RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Now I understand Adobe's marketing scheme. If they ship it to you, it comes in a cardboard box. Buy Acrobat and get a free Xbox while supplies last. (apologies to Microsoft). Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:22 PM To: Frame Users Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Well, darn. I misread the original message and thought you were talking about FrameMaker 10 coming out. I knew about Acrobat X. Good luck getting people to pronounce it as Acrobat 10. I still hear people say OSX instead of OS 10. What a stupid naming idea. You just know some bug will be found which will cause users to say that Acrobat X accidentally deletes files and creates X-files. They're just asking for it. On the other hand, version 30 will probably sell like hotcakes. I hope the next version of FrameMaker stays with Arabic numerals instead of converting to Roman ones. Sheesh. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jhar...@cambridgesoft.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jharvey%40cambridges oft.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Now I understand Adobe's marketing scheme. If they ship it to you, it comes in a cardboard box. "Buy Acrobat and get a free Xbox while supplies last." (apologies to Microsoft). Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:22 PM To: Frame Users Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Well, darn. I misread the original message and thought you were talking about FrameMaker 10 coming out. I knew about Acrobat "X." Good luck getting people to pronounce it as Acrobat 10. I still hear people say OSX instead of OS 10. What a stupid naming idea. You just know some bug will be found which will cause users to say that Acrobat X accidentally deletes files and creates X-files. They're just asking for it. On the other hand, version 30 will probably sell like hotcakes. I hope the next version of FrameMaker stays with Arabic numerals instead of converting to Roman ones. Sheesh. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jharvey at cambridgesoft.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jharvey%40cambridges oft.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
So free support isn't really free ! Peter -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of William Abernathy Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:37 PM To: Yves Barbion Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! Was he trying to say they have *to* offer free support? In other words, does EU law (or general expectation of EU customers) require free product support? If so, this might explain the difference: $229 gets you a product out the door; $554 buys you hand-holding (whether you predict you will ask for it or not...). Just guessing here... --William -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as pe...@galley.ie. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/peter%40galley.ie Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
There is no such thing as a free lunch, Peter. ;-) By the way, the price ratio seems to be the same for other products too: the prices in the US store are 53 % of the prices in the European store! Hmmm, I'm wondering is there is anyone buying FrameMaker 9 Server in Europe, priced at 10746 EUR (14 967 USD). The price in the US store is 5685 EUR (7919 USD). I'm curious what the prices are in China or India, but they don't seem to have an online Adobe Store (yet). On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Peter Hirons pe...@galley.ie wrote: So free support isn't really free ! Peter ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me? Darryl, maybe? tims :) -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:41 PM To: Yves Barbion Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I had this same situation on this list some time back. I said this on the list on 18 October, 2009 (http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2009-October/018261.html ) Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 for the same thing for International customers. There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for shipping a small box anyway. No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly no one on the helpdesk. There was some discussion of it then. Michael learned a new word then: rort. Darryl learned something too. If in doubt, obfuscate. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 3:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tsla...@isdcorporation.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tslager%40isdcorporation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
How quaint. Roman Numerals for a software release. Will the documentation be created using Old English Text? I'm very curious why Marketing chose to do that. Debbie Layton Technical Writer Customer Publications 503.582.6822 debbie.lay...@xerox.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced Acrobat Ten - as usual, it's a marketing thing ... - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is X instead of 10. :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as debbie.lay...@xerox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/debbie.layton%40xero x.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
As near as I can tell from their website, Adobe have abandoned the 3-D functionality altogether in version 10. So a big chunk of extended is gone from Acrobat X Pro anyway. Maybe they should pay us to make the switch from Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to Acrobat X Pro! Oh well. John -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? Steve Pawlowskis Technology Coordinator Kaufman Company, Inc. 19 Walkhill Road Norwood MA 02062 Phone:617.218.1765 Mobile: 774.437.1409 Toll Free:800.338.8023 ext. 165 Fax: 617.218.1746 E-mail: ste...@kaufmanco.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:35 PM To: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'Mike Wickham' Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought Acrobat X (pronounced 10) meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the artist formerly known as Prince for all you old- timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said Acrobat X (pronounced 10). In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ste...@kaufmanco.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/stevep%40kaufmanco. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ _ Kaufman Company scans and filters all incoming e-mail for viruses, SPAM and questionable material. ___ _ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Well, RoboHelp started getting wonky with regard to versions after 1999. Versions went: 7 2000 9 2002 X3 X4 X5 6 7 8 9 Notice two version 7s and two version 9s, each roughly 10 years apart. I've learned not to think on these things too hard. It hurts. Bill On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Layton, Debbie debbie.lay...@xerox.com wrote: How quaint. Roman Numerals for a software release. Will the documentation be created using Old English Text? I'm very curious why Marketing chose to do that. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
That would be the most interesting software in the world. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis ste...@kaufmanco.com wrote: If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? Steve Pawlowskis Technology Coordinator ROFL! Maybe that is what they were drinking when they came up with Acrobat X. :) :) Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I don't PDF often, but when I do, I use DOS XX Bernard - Original Message - From: techcommd...@gmail.com To: ste...@kaufmanco.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: 10/29/10 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy That would be the most interesting software in the world. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis wrote: If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bern...@publishingsmarter.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernard%40publishingsmarter.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Not if it's pronounced Dos Ten Ten. Nadine --- On Fri, 10/29/10, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy To: Steve Pawlowskis ste...@kaufmanco.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 9:42 AM That would be the most interesting software in the world. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis ste...@kaufmanco.com wrote: If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. io ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Because it works for Apple. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Layton, Debbie debbie.lay...@xerox.com wrote: How quaint. Roman Numerals for a software release. Will the documentation be created using Old English Text? I'm very curious why Marketing chose to do that. Debbie Layton Technical Writer Customer Publications 503.582.6822 debbie.lay...@xerox.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced Acrobat Ten - as usual, it's a marketing thing ... - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is X instead of 10. :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as debbie.lay...@xerox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/debbie.layton%40xero x.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Dos Ten Ten: The first puppy born to Rin and Lassie -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:09 AM To: Steve Pawlowskis; Bill Swallow Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Not if it's pronounced Dos Ten Ten. Nadine --- On Fri, 10/29/10, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com Subject: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy To: Steve Pawlowskis ste...@kaufmanco.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 9:42 AM That would be the most interesting software in the world. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis ste...@kaufmanco.com wrote: If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.c a Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. io ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as darren.butler@robins.af.mil. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
from Collins English Dictionary . . .
X (symbol)
1. indicating a film that may not be shown to anyone under 18 years of
age.
2. denoting an unknown
3. (on letters, cards, etc.) a kiss
4. (on ballot papers, etc.) a choice
5. (on examination papers, etc.) an error
6. for Christ: Christian [from the glyph of Grk. letter khi], 1st
letter of Khristos
7. {and last} the Roman numeral for 10 from the extinct Latin
language-alphabet
writers choice . . . XOXO - representation of modern binary counting
system for 10
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I don't PDF often, but when I do, I use DOS XX
Bernard
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That would be the most interesting software in the world.
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis wrote:
If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it
be Acrobat DOS XX ?
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RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Sorry about perpetuating a rumour. It must have been Acrobat X, not FrameMaker X, but I can't find the email. I don't have time to beta test--probably a good thing since I didn't know what it was anyway. Fei Min p.s. My discussion list posting was delayed by hours so I only found out about my mistake today. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:27 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Yeah, it's really quite amusing. I got an email about beta testing FrameMaker X, and they said that X is pronounced ten. Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
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On 29/10/2010, at 8:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I > recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw > that. > > And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe > upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro > *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only > one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can > know). > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be > lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended > version! > In the inimitable words of Darryl: "Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'." (That's my new answer for everything). Alan -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice
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Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)" meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: > How about the software application formerly known as Adobe > Framemaker? (Ya' > know, like the "artist formerly known as Prince" for all you old- > timers out > there - dating myself I know!!) > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM > To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X > (pronounced 10)". > In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product > name, it > isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version > isn't XI. > -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice
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So "free" support isn't really free ! Peter -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of William Abernathy Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:37 PM To: Yves Barbion Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > Was he trying to say they "have *to* offer free support?" In other words, does EU law (or general expectation of EU customers) require free product support? If so, this might explain the difference: $229 gets you a product out the door; $554 buys you hand-holding (whether you predict you will ask for it or not...). Just guessing here... --William -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as peter at galley.ie. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/peter%40galley.ie Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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There is no such thing as a free lunch, Peter. ;-) By the way, the price ratio seems to be the same for other products too: the prices in the US store are 53 % of the prices in the European store! Hmmm, I'm wondering is there is anyone buying FrameMaker 9 Server in Europe, priced at 10746 EUR (14 967 USD). The price in the US store is 5685 EUR (7919 USD). I'm curious what the prices are in China or India, but they don't seem to have an online Adobe Store (yet). On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Peter Hirons wrote: > So "free" support isn't really free ! > > Peter > > >
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If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? Steve Pawlowskis Technology Coordinator Kaufman Company, Inc. 19 Walkhill Road Norwood MA 02062 Phone:617.218.1765 Mobile: 774.437.1409 Toll Free:800.338.8023 ext. 165 Fax: 617.218.1746 E-mail: stevep at kaufmanco.com > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:35 PM > To: info at spectrumwritingllc.com > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Mike Wickham' > Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I > thought "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)" meant a return to version two! 8^0. > > Alan > > On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: > > > How about the software application formerly known as Adobe > > Framemaker? (Ya' > > know, like the "artist formerly known as Prince" for all you old- > > timers out > > there - dating myself I know!!) > > > > TVB > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Owner/Principal > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick > Quatro > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM > > To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X > > (pronounced 10)". > > In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product > > name, it > > isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version > > isn't XI. > > > > -- > Alan T Litchfield > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 > New Zealand > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz > http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as stevep at kaufmanco.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/stevep%40kaufmanco. > com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ > _ > Kaufman Company scans and filters all incoming e-mail for viruses, SPAM > and questionable material. > ___ > _
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Well, RoboHelp started getting wonky with regard to versions after 1999. Versions went: 7 2000 9 2002 X3 X4 X5 6 7 8 9 Notice two version 7s and two version 9s, each roughly 10 years apart. I've learned not to think on these things too hard. It hurts. Bill On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Layton, Debbie wrote: > How quaint. Roman Numerals for a software release. Will the > documentation be created using Old English Text? I'm very curious why > Marketing chose to do that. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood
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That would be the most interesting software in the world. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis wrote: > If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be > Acrobat DOS XX ? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood
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> If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be > Acrobat DOS XX ? > Steve Pawlowskis > Technology Coordinator ROFL! Maybe that is what they were drinking when they came up with "Acrobat X". :) :) Z
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I don't PDF often, but when I do, I use DOS XX Bernard - Original Message - From: techcommd...@gmail.com To: SteveP at kaufmanco.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: 10/29/10 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > That would be the most interesting software in the world. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis wrote: > > If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating systems would it be > > Acrobat DOS XX ? > > -- > Bill Swallow > > Twitter: @techcommdood > Blog: http://techcommdood.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as bernard at publishingsmarter.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernard%40publishingsmarter.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
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Not if it's pronounced Dos Ten Ten. Nadine --- On Fri, 10/29/10, Bill Swallow wrote: > From: Bill Swallow > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > To: "Steve Pawlowskis" > Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" > Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 9:42 AM > That would be the most interesting > software in the world. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis > wrote: > > If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating > systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? > > -- > Bill Swallow > > Twitter: @techcommdood > Blog: http://techcommdood.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > io
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Because it works for Apple. Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Layton, Debbie wrote: > How quaint. Roman Numerals for a software release. Will the > documentation be created using Old English Text? I'm very curious why > Marketing chose to do that. > > Debbie Layton > Technical Writer > Customer Publications > 503.582.6822 > debbie.layton at xerox.com > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 > ship date. > > It is pronounced "Acrobat Ten" - as usual, it's a marketing "thing" ... > > ? ? ? ?- Dov > >> -Original Message- >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of >> Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM >> To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy >> >> > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... >> >> > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of > 10? >> >> > Mike Wickham >> >> I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. > I believe the shipping date is >> Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. >> >> And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) >> >> My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe > upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of >> whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to > Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X >> Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). >> >> IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower > - since we already paid a >> premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! >> >> Z > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as debbie.layton at xerox.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/debbie.layton%40xero > x.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
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Dos Ten Ten: The first puppy born to Rin and Lassie -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 10:09 AM To: Steve Pawlowskis; Bill Swallow Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Not if it's pronounced Dos Ten Ten. Nadine --- On Fri, 10/29/10, Bill Swallow wrote: > From: Bill Swallow > Subject: [Bulk] Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > To: "Steve Pawlowskis" > Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" > Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 9:42 AM > That would be the most interesting > software in the world. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Steve Pawlowskis > wrote: > > If Adobe offered version 20 for really old operating > systems would it be Acrobat DOS XX ? > > -- > Bill Swallow > > Twitter: @techcommdood > Blog: http://techcommdood.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.c a > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > io ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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from Collins English Dictionary . . .
X (symbol)
1. indicating a film that may not be shown to anyone under 18 years of
age.
2. denoting an unknown
3. (on letters, cards, etc.) a kiss
4. (on ballot papers, etc.) a choice
5. (on examination papers, etc.) an error
6. for Christ: Christian [from the glyph of Grk. letter "khi"], 1st
letter of "Khristos"
7. {and last} the Roman numeral for 10 from the extinct Latin
language-alphabet
writers choice . . . XOXO - representation of "modern" binary counting
system for 10
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Sorry about perpetuating a rumour. It must have been Acrobat X, not FrameMaker X, but I can't find the email. I don't have time to beta test--probably a good thing since I didn't know what it was anyway. Fei Min p.s. My discussion list posting was delayed by hours so I only found out about my mistake today. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:27 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Yeah, it's really quite amusing. I got an email about beta testing FrameMaker X, and they said that "X" is pronounced "ten". Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Classification: SERCO-PUBLIC Not just Adobe. Regardless of exchange rates, it's always been the case that the dollar price is more or less the same numerical value as the sterling price. Thus anything costing $100 in the US costs ?100 over here (which is sometimes twice the actual price). VAT (purchase tax) varies around Europe, but is 17.5% here in the UK and about to rise to 20%. Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991 Technical Documentation Classification: SERCO-PUBLIC This e-mail and any attachments may contain sensitive and/or privileged material. It is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such information. Serco cannot guarantee that the email or any attachments are free from viruses. The views expressed in this email are those of the originator and do not necessarily represent the views of Serco. Nothing in this email shall bind Serco in any contract or obligation. Please note that all email messages sent to Serco are subject to monitoring/interception for lawful business purposes. Serco Group PLC. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2048608. Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Bartley Way, Hook, Hampshire, RG27 9UY.
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Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: From: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. gm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Does Belgium have a VAT? But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Could it be that European countries impose huge taxes on Adobe and they're passing along those taxes to the customer? Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 408.232.5911 4 gfl...@nanometrics.com Well Done is better than Well Said - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:17 AM To: l...@astoria-pacific.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy FrameMaker 9 is 999 $ (717 €) in the US and 1600 $ (1148 €) in France... From: l...@astoria-pacific.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:32:50 -0700 Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax: 503-655-7367 l...@astoria-pacific.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM To: generic...@yahoo.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: From: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo .ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. gm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently
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But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I had this same situation on this list some time back. I said this on the list on 18 October, 2009 (http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2009-October/018261.html ) Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 for the same thing for International customers. There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for shipping a small box anyway. No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly no one on the helpdesk. There was some discussion of it then. Michael learned a new word then: rort. Darryl learned something too. If in doubt, obfuscate. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 3:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I saw that too: Acrobat X. Sounds either mysterious or halfway to pornographic - which I doubt was their intent. Sometimes you shoot yourself in the foot trying to be cute. Alison Alison Craig, Technical Writer Ultrasonix Medical Corporation Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127 E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:42 AM To: Mike Wickham Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy http://www.adobe.com/ Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
On 29/10/2010, at 8:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! In the inimitable words of Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. (That's my new answer for everything). Alan ROFL. Adobe pricing strikes again! Sigh ... Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced Acrobat Ten - as usual, it's a marketing thing ... - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is X instead of 10. :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Can you buy it from a US store? Your chat log sounds like a support bot. Either that or Daryll has been watching too many Ed Wood movies. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as techcommd...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the artist formerly known as Prince for all you old-timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said Acrobat X (pronounced 10). In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought Acrobat X (pronounced 10) meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the artist formerly known as Prince for all you old- timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said Acrobat X (pronounced 10). In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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And if someone says, I'm an Acrobat X user, are they bragging or disgruntled? :) Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Well, darn. I misread the original message and thought you were talking about FrameMaker 10 coming out. I knew about Acrobat X. Good luck getting people to pronounce it as Acrobat 10. I still hear people say OSX instead of OS 10. What a stupid naming idea. You just know some bug will be found which will cause users to say that Acrobat X accidentally deletes files and creates X-files. They're just asking for it. On the other hand, version 30 will probably sell like hotcakes. I hope the next version of FrameMaker stays with Arabic numerals instead of converting to Roman ones. Sheesh. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Mike Wickham wrote: And if someone says, I'm an Acrobat X user, are they bragging or disgruntled? :) Well, it does offer Adobe a great new marketing opportunity: sponsoring the Acrobat X Games. (Sorry, but Friday's getting close!) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! Was he trying to say they have *to* offer free support? In other words, does EU law (or general expectation of EU customers) require free product support? If so, this might explain the difference: $229 gets you a product out the door; $554 buys you hand-holding (whether you predict you will ask for it or not...). Just guessing here... --William -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Sorry, I misspoke - not Nov 1. Maybe Adobe has not formally announced anything, but according to Amazon, it is a Dec 1 release date: http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65083161-Acrobat-X-Professional/dp/B0046DH8PC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1288308342sr=8-1 Given that Adobe is offering free shipping from Oct 17 through Nov 30 (from the e-mail I received directly from Adobe on Oct 18) - that Dec 1 date *seems* consistent to previous similar offers. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced Acrobat Ten - as usual, it's a marketing thing ... - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is X instead of 10. :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Yeah, it's really quite amusing. I got an email about beta testing FrameMaker X, and they said that X is pronounced ten. Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I thought maybe Acrobat was going radical on us (like Malcolm X)! Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 408.232.5911 4 gfl...@nanometrics.com Well Done is better than Well Said - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:35 PM To: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'Mike Wickham' Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought Acrobat X (pronounced 10) meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the artist formerly known as Prince for all you old- timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said Acrobat X (pronounced 10). In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gfl...@nanometrics.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support". But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > From: Yves Barbion > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 > Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the > US Store > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a > European Adobe Store > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation > they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have > offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me > that I can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste > me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe > Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you > with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the > reason for this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure > that we are giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that > decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish > using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is > different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that > decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > gm
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > From: Yves Barbion > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > no > update) costs: > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > free support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > with my product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > HUGE difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > in the perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > in the perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > .ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > gm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax:? 503-655-7367 lea at astoria-pacific.com > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > *scratches head* > > Nadine > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > From: Yves Barbion > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > no > > update) costs: > > > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > > free support". But I don't need support! > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > > with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > selection today? > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > $299 in the US > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > > HUGE difference in price? > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > software? > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Yves Barbion > > www.scripto.nu > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > > .ca > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > gm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.co > m > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- > pacific.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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At 16:03 +0200 28/10/10, Yves Barbion wrote: >Huh? Darryl is maybe a computer program of some sort? I had a similar exchange with PayPal recently. That time, after wending my way through an impenetrable forest of web options, I talked to a real, [apparently] human female, but for all the sense I got out of her she might as well have been a robot. There has always been a huge differential in the price of Adobe products between Europe and the US afaik. The reason is... yes, you guessed it... 'the cost of doing business in each country'. I 'dunno about perceived value: if you need a tool, you need the tool... it's not as if you're sitting there thinking 'Shall I buy Acrobat Pro, or shall I buy JoeSmurf's BitLikeAcrobat CrippleProduct instead and save thirty bucks? Maybe someone from Adobe could explain it? -- Steve
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FrameMaker 9 is 999 $ (717 ?) in the US and 1600 $ (1148 ?) in France... > From: lea at astoria-pacific.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:32:50 -0700 > > Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) > > > _ > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > www.astoria-pacific.com > ph: 800-536-3111 > fax: 503-655-7367 > lea at astoria-pacific.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > > > *scratches head* > > > > Nadine > > > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > > > From: Yves Barbion > > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > > no > > > update) costs: > > > > > >- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > >http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > >- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > >- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > > > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > > > free support". But I don't need support! > > > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > > > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > > > with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > > selection today? > > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > > $299 in the US > > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > > > HUGE difference in price? > > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > > software? > > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Yves Barbion > > > www.scripto.nu > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > > > .ca > > > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > > Visit > > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > gm > > ___ > > > > > > You
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Does Belgium have a VAT? But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > ? - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > ? http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ? - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > ? - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
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Could it be that European countries impose huge taxes on Adobe and they're passing along those taxes to the customer? Thank you, ? Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 ?? 408.232.5911 4 gflato at nanometrics.com "Well Done is better than Well Said" - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:17 AM To: lea at astoria-pacific.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy FrameMaker 9 is 999 $ (717 ?) in the US and 1600 $ (1148 ?) in France... > From: lea at astoria-pacific.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:32:50 -0700 > > Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) > > > _ > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > www.astoria-pacific.com > ph: 800-536-3111 > fax: 503-655-7367 > lea at astoria-pacific.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > > > *scratches head* > > > > Nadine > > > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > > > From: Yves Barbion > > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > > no > > > update) costs: > > > > > >- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > >http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > >- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > >- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > > > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > > > free support". But I don't need support! > > > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > > > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > > > with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > > selection today? > > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > > $299 in the US > > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > > > HUGE difference in price? > > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > > software? > > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Yves Barbion > > > www.scripto.nu > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers a
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Lea Rush quipped: Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) But Daryl is quite deft at sticking to the talking points and he even tried skirting the question with a change-the-subject quick-step. He's already got the "We understand your concern blah-blah-blah" down pat. Just replace "How can we help you?" with "What do I have to do to get your vote?" and Daryl's political career is half-way to the Oval Office. -DJ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:04 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support". But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)". In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham
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http://www.adobe.com/ Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: >> But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > Mike Wickham > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
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Point taken -- but a skilled political debating coach could fix up that small flaw. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Rush Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:33 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax:? 503-655-7367 lea at astoria-pacific.com > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > *scratches head* > > Nadine > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > From: Yves Barbion > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > no > > update) costs: > > > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave > > me was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have > > offer free support". But I don't need support! > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I > > can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to > > assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > selection today? > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > $299 in the US > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for > > this HUGE difference in price? > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > > 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > software? > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > > 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Yves Barbion > > www.scripto.nu > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yah > > oo > > .ca > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > gm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voit > h.co > m > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http:
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I saw that too: Acrobat X. Sounds either mysterious or halfway to pornographic - which I doubt was their intent. Sometimes you shoot yourself in the foot trying to be cute. Alison Alison Craig, Technical Writer Ultrasonix Medical Corporation Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127 E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:42 AM To: Mike Wickham Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy http://www.adobe.com/ Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: >> But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > Mike Wickham > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.craig at ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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> > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z
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> On 29/10/2010, at 8:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe > > upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro > > *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only > > one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can > > know). > > > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be > > lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended > > version! > In the inimitable words of Darryl: > "Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in > the perceived value of the product'." > (That's my new answer for everything). > > Alan ROFL. Adobe pricing strikes again! Sigh ... Z
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Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced "Acrobat Ten" - as usual, it's a marketing "thing" ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM > To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > > Mike Wickham > > I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I > believe the shipping date is > Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. > > And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). > It is $199 regardless of > whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X > Pro (there is only one X > Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - > since we already paid a > premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! > > Z
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Acrobat X was announced, but is certainly not yet shipping. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Art Campbell > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:36 AM > To: Yves Barbion > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Does Belgium have a VAT? > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > Art Campbell
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Can you buy it from a US store? Your chat log sounds like a support bot. Either that or Daryll has been watching too many Ed Wood movies. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > ? - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > ? http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ? - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > ? - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as techcommdood at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood
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How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the "artist formerly known as Prince" for all you old-timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com info at spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)". In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as info at spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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And if someone says, "I'm an Acrobat X user," are they bragging or disgruntled? :) Mike Wickham
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Well, darn. I misread the original message and thought you were talking about FrameMaker 10 coming out. I knew about Acrobat "X." Good luck getting people to pronounce it as Acrobat 10. I still hear people say OSX instead of OS 10. What a stupid naming idea. You just know some bug will be found which will cause users to say that Acrobat X accidentally deletes files and creates X-files. They're just asking for it. On the other hand, version 30 will probably sell like hotcakes. I hope the next version of FrameMaker stays with Arabic numerals instead of converting to Roman ones. Sheesh.
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Mike Wickham wrote: > And if someone says, "I'm an Acrobat X user," are they bragging or > disgruntled? :) Well, it does offer Adobe a great new marketing opportunity: sponsoring the Acrobat X Games. (Sorry, but Friday's getting close!) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
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Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > Was he trying to say they "have *to* offer free support?" In other words, does EU law (or general expectation of EU customers) require free product support? If so, this might explain the difference: $229 gets you a product out the door; $554 buys you hand-holding (whether you predict you will ask for it or not...). Just guessing here... --William -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com
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Sorry, I misspoke - not Nov 1. Maybe Adobe has not formally announced anything, but according to Amazon, it is a Dec 1 release date: http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65083161-Acrobat-X-Professional/dp/B0046DH8PC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1288308342=8-1 Given that Adobe is offering "free shipping" from Oct 17 through Nov 30 (from the e-mail I received directly from Adobe on Oct 18) - that Dec 1 date *seems* consistent to previous similar offers. Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced "Acrobat Ten" - as usual, it's a marketing "thing" ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM > To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > > Mike Wickham > > I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I > believe the shipping date is > Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. > > And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). > It is $199 regardless of > whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X > Pro (there is only one X > Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - > since we already paid a > premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! > > Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Yeah, it's really quite amusing. I got an email about beta testing FrameMaker X, and they said that "X" is pronounced "ten". Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I thought maybe Acrobat was going radical on us (like Malcolm X)! Thank you, ? Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 ?? 408.232.5911 4 gflato at nanometrics.com "Well Done is better than Well Said" - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:35 PM To: info at spectrumwritingllc.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Mike Wickham' Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)" meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: > How about the software application formerly known as Adobe > Framemaker? (Ya' > know, like the "artist formerly known as Prince" for all you old- > timers out > there - dating myself I know!!) > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM > To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X > (pronounced 10)". > In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product > name, it > isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version > isn't XI. > -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> "No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me?" Darryl, maybe? tims :) -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:41 PM To: Yves Barbion Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I had this same situation on this list some time back. I said this on the list on 18 October, 2009 (http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2009-October/018261.html ) > Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the > upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 > for the same thing for International customers. > > There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if > shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for > shipping a small box anyway. > > No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly > no one on the helpdesk. There was some discussion of it then. Michael learned a new word then: rort. Darryl learned something too. If in doubt, obfuscate. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 3:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > no > update) costs: > > - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave > me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I > can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in > the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for > this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in > the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in > the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tslager at isdcorporation.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tslager%40isdcorporation.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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How quaint. Roman Numerals for a software release. Will the documentation be created using Old English Text? I'm very curious why Marketing chose to do that. Debbie Layton Technical Writer Customer Publications 503.582.6822 debbie.layton at xerox.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced "Acrobat Ten" - as usual, it's a marketing "thing" ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM > To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > > Mike Wickham > > I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is > Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. > > And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of > whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X > Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a > premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! > > Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as debbie.layton at xerox.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/debbie.layton%40xero x.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
As near as I can tell from their website, Adobe have abandoned the 3-D functionality altogether in version 10. So a big chunk of "extended" is gone from Acrobat X Pro anyway. Maybe they should pay us to make the switch from Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to Acrobat X Pro! Oh well. John -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z
