RE: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin
Fred, Thank you, I do appreciate the information, but here is where my confusion stemmed from - When you are installing FM9, the option that opens during the installation is similar to this Install PDFMaker, a plugin that allows you to make PDFs from Framemaker files, and other applications such as PowerPoint, MS Word, etc. So, although you say that ' PDFMaker is not involved in producing PDFs from Adobe applications the actual message during the installation states just the opposite. It specifically references FM and that is what through me for a loop and added to my confusion. I do appreciate your knowledge and clarification!! thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:22 PM To: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin Where to start... First of all, PDFMaker is not involved in producing PDFs from Adobe applications. Some Adobe apps (e.g. InDesign and Illustrator) have PDF generation built into the app itself and don't need *any* additional softeare components. Other Adobe apps (e.g. FrameMaker) come bundled with the Distiller component to support PDF generation. But it is important to note that this bundled version of Distiller is *not* PDFMaker. PDFMaker is an set of enhanced Distiller interfaces for *non-Adobe* apps like Lotus Notes and the various apps in the MS Office suite. The obvious thing that PDFMaker does is to install an Adobe PDF menu in the user interface of the non-Adobe tool to make it more straightforward to produce a PDF (i.e. via a single button click). [This capability is unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame has both a Save As PDF command and the ability to print to the Adobe PDF virtual printer built into it.] What is less obvious is that for tools like MS Word, PDFMaker also provides a tighter coupling between the source document and the Distiller component so that cross-references and hyperlinks in the source document are handled in the PDF as working hyperlinks. [This capability is also unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame is PDF-aware and has the Include Acrobat Data option in its own Print dialog.] What is apparently causing you some confusion is that the Distiller *component* (the executable that does the distillation of PostScript into PDF) is separate from the Distiller *application* and its user interface. You get the same Distiller component whether you have the version bundled with FrameMaker (which has no independent user interface), the Standard version of Acrobat (which has a UI that supports standard features like job options, font embedding, etc. but does *not* support watched folders), or the Pro or Extended versions of Acrobat (which have a UI that *does* support watched folders). Having said all that, the embedded/bundled version of Distiller does support the use of job options files, but does so through the Windows printer driver interface. You select the Adobe PDF virtual printer, then click Preferences in the Windows Print dialog. I don't have a system handy that does not have a full version of Acrobat installed, so I am not sure whether you can edit the preferences with the bundled Distiller, but you certainly can select from among the job options files that are on the system. But the bundled version of Distiller does *not* support watched folders because that is a feature that is specific to the Professional and Extended (not Standard) versions of the Acrobat toolset and their freestanding versions of the Distiller app. -Fred Ridder From: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:50:49 -0600 All, Two systems - both Win 7, 64-bit. System 1 - Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and current) System 2 - Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (FM9 fully patched and current) For System 1, because I have installed Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 as separate and standalone components, I obviously have access to Distiller 9 as a standalone component. I can open Distiller, set watched folders, set job options, etc. For System 2, the user does not have Acrobat 9, so at the prompt to install the Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (which provides the ability to create PDFS from FM files, and other programs such as PPT), the user of course said yes; however, since Acrobat Distiller is installed as part of a plugin, it does not show in the Start menu, the program files directory, etc., so how on earth can you set up watched folders, set up job options, etc? The Save as PDF function works just fine, but I still located the Distiller .exe here
Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin
Where to start... First of all, PDFMaker is not involved in producing PDFs from Adobe applications. Some Adobe apps (e.g. InDesign and Illustrator) have PDF generation built into the app itself and don't need *any* additional softeare components. Other Adobe apps (e.g. FrameMaker) come bundled with the Distiller component to support PDF generation. But it is important to note that this bundled version of Distiller is *not* PDFMaker. PDFMaker is an set of enhanced Distiller interfaces for *non-Adobe* apps like Lotus Notes and the various apps in the MS Office suite. The obvious thing that PDFMaker does is to install an "Adobe PDF" menu in the user interface of the non-Adobe tool to make it more straightforward to produce a PDF (i.e. via a single button click). [This capability is unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame has both a Save As PDF command and the ability to print to the Adobe PDF virtual printer built into it.] What is less obvious is that for tools like MS Word, PDFMaker also provides a tighter coupling between the source document and the Distiller component so that cross-references and hyperlinks in the source document are handled in the PDF as working hyperlinks. [This capability is also unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame is PDF-aware and has the "Include Acrobat Data" option in its own Print dialog.] What is apparently causing you some confusion is that the Distiller *component* (the executable that does the distillation of PostScript into PDF) is separate from the Distiller *application* and its user interface. You get the same Distiller component whether you have the version bundled with FrameMaker (which has no independent user interface), the Standard version of Acrobat (which has a UI that supports standard features like job options, font embedding, etc. but does *not* support watched folders), or the Pro or Extended versions of Acrobat (which have a UI that *does* support watched folders). Having said all that, the embedded/bundled version of Distiller does support the use of job options files, but does so through the Windows printer driver interface. You select the Adobe PDF virtual printer, then click Preferences in the Windows Print dialog. I don't have a system handy that does not have a full version of Acrobat installed, so I am not sure whether you can edit the preferences with the bundled Distiller, but you certainly can select from among the job options files that are on the system. But the bundled version of Distiller does *not* support watched folders because that is a feature that is specific to the Professional and Extended (not Standard) versions of the Acrobat toolset and their freestanding versions of the Distiller app. -Fred Ridder > From: info at spectrumwritingllc.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and > Adobe PDFMaker Plugin > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:50:49 -0600 > > All, > > > > Two systems - both Win 7, 64-bit. > > > > System 1 - Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and > current) > > System 2 - Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (FM9 fully patched and > current) > > > > For System 1, because I have installed Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and > Framemaker 9 as separate and standalone components, I obviously have access > to Distiller 9 as a standalone component. I can open Distiller, set watched > folders, set job options, etc. > > > > For System 2, the user does not have Acrobat 9, so at the prompt to install > the Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (which provides the ability to create PDFS from FM > files, and other programs such as PPT), the user of course said yes; > however, since Acrobat Distiller is installed as part of a plugin, it does > not show in the Start menu, the program files directory, etc., so how on > earth can you set up watched folders, set up job options, etc? The Save as > PDF function works just fine, but I still located the Distiller .exe here: > C:\Program File(x86)\Adobe\Acrobat 9 , and if you double-click on the entry > for Distiller.exe, Distiller doesn't open independently, if you right-click > on the Distiller.exe entry and save Send to Desktop as Shortcut, nothing > happens. I am assuming that it is for some reason because Distiller is > installed as part of a plugin and isn't truly a standalone app. under these > circumstances. Basically, I can't figure out how to get Distiller open on > its own so that I can set up watched folders, set job options, etc? Is this > not at all possible when using the PDFMaker Plugin with FM9 versus > installing it with Acrobat 9 or what am I missing? > > > > Thanks so much! > > > > TVB > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Owner/Principal >
Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin
Fred, Thank you, I do appreciate the information, but here is where my confusion stemmed from - When you are installing FM9, the option that opens during the installation is similar to this "Install PDFMaker, a plugin that allows you to make PDFs from Framemaker files, and other applications such as PowerPoint, MS Word, etc." So, although you say that ' PDFMaker is not involved in producing PDFs from Adobe applications" the actual message during the installation states just the opposite. It specifically references FM and that is what through me for a loop and added to my confusion. I do appreciate your knowledge and clarification!! thanks! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com info at spectrumwritingllc.com From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:22 PM To: info at spectrumwritingllc.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin Where to start... First of all, PDFMaker is not involved in producing PDFs from Adobe applications. Some Adobe apps (e.g. InDesign and Illustrator) have PDF generation built into the app itself and don't need *any* additional softeare components. Other Adobe apps (e.g. FrameMaker) come bundled with the Distiller component to support PDF generation. But it is important to note that this bundled version of Distiller is *not* PDFMaker. PDFMaker is an set of enhanced Distiller interfaces for *non-Adobe* apps like Lotus Notes and the various apps in the MS Office suite. The obvious thing that PDFMaker does is to install an "Adobe PDF" menu in the user interface of the non-Adobe tool to make it more straightforward to produce a PDF (i.e. via a single button click). [This capability is unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame has both a Save As PDF command and the ability to print to the Adobe PDF virtual printer built into it.] What is less obvious is that for tools like MS Word, PDFMaker also provides a tighter coupling between the source document and the Distiller component so that cross-references and hyperlinks in the source document are handled in the PDF as working hyperlinks. [This capability is also unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame is PDF-aware and has the "Include Acrobat Data" option in its own Print dialog.] What is apparently causing you some confusion is that the Distiller *component* (the executable that does the distillation of PostScript into PDF) is separate from the Distiller *application* and its user interface. You get the same Distiller component whether you have the version bundled with FrameMaker (which has no independent user interface), the Standard version of Acrobat (which has a UI that supports standard features like job options, font embedding, etc. but does *not* support watched folders), or the Pro or Extended versions of Acrobat (which have a UI that *does* support watched folders). Having said all that, the embedded/bundled version of Distiller does support the use of job options files, but does so through the Windows printer driver interface. You select the Adobe PDF virtual printer, then click Preferences in the Windows Print dialog. I don't have a system handy that does not have a full version of Acrobat installed, so I am not sure whether you can edit the preferences with the bundled Distiller, but you certainly can select from among the job options files that are on the system. But the bundled version of Distiller does *not* support watched folders because that is a feature that is specific to the Professional and Extended (not Standard) versions of the Acrobat toolset and their freestanding versions of the Distiller app. -Fred Ridder > From: info at spectrumwritingllc.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:50:49 -0600 > > All, > > > > Two systems - both Win 7, 64-bit. > > > > System 1 - Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and > current) > > System 2 - Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (FM9 fully patched and > current) > > > > For System 1, because I have installed Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and > Framemaker 9 as separate and standalone components, I obviously have access > to Distiller 9 as a standalone component. I can open Distiller, set watched > folders, set job options, etc. > > > > For System 2, the user does not have Acrobat 9, so at the prompt to install > the Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (which provides the ability to create PDFS from FM > files, and other programs such as PPT), the user of course said yes; > however, since Acrobat Distiller is installed as part of a plugin, it does > not show in the Start menu, the program files
Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin
All, Let me summarize so that I can answer several offlist replies and comments as well. When all you have is an installation disk and all you can do is follow the prompts and you have troubles after what should be a 1-2-3 installation, troubleshooting becomes rather difficult to say the least. 1.) Six different computers - two different setups (one setup for one group of three/second setup for second group of three) - Setup 1: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and current); Setup 2: Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (FM9 fully patched and current). 2.) During installation of Setup #2, the prompt that opens in the Installation wizard specifically states that the PDFMaker Plugin is for the making of PDFs from FM9 files and other applications. Based on what I thought was my correct understanding of this Plugin (and what Fred verified in his response), this is NOT the case. The PDFMaker Plugin is NOT required for generating PDFs from FM9 files, so answer "No" at the prompt and finish the installation. 3.) On all three systems - open FM9, open the exact same file request to Save as PDF. FM hangs and absolutely no PDF is generated. (And yes, the Adobe PDF printer is supposedly installed -there is an entry for it in the Devices and Printers window.) Try again - same issue - FM is unable to generate a PDF. 4.) Uninstall and reinstall FM9 (with apologies to Dov and this use of uninstall/reinstallzheimers). Repeat process of trying to generate a PDF using Save as PDF. Same issue. 5.) Insert FM9 installation Disk and install Plugin. Repeat process of trying to generate a PDF using Save as PDF. Voila - PDF successfully generated without any issues whatsoever, which defies all logic and understanding of the process. HOWEVER, this issue was seen on three separate systems by three different users with exactly the same setup - Win7, 64 bit, FM9 (fully patched BEFORE trying to generate a PDF). Second issue - Three systems Win7, 64 bit, identical system for applications, FM folder structure, identical FM files from the same source (Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and current). Trying to Print an FM9 file to a postscript file that contains ONLY Arial and Times New Roman fonts and it has been unequivocally confirmed that these fonts are installed on all three systems - 1.) One user must AlWAYS deselect the option "Rely on system fonts only. do not use document fonts" or no PDF can be generated. 2.) One user must sometimes deselect the option for some files; other times, it's not an issue. 2.) One user NEVER has to deselect this option. Postscript generation is no issue as it should be based on the fonts used in the document and the fonts installed on the system. I have had two very savvy colleagues write me offlist (and these guys are savvy - they build their own systems) and say that they too have to always deselect the option "Rely on system fonts only. do not use document fonts" to successfully generate a PDF - every single flippin' time and they cannot figure out why. Two people responded onlist a few weeks ago and stated that they run into option two - sometimes they have to deselect the option, other times they don't. And, of course, there were the respondents stating that they fall into the third situation - it works as expected. And, if the exact same setup (Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and current)) is installed on a Windows XP SP3 32 bit system, then it's always the third option with the exact same files - you do not have to deselect the option. The only commonality in all these issues - Adobe products. No problems are seen for the Win7 systems with any other of the installed applications - SnagIt, MS Office, Camtasia, etc. No matter the OS (Win7, XP, 32 bit, 64 bit), they all install just fine and give no issues. So, if anyone can shed light onto these two issues - it would be greatly appreciated. I have searched the Adobe forums and issues such as this are all over the board - people losing their hair over issues that shouldn't be and others saying that they have no such issues at all. thanks, TVB
Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin
All, Two systems - both Win 7, 64-bit. System 1 - Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and current) System 2 - Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (FM9 fully patched and current) For System 1, because I have installed Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 as separate and standalone components, I obviously have access to Distiller 9 as a standalone component. I can open Distiller, set watched folders, set job options, etc. For System 2, the user does not have Acrobat 9, so at the prompt to install the Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (which provides the ability to create PDFS from FM files, and other programs such as PPT), the user of course said yes; however, since Acrobat Distiller is installed as part of a plugin, it does not show in the Start menu, the program files directory, etc., so how on earth can you set up watched folders, set up job options, etc? The Save as PDF function works just fine, but I still located the Distiller .exe here: C:\Program File(x86)\Adobe\Acrobat 9 , and if you double-click on the entry for Distiller.exe, Distiller doesn't open independently, if you right-click on the Distiller.exe entry and save Send to Desktop as Shortcut, nothing happens. I am assuming that it is for some reason because Distiller is installed as part of a plugin and isn't truly a standalone app. under these circumstances. Basically, I can't figure out how to get Distiller open on its own so that I can set up watched folders, set job options, etc? Is this not at all possible when using the PDFMaker Plugin with FM9 versus installing it with Acrobat 9 or what am I missing? Thanks so much! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin
Where to start... First of all, PDFMaker is not involved in producing PDFs from Adobe applications. Some Adobe apps (e.g. InDesign and Illustrator) have PDF generation built into the app itself and don't need *any* additional softeare components. Other Adobe apps (e.g. FrameMaker) come bundled with the Distiller component to support PDF generation. But it is important to note that this bundled version of Distiller is *not* PDFMaker. PDFMaker is an set of enhanced Distiller interfaces for *non-Adobe* apps like Lotus Notes and the various apps in the MS Office suite. The obvious thing that PDFMaker does is to install an Adobe PDF menu in the user interface of the non-Adobe tool to make it more straightforward to produce a PDF (i.e. via a single button click). [This capability is unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame has both a Save As PDF command and the ability to print to the Adobe PDF virtual printer built into it.] What is less obvious is that for tools like MS Word, PDFMaker also provides a tighter coupling between the source document and the Distiller component so that cross-references and hyperlinks in the source document are handled in the PDF as working hyperlinks. [This capability is also unnecessary in FrameMaker because Frame is PDF-aware and has the Include Acrobat Data option in its own Print dialog.] What is apparently causing you some confusion is that the Distiller *component* (the executable that does the distillation of PostScript into PDF) is separate from the Distiller *application* and its user interface. You get the same Distiller component whether you have the version bundled with FrameMaker (which has no independent user interface), the Standard version of Acrobat (which has a UI that supports standard features like job options, font embedding, etc. but does *not* support watched folders), or the Pro or Extended versions of Acrobat (which have a UI that *does* support watched folders). Having said all that, the embedded/bundled version of Distiller does support the use of job options files, but does so through the Windows printer driver interface. You select the Adobe PDF virtual printer, then click Preferences in the Windows Print dialog. I don't have a system handy that does not have a full version of Acrobat installed, so I am not sure whether you can edit the preferences with the bundled Distiller, but you certainly can select from among the job options files that are on the system. But the bundled version of Distiller does *not* support watched folders because that is a feature that is specific to the Professional and Extended (not Standard) versions of the Acrobat toolset and their freestanding versions of the Distiller app. -Fred Ridder From: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 19:50:49 -0600 All, Two systems - both Win 7, 64-bit. System 1 - Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and current) System 2 - Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (FM9 fully patched and current) For System 1, because I have installed Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 as separate and standalone components, I obviously have access to Distiller 9 as a standalone component. I can open Distiller, set watched folders, set job options, etc. For System 2, the user does not have Acrobat 9, so at the prompt to install the Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (which provides the ability to create PDFS from FM files, and other programs such as PPT), the user of course said yes; however, since Acrobat Distiller is installed as part of a plugin, it does not show in the Start menu, the program files directory, etc., so how on earth can you set up watched folders, set up job options, etc? The Save as PDF function works just fine, but I still located the Distiller .exe here: C:\Program File(x86)\Adobe\Acrobat 9 , and if you double-click on the entry for Distiller.exe, Distiller doesn't open independently, if you right-click on the Distiller.exe entry and save Send to Desktop as Shortcut, nothing happens. I am assuming that it is for some reason because Distiller is installed as part of a plugin and isn't truly a standalone app. under these circumstances. Basically, I can't figure out how to get Distiller open on its own so that I can set up watched folders, set job options, etc? Is this not at all possible when using the PDFMaker Plugin with FM9 versus installing it with Acrobat 9 or what am I missing? Thanks so much! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com
Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 vs. Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin
All, Two systems - both Win 7, 64-bit. System 1 - Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 (both patched and current) System 2 - Framemaker 9 and Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (FM9 fully patched and current) For System 1, because I have installed Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended and Framemaker 9 as separate and standalone components, I obviously have access to Distiller 9 as a standalone component. I can open Distiller, set watched folders, set job options, etc. For System 2, the user does not have Acrobat 9, so at the prompt to install the Adobe PDFMaker Plugin (which provides the ability to create PDFS from FM files, and other programs such as PPT), the user of course said yes; however, since Acrobat Distiller is installed as part of a plugin, it does not show in the Start menu, the program files directory, etc., so how on earth can you set up watched folders, set up job options, etc? The Save as PDF function works just fine, but I still located the Distiller .exe here: C:\Program File(x86)\Adobe\Acrobat 9 , and if you double-click on the entry for Distiller.exe, Distiller doesn't open independently, if you right-click on the Distiller.exe entry and save Send to Desktop as Shortcut, nothing happens. I am assuming that it is for some reason because Distiller is installed as part of a plugin and isn't truly a standalone app. under these circumstances. Basically, I can't figure out how to get Distiller open on its own so that I can set up watched folders, set job options, etc? Is this not at all possible when using the PDFMaker Plugin with FM9 versus installing it with Acrobat 9 or what am I missing? Thanks so much! TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com info at spectrumwritingllc.com
