Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
That's true only for vector graphics. If you zoom in far enough on a bitmap you can see the individual pixels, just as in Acrobat or Adobe Reader. On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:53 PM wrote: > > The on-screen preview will always look "bad" since you are only seeing a > preview. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
In the olden days, IIRC, Dov Isaacs of Adobe, or Shlomo Perets of microtype.com, periodically posted a detailed set of steps for use with Photoshop, to optimize images for use in FrameMaker. Odds are good an archive search will be successful. HTH. On Sep 29, 2018 10:52 AM, wrote: > The on-screen preview will always look "bad" since you are only seeing a > preview. Photos will look OK, but not in the details. Luckily however, that > is only the on-screen preview--for print/PDF output, the actual graphic > file > is used. > > Depending on the source of the artwork, here are the _typically_ settings I > use... > > Vector Art > PDF or native AI. I use EPS if I have to or art was supplied in that mode. > > Photos (color and grayscale raster images) > 225 ppi > RGB output: PNG, TIFF, JPEG @ high quality > CMYK output (for printing): TIFF with LZW compression > > Scanned Line Art (black-only raster art) > 1200 ppi / 1800 ppi for print > TIFF w/ LZW > Make sure it is scanned as "line art" or "black & white" mode--in > Photoshop, > it would be in Bitmap mode. > These settings have to be used during scanning and generally, they cannot > be > "retro-fitted". If scanned correctly, this will look as good as vector art. > > Sometimes, I will downsample the resolution in my PDF export mode, but I > find that Frame is usually more responsive is you size the dimensions and > resolution before import. > > If creating a PDF for commercial printing (offset), I usually make an RGB > PDF and convert in Acrobat Pro. I can make sure any RGB blacks convert to > 100% K. > > David Creamer > IDEAS Training > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/fr > amers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/li > stinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
The on-screen preview will always look "bad" since you are only seeing a preview. Photos will look OK, but not in the details. Luckily however, that is only the on-screen preview--for print/PDF output, the actual graphic file is used. Depending on the source of the artwork, here are the _typically_ settings I use... Vector Art PDF or native AI. I use EPS if I have to or art was supplied in that mode. Photos (color and grayscale raster images) 225 ppi RGB output: PNG, TIFF, JPEG @ high quality CMYK output (for printing): TIFF with LZW compression Scanned Line Art (black-only raster art) 1200 ppi / 1800 ppi for print TIFF w/ LZW Make sure it is scanned as "line art" or "black & white" mode--in Photoshop, it would be in Bitmap mode. These settings have to be used during scanning and generally, they cannot be "retro-fitted". If scanned correctly, this will look as good as vector art. Sometimes, I will downsample the resolution in my PDF export mode, but I find that Frame is usually more responsive is you size the dimensions and resolution before import. If creating a PDF for commercial printing (offset), I usually make an RGB PDF and convert in Acrobat Pro. I can make sure any RGB blacks convert to 100% K. David Creamer IDEAS Training ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
FrameMaker can't render AI grphics, it uses the low-resolution preview bitmap embedded in the file. If PNG images in FrameMaker look worse than they do in the exported PDF in Acrobat or Adobe Reader, Acrobat probably does a better job of rendering bitmaps at some zoom levels. On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 4:55 AM Doug wrote: > > We use either PNG or AI files, FrameMaker 2017, Windows 10 w/latest updates > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:33 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > What format image and which version of FrameMaker? > > > > If you're displaying EPS, you're not looking at the same image. > > FrameMaker's showing a preview bitmap stored in the EPS file and PDF > > is rendering the actual vectors. > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM Doug wrote: > > > > > > I'm comparing how an image looks on the same monitor when displayed by > > > Frame and in PDF produced from Frame. In all cases the image looks > > better > > > when displayed in PDF. It doesn't matter what quality the image is; > > Frame > > > just seems to display images poorly in comparison. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
We use either PNG or AI files, FrameMaker 2017, Windows 10 w/latest updates On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:33 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > What format image and which version of FrameMaker? > > If you're displaying EPS, you're not looking at the same image. > FrameMaker's showing a preview bitmap stored in the EPS file and PDF > is rendering the actual vectors. > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM Doug wrote: > > > > I'm comparing how an image looks on the same monitor when displayed by > > Frame and in PDF produced from Frame. In all cases the image looks > better > > when displayed in PDF. It doesn't matter what quality the image is; > Frame > > just seems to display images poorly in comparison. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
What format image and which version of FrameMaker? If you're displaying EPS, you're not looking at the same image. FrameMaker's showing a preview bitmap stored in the EPS file and PDF is rendering the actual vectors. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM Doug wrote: > > I'm comparing how an image looks on the same monitor when displayed by > Frame and in PDF produced from Frame. In all cases the image looks better > when displayed in PDF. It doesn't matter what quality the image is; Frame > just seems to display images poorly in comparison. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
I'm comparing how an image looks on the same monitor when displayed by Frame and in PDF produced from Frame. In all cases the image looks better when displayed in PDF. It doesn't matter what quality the image is; Frame just seems to display images poorly in comparison. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
Rather than "set your desktop resolution to the highest it can support" I'd say set your display to its native resolution. I don't believe LCD ClearType / font-smoothing settings have any effect on what's captured. To me, the most important tips are (1) selecting or cropping to show only pertinent screen elements and (2) resampling only when it's absolutely unavoidable. On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 11:12 AM David Artman wrote: > >All the recent image-related posts lead me to write up this: > ... > http://davidartman.com/design/best-practices-for-graphics-in-modern-publishing-pipelines ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
All the recent image-related posts lead me to write up this: [1]http://davidartman.com/design/best-practices-for-graphics-in-modern- publishing-pipelines HTH; David References 1. http://davidartman.com/design/best-practices-for-graphics-in-modern-publishing-pipelines ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
Not always for better performance, sometimes just because FrameMaker can't render the format on screen. E.g. for EPS vector graphics FrameMaker uses the embedded preview bitmap. On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:34 AM Jeff Coatsworth wrote: > > Depending on the image format, FM often sacrifices quality on the screen for > better performance. Sometimes you just get placeholders or times, low-res > thumbnails. > > > > From: Framers > on > behalf of Doug > Sent: September 27, 2018 2:26 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: [Framers] Graphics quality > > Line drawings in Frame look much worse than they do when I save them to > PDF. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
We always use PDF or PNG. If your line drawings are in JPG then expect a loss of resolution, JPG is a lossy format that exchanges resolution for size. Taster graphics will always have poorer resolution when they are displayed at a screen size that isn’t exactly the created resolution or isn’t in a divisible pixel ration to the screen resolution. Vector graphics nearly always have a better resolution because they are drawn from a mathematical representation and not based upon captured pixel count. Use PNG or GIF format. If you must use raster graphics then TIFF is the best. > On Sep 27, 2018, at 13:34, Jeff Coatsworth > wrote: > > res ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Graphics quality
Depending on the image format, FM often sacrifices quality on the screen for better performance. Sometimes you just get placeholders or times, low-res thumbnails. From: Framers on behalf of Doug Sent: September 27, 2018 2:26 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Graphics quality Line drawings in Frame look much worse than they do when I save them to PDF. Is this an issue with my graphics card driver, or does Frame just have a reputation for poor graphic quality? lol Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Graphics quality
Line drawings in Frame look much worse than they do when I save them to PDF. Is this an issue with my graphics card driver, or does Frame just have a reputation for poor graphic quality? lol Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
