docs 
are pretty heavy (up to 15-20 Mo), with graphics (mostly png) being around 15 
Ko-70 Ko in average. That looks too much. What would the best solution be to 
reduce their weight (in batch if possible)? 

Thank you in anticipation for your help,
Mathieu.

Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you Nadine and Richard,

To answer Richard's questions:

> > I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
> > heaviness. Is that a French idiom? 

Yes, that was a linguistic "calque" from the French "poids d'un fichier" :o). 

> > 
> > To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
> > file sizes, you should probably provide more context. These
> > docs that are 15-20 Mo (MB) -- are they PDFs? Or your FM
> > source files? Or something else? 
> > 

I am talking about PDFs. I have seen 500-pages PDFs with hundreds of images not 
bigger that 5 Mb, and mine contain about 250 graphics for a good 20 Mb in 
average, so it makes me think there might be something rotten in my graphics 
kingdom.

> > What graphics programs do you use to create and manipulate
> > these graphics? What version of FM are you using? Are you
> > importing by reference or copying into the document? 

I am using FM9 on Vista 64. I only import them by reference.
Graphics are mostly screenshots taken with Snag-It and saved as png (True 
Colour 24 bits). I have a couple of .eps with very specific Pantone colours but 
not much (maybe one or two of about 400 Kb each).

> > 
> > If the "heavy" docs are PDFs, what version of Acrobat and
> > what job options are you using? 

I am using Acrobat 9.O with "Standard quality" (French calque again :) ) job 
option.

> > 
> > There are graphics gurus on the list (I'm not one of them)
> > who can probably offer useful advice once they understand
> > the question and have a little more detail. :-) 

Here they are :). 

Thank you all for your help,

Mathieu.

> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:01:54 -0700
> From: generic668 at yahoo.ca
> Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
> To: bobitch at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com; richard.combs at 
> Polycom.com
> 
> If I recall correctly, images that are copied into FM, rather than 
> referenced, make for larger PDFs.
> 
> Nadine
> 
> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> 
> > From: Combs, Richard 
> > Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
> > To: "mathieu jacquet" , "framers at 
> > lists.frameusers.com" 
> > Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:45 AM
> > mathieu jacquet wrote:
> >  
> > > what is the average weight in Ko of your screenshots
> > and illustrations? My
> > > docs are pretty heavy (up to 15-20 Mo), with graphics
> > (mostly png) being
> > > around 15 Ko-70 Ko in average. That looks too much.
> > What would the best
> > > solution be to reduce their weight (in batch if
> > possible)?
> > 
> > I had a vague recollection that "octet" is synonymous with
> > "byte," and a quick trip to Wikipedia confirmed that your
> > references to "Ko" and "Mo" are probably file sizes. But
> > I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
> > heaviness. Is that a French idiom? 
> > 
> > To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
> > file sizes, you should probably provide more context. These
> > docs that are 15-20 Mo (MB) -- are they PDFs? Or your FM
> > source files? Or something else? 
> > 
> > What graphics programs do you use to create and manipulate
> > these graphics? What version of FM are you using? Are you
> > importing by reference or copying into the document? 
> > 
> > If the "heavy" docs are PDFs, what version of Acrobat and
> > what job options are you using? 
> > 
> > There are graphics gurus on the list (I'm not one of them)
> > who can probably offer useful advice once they understand
> > the question and have a little more detail. :-) 
> > 
> > 
> > Richard G. Combs
> > Senior Technical Writer
> > Polycom, Inc.
> > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> > 303-223-5111
> > --
> > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> > 303-903-6372
> > --
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Graphics average weight

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you Art,

No, I do not. Is there a special tool for optimizing PDFs?

Best regards,
Mathieu

> From: art.campbell at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:58:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: Graphics average weight
> To: bobitch at hotmail.com
> CC: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; richard.combs at 
> polycom.com
> 
> Are you optimizing / reducing the size of the PDF with Acrobat after
> you generate it?
> 
> 
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>        DoD 358
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM, mathieu jacquet  
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Nadine and Richard,
> >
> > To answer Richard's questions:
> >
> >> > I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
> >> > heaviness. Is that a French idiom?
> >
> > Yes, that was a linguistic "calque" from the French "poids d'un fichier" 
> > :o).
> >
> >> >
> >> > To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
> >> > file sizes, you should probably provide more context. These
> >> > docs that are 15-20 Mo (MB) -- are they PDFs? Or your FM
> >> > source files? Or something else?
> >> >
> >
> > I am talking about PDFs. I have seen 500-pages PDFs with hundreds of images 
> > not bigger that 5 Mb, and mine contain about 250 graphics for a good 20 Mb 
> > in average, so it makes me think there might be something rotten in my 
> > graphics kingdom.
> >
> >> > What graphics programs do you use to create and manipulate
> >> > these graphics? What version of FM are you using? Are you
> >> > importing by reference or copying into the document?
> >
> > I am using FM9 on Vista 64. I only import them by reference.
> > Graphics are mostly screenshots taken with Snag-It and saved as png (True 
> > Colour 24 bits). I have a couple of .eps with very specific Pantone colours 
> > but not much (maybe one or two of about 400 Kb each).
> >
> >> >
> >> > If the "heavy" docs are PDFs, what version of Acrobat and
> >> > what job options are you using?
> >
> > I am using Acrobat 9.O with "Standard quality" (French calque again :) ) 
> > job option.
> >
> >> >
> >> > There are graphics gurus on the list (I'm not one of them)
> >> > who can probably offer useful advice once they understand
> >> > the question and have a little more detail. :-)
> >
> > Here they are :).
> >
> > Thank you all for your help,
> >
> > Mathieu.
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:01:54 -0700
> >> From: generic668 at yahoo.ca
> >> Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
> >> To: bobitch at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com; richard.combs 
> >> at Polycom.com
> >>
> >> If I recall correctly, images that are copied into FM, rather than 
> >> referenced, make for larger PDFs.
> >>
> >> Nadine
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 10/21/10, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> >>
> >> > From: Combs, Richard 
> >> > Subject: RE: Graphics average weight
> >> > To: "mathieu jacquet" , "framers at 
> >> > lists.frameusers.com" 
> >> > Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 11:45 AM
> >> > mathieu jacquet wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > what is the average weight in Ko of your screenshots
> >> > and illustrations? My
> >> > > docs are pretty heavy (up to 15-20 Mo), with graphics
> >> > (mostly png) being
> >> > > around 15 Ko-70 Ko in average. That looks too much.
> >> > What would the best
> >> > > solution be to reduce their weight (in batch if
> >> > possible)?
> >> >
> >> > I had a vague recollection that "octet" is synonymous with
> >> > "byte," and a quick trip to Wikipedia confirmed that your
> >> > references to "Ko" and "Mo" are probably file sizes. But
> >> > I've never seen file sizes discussed in terms of weight and
> >> > heaviness. Is that a French idiom?
> >> >
> >> > To get meaningful recommendations for reducing graphics
> >> > file si

FrameScript menu disappearing

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I'm running FM9 on Vista 64.

I downloaded WebWorks yesterday to perform some tests regarding an FM - 
Confluence migration. Now, my FrameScript menu has disappeared and only 
Snag-It, Pubs-Tools (for the BookVars plugin), Tools (for Paragraph and 
Character Tools) and WebWorks menus are displayed. 

How can I easily manage such menus, for example to have the Snag-It menu (which 
I do not use) replaced by the FrameScript menu?

Thank you all,

Mathieu.
  
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[RESOLVED] FrameScript menu disappearing

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you Klaus and Rick,

that was just an installation problem... Can't tell where it came from, but fsl 
entries had disappeared from the maker.ini.

Cheers,
Mathieu.

 From: klaus.muel...@itl.eu
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 CC: bobi...@hotmail.com
 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:23:54 +0200
 Subject: RE: FrameScript menu disappearing
 
 Hello Mathieu, 
 
  How can I easily manage such menus
 
 You might want to take a look at the script Group Plug-in Menus:
 http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/group-plug-in-menus.html
 
 Kind regards, 
 Klaus Müller, itl AG
 
 
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet
 Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:12 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: FrameScript menu disappearing
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm running FM9 on Vista 64.
 
 I downloaded WebWorks yesterday to perform some tests regarding an FM - 
 Confluence migration. Now, my FrameScript menu has disappeared and only 
 Snag-It, Pubs-Tools (for the BookVars plugin), Tools (for Paragraph and 
 Character Tools) and WebWorks menus are displayed. 
 
 How can I easily manage such menus, for example to have the Snag-It menu 
 (which I do not use) replaced by the FrameScript menu?
 
 Thank you all,
 
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FrameScript menu disappearing

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I'm running FM9 on Vista 64.

I downloaded WebWorks yesterday to perform some tests regarding an FM -> 
Confluence migration. Now, my FrameScript menu has disappeared and only 
Snag-It, Pubs-Tools (for the BookVars plugin), Tools (for Paragraph and 
Character Tools) and WebWorks menus are displayed. 

How can I easily manage such menus, for example to have the Snag-It menu (which 
I do not use) replaced by the FrameScript menu?

Thank you all,

Mathieu.

FrameMaker to Confluence

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I was recently wondering how to convert FM files for integration into a 
Confluence Wiki. 

Here is a very recent tuto I have found on this issue: 
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Framemaker+native+to+Confluence+-+case+study.
 

Currently working on it...I'll keep you posted. Has any of you ever tried it 
before?

Cheers,
Mathieu.

P.S.: thank you David for sharing this.
  
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FrameMaker to Confluence

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I was recently wondering how to convert FM files for integration into a 
Confluence Wiki. 

Here is a very recent tuto I have found on this issue: 
http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DISC/Framemaker+native+to+Confluence+-+case+study.
 

Currently working on it...I'll keep you posted. Has any of you ever tried it 
before?

Cheers,
Mathieu.

P.S.: thank you David for sharing this.

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From DocBook to FrameMaker

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi everybody,

I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. 

I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also 
read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. 
I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is 
it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that 
nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, 
how much work would it be to turn an unstructured light FM document (3 
chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ?

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RE: From DocBook to FrameMaker

[mathieu jacquet]

Well, I have not been clear enough.

We actually have a lot of content in DocBook, and very little in unstructured 
FM (one book only, 3 chapters, about 75 pages) so far. The thing is, if we need 
structured FM to import DocBook files, then I'd like also to turn my 
unstructured book into a structured one, for the whole documentation to be 
consistent.

Cheers,
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 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:30:16 -0500
 Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
 From: chinask...@gmail.com
 To: bobi...@hotmail.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and
 reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you
 would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with
 EDDs.
 
 On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquet bobi...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi everybody,
 
  I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9.
 
  I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've 
  also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the 
  proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question 
  is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it 
  require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM 
  for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an 
  unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a 
  structured one ?
 
  Thank you all for your valuable expertise,
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RE: From DocBook to FrameMaker

[mathieu jacquet]

My post might be unclear because I do not know neither DocBook nor structured 
Frame.

I created a Getting Started Guide in unstructured Frame. As said before, it is 
really light (cover, TOC, LOF, LOT, 3 chapters). The client is very happy with 
styles, content, etc.

Now, he is telling me that his/her developers have a lot of content in DocBook 
format. He would like this content to be imported in Frame, for a PDF to be 
produced from it using the styles I created in my unstructured FM doc.

He would also like my Frame content (I am now working on user guides and so on) 
to be converted into DocBook format (well, XML, or even HTML format) for 
insertion into their Confluence Wiki.

In a word, he would like:
. me to write in Frame to produce my own documentation, then export it into PDF 
and XML/HTML for insertion into their Confluence Wiki.
. his/her developers to produce their own documentation (when too technical for 
me) in their Confluence Wiki (DocBook or DITA format, he told me), then import 
it in my FM doc (as appendixes for example).

So what would be the best solution for me and them ?

For me, just generate what I produced in flat FrameMaker as XML or HTML, and 
have them insert the HTML content into their Confluence wiki using the proper 
CSS ?
For them, just give me their content, which I would copy as plain text in my 
flat FM files, then apply required FM styles and generate the PDF ?

Thank you all for your help,
Mathieu.

 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:29:33 -0400
 Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
 From: bjloc...@lockie.ca
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 
  Hi everybody,
 
  I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9.
 
  I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've
  also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the
  proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question
  is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it
  require to achieve that nicely ?
 
 Do you want to use structured Frame to edit DocBook?
 Do a web search for use structured Frame to edit DocBook.
 
 
  Also, is it mandatory to use structured
  FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an
  unstructured light FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a
  structured one ?
 
 It depends how complex the document is.
 A rough guestimate is 5 days just to get it in structure form.
 
 What are your requirements for publishing it?
 
  Thank you all for your valuable expertise,
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From DocBook to FrameMaker

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi everybody,

I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9. 

I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've also 
read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the proper EDD. 
I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question is, how easy is 
it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it require to achieve that 
nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM for doing so ? And if yes, 
how much work would it be to turn an unstructured "light" FM document (3 
chapters, about 75 pages) into a structured one ?

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From DocBook to FrameMaker

[mathieu jacquet]

Well, I have not been clear enough.

We actually have a lot of content in DocBook, and very little in unstructured 
FM (one book only, 3 chapters, about 75 pages) so far. The thing is, if we need 
structured FM to import DocBook files, then I'd like also to turn my 
unstructured book into a structured one, for the whole documentation to be 
consistent.

Cheers,
Mathieu.

> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:30:16 -0500
> Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
> From: chinaski69 at gmail.com
> To: bobitch at hotmail.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> If it's that little content I would bring it in as plain text and
> reformat as you go. It wouldn't be the trendy way to do it but you
> would probably spend less time doing it that way than messing with
> EDDs.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:56 AM, mathieu jacquet  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9.
> >
> > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've 
> > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the 
> > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question 
> > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it 
> > require to achieve that nicely ? Also, is it mandatory to use structured FM 
> > for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an 
> > unstructured "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a 
> > structured one ?
> >
> > Thank you all for your valuable expertise,
> > Mathieu.
> >
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From DocBook to FrameMaker

[mathieu jacquet]

My post might be unclear because I do not know neither DocBook nor structured 
Frame.

I created a Getting Started Guide in unstructured Frame. As said before, it is 
really light (cover, TOC, LOF, LOT, 3 chapters). The client is very happy with 
styles, content, etc.

Now, he is telling me that his/her developers have a lot of content in DocBook 
format. He would like this content to be imported in Frame, for a PDF to be 
produced from it using the styles I created in my unstructured FM doc.

He would also like my Frame content (I am now working on user guides and so on) 
to be converted into DocBook format (well, XML, or even HTML format) for 
insertion into their Confluence Wiki.

In a word, he would like:
. me to write in Frame to produce my own documentation, then export it into PDF 
and XML/HTML for insertion into their Confluence Wiki.
. his/her developers to produce their own documentation (when too technical for 
me) in their Confluence Wiki (DocBook or DITA format, he told me), then import 
it in my FM doc (as appendixes for example).

So what would be the best solution for me and them ?

For me, just generate what I produced in flat FrameMaker as XML or HTML, and 
have them insert the HTML content into their Confluence wiki using the proper 
CSS ?
For them, just give me their content, which I would copy as plain text in my 
flat FM files, then apply required FM styles and generate the PDF ?

Thank you all for your help,
Mathieu.

> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 09:29:33 -0400
> Subject: Re: From DocBook to FrameMaker
> From: bjlockie at lockie.ca
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I am working on Vista 64 with FM 9.
> >
> > I have read that it was possible to import DocBook files into FM. But I've
> > also read that this could turn to nightmare when it comes to create the
> > proper EDD. I am not familiar at all with structured Frame. So my question
> > is, how easy is it to import a DocBook file into FM, and what would it
> > require to achieve that nicely ?
> 
> Do you want to use structured Frame to edit DocBook?
> Do a web search for "use structured Frame to edit DocBook".
> 
> 
> > Also, is it mandatory to use structured
> > FM for doing so ? And if yes, how much work would it be to turn an
> > unstructured "light" FM document (3 chapters, about 75 pages) into a
> > structured one ?
> 
> It depends how complex the document is.
> A rough guestimate is 5 days just to get it in structure form.
> 
> What are your requirements for publishing it?
> >
> > Thank you all for your valuable expertise,
> > Mathieu.
> 
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RE: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider

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Dear Tori,

I am a rookie but could nevertheless set up a Frame to EclipseHelp pretty 
easily using Mif2Go (with some tremendous help from Jeremy of the omsys support 
team). The thing is that we needed the whole content to be generated as an 
EclipseHelp, which made things easier.

Cheers,
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 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:52:26 +0200
 Subject: Re: Client Needs FrameMaker -- Eclipse Help provider
 From: yves.barb...@gmail.com
 To: tm...@spot-on-creative.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 or WebWorks ePublisher: www.webworks.com
 
 
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 On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Shouldn't be a big deal -- Eclipse is a standard format. You could use
  either MIF2Go (www.omsys.com) or RoboHelp (part of the TCS2) to generate
  the
  code. (Provided, of course, that they/you have already identified what goes
  into the help.)
 
  Contact me off-list if you want to farm it out.
 
  Cheers,
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  No disclaimers apply.
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  On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com
  wrote:
 
   My apologies if this is not the sort of post one is supposed to send to
   this list, but there are so many deeply knowledgeable folks here that I
   suspect it would be a far better source of referrals/responses than
  anywhere
   else we can try.
  
   A client needs someone who can turn FrameMaker manuals into Eclipse help.
   Naturally, they have only informed us of this *now*, a week from the
   software ship date (anyone surprised? No, I didn't think so). They've had
   poor luck using job boards -- a tsunami of dubiously-qualified
  respondents,
   and not enough time to evaluate.  Any recommendations on how to find a
   provider? I don't think geography is a consideration, this could all be
  done
   remotely.
  
   Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals!
  
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Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear Tori,

I am a rookie but could nevertheless set up a Frame to EclipseHelp pretty 
easily using Mif2Go (with some tremendous help from Jeremy of the omsys support 
team). The thing is that we needed the whole content to be generated as an 
EclipseHelp, which made things easier.

Cheers,
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> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:52:26 +0200
> Subject: Re: Client Needs FrameMaker --> Eclipse Help provider
> From: yves.barbion at gmail.com
> To: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> or WebWorks ePublisher: www.webworks.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu
> 
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Art Campbell  gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > Shouldn't be a big deal -- Eclipse is a standard format. You could use
> > either MIF2Go (www.omsys.com) or RoboHelp (part of the TCS2) to generate
> > the
> > code. (Provided, of course, that they/you have already identified what goes
> > into the help.)
> >
> > Contact me off-list if you want to farm it out.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Art
> >
> > Art Campbell
> > art.campbell at gmail.com
> >  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and
> > a
> > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> > No disclaimers apply.
> >  DoD 358
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Tori Muir  > >wrote:
> >
> > > My apologies if this is not the sort of post one is supposed to send to
> > > this list, but there are so many deeply knowledgeable folks here that I
> > > suspect it would be a far better source of referrals/responses than
> > anywhere
> > > else we can try.
> > >
> > > A client needs someone who can turn FrameMaker manuals into Eclipse help.
> > > Naturally, they have only informed us of this *now*, a week from the
> > > software ship date (anyone surprised? No, I didn't think so). They've had
> > > poor luck using job boards -- a tsunami of dubiously-qualified
> > respondents,
> > > and not enough time to evaluate.  Any recommendations on how to find a
> > > provider? I don't think geography is a consideration, this could all be
> > done
> > > remotely.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any recommendations of boards/services/individuals!
> > >
> > > Tori Muir
> > > tmuir at spot-on-creative.com
> > >
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Automating PDF and HTML generation

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

we're using Frame 9 on XP and 7 with Mif2Go to produce a PDF, Eclipse Help and 
OmniHelp.

Is there any way to automatically launch ouput generation (PDF + HTML) in 
command line? The idea would be to integrate command lines in a batch to be run 
while building the software at night.

We also have a Ranorex (automation tool). Has anyone of you ever tried to 
automate generation using this kind of tool?

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[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

we're using Frame 9 on XP and 7 with Mif2Go to produce a PDF, Eclipse Help and 
OmniHelp.

Is there any way to automatically launch ouput generation (PDF + HTML) in 
command line? The idea would be to integrate command lines in a batch to be run 
while building the software at night.

We also have a Ranorex (automation tool). Has anyone of you ever tried to 
automate generation using this kind of tool?

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Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
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Thank you all for your pieces of advice!

I'll have a look at your options and try to apply them to my workflow.

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[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
Mathieu.

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Thank you all for your pieces of advice!

I'll have a look at your options and try to apply them to my workflow.

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Adding a table title when importing a text file as a table (convert)

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

I am using FM 9 on Vista 64.

I'm importing CSV files as tables into my FM documents. Everything runs well 
except that I'd like a title to be added to the tables when importing the CSV. 
Is it feasible with the File  Import  File feature?

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[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

I am using FM 9 on Vista 64.

I'm importing CSV files as tables into my FM documents. Everything runs well 
except that I'd like a title to be added to the tables when importing the CSV. 
Is it feasible with the File > Import > File feature?

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FM9 crashes non stop on Vista 64 bits [RESOLVED]

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Hi all,

if ever you're experiencing similar problems, here is what the support replied: 

"Unfortunately, FrameMaker 9 is not certified to be supported on the 64-bit 
edition of Windows Vista. However, please find attached a technical note from 
our database. It will allow you to fix your problem. Please read 
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/406/kb406893.html;.

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RE: Automatic application of right/left template when reaching end of file

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I do not actually add pages, I add content to my document, and new pages are 
automatically added when reaching the end of a page and going on to the next. 
That is what I meant. 
My documents were defined as single-sided, and this was the problem. 

Thank you Richard and Art for your help!

Cheers,

Mathieu.

 Subject: RE: Automatic application of right/left template when reaching end 
 of file
 Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:07:57 -0700
 From: richard.co...@polycom.com
 To: bobi...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 mathieu jacquet wrote: 
  
  I'm using FM 9.0 on Vista 64.
  
  When reaching the end of a file, FM behaves like it does not know
 which
  template I'd like applied on the next page, even though I specified it
  several times before. This forces me to reapply my Left, Right and
 First
  templates each time I add pages. I guess this is regular behaviour,
 but how
  can I have the proper template applied when adding pages? This'd be
 pretty
  helpful.
 
 To clarify, what you're talking about are called master pages, not
 templates (I point this out so that you can find information about them
 easier in the help, book, and archives, and so people will recognize
 your problem more quickly). 
 
 What do you mean by each time I add pages? If your main flow has
 Autoconnect turned on, FM adds new pages as needed to accommodate
 additional text. To check, select a main flow text frame, select
 Graphics  Object Properties, and in the dialog box, look in the Flow
 section on the lower right. 
 
 When it adds new pages, FM bases them on the built-in Right master page
 if the document is single-sided, and it alternates between the Left and
 Right master pages if the document is double-sided. To check, select
 Format  Page Layout  Pagination. 
 
 On your last body page, select Format  Page Layout  Master Page Usage.
 Make sure Use Master Page is set to Right/Left. Under Apply To, set the
 range to include all but your first page, make sure Even (Left) and Odd
 (Right) are selected, and click Apply. 
 
 If none of the above help resolve the problem, something weird is going
 on -- post again with more information (including what happened when you
 did the above). 
 
 HTH!
 
 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
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 richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
 303-223-5111
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[mathieu jacquet]

I do not actually "add pages", I add content to my document, and new pages are 
automatically added when reaching the end of a page and going on to the next. 
That is what I meant. 
My documents were defined as "single-sided", and this was the problem. 

Thank you Richard and Art for your help!

Cheers,

Mathieu.

> Subject: RE: Automatic application of right/left template when reaching end 
> of file
> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:07:57 -0700
> From: richard.combs at Polycom.com
> To: bobitch at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> mathieu jacquet wrote: 
>  
> > I'm using FM 9.0 on Vista 64.
> > 
> > When reaching the end of a file, FM behaves like it does not know
> which
> > template I'd like applied on the next page, even though I specified it
> > several times before. This forces me to reapply my Left, Right and
> First
> > templates each time I add pages. I guess this is regular behaviour,
> but how
> > can I have the proper template applied when adding pages? This'd be
> pretty
> > helpful.
> 
> To clarify, what you're talking about are called master pages, not
> templates (I point this out so that you can find information about them
> easier in the help, book, and archives, and so people will recognize
> your problem more quickly). 
> 
> What do you mean by "each time I add pages"? If your main flow has
> Autoconnect turned on, FM adds new pages as needed to accommodate
> additional text. To check, select a main flow text frame, select
> Graphics > Object Properties, and in the dialog box, look in the Flow
> section on the lower right. 
> 
> When it adds new pages, FM bases them on the built-in Right master page
> if the document is single-sided, and it alternates between the Left and
> Right master pages if the document is double-sided. To check, select
> Format > Page Layout > Pagination. 
> 
> On your last body page, select Format > Page Layout > Master Page Usage.
> Make sure Use Master Page is set to Right/Left. Under Apply To, set the
> range to include all but your first page, make sure Even (Left) and Odd
> (Right) are selected, and click Apply. 
> 
> If none of the above help resolve the problem, something weird is going
> on -- post again with more information (including what happened when you
> did the above). 
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-777-0436
> --
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Automatic application of right/left template when reaching end of file

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Dear all,

I'm using FM 9.0 on Vista 64.

When reaching the end of a file, FM behaves like it does not know which 
template I'd like applied on the next page, even though I specified it several 
times before. This forces me to reapply my Left, Right and First templates each 
time I add pages. I guess this is regular behaviour, but how can I have the 
proper template applied when adding pages? This'd be pretty helpful.

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[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

I'm using FM 9.0 on Vista 64.

When reaching the end of a file, FM behaves like it does not know which 
template I'd like applied on the next page, even though I specified it several 
times before. This forces me to reapply my Left, Right and First templates each 
time I add pages. I guess this is regular behaviour, but how can I have the 
proper template applied when adding pages? This'd be pretty helpful.

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Software: Automating object properties description in Reference Manual

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Dear all,

I am using FrameMaker 9.0.3 on Vista 64 bits.

I am currently working on a Reference Manual, the purpose of which is to 
document all software objects referenced in a Mash-Up Suite. 

Objects will be documented on a per page basis, with: 

1. Object short textual description
2. Properties table
3. Illustrated example

We'd like to automate the update of object properties tables. Our idea is to 
generate from the soft as many documents (XML, Word, Excel?) as objects, each 
document containing object properties in a properly formatted format, then 
insert these documents as text insets (converted into tables) into the 
Properties Table sections of the Reference Manual.

Does it sound like a sound process? Would you recommend proceeding differently? 
Which format would you go for for documents to be inserted into FrameMaker as 
tables? 

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[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

I am using FrameMaker 9.0.3 on Vista 64 bits.

I am currently working on a Reference Manual, the purpose of which is to 
document all software objects referenced in a Mash-Up Suite. 

Objects will be documented on a per page basis, with: 

1. Object short textual description
2. Properties table
3. Illustrated example

We'd like to automate the update of object properties tables. Our idea is to 
generate from the soft as many documents (XML, Word, Excel?) as objects, each 
document containing object properties in a properly formatted format, then 
insert these documents as text insets (converted into tables) into the 
Properties Table sections of the Reference Manual.

Does it sound like a sound process? Would you recommend proceeding differently? 
Which format would you go for for documents to be inserted into FrameMaker as 
tables? 

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Frame9 crashes non stop on Vista 64

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Hi all!

After my tenth or so reboot this morning, I'm getting slightly upset...Well 
especially after reading that FM 9 on Vista 64 is rock solid-bombproof. 

My problems occur mainly when switching from tab to tab or scrolling pages. Do 
(have) you encounter(ed) the same problems?

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Hi all!

After my tenth or so reboot this morning, I'm getting slightly upset...Well 
especially after reading that FM 9 on Vista 64 is rock solid-bombproof. 

My problems occur mainly when switching from tab to tab or scrolling pages. Do 
(have) you encounter(ed) the same problems?

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Mentioning open source softwares

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

is there any rule about how to mention open source software in technical 
documentation?

The software I am currently documenting (MashUp Composer) requires from users 
that they run a database creation script. To do so, they need to launch a DB 
administration tool such as MySQL Administrator and MySQL Qury Browser to set 
user privileges, create the required DB schema, run the script, etc. 

How would you recommend to present things? 

Can I say, for example: Launch your favorite DB administration tool (for 
example MySQL Administrator).

Am I supposed to add copyright mentions for open source software?

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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OFF-FM [Mif2Go] - HTML pages contain wrong links to images

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I do not know if a forum dedicated to Mif2Go issues exists, so I am posting my 
request here. 

I am using FM7.2 and Mif2Go on 64-bit Vista (no comment).

HTML pages generated by Mif2Go contain links to images such as 
C:/EclipseHelpFolder/aa0fxxx.jpg. The problem is that I do not have any 
aa0fxxx.jpg images in my folder, only 0fxxx.jpg, and as a result images 
won't display. Where does this aa prefix come from? Is this a .ini conf 
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OFF-FM [Mif2Go] - HTML pages contain wrong links to images

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I do not know if a forum dedicated to Mif2Go issues exists, so I am posting my 
request here. 

I am using FM7.2 and Mif2Go on 64-bit Vista (no comment).

HTML pages generated by Mif2Go contain links to images such as 
"C:/EclipseHelpFolder/aa0fxxx.jpg". The problem is that I do not have any 
"aa0fxxx.jpg" images in my folder, only "0fxxx.jpg", and as a result images 
won't display. Where does this "aa" prefix come from? Is this a .ini conf 
problem?

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Cost of a basic FrameScript script

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,
I'd like to have a script for importing graphics that are automatically defined 
as:
. shrink wrapped. under current line. left aligned. 1.5 cm from left margin
Who should I ask for having such script developed (if using a FrameScript for 
doing that is the best solution of course)? How much would it cost me?
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RE: Cost of a basic FrameScript script

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Thank you Art,
maybe Bruce can confirm that. And now I've understood why I've been calling my 
colleague Bruce Cooper Bruce Foster for a while (unless that was because he 
worked face to face with a Jodie, but not Foster...anyway :o) ).
Have a nice day,
Mathieu.

 From: art.campb...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:25:32 -0400
 Subject: Re: Cost of a basic FrameScript script
 To: bobi...@hotmail.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 There are several people who produce custom scripts on the list, and
 you can find more in the FrameScript group on Yahoo. My preference has
 always been to work with Rick Quattro at frameexpert.com.
 
 I don't think that's a complicated script, so I doubt the cost would
 be high, but you're paying for the programmer's time and expertise --
 I'd guesstimate $175 +/- $50.
 
 However, I'd look at the ImpGraph plug in to see if that meets your
 needs before you dive into script land. Cheaper and ready to run.
 http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/ImpGraph.htm
 
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  Hi all,
  I'd like to have a script for importing graphics that are automatically 
  defined as:
  . shrink wrapped. under current line. left aligned. 1.5 cm from left margin
  Who should I ask for having such script developed (if using a FrameScript 
  for doing that is the best solution of course)? How much would it cost me?
  Thank you all in advance for your help,
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Hi all,
I'd like to have a script for importing graphics that are automatically defined 
as:
. shrink wrapped. under current line. left aligned. 1.5 cm from left margin
Who should I ask for having such script developed (if using a FrameScript for 
doing that is the best solution of course)? How much would it cost me?
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Cost of a basic FrameScript script

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Thank you Art,
maybe Bruce can confirm that. And now I've understood why I've been calling my 
colleague Bruce Cooper "Bruce Foster" for a while (unless that was because he 
worked face to face with a Jodie, but not Foster...anyway :o) ).
Have a nice day,
Mathieu.

> From: art.campbell at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:25:32 -0400
> Subject: Re: Cost of a basic FrameScript script
> To: bobitch at hotmail.com
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> There are several people who produce custom scripts on the list, and
> you can find more in the FrameScript group on Yahoo. My preference has
> always been to work with Rick Quattro at frameexpert.com.
> 
> I don't think that's a complicated script, so I doubt the cost would
> be high, but you're paying for the programmer's time and expertise --
> I'd guesstimate $175 +/- $50.
> 
> However, I'd look at the ImpGraph plug in to see if that meets your
> needs before you dive into script land. Cheaper and ready to run.
> http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/ImpGraph.htm
> 
> Art Campbell
>art.campbell at gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>        DoD 358
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM, mathieu jacquet  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I'd like to have a script for importing graphics that are automatically 
> > defined as:
> > . shrink wrapped. under current line. left aligned. 1.5 cm from left margin
> > Who should I ask for having such script developed (if using a FrameScript 
> > for doing that is the best solution of course)? How much would it cost me?
> > Thank you all in advance for your help,
> > Mathieu.
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RE: Nice zoom effect

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you all! I hadn't noticed this effect.
I tried it this morning but the magnifying effect distorted the selected 
text...giving a slightly oozing (if this word can fit here) effect to the 
whole thing. Probably due to image quality...
Anyway thank you all, that's a nice feature to know!
Cheers,
Mathieu.

CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com; bobi...@hotmail.com
From: jsteenbr...@bluefinrobotics.com
To: generic...@yahoo.ca
Subject: Re: Nice zoom effect
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:15:55 -0600

Something very similar to this can be created with SnagIt using the 'Spotlight 
and Magnify' effect. 
Jona

On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Writer wrote:If you mean the dialog boxes with 
the magnified buttons, it looks like a composite graphic to me. You could do 
that in any image editing software.

Nadine

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From: mathieu jacquet bobi...@hotmail.com
Subject: Nice zoom effect
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Received: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:16 AM


Dear all,

while downloading Skype, I noticed a nice zoom effect on screenshots of their 
procedure:

http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/windows/downloading/

Do you know which tool can do this (possible with Snagit?)

Thank you all!

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I can't name this element

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Dear all,
I'm trying to find a name for this element:
it appears in the upper left corner of a JSP execution page and when you point 
the mouse over it, a set of icons appears (as if hidden/displayed). See 
attached.
Does it have a name?
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Nice zoom effect

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Thank you all! I hadn't noticed this effect.
I tried it this morning but the magnifying effect distorted the selected 
text...giving a slightly "oozing" (if this word can fit here) effect to the 
whole thing. Probably due to image quality...
Anyway thank you all, that's a nice feature to know!
Cheers,
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To: generic668 at yahoo.ca
Subject: Re: Nice zoom effect
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:15:55 -0600

Something very similar to this can be created with SnagIt using the 'Spotlight 
and Magnify' effect. 
Jona

On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:32 AM, Writer wrote:If you mean the dialog boxes with 
the magnified buttons, it looks like a composite graphic to me. You could do 
that in any image editing software.

Nadine

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Subject: Nice zoom effect
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Received: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 3:16 AM


Dear all,

while downloading Skype, I noticed a nice zoom effect on screenshots of their 
procedure:

http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/windows/downloading/

Do you know which tool can do this (possible with Snagit?)

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I can't name this element

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Dear all,
I'm trying to find a name for this element:
it appears in the upper left corner of a JSP execution page and when you point 
the mouse over it, a set of icons appears (as if hidden/displayed). See 
attached.
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Nice zoom effect

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while downloading Skype, I noticed a nice zoom effect on screenshots of their 
procedure:

http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/windows/downloading/

Do you know which tool can do this (possible with Snagit?)

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Nice zoom effect

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Dear all,

while downloading Skype, I noticed a nice zoom effect on screenshots of their 
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http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/windows/downloading/

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Graphical format for conversion to Eclipse Help

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Dear Framers,

is there a specific graphical format to respect when developing a non 
structured doc in FrameMaker (7.2 on XP) with a view to converting it later to 
Eclipse Help (or any other HTML help by the way). I am saving my screenshots as 
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Standard font for technical documentation

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Dear all,
is there any standard font for writing Getting Started guides, User Manuals 
and other technical documents? Which one do you personnally use? Do you find 
that some fonts offer a better reading quality than others?
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Best solution for a conversion of FM files to Eclipse Help

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RE: Standard font for technical documentation [RESOLVED]

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Well, for the good of mankind (we're talking about nuclear safety here :o) ), I 
close this topic.
Thank you all for the valuable piece of information you provided me with!
Cheers,
Mathieu.

Subject: RE: Standard font for technical documentation
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:44:59 -0400
From: rg...@interactivesupercomputing.com
To: art.campb...@gmail.com; bobi...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com



Re: Standard font for technical documentation




For printed books the prevailing wisdom and studies show that serif font is 
easier to read.  On the other hand, for display devices (electronic viewing) 
the prevailing studies and wisdom say that non-serif font is easier for humans 
to decode.  Look at the books on your shelf.  Check how many of these books 
have arial or helvetica font for the body text.  The number should be few or 
zero.  Now look at your copy machine user interface or your cell phone --these 
devices normally do use helvetica, arial, or verdana (san-serif font). 
 
Most tech docs tend to favor the printed media wisdom (serif font for body 
text) and use non serif for headings because they stand out.  Aside from 
following the the prevailing wisdom, this combination has always looked good to 
me. 
 
There have been numerous studies in Human Computer Interaction (long before 
Google or Microsoft ever existed) they reveal that:
- Non serif fonts are easier read on display devices
- Using more than five typefaces (where color, weight, and italics all count as 
a new typeface) for a particular display increases human processing time.
 

Art is right.  This topic can create a fair amount of pointless and lively 
bike-shed-phenomenon-like discussion.  So, be prepared for it.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson's_Bicycle_Shed_Effect
 
Reid





From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Art Campbell
Sent: Mon 7/20/2009 8:22 AM
To: mathieu jacquet
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Standard font for technical documentation



I think it depends on the application, how the documents are
delivered, and what the company's stanard fonts (part of the corporate
look, or branding, are).

The other thing you should know is that for some reason, picking fonts
amounts to a religious war with odd fervor among the participants. So
you're unlikely to get one good answer.

If I were you, I'd start with Adobe's Type Primer
http://www.adobe.com/education/pdf/type_primer.pdf

For material that will be printed or delivered via PDF and likely to
be printed by the customer, I usually use a serif body font and serif
heads. The one I'm working in now uses Palatino and Avant Garde. If
the material will only be on-screen and/or web, I'd go with serif
fonts for both body and heads, and I'd pick one that was designed for
on-screen display -- very few are, or were. Verdana is one of them.
Arial is not Most type foundries today will have a few.

If you want more detail, on why, Google font readability research

Cheers,
Art

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Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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 Thank you very much in anticipation.
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Standard font for technical documentation

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Dear all,
is there any "standard font" for writing Getting Started guides, User Manuals 
and other technical documents? Which one do you personnally use? Do you find 
that some fonts offer a better "reading quality" than others?
Thank you very much in anticipation.
Yours sincerely,
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Best solution for a conversion of FM files to Eclipse Help

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Standard font for technical documentation [RESOLVED]

[mathieu jacquet]

Well, for the good of mankind (we're talking about nuclear safety here :o) ), I 
close this topic.
Thank you all for the valuable piece of information you provided me with!
Cheers,
Mathieu.

Subject: RE: Standard font for technical documentation
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:44:59 -0400
From: rg...@interactivesupercomputing.com
To: art.campbell at gmail.com; bobitch at hotmail.com
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com



Re: Standard font for technical documentation




For printed books the prevailing wisdom and studies show that serif font is 
easier to read.  On the other hand, for display devices (electronic viewing) 
the prevailing studies and wisdom say that non-serif font is easier for humans 
to decode.  Look at the books on your shelf.  Check how many of these books 
have arial or helvetica font for the body text.  The number should be few or 
zero.  Now look at your copy machine user interface or your cell phone --these 
devices normally do use helvetica, arial, or verdana (san-serif font). 

Most tech docs tend to favor the printed media wisdom (serif font for body 
text) and use non serif for headings because they stand out.  Aside from 
following the the prevailing wisdom, this combination has always looked good to 
me. 

There have been numerous studies in Human Computer Interaction (long before 
Google or Microsoft ever existed) they reveal that:
- Non serif fonts are easier read on display devices
- Using more than five typefaces (where color, weight, and italics all count as 
a new typeface) for a particular display increases human processing time.


Art is right.  This topic can create a fair amount of pointless and lively 
"bike-shed-phenomenon-like" discussion.  So, be prepared for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson's_Bicycle_Shed_Effect

Reid





From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Art Campbell
Sent: Mon 7/20/2009 8:22 AM
To: mathieu jacquet
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Standard font for technical documentation



I think it depends on the application, how the documents are
delivered, and what the company's stanard fonts (part of the corporate
"look," or branding, are).

The other thing you should know is that for some reason, picking fonts
amounts to a religious war with odd fervor among the participants. So
you're unlikely to get one good answer.

If I were you, I'd start with Adobe's Type Primer
http://www.adobe.com/education/pdf/type_primer.pdf

For material that will be printed or delivered via PDF and likely to
be printed by the customer, I usually use a serif body font and serif
heads. The one I'm working in now uses Palatino and Avant Garde. If
the material will only be on-screen and/or web, I'd go with serif
fonts for both body and heads, and I'd pick one that was designed for
on-screen display -- very few are, or were. Verdana is one of them.
Arial is not Most type foundries today will have a few.

If you want more detail, on why, Google "font readability research"

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
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> Dear all,
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> that some fonts offer a better "reading quality" than others?
> Thank you very much in anticipation.
> Yours sincerely,
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Producing HTML help pages in FM for Eclipse help

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Hi all,

I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

Just one question about FrameMaker and Eclipse help compatibility: Is there a 
specific way to develop the doc in FM when we intend to use the content with 
the Eclipse help afterwards? 

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Software button/menu/function labels: from soft to doc

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Hi all,

I'm using Frame 7.2 on XP.

I am about to start documenting an Eclipse-based software. As regards the 
button/menu/function labels, what is the best way to integrate them into the 
doc: X-ref to a Frame doc containing all labels, text inset from a doc 
containing all labels, variables or just "hard"-typing in labels in the doc? Or 
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Hi all,

I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

Just one question about FrameMaker and Eclipse help compatibility: Is there a 
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the Eclipse help afterwards? 

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RESOLVED: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you Yves,

that looks fine. I'm trying it right now!

Have a nice day,

Mathieu.

P.S.: you're of a much better disposition than some who can't bear questions 
about already resolved issues...;o)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:52:04 +0100
Subject: Re: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document
From: yves.barb...@gmail.com
To: bobi...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Hi Mathieu

No need to apologize, you're not disturbing anyone here on this list. ;-)

You can do one of the following to insert landscape pages:
Choose Format  Customize Layout  Rotate Page Clockwise (or Counterclockwise)
Split up your file and put the files in a FrameMaker book. Create separate 
files for the landscape pages and insert these at the relevant positions in 
your FrameMaker book. This is a bit more work in the beginning, but it's also a 
safer option for future updates.
Cheers

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Hi all,



and sorry for the disturbance. I know this one has been dealt with a number of 
time, but I cannot perform a proper search in the Framers Archives (the site 
seems in maintenance).



We work with Frame 6.0 on Unix and would like to insert a number of landscape 
pages within a document whose layout is exclusively portrait.



How should we proceed?



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RE: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document

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That does help!

Thank you Robert.

Cordialement,

Mathieu.

 Subject: RE: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document
 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:41:06 -0700
 From: richard.co...@polycom.com
 To: yves.barb...@gmail.com; bobi...@hotmail.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Yves Barbion wrote: 
  
  You can do one of the following to insert landscape pages:
  
 - Choose *Format  Customize Layout  Rotate Page Clockwise* (or
 Counterclockwise)
 - Split up your file and put the files in a FrameMaker book. Create
 separate files for the landscape pages and insert these at the relevant
 positions in your FrameMaker book. This is a bit more work in the
  beginning,
 but it's also a safer option for future updates.
 
 The first option can be made much more robust and flexible with a bit more 
 work in the beginning, too. 
 
 Instead of just rotating body pages ad hoc as needed, create rotated custom 
 master pages (LandscapeLeft and LandscapeRight might be good names). In FM 
 7.x or higher, you could assign these master pages based on specific 
 paragraph tags, but IIRC, FM6 didn't have that feature. There are, however, 
 scripts and/or plugins that will do it. If this is a one-time thing, it 
 probably isn't worth it, but if there is a recurring need, automating this 
 would be a good idea. 
 
 mathieu jacquet wrote: 
 
  P.S.: you're of a much better disposition than some who can't bear
  questions about already resolved issues...;o)
 
 With some of us, it just depends on our level of caffeination. Too early is 
 not good, but too late is risky, too. ;-)
 
 But without intending any criticism of your question, I can help with the 
 archive search problem. Don't use the FrameUsers site, use Google. You can 
 restrict a Google search to the FrameUsers list by entering a search string 
 like this: 
 
   landscape pages site:lists.frameusers.com 
 
 Try that one, and I think you'll find several of the 76 hits quite relevant.
 
 HTH!
 Richard
 
 
 Richard G. Combs
 Senior Technical Writer
 Polycom, Inc.
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[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

and sorry for the disturbance. I know this one has been dealt with a number of 
time, but I cannot perform a proper search in the Framers Archives (the site 
seems in maintenance).

We work with Frame 6.0 on Unix and would like to insert a number of landscape 
pages within a document whose layout is exclusively "portrait". 

How should we proceed?

Thank you very much for your help,

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RESOLVED: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you Yves,

that looks fine. I'm trying it right now!

Have a nice day,

Mathieu.

P.S.: you're of a much better disposition than some who can't bear questions 
about already resolved issues...;o)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:52:04 +0100
Subject: Re: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document
From: yves.barb...@gmail.com
To: bobitch at hotmail.com
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com

Hi Mathieu

No need to apologize, you're not disturbing anyone here on this list. ;-)

You can do one of the following to insert landscape pages:
Choose Format > Customize Layout > Rotate Page Clockwise (or Counterclockwise)
Split up your file and put the files in a FrameMaker book. Create separate 
files for the landscape pages and insert these at the relevant positions in 
your FrameMaker book. This is a bit more work in the beginning, but it's also a 
safer option for future updates.
Cheers

-- 
Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, mathieu jacquet  
wrote:



Hi all,



and sorry for the disturbance. I know this one has been dealt with a number of 
time, but I cannot perform a proper search in the Framers Archives (the site 
seems in maintenance).



We work with Frame 6.0 on Unix and would like to insert a number of landscape 
pages within a document whose layout is exclusively "portrait".



How should we proceed?



Thank you very much for your help,



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RE: sdl trados and FM (translation)

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Dear Edwin,
 
the usual process (for translation using Trados Workbench or TagEditor, I do 
not know about SDL Edit) is:
 
1. save .fm as .mif
2. convert .mif to .rtf (for translation using Trados Workbench) or to .ttx 
(translation using TagEditor) via the STagger for FrameMaker filter. You should 
end up with as many .rtf or .ttx as source documents + an ancillary file 
(containing template information etc.)
3. translate your doc using Trados Workbench or TagEditor.
4. Backconvert to .mif using STagger for FrameMaker
5. Save your .mif as .fm and check that the layout, Xrefs, etc are OK (basic QA 
check).
 
Yours,
Mathieu. Subject: sdl trados and FM (translation) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:48:52 +0200   Hello,  I 
am familiar with FrameMaker but not with SDL Trados. I am trying to translate 
some documents into French with SDL Edit, which allows *.mif files as input. 
When I start a new translation, I select the *.mif file, and then it creates 
four intermediarary *.itd files (one for the text, one for x-refs, one for 
index entries, one for variables and number formats. My question is that when 
I translate these four documents and reexport them to mif, I end up with four 
documents. Is there some way to re-import my translated index entries, 
variable entries, and numbering formats back into my main document?  
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sdl trados and FM (translation)

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Dear Edwin,

the usual process (for translation using Trados Workbench or TagEditor, I do 
not know about SDL Edit) is:

1. save .fm as .mif
2. convert .mif to .rtf (for translation using Trados Workbench) or to .ttx 
(translation using TagEditor) via the STagger for FrameMaker filter. You should 
end up with as many .rtf or .ttx as source documents + an ancillary file 
(containing template information etc.)
3. translate your doc using Trados Workbench or TagEditor.
4. Backconvert to .mif using STagger for FrameMaker
5. Save your .mif as .fm and check that the layout, Xrefs, etc are OK (basic QA 
check).

Yours,
Mathieu.> Subject: sdl trados and FM (translation)> To: framers at 
frameusers.com> From: ETudsbery at cpaglobal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 
15:48:52 +0200> > > Hello,> > I am familiar with FrameMaker but not with SDL 
Trados. I am trying to> translate some documents into French with SDL Edit, 
which allows *.mif> files as input. When I start a new translation, I select 
the *.mif file,> and then it creates four intermediarary *.itd files (one for 
the text, one> for x-refs, one for index entries, one for variables and number 
formats. My> question is that when I translate these four documents and 
reexport them to> mif, I end up with four documents. Is there some way to 
re-import my> translated index entries, variable entries, and numbering formats 
back into> my main document?> > thanks,> > Edwin Tudsbery> > > > 
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RE: Tageditor and Framemaker, any special rules

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Hi,

not sure, but if ever you've got a split word, a second same sentence won't 
appear as a repetition of the first, but as a No Match (new segment), and 
you'll pay more as well:

For example : 

1. this is:imk 1 a word :imk 2with a ma:imk 3rker is :

8 No Match. Cost = 8 x rate per word

2. this is:imk 1 a word :imk 2with a ma:imk 3rker. this is:imk 1 a 
word :imk 2with a ma:imk 3rker. is : 

8 No Match + 8 repetitions. Cost : 8 x rate per word + (8 x rate per word) x 
discount rate for repetitions (10% for instance)

3. this is:imk 1 a word :imk 2with a ma:imk
3rker. this is:imk 1 a word :imk 2with a marker. is

16 No Match. Cost : 16 x rate per word


Mathieu.

 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:11:59 -0600
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Tageditor and Framemaker, any special rules
 
 Hi,
 
 Not so. S-Tagger can manage the markers with a simple configuration, 
 but if you leave them alone, you get something like this:
 
 this is:imk 1 a word :imk 2with a ma:imk 3rker
 
 It's better to manage the markers and not subject your translators to 
 half words, but the letters are still there. It's also better for you 
 to manage them, because split words count as two in Trados. You'll 
 pay more if there are a lot of them. The string above is eight words 
 plus the markers.
 
 Kevin
 
 
 
 Hello
 
 I just learned that markers need to be placed in front of or after a
 word in Framemaker when preparing for Trados and tageditor. Otherwise
 tag-editor will not recognise the word.
 
 Are there any other special rules that I need to be aware of?
 
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Tageditor and Framemaker, any special rules

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Hi,

not sure, but if ever you've got a split word, a second "same" sentence won't 
appear as a repetition of the first, but as a No Match (new segment), and 
you'll pay more as well:

For example : 

1. "this is<:imk 1> a word <:imk 2>with a ma<:imk 3>rker" is :

8 No Match. Cost = 8 x rate per word

2. "this is<:imk 1> a word <:imk 2>with a ma<:imk 3>rker. this is<:imk 1> a 
word <:imk 2>with a ma<:imk 3>rker." is : 

8 No Match + 8 repetitions. Cost : 8 x rate per word + (8 x rate per word) x 
discount rate for repetitions (10% for instance)

3. "this is<:imk 1> a word <:imk 2>with a ma<:imk
3>rker. this is<:imk 1> a word <:imk 2>with a marker." is

16 No Match. Cost : 16 x rate per word


Mathieu.

> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:11:59 -0600
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> From: kevinf at dim.com
> Subject: RE: Tageditor and Framemaker, any special rules
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Not so. S-Tagger can manage the markers with a simple configuration, 
> but if you leave them alone, you get something like this:
> 
> this is<:imk 1> a word <:imk 2>with a ma<:imk 3>rker
> 
> It's better to manage the markers and not subject your translators to 
> half words, but the letters are still there. It's also better for you 
> to manage them, because split words count as two in Trados. You'll 
> pay more if there are a lot of them. The string above is eight words 
> plus the markers.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> >Hello
> >
> >I just learned that markers need to be placed in front of or after a
> >word in Framemaker when preparing for Trados and tageditor. Otherwise
> >tag-editor will not recognise the word.
> >
> >Are there any other special rules that I need to be aware of?
> >
> >Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> >Verner Andersen
> >Technical Writer
> >
> >Radiometer Medical ApS
> >Phone +45 3827 3612
> >Fax +45 3827 2727
> >verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Radiometer Medical ApS
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Running headers calling on formatted variables

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Hi all,

I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in 1st-level 
titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName variable 
formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other purple).

When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.

Any clue?

Thank you all for your help,

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Running headers calling on formatted variables

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Hi all,

I'm using FM 7.2 on XP.

In my document, running headers call on Heading1. I sometimes add in 1st-level 
titles (Heading1) the name of the product, which is a ProductName variable 
formatted in a certain way (half of the name blue, the other purple).

When the product name appears in the header, it is just black.

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RE: language specific screen shots in Framemaker

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Hi Verner,

what do you really mean by screen shots are sent to the translator?

As a (English into French) translator, I have never had to translate any screen 
shot strictly speaking. I usually translate software strings that developers 
then integrate into the (in my case, French version of) the soft. Then I 
capture screenshots in the right language to place them in my doc.

In your case it would be too time-consuming of course, you would not want to 
capture 1000 screenshots x 6 languages...

However, if the translators translate straight into Photoshop or Illustrator, 
maybe they do not set the image settings as you do (in terms of dpi, size, 
format, etc.), which may cause problems. 

Mathieu.


 Subject: language specific screen shots in Framemaker
 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:13:33 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Have any of you succeded in creating a scenario where language specific
 screen shots do not need to be reimported or rescaled in Framemaker.
 
 I am thinking of directory structure for each language, screen
 resolutions, dpi etc.
 
 The idea is that the English files and screen shots are sent to the
 translator. The translator replaces the English screen shots with the
 language-specific ones.
 
 If you have a scenario for this I am very interested. Often when I
 replace a screen shot it is totally distorted in Framemaker and needs to
 be re-imported and re-scaled.
  
 Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
 Verner Andersen
 Technical Writer
 
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 Phone +45 3827 3612
 Fax +45 3827 2727
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Hi Verner,

what do you really mean by "screen shots are sent to the translator"?

As a (English into French) translator, I have never had to translate any screen 
shot strictly speaking. I usually translate software strings that developers 
then integrate into the (in my case, French version of) the soft. Then I 
capture screenshots in the right language to place them in my doc.

In your case it would be too time-consuming of course, you would not want to 
capture 1000 screenshots x 6 languages...

However, if the translators translate straight into Photoshop or Illustrator, 
maybe they do not set the image settings as you do (in terms of dpi, size, 
format, etc.), which may cause problems. 

Mathieu.


> Subject: language specific screen shots in Framemaker
> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:13:33 +0200
> From: verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Have any of you succeded in creating a scenario where language specific
> screen shots do not need to be reimported or rescaled in Framemaker.
> 
> I am thinking of directory structure for each language, screen
> resolutions, dpi etc.
> 
> The idea is that the English files and screen shots are sent to the
> translator. The translator replaces the English screen shots with the
> language-specific ones.
> 
> If you have a scenario for this I am very interested. Often when I
> replace a screen shot it is totally distorted in Framemaker and needs to
> be re-imported and re-scaled.
>  
> Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
> Verner Andersen
> Technical Writer
> 
> Radiometer Medical ApS
> Phone +45 3827 3612
> Fax +45 3827 2727
> verner.andersen at radiometer.dk
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 2700 Bronshoj 
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> CVR: 27 50 91 85 
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RE: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions in Framemaker

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi Verner,

I usually use the Archive structure, that is to say an overall directory 
(Product x.y. English) containing, on the same level : 
. the fm files an book file ;
. a graphic directory containing all graphics ;
. a text directory containing all text insets.

I copy paste this overall directory and rename it Product x.y. French (or 
whatever).

(ONLY IF YOU HAVE TRADOS (or whatever CAT tool) : I set up a translation 
folder, which I divide into languages (French, Spanish, etc.). I then divide 
each of the language folder into MIF, ORG and STF folders. Then I convert all 
.fm files to .mif then .rtf or .ttx, and I send these files for translation (a 
translator does not translate straight into Frame)).

The thing is that none of my graphics contains text (I do not actually document 
softs, so I don't have language  specific screenshots), so links stay 
untouched, and the translator does not have to work on graphics. 

If I had language specific graphics, with the structure previously described, I 
could copy them directly into the graphics directory without chaning their 
name and overwrite the ones in the wrong language.
Issue : Generic graphics are copied as many times as your number of languages...

Yours,

Mathieu



 Subject: Off topic: Handling of linked graphics in several language versions  
 in Framemaker
 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:50:18 +0200
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Hey
 I am describing a software product and have hundreds of screen shots in
 my manual that is to be translated into several languages.
 Have you a good idea for directory structure and file naming of graphics
 inserted by reference?
  
 My idea is the following:
  
 Product version x.y
 - Generic graphcis
 - English
 - - Framemaker files
 --  Language specific graphics
 --  pdf
  
 The idea is that by copying the English folder to another language
 folder the translator will be up and running and can replace the
 language specific graphics.
  
 I realize that screen shots with the same name will exist in different
 versions and languages, but to use version/language specific graphics
 will result days spent in re-importing graphics whenever a new version
 of the manual is to be made.
  
 How do you solve this issue?
  
 
 Med venlig hilsen - Best regards
 Verner Andersen
 Technical Writer
 
 Radiometer Medical ApS
 Phone +45 3827 3612
 Fax +45 3827 2727
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