Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
...and the mantra is something like iloveframeihateframeiloveframeihateframeom. ;-) Louise (I actually really love Frame) - Original Message - From: "Fred Ridder" To: "Alan Litchfield" , framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:20:05 PM Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production Back when Dov Isaacs was still active on the list, he used to call it Reinstallsheimer's Disease. He was never convinced that it did anything useful in at least 90% of the cases reported. But I suppose if you're in the right zen frame of mind it gives you some time to calm down while you watch the progress indicator move ever so slowly... -FR From: Framers on behalf of Alan Litchfield Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:31 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production On 1/09/16 8:19 am, loui...@mchsi.com wrote: Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) More the latter, if you are referring to anything newer than version 9. There was much discussion on the list some time ago about the relative merits of either approach. I have been strong advocate of the ps->pdf workflow but nowadays, I would promote the Save As... as providing a as good a quality output. Working on 2015 this week, I observed that Save As uses Distiller in any case, so by doing it manually only takes time and adds no other value. That was because the Adobe Acrobat license decided to screw itself up and I needed to reinstall Acrobat and all the other CC apps I use. huh, why do we need to reinstall this stuff all the time? Cheers Alan -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site<http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
or provides more grist to the mill of angst. But I agree that generally, it solves nothing but provides a quick fix. Alan On 1/09/16 9:20 am, Fred Ridder wrote: Back when Dov Isaacs was still active on the list, he used to call it Reinstallsheimer's Disease. He was never convinced that it did anything useful in at least 90% of the cases reported. But I suppose if you're in the right zen frame of mind it gives you some time to calm down while you watch the progress indicator move ever so slowly... -FR *From:* Framers on behalf of Alan Litchfield *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:31 PM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production On 1/09/16 8:19 am, loui...@mchsi.com wrote: Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) More the latter, if you are referring to anything newer than version 9. There was much discussion on the list some time ago about the relative merits of either approach. I have been strong advocate of the ps->pdf workflow but nowadays, I would promote the Save As... as providing a as good a quality output. Working on 2015 this week, I observed that Save As uses Distiller in any case, so by doing it manually only takes time and adds no other value. That was because the Adobe Acrobat license decided to screw itself up and I needed to reinstall Acrobat and all the other CC apps I use. huh, why do we need to reinstall this stuff all the time? Cheers Alan -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site <http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
Yes. It's somewhat akin to a change in the space-time continuum. - Original Message - From: "Lin Sims" To: loui...@mchsi.com Cc: "Rick Quatro" , "Framers List" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:05:59 PM Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production And the smoke we smell is a paradigm shifting? On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, wrote: > Ah, well all right then. That creaking sound you hear is me changing my > ways. > > Louise > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Quatro" > To: loui...@mchsi.com > Cc: "Framers List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:37:56 PM > Subject: RE: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed > to postscript for PDF production > > I always use Save As PDF. There were some older FrameMaker/Acrobat > combinations where Adobe's Dov Isaacs recommended the Print PS/Distill > approach, but that was a long time ago. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > 585-366-4017 > r...@frameexpert.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf > Of loui...@mchsi.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:20 PM > To: Tammy Van Boening > Cc: Framers List > Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to > postscript for PDF production > > Hi - > > I always distill a .ps file but had a client with cover art that would only > print using Frame's "Save As PDF". I couldn't tell you why, but I don't > really trust making a PDF this way, so I would extract just the cover page > from the "Save As PDF" file, and replace the cover in a PDF I made by > distilling a .ps. > > If this happened to you out of the blue, Robert's probably right and you'll > have to uninstall and reinstall to fix it. The "Save As" might do for now > though, if you're in a pinch. > > Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF > made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) > > Thanks for letting me glom onto your question Tammy! > > Louise > > Louise Kaufman > loui...@mchsi.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tammy Van Boening" > To: "Framers List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:07:41 PM > Subject: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to > postscript for PDF production > > HI All, > > I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having > a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with > bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of > the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print > the > entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and > then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job > option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets > stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins > and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print > job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand > why > this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover > file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part > of the final PDF production. > > Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could > recommend providing. > > TIA, > > TVB > > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/frame
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
Back when Dov Isaacs was still active on the list, he used to call it Reinstallsheimer's Disease. He was never convinced that it did anything useful in at least 90% of the cases reported. But I suppose if you're in the right zen frame of mind it gives you some time to calm down while you watch the progress indicator move ever so slowly... -FR From: Framers on behalf of Alan Litchfield Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:31 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production On 1/09/16 8:19 am, loui...@mchsi.com wrote: > Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made > by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) > More the latter, if you are referring to anything newer than version 9. There was much discussion on the list some time ago about the relative merits of either approach. I have been strong advocate of the ps->pdf workflow but nowadays, I would promote the Save As... as providing a as good a quality output. Working on 2015 this week, I observed that Save As uses Distiller in any case, so by doing it manually only takes time and adds no other value. That was because the Adobe Acrobat license decided to screw itself up and I needed to reinstall Acrobat and all the other CC apps I use. huh, why do we need to reinstall this stuff all the time? Cheers Alan -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site<http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
Or printing directly to PDF using the Adobe PDF virtual printer, which is the method I've used for more than a decade. -FR From: Framers on behalf of Alan Litchfield Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:09 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production I think I would try redistilling the pdf using your current diver. So, printing it to ps -> pdf or directly to pdf. Then reimport it and try again. I can't remember what version of FM you are running, but the newer versions have pretty good save to pdf functions now. What happens if you save directly to pdf? Good luck Alan On 1/09/16 7:07 am, Tammy Van Boening wrote: > HI All, > > I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having > a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with > bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of > the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print the > entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and > then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job > option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets > stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins > and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print > job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why > this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover > file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part > of the final PDF production. > > Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could > recommend providing. > > TIA, > > TVB > > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> [http://spectrumwritingllc.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/linkedinlogo-sm.jpg]<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com/> Spectrum Writing - Spectrum Writing's Blog<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com/> www.spectrumwritingllc.com Spectrum Writing offers technical writing and training consulting services for a diverse range of industries, with an emphasis in: Software for the life and physical sciences/biotechnology industries White papers for scientific products, services, and reagents/consumables We specialize in developing technical and training documentation and other deliverables that address the full spectrum of the product development life cycle, including: ... > TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
And the smoke we smell is a paradigm shifting? On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:43 PM, wrote: > Ah, well all right then. That creaking sound you hear is me changing my > ways. > > Louise > > > - Original Message - > From: "Rick Quatro" > To: loui...@mchsi.com > Cc: "Framers List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:37:56 PM > Subject: RE: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed > to postscript for PDF production > > I always use Save As PDF. There were some older FrameMaker/Acrobat > combinations where Adobe's Dov Isaacs recommended the Print PS/Distill > approach, but that was a long time ago. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > 585-366-4017 > r...@frameexpert.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf > Of loui...@mchsi.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:20 PM > To: Tammy Van Boening > Cc: Framers List > Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to > postscript for PDF production > > Hi - > > I always distill a .ps file but had a client with cover art that would only > print using Frame's "Save As PDF". I couldn't tell you why, but I don't > really trust making a PDF this way, so I would extract just the cover page > from the "Save As PDF" file, and replace the cover in a PDF I made by > distilling a .ps. > > If this happened to you out of the blue, Robert's probably right and you'll > have to uninstall and reinstall to fix it. The "Save As" might do for now > though, if you're in a pinch. > > Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF > made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) > > Thanks for letting me glom onto your question Tammy! > > Louise > > Louise Kaufman > loui...@mchsi.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tammy Van Boening" > To: "Framers List" > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:07:41 PM > Subject: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to > postscript for PDF production > > HI All, > > I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having > a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with > bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of > the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print > the > entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and > then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job > option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets > stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins > and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print > job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand > why > this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover > file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part > of the final PDF production. > > Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could > recommend providing. > > TIA, > > TVB > > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
I always use Save As PDF. There were some older FrameMaker/Acrobat combinations where Adobe's Dov Isaacs recommended the Print PS/Distill approach, but that was a long time ago. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of loui...@mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:20 PM To: Tammy Van Boening Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production Hi - I always distill a .ps file but had a client with cover art that would only print using Frame's "Save As PDF". I couldn't tell you why, but I don't really trust making a PDF this way, so I would extract just the cover page from the "Save As PDF" file, and replace the cover in a PDF I made by distilling a .ps. If this happened to you out of the blue, Robert's probably right and you'll have to uninstall and reinstall to fix it. The "Save As" might do for now though, if you're in a pinch. Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) Thanks for letting me glom onto your question Tammy! Louise Louise Kaufman loui...@mchsi.com - Original Message - From: "Tammy Van Boening" To: "Framers List" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:07:41 PM Subject: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production HI All, I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print the entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part of the final PDF production. Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could recommend providing. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
Ah, well all right then. That creaking sound you hear is me changing my ways. Louise - Original Message - From: "Rick Quatro" To: loui...@mchsi.com Cc: "Framers List" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:37:56 PM Subject: RE: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production I always use Save As PDF. There were some older FrameMaker/Acrobat combinations where Adobe's Dov Isaacs recommended the Print PS/Distill approach, but that was a long time ago. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of loui...@mchsi.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:20 PM To: Tammy Van Boening Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production Hi - I always distill a .ps file but had a client with cover art that would only print using Frame's "Save As PDF". I couldn't tell you why, but I don't really trust making a PDF this way, so I would extract just the cover page from the "Save As PDF" file, and replace the cover in a PDF I made by distilling a .ps. If this happened to you out of the blue, Robert's probably right and you'll have to uninstall and reinstall to fix it. The "Save As" might do for now though, if you're in a pinch. Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) Thanks for letting me glom onto your question Tammy! Louise Louise Kaufman loui...@mchsi.com - Original Message - From: "Tammy Van Boening" To: "Framers List" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:07:41 PM Subject: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production HI All, I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print the entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part of the final PDF production. Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could recommend providing. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
Thanks Alan (I think). lol Louise - Original Message - From: "Alan Litchfield" To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 3:31:47 PM Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production On 1/09/16 8:19 am, loui...@mchsi.com wrote: > Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made > by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) > More the latter, if you are referring to anything newer than version 9. There was much discussion on the list some time ago about the relative merits of either approach. I have been strong advocate of the ps->pdf workflow but nowadays, I would promote the Save As... as providing a as good a quality output. Working on 2015 this week, I observed that Save As uses Distiller in any case, so by doing it manually only takes time and adds no other value. That was because the Adobe Acrobat license decided to screw itself up and I needed to reinstall Acrobat and all the other CC apps I use. huh, why do we need to reinstall this stuff all the time? Cheers Alan -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
On 1/09/16 8:19 am, loui...@mchsi.com wrote: Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) More the latter, if you are referring to anything newer than version 9. There was much discussion on the list some time ago about the relative merits of either approach. I have been strong advocate of the ps->pdf workflow but nowadays, I would promote the Save As... as providing a as good a quality output. Working on 2015 this week, I observed that Save As uses Distiller in any case, so by doing it manually only takes time and adds no other value. That was because the Adobe Acrobat license decided to screw itself up and I needed to reinstall Acrobat and all the other CC apps I use. huh, why do we need to reinstall this stuff all the time? Cheers Alan -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
LOL. NP. Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com -Original Message- From: loui...@mchsi.com [mailto:loui...@mchsi.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:20 PM To: Tammy Van Boening Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production Hi - I always distill a .ps file but had a client with cover art that would only print using Frame's "Save As PDF". I couldn't tell you why, but I don't really trust making a PDF this way, so I would extract just the cover page from the "Save As PDF" file, and replace the cover in a PDF I made by distilling a .ps. If this happened to you out of the blue, Robert's probably right and you'll have to uninstall and reinstall to fix it. The "Save As" might do for now though, if you're in a pinch. Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) Thanks for letting me glom onto your question Tammy! Louise Louise Kaufman loui...@mchsi.com - Original Message - From: "Tammy Van Boening" To: "Framers List" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:07:41 PM Subject: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production HI All, I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print the entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part of the final PDF production. Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could recommend providing. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
Hi - I always distill a .ps file but had a client with cover art that would only print using Frame's "Save As PDF". I couldn't tell you why, but I don't really trust making a PDF this way, so I would extract just the cover page from the "Save As PDF" file, and replace the cover in a PDF I made by distilling a .ps. If this happened to you out of the blue, Robert's probably right and you'll have to uninstall and reinstall to fix it. The "Save As" might do for now though, if you're in a pinch. Can I tack on a related question? Am I right in not fully trusting a PDF made by "Save As"? Or do I just have deep-seated psychological issues? ;-) Thanks for letting me glom onto your question Tammy! Louise Louise Kaufman loui...@mchsi.com - Original Message - From: "Tammy Van Boening" To: "Framers List" Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 2:07:41 PM Subject: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production HI All, I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print the entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part of the final PDF production. Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could recommend providing. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
I think I would try redistilling the pdf using your current diver. So, printing it to ps -> pdf or directly to pdf. Then reimport it and try again. I can't remember what version of FM you are running, but the newer versions have pretty good save to pdf functions now. What happens if you save directly to pdf? Good luck Alan On 1/09/16 7:07 am, Tammy Van Boening wrote: HI All, I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print the entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part of the final PDF production. Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could recommend providing. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
I had that happen to me on Windows, maybe more than once. I think I had to reinstall both Acrobat and FrameMaker. Maybe I had to uninstall both first. I'm not sure since I had to reinstall so many times to recover from various bugs. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > > ... I used to use an Adobe printer driver on Mac that worked just fine for > years and years and years, generating good .ps files for dozens of books, and > then one day just didn't, and never did again, for no apparent reason. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
At 13:07 -0600 31/8/16, Tammy Van Boening wrote: >Of course, removing the Front cover file resolves the issue, but that isn't an >option . .. this has to be part of the final PDF production. Yeah, good stuff goes bad for no reason. That's part of the fun of computers. If you separate out the first page/page pair, can you distill that into a PDF? If so, a workaround might be to do that and then stitch onto the rest of the PDF with Acrobat. If you have the full Acrobat, of course. Aside from that, I'm not up to speed with recent version of FrameMaker/FrameMaker on Windows, I'm mostly familiar with the same process with the old Mac versions of FrameMaker, so I can't guess what might have gone wrong. When you say that nothing has changed, are you sure? Has the version of FrameMaker you are using changed? If you remove the graphic from the cover, does the rest of it distill? Do you know at what stage the hang is happening? Does it distill if you temporarily substitute another graphic? If you build a new one/two page FrameMaker doc with the graphic, will that distill? This sort of thing might give you some clues as to where the problem is. Back in the day I used to use an Adobe printer driver on Mac that worked just fine for years and years and years, generating good .ps files for dozens of books, and then one day just didn't, and never did again, for no apparent reason. Shit happens - especially when there are deadlines. -- Steve ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
yes, it is the Adobe PDF printer. Thanks! Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:23 PM To: Framers List Subject: Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production Did you check the selected printer is Adobe PDF (or a real PostScript printer) rather than some other printer? On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Tammy Van Boening < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > HI All, > > I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series > having a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a > PDF with bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the > first page of the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have > been able to print the entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, > to a postscript file, and then distill this file to produce a PDF > using just the Standard print job option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. > . . when the print job starts, it gets stuck on the FrontCover.fm file > and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins and I eventually have to > kill the process. As I am using the Standard print job, I haven't > changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why this has > happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover file > resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part > of the final PDF production. > > Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you > could recommend providing. > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
Did you check the selected printer is Adobe PDF (or a real PostScript printer) rather than some other printer? On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Tammy Van Boening < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > HI All, > > I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having > a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with > bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of > the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print > the > entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and > then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job > option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets > stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins > and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print > job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand > why > this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover > file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part > of the final PDF production. > > Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could > recommend providing. > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Longtime Frame File suddenly cannot be printed to postscript for PDF production
HI All, I have a series of 4 manuals for a longtime client, with each series having a unique graphic for the FrontCover.fm file. The graphic is a PDF with bleeding edges that is imported into an anchored frame on the first page of the two page file. For like a gazillion years, I have been able to print the entire book, including the FrontCover.fm file, to a postscript file, and then distill this file to produce a PDF using just the Standard print job option. Now, all of a sudden - blam. . . when the print job starts, it gets stuck on the FrontCover.fm file and goes nowhere. It just spins and spins and I eventually have to kill the process. As I am using the Standard print job, I haven't changed a single setting and I am at a loss to understand why this has happened/what has happened. Of course, removing the Front cover file resolves the issue, but that isn't an option . .. this has to be part of the final PDF production. Any and all thoughts are appreciated, including any settings that you could recommend providing. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com TammyVB *AT* spectrumwritingllc *DOT* com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
