Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[D L Reynolds]

Re: Fred Ridder —

> Without addressing the specific questions you have asked, I'd like to suggest 
> that you document any out-of-the-ordinary setups or practices in the master 
> pages.

Great suggestion, thanks.

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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Shmuel Wolfson]

You could change the Running H/F in that doc to be a higher lever 
heading or you could just put the document name "Frequently Asked 
Questions" instead of the Running H/F.


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From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of 
Monique Semp <monique.s...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 12:01 PM
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Subject: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

Hello, Framers,

For an FAQ doc, I've broken the usual "rule" of sensible-length headings 
because I'm making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, the 
headings are often 3- or 4-lines.

The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading text in the recto 
footers, via the "Running H/F #" variable. And with these very long headings, the text 
overruns the available space in the footer, pushes the footer "artwork" (just a nice pipe 
line between the heading text and the page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates 
the page number.

So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this 
sort of issue?

(I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, creating a new hidden-text heading 
style for the truncated text that I'd wish in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading 
to the "Running H/F #" definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, for example, 
"heading 1" and "heading 1 page". But this is certainly a hassle, and won't be at all 
obvious to some other writer, or my future self.)

Thanks for suggestions,
-Monique

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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Lin Sims]

I am incorrect on the alert. It's a hypertext command that only works in
PDF files, apparently. Although a small script that runs on file creation
might work.

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> I think you can use reference pages for the same thing, can't you? I seem
> to recall coming across that as a suggestion. Again, anyone else would need
> to know to look there.
>
> If you can find the procedure to do so, you can add an alert that pops up
> anytime the template is used to tell people to look at either the master or
> reference pages for information. (I know it's do-able, but I've never done
> it, so I don't know how.)
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Steve Rickaby <
> srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote:
>>
>> >So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with
>> this sort of issue?
>>
>> The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with
>> the author(s).
>>
>> Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff.
>>
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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Lin Sims]

I think you can use reference pages for the same thing, can't you? I seem
to recall coming across that as a suggestion. Again, anyone else would need
to know to look there.

If you can find the procedure to do so, you can add an alert that pops up
anytime the template is used to tell people to look at either the master or
reference pages for information. (I know it's do-able, but I've never done
it, so I don't know how.)

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Steve Rickaby <
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote:
>
> >So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with
> this sort of issue?
>
> The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with
> the author(s).
>
> Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff.
>
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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:01 -0700 15/8/16, Monique Semp wrote:

>So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this 
>sort of issue?

The few times I've hit this issue, I've negotiated a shorter heading with the 
author(s).

Fred's tip is bang on if you have to use foxy stuff.

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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Pat Christenson]

I ran into this recently (our training manuals use questions for second-level 
heads). I created a table in the header of the master page and set the cells' 
content to align-bottom. Long heads stack. It actually looks pretty good.

I don't think my manager would go for truncated headings.

Pat Christenson

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From: Framers 
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On Behalf Of Monique Semp
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 11:01 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

Hello, Framers,

For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings 
because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, 
the headings are often 3- or 4-lines.

The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading 
text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And with these 
very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes 
the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the 
page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number.

So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this 
sort of issue?

(I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, 
creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d wish 
in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the 
“Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, 
for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is certainly a hassle, 
and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.)

Thanks for suggestions,
-Monique
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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Fred Ridder]

Without addressing the specific questions you have asked, I'd like to suggest 
that you document any out-of-the-ordinary setups or practices in the master 
pages. It's a little-known fact that you can put text into the dummy body frame 
on a master page, and that this text will be saved there but will never appear 
in your deliverable documents. If you store text this way on custom master 
pages, it *will* be subject to deletion if you delete the entire master page, 
but using the default left and right master pages makes the notes relatively 
immune to accidental deletion. The only downside is that everyone using the 
template will need to know to look on the master pages to find this kind of 
helpful information.


-FR


From: Framers <framers-bounces+docudoc=hotmail@lists.frameusers.com> on 
behalf of Monique Semp <monique.s...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 12:01 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

Hello, Framers,

For an FAQ doc, I've broken the usual "rule" of sensible-length headings 
because I'm making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, 
the headings are often 3- or 4-lines.

The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading 
text in the recto footers, via the "Running H/F #" variable. And with these 
very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes 
the footer "artwork" (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the 
page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number.

So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this 
sort of issue?

(I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, 
creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I'd wish 
in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the 
"Running H/F #" definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, 
for example, "heading 1" and "heading 1 page". But this is certainly a hassle, 
and won't be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.)

Thanks for suggestions,
-Monique

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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[john . x . posada]

Figure out how to do reasonable length headings. Doing very long headings
will continue to plague you on other issues. There's a reason there is a
rule on sensible lengths.

or make the footer a smaller tighter text font.

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From:   "Monique Semp" <monique.s...@earthlink.net>
To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Date:   08/15/2016 12:01 PM
Subject:    [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?
Sent by:"Framers"   



Hello, Framers,

For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings
because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font
size, the headings are often 3- or 4-lines.

The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the
heading text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And
with these very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the
footer, pushes the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the
heading text and the page number) to the wrong spot, and completely
obliterates the page number.

So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with
this sort of issue?

(I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings,
creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d
wish in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to
the “Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to
account for, for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is
certainly a hassle, and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my
future self.)

Thanks for suggestions,
-Monique
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Re: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Monique,

I would configure the Running H/F variable to use one of the <$marker#> 
building blocks. Then I would create a simple script that would read each 
heading, and add a Header/Footer $# marker to the paragraph, truncating the 
text to a certain length and add an ellipses at the end. You could do this 
manually, but if the FAQ doc is long, scripting it would make it easier to 
maintain.

Rick

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From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Monique Semp
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 12:01 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

Hello, Framers,

For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings 
because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, 
the headings are often 3- or 4-lines.

The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading 
text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And with these 
very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes 
the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the 
page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number.

So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this 
sort of issue?

(I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, 
creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d wish 
in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the 
“Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, 
for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is certainly a hassle, 
and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.)

Thanks for suggestions,
-Monique
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[Framers] heading text in "Running H/F #" - clever truncation ?

[Monique Semp]

Hello, Framers,

For an FAQ doc, I’ve broken the usual “rule” of sensible-length headings 
because I’m making them be the full text of a question. So with the font size, 
the headings are often 3- or 4-lines.

The problem is that I have my master pages configured to include the heading 
text in the recto footers, via the “Running H/F #” variable. And with these 
very long headings, the text overruns the available space in the footer, pushes 
the footer “artwork” (just a nice pipe line between the heading text and the 
page number) to the wrong spot, and completely obliterates the page number.

So, what sorts of schemes/work-arounds have people created to deal with this 
sort of issue?

(I can imagine creating a new heading style for the long-winded headings, 
creating a new hidden-text heading style for the truncated text that I’d wish 
in the footer, and then adding the style for the truncated heading to the 
“Running H/F #” definition, which already has multiple styles to account for, 
for example, “heading 1” and “heading 1 page”. But this is certainly a hassle, 
and won’t be at all obvious to some other writer, or my future self.)

Thanks for suggestions,
-Monique
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