Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
Perhaps scaling, but not so the mouse pointers and cursors. I am using the 2019 version on Windows 10 and Frame has its own cursors and pointers, ignoring anything you configure at the OS level. It's insanely annoying as the cursor gets lost (for me) in the text, and there's nothing I can do to make it larger or a contrasting color. The mouse pointer changes from Adobe's default tiny black cursor to your OS-level settings when you mouse out of the document window to access floating pods and while utilizing those pods, but as soon as you're back in the document window, it's back to Adobe's rigid UI settings. Frame is incredibly accessibility-hostile IMO. -Dan -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Reng Winfried Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:38 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products Hi Robert, Yes. This was correct for old versions. However, with FM 2019 (as far as I recall) FM was updated, so that it observes settings like scaling for your monitor, etc. And obviously also the mouse pointer. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 8:54 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products FrameMaker isn't a normal Windows application. Since FM9 it has used a proprietary UI layer instead. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:59 AM Simon BUCH wrote: > > Hello, > > Windows 10 allows for mouse cursor pointers to be customised, and so I > when I give training course, I like to use a larger mouse pointer, and > colour it so that you can see it more easily when your video output it > for a projector. > > The larger mouse pointers work well on many applications. > Except Adobe. > > * Adobe Acrobat Reader shows the large size & coloured mouse pointer > at the expected size when viewing Help > About Adobe Acrobat Reader, > or when accessing dialogs, such as Edit > Preferences. But as soon as > your mouse pointer touches the PDF document, it shrivels to the > standard monochrome pointer at the default Windows size. > > * Adobe FrameMaker 2017 appears to use some historic UI constructs. > Click inside your document, and the mouse pointer stays large, but > becomes badly blocky and monochrome, and looks like it's an 8 bit > application with zero anti-aliasing, completely devoid of any colour > concept. The structure view is similarly affected. > > Does anyone else have accessibility issues with Adobe Products? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!qyXnySYNsnYLYFnecXyd0nJ_MgExFQ7ZZgYLyjGcbOgvWewM9DHXc4iMBLDBMiX2dgk$ Archives located at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!qyXnySYNsnYLYFnecXyd0nJ_MgExFQ7ZZgYLyjGcbOgvWewM9DHXc4iMBLDBPrd5kFE$ Subscribe and unsubscribe at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!qyXnySYNsnYLYFnecXyd0nJ_MgExFQ7ZZgYLyjGcbOgvWewM9DHXc4iMBLDBfD9-TLg$ Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
Or not so obviously, given this thread. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:38 PM Reng Winfried wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > Yes. This was correct for old versions. > However, with FM 2019 (as far as I recall) FM was updated, > so that it observes settings like scaling for your monitor, etc. > And obviously also the mouse pointer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
Hi Robert, Yes. This was correct for old versions. However, with FM 2019 (as far as I recall) FM was updated, so that it observes settings like scaling for your monitor, etc. And obviously also the mouse pointer. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 8:54 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products FrameMaker isn't a normal Windows application. Since FM9 it has used a proprietary UI layer instead. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:59 AM Simon BUCH wrote: > > Hello, > > Windows 10 allows for mouse cursor pointers to be customised, and so I > when I give training course, I like to use a larger mouse pointer, and > colour it so that you can see it more easily when your video output it > for a projector. > > The larger mouse pointers work well on many applications. > Except Adobe. > > * Adobe Acrobat Reader shows the large size & coloured mouse pointer > at the expected size when viewing Help > About Adobe Acrobat Reader, > or when accessing dialogs, such as Edit > Preferences. But as soon as > your mouse pointer touches the PDF document, it shrivels to the > standard monochrome pointer at the default Windows size. > > * Adobe FrameMaker 2017 appears to use some historic UI constructs. > Click inside your document, and the mouse pointer stays large, but > becomes badly blocky and monochrome, and looks like it's an 8 bit > application with zero anti-aliasing, completely devoid of any colour > concept. The structure view is similarly affected. > > Does anyone else have accessibility issues with Adobe Products? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
FrameMaker isn't a normal Windows application. Since FM9 it has used a proprietary UI layer instead. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:59 AM Simon BUCH wrote: > > Hello, > > Windows 10 allows for mouse cursor pointers to be customised, and so I > when I give training course, I like to use a larger mouse pointer, and > colour it so that you can see it more easily when your video output it > for a projector. > > The larger mouse pointers work well on many applications. > Except Adobe. > > * Adobe Acrobat Reader shows the large size & coloured mouse pointer at > the expected size when viewing Help > About Adobe Acrobat Reader, or > when accessing dialogs, such as Edit > Preferences. But as soon as your > mouse pointer touches the PDF document, it shrivels to the standard > monochrome pointer at the default Windows size. > > * Adobe FrameMaker 2017 appears to use some historic UI constructs. > Click inside your document, and the mouse pointer stays large, but > becomes badly blocky and monochrome, and looks like it's an 8 bit > application with zero anti-aliasing, completely devoid of any colour > concept. The structure view is similarly affected. > > Does anyone else have accessibility issues with Adobe Products? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
Hi, Yes. In Acrobat the mouse pointer size is ignored. You could create a bug report here: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home However, in FM 2020 a large mouse pointer is still large. You cannot expect that FM 2017 would be fixed. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Simon BUCH Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 10:00 AM To: Framers Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products Hello, Windows 10 allows for mouse cursor pointers to be customised, and so I when I give training course, I like to use a larger mouse pointer, and colour it so that you can see it more easily when your video output it for a projector. The larger mouse pointers work well on many applications. Except Adobe. * Adobe Acrobat Reader shows the large size & coloured mouse pointer at the expected size when viewing Help > About Adobe Acrobat Reader, or when accessing dialogs, such as Edit > Preferences. But as soon as your mouse pointer touches the PDF document, it shrivels to the standard monochrome pointer at the default Windows size. * Adobe FrameMaker 2017 appears to use some historic UI constructs. Click inside your document, and the mouse pointer stays large, but becomes badly blocky and monochrome, and looks like it's an 8 bit application with zero anti-aliasing, completely devoid of any colour concept. The structure view is similarly affected. Does anyone else have accessibility issues with Adobe Products? // Simon BUCH ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
Was using a large point with trails. Trying out an alternative to see if it is easier to folloe. Paul Wilbraham Senior Consultant & Trainer M-AIS T: 0131 226 5893 M: 07928 797 281 On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 08:59, Simon BUCH wrote: > Hello, > > Windows 10 allows for mouse cursor pointers to be customised, and so I > when I give training course, I like to use a larger mouse pointer, and > colour it so that you can see it more easily when your video output it > for a projector. > > The larger mouse pointers work well on many applications. > Except Adobe. > > * Adobe Acrobat Reader shows the large size & coloured mouse pointer at > the expected size when viewing Help > About Adobe Acrobat Reader, or > when accessing dialogs, such as Edit > Preferences. But as soon as your > mouse pointer touches the PDF document, it shrivels to the standard > monochrome pointer at the default Windows size. > > * Adobe FrameMaker 2017 appears to use some historic UI constructs. > Click inside your document, and the mouse pointer stays large, but > becomes badly blocky and monochrome, and looks like it's an 8 bit > application with zero anti-aliasing, completely devoid of any colour > concept. The structure view is similarly affected. > > Does anyone else have accessibility issues with Adobe Products? > > // Simon BUCH > > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
Hello, Windows 10 allows for mouse cursor pointers to be customised, and so I when I give training course, I like to use a larger mouse pointer, and colour it so that you can see it more easily when your video output it for a projector. The larger mouse pointers work well on many applications. Except Adobe. * Adobe Acrobat Reader shows the large size & coloured mouse pointer at the expected size when viewing Help > About Adobe Acrobat Reader, or when accessing dialogs, such as Edit > Preferences. But as soon as your mouse pointer touches the PDF document, it shrivels to the standard monochrome pointer at the default Windows size. * Adobe FrameMaker 2017 appears to use some historic UI constructs. Click inside your document, and the mouse pointer stays large, but becomes badly blocky and monochrome, and looks like it's an 8 bit application with zero anti-aliasing, completely devoid of any colour concept. The structure view is similarly affected. Does anyone else have accessibility issues with Adobe Products? // Simon BUCH ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
