Annoying FM quirk
All, I have a paragraph tag named PageBreak that is designed to do what the name implies - put in a PageBreak at specific location that I select. The tag has a 750.00 pt Below Pfg characteristic and I have also applied a bright Fuschia color so that I can differentiate the pilcrow for the tag from that of a simple Body tag. When I apply the tag, the pilcrow is displayed in the Fuschia color, but after that, boom, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes the pilcrow holds the color and other times, it doesn't and I have to go back manually reapply the tag. It's very annoying as when proof-reading/editing my documents, I need to confirm that the tag is indeed a PageBreak tag and not a Body tag. (If I were just printing the manuals, then it wouldn't be an issue, but I am single-sourcing these docs. and using ePublisher to produce online help, so the issue becomes critical for this.) Has anyone experienced this or something similar at all? Why on earth won't the pilcrow hold the color? FWIW, I am using FM9 (all patched and current) on a Win7 64-bit system. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Annoying FM quirk
Try setting the font size 2 pt., retain the distinctive font colroing, use autonumbering, and add 50 or so em-spaces in the the autonumber text field. This will result in a greeked non-printing line a couple inches long. To add an em space, use \sm. Baruch Brodersen On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Spectrum Writing i...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote: All, I have a paragraph tag named PageBreak that is designed to do what the name implies - put in a PageBreak at specific location that I select. The tag has a 750.00 pt Below Pfg characteristic and I have also applied a bright Fuschia color so that I can differentiate the pilcrow for the tag from that of a simple Body tag. When I apply the tag, the pilcrow is displayed in the Fuschia color, but after that, boom, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes the pilcrow holds the color and other times, it doesn't and I have to go back manually reapply the tag. It's very annoying as when proof-reading/editing my documents, I need to confirm that the tag is indeed a PageBreak tag and not a Body tag. (If I were just printing the manuals, then it wouldn't be an issue, but I am single-sourcing these docs. and using ePublisher to produce online help, so the issue becomes critical for this.) Has anyone experienced this or something similar at all? Why on earth won't the pilcrow hold the color? FWIW, I am using FM9 (all patched and current) on a Win7 64-bit system. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bar...@technitext.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/baruch%40technitext.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 8 7 7 7 2 1 6 9 8 8 T w i t t e r : @baruchbrodersen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annoying FM quirk
Hi Tammy, You don't mention the font size of the PageBreak tag, but one thing you could do is apply some kind of autonumber (perhaps a bullet) to the format for when you are authoring/editing. Then, before you print, etc., you could remove the autonumber from the format. It's not perfect, but at least you can be sure that you see it as you page through the document. To answer your question, though, I do not know why the color is not holding. You could try a different color and see if it holds better than the color you are using now. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com All, I have a paragraph tag named PageBreak that is designed to do what the name implies - put in a PageBreak at specific location that I select. The tag has a 750.00 pt Below Pfg characteristic and I have also applied a bright Fuschia color so that I can differentiate the pilcrow for the tag from that of a simple Body tag. When I apply the tag, the pilcrow is displayed in the Fuschia color, but after that, boom, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes the pilcrow holds the color and other times, it doesn't and I have to go back manually reapply the tag. It's very annoying as when proof-reading/editing my documents, I need to confirm that the tag is indeed a PageBreak tag and not a Body tag. (If I were just printing the manuals, then it wouldn't be an issue, but I am single-sourcing these docs. and using ePublisher to produce online help, so the issue becomes critical for this.) Has anyone experienced this or something similar at all? Why on earth won't the pilcrow hold the color? FWIW, I am using FM9 (all patched and current) on a Win7 64-bit system. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annoying FM quirk
I see the same, or very similar, behavior running 7.2. Sometimes the pilcrow for a tag changes from 10pt to about 14pt Bold. Reapplying the tag fixes the problem. This doesn't appear to have any affect on generated PDFs. It seems to be a display issue within Frame. I am using Structured Frame, so a look at the Structure View displays that a NewPage element has been inserted. It could be related to the age old display problem in Frame. There are times that entire paragraphs of test disappear behind an illustration. Pressing Ctrl+L (Refresh) puts everything back the way it is supposed to be. This has been a nuisance bug for years. Yours may be related. I believe Shlomo maintains a known buglist that should describe the problem better. BTW, I have a similar tag, as your PageBreak, called NewPage. I can insert it anywhere to force an object (Figure, Table, step, whatever) to start on the next page, essentially inserting a page break. Nothing is displayed on the screen because the point size is set to a very small amount, 1 or 2pt. --- On Wed, 11/10/10, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote: From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com Subject: RE: Annoying FM quirk To: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 1:34 PM I have exactly the same issue with my PageBreak tag (which is *supposed* to be Cyan in colour). The formatting (900 pt below) holds true but the colour disappears. If anyone has an answer, I'd love to know. FYI: FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: XP Pro with SP3 Alison Alison Craig, Technical Writer Ultrasonix Medical Corporation Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127 E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum Writing Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Annoying FM quirk All, I have a paragraph tag named PageBreak that is designed to do what the name implies - put in a PageBreak at specific location that I select. The tag has a 750.00 pt Below Pfg characteristic and I have also applied a bright Fuschia color so that I can differentiate the pilcrow for the tag from that of a simple Body tag. When I apply the tag, the pilcrow is displayed in the Fuschia color, but after that, boom, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes the pilcrow holds the color and other times, it doesn't and I have to go back manually reapply the tag. It's very annoying as when proof-reading/editing my documents, I need to confirm that the tag is indeed a PageBreak tag and not a Body tag. (If I were just printing the manuals, then it wouldn't be an issue, but I am single-sourcing these docs. and using ePublisher to produce online help, so the issue becomes critical for this.) Has anyone experienced this or something similar at all? Why on earth won't the pilcrow hold the color? FWIW, I am using FM9 (all patched and current) on a Win7 64-bit system. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Annoying FM quirk
Thanks all, I appreciate the insight and suggestions. I will modify it as suggested and see if that works. Thanks again, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum Writing Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:19 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Annoying FM quirk All, I have a paragraph tag named PageBreak that is designed to do what the name implies - put in a PageBreak at specific location that I select. The tag has a 750.00 pt Below Pfg characteristic and I have also applied a bright Fuschia color so that I can differentiate the pilcrow for the tag from that of a simple Body tag. When I apply the tag, the pilcrow is displayed in the Fuschia color, but after that, boom, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes the pilcrow holds the color and other times, it doesn't and I have to go back manually reapply the tag. It's very annoying as when proof-reading/editing my documents, I need to confirm that the tag is indeed a PageBreak tag and not a Body tag. (If I were just printing the manuals, then it wouldn't be an issue, but I am single-sourcing these docs. and using ePublisher to produce online help, so the issue becomes critical for this.) Has anyone experienced this or something similar at all? Why on earth won't the pilcrow hold the color? FWIW, I am using FM9 (all patched and current) on a Win7 64-bit system. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Annoying FM quirk
FM tends to treat empty paragraphs differently than those containing text. Changing the paragraph style to use a space character as an autonumber *might* fool FM into treating the paragraph correctly, but I haven't tested this. Shane Taylor Technical Writer WebAssign 919.829.8181 x147 On 11/10/10 2:19 PM, Spectrum Writing wrote: All, I have a paragraph tag named PageBreak that is designed to do what the name implies - put in a PageBreak at specific location that I select. The tag has a 750.00 pt Below Pfg characteristic and I have also applied a bright Fuschia color so that I can differentiate the pilcrow for the tag from that of a simple Body tag. When I apply the tag, the pilcrow is displayed in the Fuschia color, but after that, boom, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes the pilcrow holds the color and other times, it doesn't and I have to go back manually reapply the tag. It's very annoying as when proof-reading/editing my documents, I need to confirm that the tag is indeed a PageBreak tag and not a Body tag. (If I were just printing the manuals, then it wouldn't be an issue, but I am single-sourcing these docs. and using ePublisher to produce online help, so the issue becomes critical for this.) Has anyone experienced this or something similar at all? Why on earth won't the pilcrow hold the color? FWIW, I am using FM9 (all patched and current) on a Win7 64-bit system. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as sh...@taylortext.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shane%40taylortext.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Annoying FM quirk
I see the same, or very similar, behavior running 7.2. Sometimes the pilcrow for a tag changes from 10pt to about 14pt Bold. Reapplying the tag fixes the problem. This doesn't appear to have any affect on generated PDFs. It seems to be a display issue within Frame. I am using Structured Frame, so a look at the Structure View displays that a NewPage element has been inserted. It could be related to the age old display problem in Frame. There are times that entire paragraphs of test disappear behind an illustration. Pressing Ctrl+L (Refresh) puts everything back the way it is supposed to be. This has been a nuisance bug for years. Yours may be related. I believe Shlomo maintains a known buglist that should describe the problem better. BTW, I have a similar tag, as your PageBreak, called NewPage. I can insert it anywhere to force an object (Figure, Table, step, whatever) to start on the next page, essentially inserting a page break. Nothing is displayed on the screen because the point size is set to a very small amount, 1 or 2pt. --- On Wed, 11/10/10, Alison Craig wrote: From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com> Subject: RE: Annoying FM quirk To: "info at spectrumwritingllc.com" , "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 1:34 PM I have exactly the same issue with my PageBreak tag (which is *supposed* to be Cyan in colour). The formatting (900 pt below) holds true but the colour disappears. If anyone has an answer, I'd love to know. FYI: FM 9 Version: 9.0p255 Unstructured OS: XP Pro with SP3 Alison Alison Craig, Technical Writer Ultrasonix Medical Corporation Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127 E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum Writing Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:19 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Annoying FM quirk All, I have a paragraph tag named PageBreak that is designed to do what the name implies - put in a PageBreak at specific location that I select. The tag has a 750.00 pt Below Pfg characteristic and I have also applied a bright Fuschia color so that I can differentiate the pilcrow for the tag from that of a simple Body tag. When I apply the tag, the pilcrow is displayed in the Fuschia color, but after that, boom, it's a crapshoot. Sometimes the pilcrow holds the color and other times, it doesn't and I have to go back manually reapply the tag. It's very annoying as when proof-reading/editing my documents, I need to confirm that the tag is indeed a PageBreak tag and not a Body tag. (If I were just printing the manuals, then it wouldn't be an issue, but I am single-sourcing these docs. and using ePublisher to produce online help, so the issue becomes critical for this.) Has anyone experienced this or something similar at all? Why on earth won't the pilcrow hold the color? FWIW, I am using FM9 (all patched and current) on a Win7 64-bit system. TIA, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com info at spectrumwritingllc.com
