Background with JPEG
I come back to what you both said about transparency after reading this technical note by Adobe : " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker Adobe FrameMaker doesn't support transparency in image files (for example, EPS, TIFF, GIF, or JPEG). When you import an image, FrameMaker maps any transparent pixels to white to enable irregular text runarounds. If FrameMaker did not map transparent areas of images to white, text runarounds would not work correctly with the image" (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=317850) So, does FrameMaker support transparency at all or not ? Apparently, versions affected by this technical note are 5.0 to 7.0...WAs it fixed with the 7.2 version ? Thank you for you help, Mathieu. >From: "Sean Pollock" >To: art.campbell at gmail.com, bobitch at hotmail.com >CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:06 + > > > >EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the >larger file size. > >--Sean Pollock >UGS Corp. > > > > >From: "Art Campbell" >To: "mathieu jacquet" >CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:50:31 -0500 > >The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for > >any > >publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. > > > >If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the > >background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. > > > >If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file > >format > >that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... > > > >Art > > > >On 2/27/07, jacquet wrote: > >>Hi >all, > >> > >>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it > >>possible not to > >>have a white or greyish square background appear ? > >> > >>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the > >>background > >>disappear ? > >> > >>Thank you all, > >> > >>Mathieu. > >> > >>_ > >>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > >>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > >> > >>___ > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Art >Campbell>art.campbell at gmail.com > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > >Vincent > > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No disclaimers >apply. > > DoD 358 > >___ > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as spolloc1 at hotmail.com. > > > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > >or visit > >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/spolloc1%40hotmail.com > > > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > _ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/
Background with JPEG
Well, No, FM doesn't support transparency. However, you might run into a disagreement on whether it's broken or not. As whoever you quoted mentioned, the tradeoff seems to be support for runarounds or transparency, and they picked runarounds. Art On 3/20/07, mathieu jacquet wrote: > I come back to what you both said about transparency after reading this > technical note by Adobe : > > " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker > > Adobe FrameMaker doesn't support transparency in image files (for example, > EPS, TIFF, GIF, or JPEG). When you import an image, FrameMaker maps any > transparent pixels to white to enable irregular text runarounds. If > FrameMaker did not map transparent areas of images to white, text runarounds > would not work correctly with the image" > > (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=317850) > > So, does FrameMaker support transparency at all or not ? Apparently, > versions affected by this technical note are 5.0 to 7.0...WAs it fixed with > the 7.2 version ? > > Thank you for you help, > > Mathieu. > > > >From: "Sean Pollock" > >To: art.campbell at gmail.com, bobitch at hotmail.com > >CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:06 + > > > > > > > >EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the > >larger file size. > > > >--Sean Pollock > >UGS Corp. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Art Campbell" > >To: "mathieu jacquet" > >CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:50:31 -0500 > > >The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for > > >any > > >publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. > > > > > >If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the > > >background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. > > > > > >If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file > > >format > > >that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... > > > > > >Art > > > > > >On 2/27/07, jacquet wrote: > > >>Hi > >all, > > >> > > >>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it > > >>possible not to > > >>have a white or greyish square background appear ? > > >> > > >>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the > > >>background > > >>disappear ? > > >> > > >>Thank you all, > > >> > > >>Mathieu. > > >> > > >>_ > > >>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > > >>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > > >> > > >>___ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Art > >Campbell>art.campbell at > >gmail.com > > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > > >Vincent > > > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > > No disclaimers > >apply. > > > DoD 358 > > >___ > > > > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as spolloc1 at hotmail.com. > > > > > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > >or visit > > >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/spolloc1%40hotmail.com > > > > > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > > _ > Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Background with JPEG
And we all know how well it works when you leave runarounds turned on. Berny Gagne Lead Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. Bolton, Ontario, Canada -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:15 AM To: mathieu jacquet Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Background with JPEG Well, No, FM doesn't support transparency. However, you might run into a disagreement on whether it's broken or not. As whoever you quoted mentioned, the tradeoff seems to be support for runarounds or transparency, and they picked runarounds. Art On 3/20/07, mathieu jacquet wrote: > I come back to what you both said about transparency after reading > this technical note by Adobe : > > " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker > > Adobe FrameMaker doesn't support transparency in image files (for > example, EPS, TIFF, GIF, or JPEG). When you import an image, > FrameMaker maps any transparent pixels to white to enable irregular > text runarounds. If FrameMaker did not map transparent areas of images > to white, text runarounds would not work correctly with the image" > > (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=317850) > > So, does FrameMaker support transparency at all or not ? Apparently, > versions affected by this technical note are 5.0 to 7.0...WAs it fixed > with the 7.2 version ? > > Thank you for you help, > > Mathieu. > > > >From: "Sean Pollock" > >To: art.campbell at gmail.com, bobitch at hotmail.com > >CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:06 + > > > > > > > >EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the > >larger file size. > > > >--Sean Pollock > >UGS Corp. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Art Campbell" > >To: "mathieu jacquet" > >CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:50:31 -0500 > > >The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for > > >any publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. > > > > > >If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the > > >background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. > > > > > >If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file > > >format that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... > > > > > >Art > > > > > >On 2/27/07, jacquet wrote: > > >>Hi > >all, > > >> > > >>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it > > >>possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? > > >> > > >>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the > > >>background disappear ? > > >> > > >>Thank you all, > > >> > > >>Mathieu. > > >> > > >>_ > > >>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > > >>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > > >> > > >>___ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Art > >Campbell >art.campbell at gmail.com > > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > > >Vincent > > > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > > No disclaimers > >apply. > > > DoD 358 > > >___ > > > > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as spolloc1 at hotmail.com. > > > > > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > >or visit > > >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/spolloc1%40hotm > > >ail.com > > > > > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > > _ > Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bgagne at husky.ca. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bgagne%40husky.ca Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Background with JPEG
I'm not sure if transparent images are officially supported in FM, but I have been able to do this when there is an occasional need. FrameMaker (5.5 or earlier? through 7.2) has been able to handle a Photoshop EPS image with a clipping path that defines the visible object shape. (Refer to Photoshop's Help for creating a clipping path.) Other file formats, including JPEGs, don't seem to work. Assuming that you have a background fill or image on the master page, you can get an image on the body page to display with transparency in the PDF output. To do so: 1. Import the EPS image with clipping path into the FM document. This places the image in an anchored frame. 2. Select the image inside the anchored frame. 3. From FM's Tools Palette, click the Set Fill Pattern button and select None. (This is the key step.) At this point, the EPS preview image that you see in FM is unchanged. However, the PDF output will display and print the image with the transparent regions defined by the clipping path. I suspect that this successful transparency has more to do with postscript and Distiller than FrameMaker. With regard to the text runaround issue, the anchored frame can be set to "Run into Paragraph." The text will flow around the shape of the anchored frame. Although this box may look a bit crude, the transparent image and anchored frame will behave nicely if the document is edited or re-flowed. If you still insist on having the text flow around the shape of the image object instead of the anchored frame, I think the only way to do this is to eliminate the anchored frame. For this work-around, you place the image on the body page -- but don't expect the image to move with the text flow. Continuing from the steps above, you can get the text to flow around the image shape: 4. Drag the image outside of the anchored frame, then delete the anchored frame. Note that the text still flows around the rectangular shape of the image. 5. Select the image and set its runaround properties to Don't Run Around. 6. Send the image to back (Graphics>Send to back). 6. From the Tools Palette, select the Draw Polygon tool and draw a shape for the text to flow around. 7. Set the Polygon shape's runaround properties to Run around Contour. 8. From the Tools Palette, set the shape's Pen and Fill Patterns to None. Ian Scheitle Lurker, on digest > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:15:02 -0400 > From: "Art Campbell" > Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > To: "mathieu jacquet" > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Well, > > No, FM doesn't support transparency. However, you might run into a > disagreement on whether it's broken or not. As whoever you quoted > mentioned, the tradeoff seems to be support for runarounds or > transparency, and they picked runarounds. > > Art > > On 3/20/07, mathieu jacquet wrote: > > I come back to what you both said about transparency > > after reading this technical note by Adobe : > > > > " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker
Background with JPEG
Hi all, when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the background disappear ? Thank you all, Mathieu. _ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/
Background with JPEG
The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for any publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file format that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... Art On 2/27/07, jacquet wrote: > Hi all, > > when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible not to > have a white or greyish square background appear ? > > Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the background > disappear ? > > Thank you all, > > Mathieu. > > _ > Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > > ___ > > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Background with JPEG
EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the larger file size. --Sean Pollock UGS Corp. __ From: "Art Campbell" To: "mathieu jacquet" CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Background with JPEG Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:50:31 -0500 >The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for >any >publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. > >If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the >background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. > >If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file >format >that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... > >Art > >On 2/27/07, jacquet wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it >>possible not to >>have a white or greyish square background appear ? >> >>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the >>background >>disappear ? >> >>Thank you all, >> >>Mathieu. >> >>_ >>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com >>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ >> >>___ >> >> > > >-- >Art Campbell >art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 >Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as spolloc1 at hotmail.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/spolloc1%40hotmail.co m > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Background with JPEG
Hi Mathieu, Actually, despite what one other list member said, JPEG does support transparency if you set it. However, I would not use JPG format in any case. It supports a high number of colors, but it is considered a "lossy" format, meaning it does not render solid-colored spaces accurately; rather, it introduces subtle but noticeable variations. If you are doing graphics with a very limited number of colors, GIF would be OK. But, by far, my preference is for PNG (Portable Networking Graphics) format. It supports the high number of colors like JPG, but it is not lossy. It also supports transparency, though I believe older browsers might not render transparency correctly with this format. In any case, the answer to your problem is to make sure you are working with a graphics program that supports transparency for a selected (usually background) color. If you need more help/information, please feel free to contact me offline if you want. HTH, Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | Charles.Beck at infor.com -Original Message- Subject: Background with JPEG Hi all, when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the background disappear ? Thank you all, Mathieu.
Background with JPEG
Charles, You may want to mention this to the independent JPG group at www.jpg.org people... they don't think their format supports transparency. See question 12 in the http://www.faqs.org/faqs/jpeg-faq/ JPG2000 does, however. Art On 2/27/07, Charles Beck wrote: > Hi Mathieu, > > Actually, despite what one other list member said, JPEG does support > transparency if you set it. However, I would not use JPG format in any > case. It supports a high number of colors, but it is considered a > "lossy" format, meaning it does not render solid-colored spaces > accurately; rather, it introduces subtle but noticeable variations. > > If you are doing graphics with a very limited number of colors, GIF > would be OK. But, by far, my preference is for PNG (Portable Networking > Graphics) format. It supports the high number of colors like JPG, but it > is not lossy. It also supports transparency, though I believe older > browsers might not render transparency correctly with this format. > > In any case, the answer to your problem is to make sure you are working > with a graphics program that supports transparency for a selected > (usually background) color. > > If you need more help/information, please feel free to contact me > offline if you want. > > HTH, > Chuck Beck > Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | > Charles.Beck at infor.com > > > -Original Message- > Subject: Background with JPEG > > Hi all, > > when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible > not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? > > Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the > background disappear ? > > Thank you all, > > Mathieu. > > ___ -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Background with JPEG
Hi all, when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the background disappear ? Thank you all, Mathieu. _ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Background with JPEG
The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for any publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file format that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... Art On 2/27/07, jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi all, when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the background disappear ? Thank you all, Mathieu. _ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Background with JPEG
EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the larger
file size.
--Sean Pollock
UGS Corp.
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Subject: Re: Background with JPEG
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>The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for
>any
>publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported.
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>If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the
>background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg.
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>If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file
>format
>that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another...
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>Art
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>On 2/27/07, jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hi all,
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>>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it
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>>Thank you all,
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>>Mathieu.
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>>_
>>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com
>>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/
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>>___
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RE: Background with JPEG
Hi Mathieu, Actually, despite what one other list member said, JPEG does support transparency if you set it. However, I would not use JPG format in any case. It supports a high number of colors, but it is considered a "lossy" format, meaning it does not render solid-colored spaces accurately; rather, it introduces subtle but noticeable variations. If you are doing graphics with a very limited number of colors, GIF would be OK. But, by far, my preference is for PNG (Portable Networking Graphics) format. It supports the high number of colors like JPG, but it is not lossy. It also supports transparency, though I believe older browsers might not render transparency correctly with this format. In any case, the answer to your problem is to make sure you are working with a graphics program that supports transparency for a selected (usually background) color. If you need more help/information, please feel free to contact me offline if you want. HTH, Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Subject: Background with JPEG Hi all, when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the background disappear ? Thank you all, Mathieu. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Background with JPEG
Charles, You may want to mention this to the independent JPG group at www.jpg.org people... they don't think their format supports transparency. See question 12 in the http://www.faqs.org/faqs/jpeg-faq/ JPG2000 does, however. Art On 2/27/07, Charles Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Mathieu, Actually, despite what one other list member said, JPEG does support transparency if you set it. However, I would not use JPG format in any case. It supports a high number of colors, but it is considered a "lossy" format, meaning it does not render solid-colored spaces accurately; rather, it introduces subtle but noticeable variations. If you are doing graphics with a very limited number of colors, GIF would be OK. But, by far, my preference is for PNG (Portable Networking Graphics) format. It supports the high number of colors like JPG, but it is not lossy. It also supports transparency, though I believe older browsers might not render transparency correctly with this format. In any case, the answer to your problem is to make sure you are working with a graphics program that supports transparency for a selected (usually background) color. If you need more help/information, please feel free to contact me offline if you want. HTH, Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Subject: Background with JPEG Hi all, when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the background disappear ? Thank you all, Mathieu. ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Background with JPEG
I come back to what you both said about transparency after reading this technical note by Adobe : " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker Adobe FrameMaker doesn't support transparency in image files (for example, EPS, TIFF, GIF, or JPEG). When you import an image, FrameMaker maps any transparent pixels to white to enable irregular text runarounds. If FrameMaker did not map transparent areas of images to white, text runarounds would not work correctly with the image" (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=317850) So, does FrameMaker support transparency at all or not ? Apparently, versions affected by this technical note are 5.0 to 7.0...WAs it fixed with the 7.2 version ? Thank you for you help, Mathieu. From: "Sean Pollock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Background with JPEG Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:06 + EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the larger file size. --Sean Pollock UGS Corp. From: "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "mathieu jacquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Background with JPEG Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:50:31 -0500 >The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for >any >publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. > >If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the >background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. > >If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file >format >that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... > >Art > >On 2/27/07, jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it >>possible not to >>have a white or greyish square background appear ? >> >>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the >>background >>disappear ? >> >>Thank you all, >> >>Mathieu. >> >>_ >>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com >>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ >> >>___ >> >> > > >-- >Art Campbell>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 >Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/spolloc1%40hotmail.com > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Background with JPEG
Well, No, FM doesn't support transparency. However, you might run into a disagreement on whether it's broken or not. As whoever you quoted mentioned, the tradeoff seems to be support for runarounds or transparency, and they picked runarounds. Art On 3/20/07, mathieu jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I come back to what you both said about transparency after reading this technical note by Adobe : " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker Adobe FrameMaker doesn't support transparency in image files (for example, EPS, TIFF, GIF, or JPEG). When you import an image, FrameMaker maps any transparent pixels to white to enable irregular text runarounds. If FrameMaker did not map transparent areas of images to white, text runarounds would not work correctly with the image" (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=317850) So, does FrameMaker support transparency at all or not ? Apparently, versions affected by this technical note are 5.0 to 7.0...WAs it fixed with the 7.2 version ? Thank you for you help, Mathieu. >From: "Sean Pollock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:06 + > > > >EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the >larger file size. > >--Sean Pollock >UGS Corp. > > > > >From: "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "mathieu jacquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:50:31 -0500 > >The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for > >any > >publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. > > > >If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the > >background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. > > > >If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file > >format > >that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... > > > >Art > > > >On 2/27/07, jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Hi >all, > >> > >>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it > >>possible not to > >>have a white or greyish square background appear ? > >> > >>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the > >>background > >>disappear ? > >> > >>Thank you all, > >> > >>Mathieu. > >> > >>_ > >>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > >>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > >> > >>___ > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >Art >Campbell>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > >Vincent > > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > No disclaimers >apply. > > DoD 358 > >___ > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >or visit > >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/spolloc1%40hotmail.com > > > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > _ Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Background with JPEG
And we all know how well it works when you leave runarounds turned on. Berny Gagne Lead Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. Bolton, Ontario, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:15 AM To: mathieu jacquet Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Background with JPEG Well, No, FM doesn't support transparency. However, you might run into a disagreement on whether it's broken or not. As whoever you quoted mentioned, the tradeoff seems to be support for runarounds or transparency, and they picked runarounds. Art On 3/20/07, mathieu jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I come back to what you both said about transparency after reading > this technical note by Adobe : > > " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker > > Adobe FrameMaker doesn't support transparency in image files (for > example, EPS, TIFF, GIF, or JPEG). When you import an image, > FrameMaker maps any transparent pixels to white to enable irregular > text runarounds. If FrameMaker did not map transparent areas of images > to white, text runarounds would not work correctly with the image" > > (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=317850) > > So, does FrameMaker support transparency at all or not ? Apparently, > versions affected by this technical note are 5.0 to 7.0...WAs it fixed > with the 7.2 version ? > > Thank you for you help, > > Mathieu. > > > >From: "Sean Pollock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:18:06 + > > > > > > > >EPS with transparency applied always works well if you don't mind the > >larger file size. > > > >--Sean Pollock > >UGS Corp. > > > > > > > > > >From: "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "mathieu jacquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com > >Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:50:31 -0500 > > >The short answer is "no," because (besides being a poor choice for > > >any publishing use other than www) transparency isn't supported. > > > > > >If you have Photoshop or a similar program, you can isolate the > > >background from your subject and set it to white and still use .jpg. > > > > > >If you want true transparency, you need to pick a graphic file > > >format that supports it: Photoshop's own format, GIF, or another... > > > > > >Art > > > > > >On 2/27/07, jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Hi > >all, > > >> > > >>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it > > >>possible not to have a white or greyish square background appear ? > > >> > > >>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the > > >>background disappear ? > > >> > > >>Thank you all, > > >> > > >>Mathieu. > > >> > > >>_ > > >>Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > > >>http://www.windowslive.fr/livecom/ > > >> > > >>___ > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Art > >Campbell >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > > >Vincent > > > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > > > No disclaimers > >apply. > > > DoD 358 > > >___ > > > > > > > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >or visit > > >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/spolloc1%40hotm > > >ail.com > > > > > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > > >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > > > > _ > Personnalisez votre Messenger avec Live.com > http://www.windowslive.
Re: Background with JPEG
I'm not sure if transparent images are officially supported in FM, but I have been able to do this when there is an occasional need. FrameMaker (5.5 or earlier? through 7.2) has been able to handle a Photoshop EPS image with a clipping path that defines the visible object shape. (Refer to Photoshop's Help for creating a clipping path.) Other file formats, including JPEGs, don't seem to work. Assuming that you have a background fill or image on the master page, you can get an image on the body page to display with transparency in the PDF output. To do so: 1. Import the EPS image with clipping path into the FM document. This places the image in an anchored frame. 2. Select the image inside the anchored frame. 3. From FM's Tools Palette, click the Set Fill Pattern button and select None. (This is the key step.) At this point, the EPS preview image that you see in FM is unchanged. However, the PDF output will display and print the image with the transparent regions defined by the clipping path. I suspect that this successful transparency has more to do with postscript and Distiller than FrameMaker. With regard to the text runaround issue, the anchored frame can be set to "Run into Paragraph." The text will flow around the shape of the anchored frame. Although this box may look a bit crude, the transparent image and anchored frame will behave nicely if the document is edited or re-flowed. If you still insist on having the text flow around the shape of the image object instead of the anchored frame, I think the only way to do this is to eliminate the anchored frame. For this work-around, you place the image on the body page -- but don't expect the image to move with the text flow. Continuing from the steps above, you can get the text to flow around the image shape: 4. Drag the image outside of the anchored frame, then delete the anchored frame. Note that the text still flows around the rectangular shape of the image. 5. Select the image and set its runaround properties to Don't Run Around. 6. Send the image to back (Graphics>Send to back). 6. From the Tools Palette, select the Draw Polygon tool and draw a shape for the text to flow around. 7. Set the Polygon shape's runaround properties to Run around Contour. 8. From the Tools Palette, set the shape's Pen and Fill Patterns to None. Ian Scheitle Lurker, on digest > Message: 13 > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:15:02 -0400 > From: "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Background with JPEG > To: "mathieu jacquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Message-ID: ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Well, > > No, FM doesn't support transparency. However, you might run into a > disagreement on whether it's broken or not. As whoever you quoted > mentioned, the tradeoff seems to be support for runarounds or > transparency, and they picked runarounds. > > Art > > On 3/20/07, mathieu jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I come back to what you both said about transparency > > after reading this technical note by Adobe : > > > > " Transparent Color in Images Is White in FrameMaker ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
