Re: Another Stupid Framemaker Question
At 5:15 pm -0500 19/1/06, John Huntington wrote: Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and character formats shared by the entire book? No - for that, you need Interleaf... (ROFL) Seriously, John, what you are doing with para formats is correct for FrameMaker. If, say, you change a paragraph (or a character) format in one document within a book, there are two basic approaches: . If you keep all paragraph and character formats the same across a book (I prefer to, others don't), just import the required formats from the changed document to the remainder of the book using the File - Import - Formats command from the book window. . If you prefer to play safe, or don't have all paragraph formats synchronized across the book, save a separate copy of the document with the changed format(s), *delete* from it all but the changed formats, and then import them from that copy across the book, discarding the copy afterwards. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Another Stupid Framemaker Question
Thanks to all for the info! So far so good--I love the editing capabilities of FM... John ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
At 5:15 pm -0500 19/1/06, John Huntington wrote: >Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and character >formats shared by the entire book? No - for that, you need Interleaf... (ROFL) Seriously, John, what you are doing with para formats is correct for FrameMaker. If, say, you change a paragraph (or a character) format in one document within a book, there are two basic approaches: . If you keep all paragraph and character formats the same across a book (I prefer to, others don't), just import the required formats from the changed document to the remainder of the book using the File -> Import -> Formats command from the book window. . If you prefer to play safe, or don't have all paragraph formats synchronized across the book, save a separate copy of the document with the changed format(s), *delete* from it all but the changed formats, and then import them from that copy across the book, discarding the copy afterwards. -- Steve
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
Thanks to all for the info! So far so good--I love the editing capabilities of FM... John
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
Ok, for those of you following along :-) I've now got my whole book imported, got the TOC generating, got each of the 50 chapters in a separate file, got Volumes set up to generate part numbering, etc. Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I want to do, but I'm a bit confused. For example, I'd ideally like to have the exact same Paragraph Formats across every document in the book. The only way I've figured out how to do this so far is to create the formats as I want them in one document, and then with the Book window selected, and all the chapter files highlighted, import those formats to all other documents. Is there an easier way to do this? Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and character formats shared by the entire book? That way, if on Chapter 23 I decide I need a new character format I could go back into Chapter 2 and use it without importing, etc. Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it update all across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( Thanks! John ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Another Stupid Framemaker Question
I keep a small set of master chapter templates (front matter, regular chapters) in a subdirectory of the FM templates. When I change formatting, I try to do it in the appropriate file and then either Import Formats or use the Clean Import plug-in to ripple the changes through the book's files. Yes, you can do it backwards, by modifying stuff in a working file and then making the changes ripple to the other files, but the template strategy gives you a backup in case your changes suddenly all go south. Also, the Clean Import plug in automagically removes mutant/non-standard tags; the regular Import Formats preserves them. No, dynamic updates aren't supported. The header format change would be applied the same way a para or character format change would be; you'd probably use Import Formats and specify Variables or Page Layouts, depending on exactly what you changed and how you did it. Art On 1/19/06, John Huntington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I want to do, but I'm a bit confused. For example, I'd ideally like to have the exact same Paragraph Formats across every document in the book. The only way I've figured out how to do this so far is to create the formats as I want them in one document, and then with the Book window selected, and all the chapter files highlighted, import those formats to all other documents. Is there an easier way to do this? Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and character formats shared by the entire book? That way, if on Chapter 23 I decide I need a new character format I could go back into Chapter 2 and use it without importing, etc. Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it update all across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Another Stupid Framemaker Question
Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I want to do, but I'm a bit confused. For example, I'd ideally like to have the exact same Paragraph Formats across every document in the book. The only way I've figured out how to do this so far is to create the formats as I want them in one document, and then with the Book window selected, and all the chapter files highlighted, import those formats to all other documents. Is there an easier way to do this? That'd be the way to do it. Set up one file, import from it to all the others. Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and character formats shared by the entire book? That way, if on Chapter 23 I decide I need a new character format I could go back into Chapter 2 and use it without importing, etc. Nope. FM is not Word. Once you get used to this import workflow, you'll realize just how useful it actually is. Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it update all across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( What do yo umean by header format and how are you making the change? -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner 42.8162,-73.7736 http://techcommdood.blogspot.com I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Another Stupid Framemaker Question
Precise language is needed here. Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it update all across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( Now...that should work. but only within the file. When you make the change, are you clicking Update All To do it book wide, you have to copy that format to all of the other files in the book. Display the book, highlight all the files in the book, then import the format from the file in which you made the change. If by Header format you mean a paragraph format, then importing paragraph formats from the modified file to all other files in the book will work. However, if modifying a Header format means changing the layout of a background text frame and/or background graphic, on a master page, then you need to import master pages from the changed file to the others. Master pages are called Page Layouts in the import formats dialog box. Be aware that any importing action replaces items in the receiving files with the similarly-named incoming items. If identically-named master pages, reference pages, and other formats in all your files are not defined or formatted identically, then importing across a book will replace your idiosyncratic items. It's a good idea to use Shift+File from the book window to open all files in a book, then save them all, before importing formats. The import isn't undo-able, but you can use Shift+File to close all files in the book and choose not to save them, then start over. There has been a lot of discussion on this and other lists, about best practices in defining and maintaining formats for single files and books of files. Everybody has an opinion, though most fall into one or the other of two main camps. Search for the past threads to get a sense of history and perhaps some guidance in making your own choice. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
Ok, for those of you following along :-) I've now got my whole book imported, got the TOC generating, got each of the 50 chapters in a separate file, got "Volumes" set up to generate part numbering, etc. Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I want to do, but I'm a bit confused. For example, I'd ideally like to have the exact same Paragraph Formats across every document in the book. The only way I've figured out how to do this so far is to create the formats as I want them in one document, and then with the Book window selected, and all the chapter files highlighted, import those formats to all other documents. Is there an easier way to do this? Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and character formats shared by the entire book? That way, if on Chapter 23 I decide I need a new character format I could go back into Chapter 2 and use it without importing, etc. Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it "update all" across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( Thanks! John
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
> Ok, for those of you following along :-) I've now > got my whole book imported, got the TOC generating, > got each of the 50 chapters in a separate file, got > "Volumes" set up to generate part numbering, etc. > > Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I > want to do, but I'm a bit confused. For example, > I'd ideally like to have the exact same Paragraph > Formats across every document in the book. The > only way I've figured out how to do this so far is > to create the formats as I want them in one document, > and then with the Book window selected, and > all the chapter files highlighted, import those > formats to all other > documents. Is there an easier way to do this? That' it...bucko > > Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic > paragraph and character formats shared by the entire > book? That way, if on Chapter 23 I decide I need a > new character format I could go back into Chapter > 2 and use it without importing, etc. You mean like a CSS file that every file subscribes to? I've been asking it for years. > Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one > place and have it "update all" across the whole > book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( Now...that should work. but only within the file. When you make the change, are you clicking "Update All" To do it book wide, you have to copy that format to all of the other files in the book. Display the book, highlight all the files in the book, then import the format from the file in which you made the change. > > Thanks! > > John > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jposada01 at yahoo.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jposada01%40yahoo.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
I keep a small set of master chapter templates (front matter, regular chapters) in a subdirectory of the FM templates. When I change formatting, I try to do it in the appropriate file and then either Import Formats or use the Clean Import plug-in to ripple the changes through the book's files. Yes, you can do it backwards, by modifying stuff in a working file and then making the changes ripple to the other files, but the template strategy gives you a backup in case your changes suddenly all go south. Also, the Clean Import plug in automagically removes mutant/non-standard tags; the regular Import Formats preserves them. No, dynamic updates aren't supported. The header format change would be applied the same way a para or character format change would be; you'd probably use Import Formats and specify Variables or Page Layouts, depending on exactly what you changed and how you did it. Art On 1/19/06, John Huntington wrote: > Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I want to do, but I'm a > bit confused. For example, I'd ideally like to have the exact same > Paragraph Formats across every document in the book. The only way I've > figured out how to do this so far is to create the formats as I want > them in one document, and then with the Book window selected, and all > the chapter files highlighted, import those formats to all other > documents. Is there an easier way to do this? > > Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and > character formats shared by the entire book? That way, if on Chapter 23 > I decide I need a new character format I could go back into Chapter 2 > and use it without importing, etc. > > Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it > "update all" across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
> Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I want to do, but I'm a > bit confused. For example, I'd ideally like to have the exact same > Paragraph Formats across every document in the book. The only way I've > figured out how to do this so far is to create the formats as I want > them in one document, and then with the Book window selected, and all > the chapter files highlighted, import those formats to all other > documents. Is there an easier way to do this? That'd be the way to do it. Set up one file, import from it to all the others. > Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and > character formats shared by the entire book? That way, if on Chapter 23 > I decide I need a new character format I could go back into Chapter 2 > and use it without importing, etc. Nope. FM is not Word. Once you get used to this import workflow, you'll realize just how useful it actually is. > Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it > "update all" across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( What do yo umean by "header format" and how are you making the change? -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner 42.8162,-73.7736 http://techcommdood.blogspot.com I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary.
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
I don't usually copy paragraph and character formats across an entire book. I find that each type of file may need its own formats. Others may post some tricks you can use, like using MIF. I do it by setting up a template for each type of material I use: *title *copyright page *TOC *preface *introduction *part (ie Part I) *chapter *appendix *glossary *index When I'm doing this, I start out by defining formats in the title template, and then use File > Import > Formats to copy to other templates. Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 jmalin at tuvox.com www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Huntington Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:16 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Another Stupid Framemaker Question Ok, for those of you following along :-) I've now got my whole book imported, got the TOC generating, got each of the 50 chapters in a separate file, got "Volumes" set up to generate part numbering, etc. Now I'm starting to see global formatting things I want to do, but I'm a bit confused. For example, I'd ideally like to have the exact same Paragraph Formats across every document in the book. The only way I've figured out how to do this so far is to create the formats as I want them in one document, and then with the Book window selected, and all the chapter files highlighted, import those formats to all other documents. Is there an easier way to do this? Is there some way I could have one set of dynamic paragraph and character formats shared by the entire book? That way, if on Chapter 23 I decide I need a new character format I could go back into Chapter 2 and use it without importing, etc. Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one place and have it "update all" across the whole book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( Thanks! John
Another Stupid Framemaker Question
Precise language is needed here. > > Also, I'd like to change a Header format in one >> place and have it "update all" across the whole >> book, but that doesn't seem to work either :-( > >Now...that should work. but only within the file. When you make the >change, are you clicking "Update All" To do it book wide, you have to >copy that format to all of the other files in the book. Display the >book, highlight all the files in the book, then import the format >from the file in which you made the change. If by "Header format" you mean a paragraph format, then importing paragraph formats from the modified file to all other files in the book will work. However, if modifying a "Header format" means changing the layout of a background text frame and/or background graphic, on a master page, then you need to import master pages from the changed file to the others. Master pages are called "Page Layouts" in the import formats dialog box. Be aware that any importing action replaces items in the receiving files with the similarly-named incoming items. If identically-named master pages, reference pages, and other formats in all your files are not defined or formatted identically, then importing across a book will replace your idiosyncratic items. It's a good idea to use Shift+File from the book window to open all files in a book, then save them all, before importing formats. The import isn't undo-able, but you can use Shift+File to close all files in the book and choose not to save them, then start over. There has been a lot of discussion on this and other lists, about best practices in defining and maintaining formats for single files and books of files. Everybody has an opinion, though most fall into one or the other of two main camps. Search for the past threads to get a sense of history and perhaps some guidance in making your own choice. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices peter at knowhowpro.com
