[Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T17:25Z Windows 7 Enterprise operating system FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network == Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong." With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > MIF 2015 (.mif). The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif. Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old conditional text tags. I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad. Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window. In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed. "MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not. When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation." ¿Am I the only one who has experienced this? Thanks, Dave Stamm Information Engineer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
I never trust Notepad. Notepad++ is a free programming editor, very nice. You'll love it! Jack DeLand 734 972 3026 > On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Stamm, David wrote: > > 2016-11-17-04T17:25Z > > Windows 7 Enterprise operating system > > FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation > > FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network > > == > > Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong." > > With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > > MIF 2015 (.mif). The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif. > > Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various > and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old > conditional text tags. > > I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad. > > Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, > which displays the "Unknown file type" window. > > In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed. > "MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not. > > When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The > filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation." > > ¿Am I the only one who has experienced this? > > Thanks, > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer. > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
Skip Windows Explorer. Use File > Open in FrameMaker. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Stamm, David wrote: > ... Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker > 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T18:00Z Robert - Thanks for the suggestion, but no joy: the same thing happens. Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 12:57 To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files Skip Windows Explorer. Use File > Open in FrameMaker. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Stamm, David wrote: > ... Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker > 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
Are you able to open the MIF file *before* you make your deletions? If so, I'd have to guess that something is happening in the MIF editing that is not kosher and is, in fact, corrupting the file. Have you tried using any other text editor besides Notepad? It would be good to eliminate that application as the possible cause of the problem. -FR From: Framers on behalf of Stamm, David Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:25 PM To: FrameMaker user's list posting Subject: [Framers] Mif wash .book files 2016-11-17-04T17:25Z Windows 7 Enterprise operating system FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network == Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong." With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > MIF 2015 (.mif). The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif. Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old conditional text tags. I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad. Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window. In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed. "MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not. When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation." ¿Am I the only one who has experienced this? Thanks, Dave Stamm Information Engineer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site<http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ framers - mail-archive.com<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> www.mail-archive.com Messages by Thread [Framers] Anchored frames get a solid stroke Yves Barbion [Framers] Generated Structured TOC Hypertext Link Text David Hottman Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Framers Info Page - FrameUsers.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> lists.frameusers.com About the Framers email list. The purpose of this list is to share information about using Adobe Framemaker. We welcome experienced users, newcomers, and people ... Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T19:00Z Fred - You're onto something here. Right after I saved the file as .mif, I _was_ able to open it with FrameMaker. The only other "plain-text editor" I have conveniently available is WordPad, so I used that to delete only offending color definitions. I _was_ able to open the .mif file with FrameMaker after it displayed an informational window, the content of which I didn't "capture." I used WordPad a second time to delete some offending character tags and opened the .mif file with FrameMaker without complaint. Go figure. In the .mif file, each offending character tag was tagged as a "mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 13:43 To: Stamm, David-P45904; FrameMaker user's list posting Subject: Re: Mif wash .book files Are you able to open the MIF file *before* you make your deletions? If so, I'd have to guess that something is happening in the MIF editing that is not kosher and is, in fact, corrupting the file. Have you tried using any other text editor besides Notepad? It would be good to eliminate that application as the possible cause of the problem. -FR From: Framers mailto:framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com>> on behalf of Stamm, David mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:25 PM To: FrameMaker user's list posting Subject: [Framers] Mif wash .book files 2016-11-17-04T17:25Z Windows 7 Enterprise operating system FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network == Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong." With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > MIF 2015 (.mif). The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif. Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old conditional text tags. I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad. Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window. In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed. "MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not. When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation." ¿Am I the only one who has experienced this? Thanks, Dave Stamm Information Engineer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site<http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com<http://www.frameusers.com> Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ framers - mail-archive.com<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> www.mail-archive.com<http://www.mail-archive.com> Messages by Thread [Framers] Anchored frames get a solid stroke Yves Barbion [Framers] Generated Structured TOC Hypertext Link Text David Hottman Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Framers Info Page - FrameUsers.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> lists.frameusers.com About the Framers email list. The purpose of this list is to share information about using Adobe Framemaker. We welcome experienced users, newcomers, and people ... Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T19:15Z Robert - You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. ¿So, what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11 To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
At 19:14 + 17/11/16, Stamm, David wrote: >You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. ¿So, >what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? Wildly guessing here based on Mac experience A MIF file is an ASCII text file. So you have to think, what could go wrong with an ASCII text file? . Variations in character encoding standards . Non-compliance with the expected line end character/character combo (i.e. LF, CR, CR+LF and so on) . Fniger troulbe when editing ;-) and so on. On Mac I never had any issues with MIF-washing, but saying that doesn't help you. I've now got a mixed-platform system and editors that can display invisible characters, so happy to run trials if that would help. -- Steve ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably Notepad++. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David wrote: > 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z > > Robert - > > You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. ¿So, > what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? > > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11 > To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files > > It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, > save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
I swear by Notepad++ On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality > text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably > Notepad++. > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David > wrote: > > 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z > > > > Robert - > > > > You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. > ¿So, what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? > > > > Dave Stamm > > Information Engineer > > > > -Original Message- > > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > > Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11 > > To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files > > > > It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in > Notepad, save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/ > framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/ > listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- <http://www.actifio.com/>*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs <http://twitter.com/actifiodocs> 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 <http://twitter.com/actifio><http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246> <https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts> <http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio><http://www.actifio.com/> *Manage, access, and protect your data with a single platform that saves you time, money, and complexity.* ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T20:05Z To those who have recommended Notepad++, I’ll look into it, but constraints here might not allow it. At home, I use it. Regardless, thanks for the suggestions. Dave Stamm Information Engineer From: John Sgammato [mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com] Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:59 To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files I swear by Notepad++ On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>> wrote: It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably Notepad++. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com>> wrote: > 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z > > Robert - > > You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. ¿So, > what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? > > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com>] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11 > To: Stamm, David-P45904; > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files > > It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, > save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> -- [http://www.actifio.com/assets/sig_logo.png]<http://www.actifio.com/> John Sgammato, Documentation Architect e john.sgamm...@actifio.com<mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com> c 508.927.2083 t @actifiodocs<http://twitter.com/actifiodocs> 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 [http://www.actifio.com/assets/twitter1.png]<http://twitter.com/actifio> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/linkedin1.png] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/googleplus.png] <https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/youtube1.png] <http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/rss1.png] <http://www.actifio.com/> Manage, access, and protect your data with a single platform that saves you time, money, and complexity. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T20:00Z Steve - Thanks for that peek into the arcana of ASCII files: I learned something there. To further the test, I opened the .mif file with SyncRO Soft XML Editor, saved the file as a copy, and opened the copy with FrameMaker. Then I used XML Editor to delete some cruft and to save the file. FrameMaker opened the file just fine. Given the mysterious (to me) performance of Notepad, here's what I think might have happened. Somewhere in that perfectly-good .mif file, Notepad found a "0" and turned it sideways to try to be a "1." If that wasn't enough, then Notepad laid the "1" on its side and tried to make it into an underscore. FrameMaker easily detected the ruse and refused to recognize the corrupted file. That's my story, and I plan to stick to it (until further notice in case I actually learn the cause of the problem). Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:33 To: Stamm, David-P45904; Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files At 19:14 + 17/11/16, Stamm, David wrote: >You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. ¿So, >what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? Wildly guessing here based on Mac experience A MIF file is an ASCII text file. So you have to think, what could go wrong with an ASCII text file? . Variations in character encoding standards . Non-compliance with the expected line end character/character combo (i.e. LF, CR, CR+LF and so on) . Fniger troulbe when editing ;-) and so on. On Mac I never had any issues with MIF-washing, but saying that doesn't help you. I've now got a mixed-platform system and editors that can display invisible characters, so happy to run trials if that would help. -- Steve ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T20:10Z Jack - Yes, your posts got through, as did your message. Whether I can act on your message is another matter. Thanks, Dave Stamm Information Engineer -Original Message- From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 15:08 To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files Are my posts not getting through? Recommend this quite a while back. Jack DeLand 734 972 3026 > On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality > text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably > Notepad++. > >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David wrote: >> 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z >> >> Robert - >> >> You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. >> ¿So, what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? >> >> Dave Stamm >> Information Engineer >> >> -Original Message- >> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] >> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston >> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11 >> To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files >> >> It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, >> save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
You could find out exactly how Notepad is corrupting the file by opening a MIF, saving a copy, and using the FC command to compare the two. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
Never use Notepad !! Its saves without BOMsee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark And that distroyes the file. Use Notepad++ instead. Am 17.11.2016 um 18:42 schrieb Jack DeLand: I never trust Notepad. Notepad++ is a free programming editor, very nice. You'll love it! Jack DeLand 734 972 3026 On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Stamm, David wrote: 2016-11-17-04T17:25Z Windows 7 Enterprise operating system FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network == Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong." With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > MIF 2015 (.mif). The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif. Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old conditional text tags. I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad. Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window. In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed. "MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not. When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation." ¿Am I the only one who has experienced this? Thanks, Dave Stamm Information Engineer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Klaus Göbel (Entwicklung) __ 4XScripts Mitschke & Partner Münchenerstraße 35A 82362 Weilheim Tel.: +49 881 12233116 Homeoffice: Tel.: +49 881 1359 4054 +49 152 53978874 Mail: developm...@4xscripts.com www.4XScripts.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
2016-11-17-04T20:25Z All – Thanks again for the help to chase up the cause of and the solution to the problem. Good news for me: I’m installing Notepad++ as I type. ¡Thanks! Dave Stamm Information Engineer From: John Sgammato [mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com] Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:59 To: Robert Lauriston Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files I swear by Notepad++ On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>> wrote: It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably Notepad++. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David mailto:david.st...@gd-ms.com>> wrote: > 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z > > Robert - > > You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. ¿So, > what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? > > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer > > -Original Message- > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com> > [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com>] On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11 > To: Stamm, David-P45904; > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files > > It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, > save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> -- [http://www.actifio.com/assets/sig_logo.png]<http://www.actifio.com/> John Sgammato, Documentation Architect e john.sgamm...@actifio.com<mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com> c 508.927.2083 t @actifiodocs<http://twitter.com/actifiodocs> 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 [http://www.actifio.com/assets/twitter1.png]<http://twitter.com/actifio> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/linkedin1.png] <http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/googleplus.png] <https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/youtube1.png] <http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio> [http://www.actifio.com/assets/rss1.png] <http://www.actifio.com/> Manage, access, and protect your data with a single platform that saves you time, money, and complexity. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
To open a MIF file in FM as plain text, press and hold Shift (or Ctrl) when choosing Open, then choose Text in the dialog box that appears. (Working from long-unused human memory experience.) See: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/help.html?content=Chap2-FrameMaker-Basics_099.html Save the file as Text when done editing to keep it in MIF format. In FM, open normally to convert the MIF text into FM format. Save as FM. HTH. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
No. Corruption is because of the missing BOM(see my last post). That is only one Byte that you can't see in normal view Am 17.11.2016 um 21:14 schrieb Robert Lauriston: You could find out exactly how Notepad is corrupting the file by opening a MIF, saving a copy, and using the FC command to compare the two. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Klaus Göbel (Entwicklung) __ 4XScripts Mitschke & Partner Münchenerstraße 35A 82362 Weilheim Tel.: +49 881 12233116 Homeoffice: Tel.: +49 881 1359 4054 +49 152 53978874 Mail: developm...@4xscripts.com www.4XScripts.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
Thanks for verifying- been having Comcast troubles. Jack DeLand 734 972 3026 > On Nov 17, 2016, at 3:11 PM, Stamm, David wrote: > > 2016-11-17-04T20:10Z > > Jack - > > Yes, your posts got through, as did your message. Whether I can act on your > message is another matter. > > Thanks, > Dave Stamm > Information Engineer > > -Original Message- > From: Jack DeLand [mailto:jackdel...@comcast.net] > Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 15:08 > To: Robert Lauriston > Cc: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files > > Are my posts not getting through? Recommend this quite a while back. > > Jack DeLand > 734 972 3026 > >> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: >> >> It doesn't matter why Notepad sucks, you need a professional-quality >> text editor. The most popular among tech writers is probably >> Notepad++. >> >>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Stamm, David >>> wrote: >>> 2016-11-17-04T19:15Z >>> >>> Robert - >>> >>> You, too, have hit upon something. Your test resulted in no joy again. >>> ¿So, what does Notepad do that corrupts the .mif file? >>> >>> Dave Stamm >>> Information Engineer >>> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] >>> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston >>> Sent: 2016-11-17-Thursday 14:11 >>> To: Stamm, David-P45904; framers@lists.frameusers.com >>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files >>> >>> It's easy to check if Notepad is the issue. Save as .mif, open in Notepad, >>> save a copy, open the copy in FrameMaker. >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's >> homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
Wow. All those years I spent using FrameMaker all day, every day at work and I never knew you could use it as a text editor. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Peter Gold wrote: > To open a MIF file in FM as plain text, press and hold Shift (or Ctrl) when > choosing Open, then choose Text in the dialog box that appears. (Working > from long-unused human memory experience.) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
Yeah, even we old dogs can learn new tricks [😉] ! Craig From: Framers on behalf of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files Wow. All those years I spent using FrameMaker all day, every day at work and I never knew you could use it as a text editor. On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Peter Gold wrote: > To open a MIF file in FM as plain text, press and hold Shift (or Ctrl) when > choosing Open, then choose Text in the dialog box that appears. (Working > from long-unused human memory experience.) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com FrameUsers.com - The Adobe FrameMaker Online Reference Site<http://www.frameusers.com/> www.frameusers.com Adobe FrameMaker software is a template-based authoring and publishing solution for unstructured, structured, and XML/DITA content. There is a large and loyal ... Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ framers - mail-archive.com<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> www.mail-archive.com Messages by Thread [Framers] Anchored frames get a solid stroke Yves Barbion [Framers] Generated Structured TOC Hypertext Link Text David Hottman Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Framers Info Page - FrameUsers.com<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> lists.frameusers.com About the Framers email list. The purpose of this list is to share information about using Adobe Framemaker. We welcome experienced users, newcomers, and people ... Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OutlookEmoji-?.png Type: image/png Size: 390 bytes Desc: OutlookEmoji-?.png URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20161118/5d134287/attachment.png> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif wash .book files
I agree! Notepad++ Is the best free text editor around. On November 17, 2016 at 10:42 AM Jack DeLand wrote: I never trust Notepad. Notepad++ is a free programming editor, very nice. You'll love it! Jack DeLand 734 972 3026 On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Stamm, David wrote: 2016-11-17-04T17:25Z Windows 7 Enterprise operating system FrameMaker 2015 Release (13.0.5.547) installed on workstation FrameMaker source and inset files are on a server on our local area network == Help, please, even if only to tell me that I'm "holding my mouth wrong." With [BookName].book open, on the menu bar, I choose File | Save Book As... > MIF 2015 (.mif). The program saves the .book file as [BookName].mif. Through Windows Explorer, I open [BookName].mif with Notepad, delete various and sundry cruft such bad color definitions, old character tags, and old conditional text tags. I save [BookName].mif and exit Notepad. Through Windows Explorer, I try to open [BookName].mif with FrameMaker 2015, which displays the "Unknown file type" window. In the "Unknown file type" window, there are numerous types of file listed. "MIF" is among the choices, but .fm is not. When I choose "MIF" and the "Convert" button, the program complains that "The filter encountered an error and could not complete the translation." �Am I the only one who has experienced this? Thanks, Dave Stamm Information Engineer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com