Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

The OLE linking of Visio files has worked well for me.
I have tried PDF-ing the Visio and EPS-ing that in Acrobat. It
sometimes works and sometimes crashes FM, like a couple of days since.
I then saved the Visio as AutoCad and opened that in Illustrator, made
some changes and EPS-ed that. No crash now on this graphic.

The downside of the OLE linking is that FM will pause paging when it
hits the link and while loading the graphic, which can be a bit
annoying.

Bodvar

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Combs, Richard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Art Campbell wrote:

 The accepted way to do this was to import Visio files as OLE objects,
 however OLE didn't always work reliably, especially if you were doing
 several files. Just lately, after installing XP SP3, even that limited
 method quit working for me and several others who have reported
 problems.

 If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
 format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

 I think if you check the archives, you'll find as much or more criticism
 of using OLE as acceptance.

 As for saving Visio drawings in a graphic format, the problem in the
 past has been that most of Visio's export filters (including WMF and
 EPS) weren't very good (I don't know if that's changed in Visio 2007).
 Also, many people unwisely save those nice scalable vector graphics in a
 raster (bitmap) format like PNG.

 I've been using a Visio  PDF  FM process for some time and strongly
 recommend it. If you have a recent full version of Acrobat (6-8, I
 believe) and it was installed after Visio (2000-2007, I believe), you'll
 have PDFMaker available in Visio, just like in Word, and making PDFs is
 a one-click procedure. Multi-page Visio files turn into multi-page PDFs.


 In FM, import the PDF by reference (select the page you want, if
 necessary). When you edit the Visio file, just click the PDF button, and
 let the path/name default to the one you used the last time you did
 this. The next time you open the FM doc, you'll see the new version.

 HTH!
 Richard


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Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Rene Stephenson]

We deliver mostly PDFs, and the majority of our customers work from printed 
(via laser printer, not press) PDFs, not the electronic file. We only use Visio 
for flowcharts and schematic diagrams -- just the simple line stuff.  Almost 
all of our technical drawings are sourced in CorelDRAW 12, and somehow the way 
FM
handles the imported hi-res TIF, the resized graphics in FM don't seem to lose
anything detectable. We originally tried to use EPS, but we had so many 
problems trying to get the EPS exported from Visio or from DRAW that our team 
began using TIF, because it seemed to be the only export filter that was 
working rather reliably and importing rather reliably no matter where we 
sourced (in DRAW, Visio, AI, CPT, FullShot, SnagIt, etc.) or used the graphic 
(typically in FM, but often output via WWP or PDF, and sometimes sourced in 
Word or DRAW).

But, we aren't sending the books to a professional press operation. This may be 
why we can get away with doing it this way. I'll definitely recheck some of 
the Visio drawings in the end-user PDF, though.

We use several graphics management plugins to handle bulk resize, shrinkwrap, 
or scale operations, so it gets problematic if we have a ton of white space 
around a graphic. One thing we like about TIF over PDF is that we don't have a 
lot of white space to hide with the anchored frame, so the shrinkwrap or scale 
bulk operations don't hose up the pagination.

Of course, I solicit best practice information from all parties on this list, 
so please don't hesitate to tell me where we're screwing up.  ;-)

 
Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rene Stephenson wrote:

 I've been successfully exporting TIF files from Visio and just
importing
 that into FM by reference. 

If you're delivering only printed docs and use a sufficiently high
resolution for your TIFFs, it may work OK. But if you deliver PDFs, you
might want to check the diagrams in the PDFs at some
higher-magnification zoom settings. 

Richard
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Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Steve Rickaby]

At 05:07 -0700 30/5/08, Rene Stephenson wrote:

Of course, I solicit best practice information from all parties on this 
list, so please don't hesitate to tell me where we're screwing up.  ;-)

I don't think you are, Rene, you've found what works for you and gone with it. 
Folks are correct in principle in saying that a vector graphics format such as 
.eps is preferable for line art, and that dumping to PDF and importing that 
into FrameMaker can often avoid a lot of problems. However, a large 
high-resolution TIFF scaled down on import may well give you the graphics 
quality you require. The acid test is, as Richard Combs commented, to look at 
the final PDF of a sample graphic under high magnification. As you mention 
SnagIt, I would also say that TIFF is our preferred format for screen grabs.

I can echo the various reports about the poor quality of output from the 
various filters that come with Visio from personal experience. In the past we 
have had to resort to extensive retouching (in Illustrator) of Visio .eps and 
.wmf files: typical problems included arcs and circles that had been 
interpreted as multiple straight-line segments, objects moving their locations 
and general lack of precision of placement, as if the format translation had 
been done with insufficient mathematical precision. Some stuff coming out of 
Visio was really bad, but the native Visio diagrams looked fine.

-- 
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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

The OLE linking of Visio files has worked well for me.
I have tried PDF-ing the Visio and EPS-ing that in Acrobat. It
sometimes works and sometimes crashes FM, like a couple of days since.
I then saved the Visio as AutoCad and opened that in Illustrator, made
some changes and EPS-ed that. No crash now on this graphic.

The downside of the OLE linking is that FM will pause paging when it
hits the link and while loading the graphic, which can be a bit
annoying.

Bodvar

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Combs, Richard
 wrote:
> Art Campbell wrote:
>
>> The accepted way to do this was to import Visio files as OLE objects,
>> however OLE didn't always work reliably, especially if you were doing
>> several files. Just lately, after installing XP SP3, even that limited
>> method quit working for me and several others who have reported
>> problems.
>>
>> If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
>> format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.
>
> I think if you check the archives, you'll find as much or more criticism
> of using OLE as acceptance.
>
> As for saving Visio drawings in a graphic format, the problem in the
> past has been that most of Visio's export filters (including WMF and
> EPS) weren't very good (I don't know if that's changed in Visio 2007).
> Also, many people unwisely save those nice scalable vector graphics in a
> raster (bitmap) format like PNG.
>
> I've been using a Visio > PDF > FM process for some time and strongly
> recommend it. If you have a recent full version of Acrobat (6-8, I
> believe) and it was installed after Visio (2000-2007, I believe), you'll
> have PDFMaker available in Visio, just like in Word, and making PDFs is
> a one-click procedure. Multi-page Visio files turn into multi-page PDFs.
>
>
> In FM, import the PDF by reference (select the page you want, if
> necessary). When you edit the Visio file, just click the PDF button, and
> let the path/name default to the one you used the last time you did
> this. The next time you open the FM doc, you'll see the new version.
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Rene Stephenson]

We deliver mostly PDFs, and the majority of our customers work from printed 
(via laser printer, not press) PDFs, not the electronic file. We only use Visio 
for flowcharts and schematic diagrams -- just the simple line stuff.  Almost 
all of our technical drawings are sourced in CorelDRAW 12, and somehow the way 
FM
handles the imported hi-res TIF, the resized graphics in FM don't seem to lose
anything detectable. We originally tried to use EPS, but we had so many 
problems trying to get the EPS exported from Visio or from DRAW that our team 
began using TIF, because it seemed to be the only export filter that was 
working rather reliably and importing rather reliably no matter where we 
sourced (in DRAW, Visio, AI, CPT, FullShot, SnagIt, etc.) or used the graphic 
(typically in FM, but often output via WWP or PDF, and sometimes sourced in 
Word or DRAW).

But, we aren't sending the books to a professional press operation. This may be 
why we can "get away with" doing it this way. I'll definitely recheck some of 
the Visio drawings in the end-user PDF, though.

We use several graphics management plugins to handle bulk resize, shrinkwrap, 
or scale operations, so it gets problematic if we have a ton of white space 
around a graphic. One thing we like about TIF over PDF is that we don't have a 
lot of white space to hide with the anchored frame, so the shrinkwrap or scale 
bulk operations don't hose up the pagination.

Of course, I solicit "best practice" information from all parties on this list, 
so please don't hesitate to tell me where we're screwing up.  ;-)


Rene L. Stephenson




- Original Message 
From: "Combs, Richard" 

Rene Stephenson wrote:

> I've been successfully exporting TIF files from Visio and just
importing
> that into FM by reference. 

If you're delivering only printed docs and use a sufficiently high
resolution for your TIFFs, it may work OK. But if you deliver PDFs, you
might want to check the diagrams in the PDFs at some
higher-magnification zoom settings. 

Richard

Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Steve Rickaby]

At 05:07 -0700 30/5/08, Rene Stephenson wrote:

>Of course, I solicit "best practice" information from all parties on this 
>list, so please don't hesitate to tell me where we're screwing up.  ;-)

I don't think you are, Rene, you've found what works for you and gone with it. 
Folks are correct in principle in saying that a vector graphics format such as 
.eps is preferable for line art, and that dumping to PDF and importing that 
into FrameMaker can often avoid a lot of problems. However, a large 
high-resolution TIFF scaled down on import may well give you the graphics 
quality you require. The acid test is, as Richard Combs commented, to look at 
the final PDF of a sample graphic under high magnification. As you mention 
SnagIt, I would also say that TIFF is our preferred format for screen grabs.

I can echo the various reports about the poor quality of output from the 
various filters that come with Visio from personal experience. In the past we 
have had to resort to extensive retouching (in Illustrator) of Visio .eps and 
.wmf files: typical problems included arcs and circles that had been 
interpreted as multiple straight-line segments, objects moving their locations 
and general lack of precision of placement, as if the format translation had 
been done with insufficient mathematical precision. Some stuff coming out of 
Visio was really bad, but the native Visio diagrams looked fine.

-- 
Steve

Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Krishna Mukherjee]

Hi,
 
I have about 10 figures in Visio that need to go into my Frame document. Would 
a simple cut and paste work or is there a preferred method of working with 
Visio files if they are to be incorporated into the Frame Doc?
 
Windows XP/Frame 7.2 (unstructured)
 
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Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Art Campbell]

The accepted way to do this was to import Visio files as OLE objects,
however OLE didn't always work reliably, especially if you were doing
several files. Just lately, after installing XP SP3, even that limited
method quit working for me and several others who have reported
problems.

If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

Art

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Krishna Mukherjee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 I have about 10 figures in Visio that need to go into my Frame document. 
 Would a simple cut and paste work or is there a preferred method of working 
 with Visio files if they are to be incorporated into the Frame Doc?

 Windows XP/Frame 7.2 (unstructured)

 Thanks,Krishna

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Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Milan Davidovic]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
 format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

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Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Milan, et al ...

 When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to 
save the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

I've had all kinds of text/font related problems trying to use *.wmf 
files created by Visio in the past. Perhaps things have improved 
since, but I often found text from diagrams had shifted or was 
missing altogether. *.emf files were better but not better enough.

I use Illustrator instead.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer...
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At 11:50 AM 5/29/2008, Milan Davidovic wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
  format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

--
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http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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RE: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Fred Ridder]

Commenting on how to import figures from Visio, Milan Davidovic wrote:
 On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
  format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.
 
 When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
 the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.
 
The problem with WMF is that the format only embeds the *name* of the
font(s) used for any text objects in the figure and not the font itself. 
This is OK if you are the only one ever working on the files, but it has the
potential to be a real PITA if you use non-ubiquitous fonts and need to
hand the files off to someone else for any purpose.
 
Printing the Visio figure to PDF and inserting the PDF by reference is the 
method I've used with great success for several years. Originally I used 
that method because the EPS export filter in Visio was chronically broken 
(before Microsoft dropped it from the product altogether...), but I wound 
up adopting PDF as my metafile format of choice for all graphics since 
it has all the same benefits as EPS for printed (or PDF) output and also 
has superb appearance on-screen as opposed to the low-res raster 
preview image you get with EPS.
 
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Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Rene Stephenson]

I've been successfully exporting TIF files from Visio and just importing that 
into FM by reference. The OLE stuff for Visio if FM does work, but it's really 
quirky/flaky with our files...although, that might be due to still using Visio 
2003!!

 
Rene L. Stephenson



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Milan, et al ...

When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to 
save the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

I've had all kinds of text/font related problems trying to use *.wmf 
files created by Visio in the past. Perhaps things have improved 
since, but I often found text from diagrams had shifted or was 
missing altogether. *.emf files were better but not better enough.

I use Illustrator instead.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer...
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At 11:50 AM 5/29/2008, Milan Davidovic wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
  format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

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RE: Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Combs, Richard]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
 
 I've been successfully exporting TIF files from Visio and just
importing
 that into FM by reference. 

I'm afraid that's one of the raster file formats I suggested is an
unwise choice for a vector drawing. 

If you're delivering only printed docs and use a sufficiently high
resolution for your TIFFs, it may work OK. But if you deliver PDFs, you
might want to check the diagrams in the PDFs at some
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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Krishna Mukherjee]

Hi,

I have about 10 figures in Visio that need to go into my Frame document. Would 
a simple cut and paste work or is there a preferred method of working with 
Visio files if they are to be incorporated into the Frame Doc?

Windows XP/Frame 7.2 (unstructured)

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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Art Campbell]

The accepted way to do this was to import Visio files as OLE objects,
however OLE didn't always work reliably, especially if you were doing
several files. Just lately, after installing XP SP3, even that limited
method quit working for me and several others who have reported
problems.

If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

Art

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Krishna Mukherjee  
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have about 10 figures in Visio that need to go into my Frame document. 
> Would a simple cut and paste work or is there a preferred method of working 
> with Visio files if they are to be incorporated into the Frame Doc?
>
> Windows XP/Frame 7.2 (unstructured)
>
> Thanks,Krishna
>
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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Milan Davidovic]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
> format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Milan, et al ...

 >>When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to 
save the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.<<

I've had all kinds of text/font related problems trying to use *.wmf 
files created by Visio in the past. Perhaps things have improved 
since, but I often found text from diagrams had shifted or was 
missing altogether. *.emf files were better but not better enough.

I use Illustrator instead.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer...
*
At 11:50 AM 5/29/2008, Milan Davidovic wrote:
>On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell  
>wrote:
> > If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
> > format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.
>
>When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
>the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.
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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Fred Ridder]

Commenting on how to import figures from Visio, Milan Davidovic wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell  
> wrote:
> > If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
> > format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.
> 
> When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
> the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.

The problem with WMF is that the format only embeds the *name* of the
font(s) used for any text objects in the figure and not the font itself. 
This is OK if you are the only one ever working on the files, but it has the
potential to be a real PITA if you use non-ubiquitous fonts and need to
hand the files off to someone else for any purpose.

Printing the Visio figure to PDF and inserting the PDF by reference is the 
method I've used with great success for several years. Originally I used 
that method because the EPS export filter in Visio was chronically broken 
(before Microsoft dropped it from the product altogether...), but I wound 
up adopting PDF as my metafile format of choice for all graphics since 
it has all the same benefits as EPS for printed (or PDF) output and also 
has superb appearance on-screen as opposed to the low-res raster 
preview image you get with EPS.

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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Rene Stephenson]

I've been successfully exporting TIF files from Visio and just importing that 
into FM by reference. The OLE stuff for Visio if FM does work, but it's really 
quirky/flaky with our files...although, that might be due to still using Visio 
2003!!


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer <denn...@chronometrics.com>
To: Milan Davidovic ; Frame Users 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:58:46 PM
Subject: Re: Basic question- Visio to Frame

Milan, et al ...

>>When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to 
save the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.<<

I've had all kinds of text/font related problems trying to use *.wmf 
files created by Visio in the past. Perhaps things have improved 
since, but I often found text from diagrams had shifted or was 
missing altogether. *.emf files were better but not better enough.

I use Illustrator instead.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer...
*
At 11:50 AM 5/29/2008, Milan Davidovic wrote:
>On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Art Campbell  
>wrote:
> > If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
> > format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.
>
>When I had to do this (a couple of years ago), I was advised to save
>the Visio diagram as a .wmf file, and then import that.
>
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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Combs, Richard]

Art Campbell wrote: 

> The accepted way to do this was to import Visio files as OLE objects,
> however OLE didn't always work reliably, especially if you were doing
> several files. Just lately, after installing XP SP3, even that limited
> method quit working for me and several others who have reported
> problems.
> 
> If I were you, I'd print to a PDF from Visio or SaveAs a graphic
> format from Visio and import the resulting file as a referenced file.

I think if you check the archives, you'll find as much or more criticism
of using OLE as acceptance. 

As for saving Visio drawings in a graphic format, the problem in the
past has been that most of Visio's export filters (including WMF and
EPS) weren't very good (I don't know if that's changed in Visio 2007).
Also, many people unwisely save those nice scalable vector graphics in a
raster (bitmap) format like PNG.

I've been using a Visio > PDF > FM process for some time and strongly
recommend it. If you have a recent full version of Acrobat (6-8, I
believe) and it was installed after Visio (2000-2007, I believe), you'll
have PDFMaker available in Visio, just like in Word, and making PDFs is
a one-click procedure. Multi-page Visio files turn into multi-page PDFs.


In FM, import the PDF by reference (select the page you want, if
necessary). When you edit the Visio file, just click the PDF button, and
let the path/name default to the one you used the last time you did
this. The next time you open the FM doc, you'll see the new version. 

HTH!
Richard


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Basic question- Visio to Frame

[Combs, Richard]

Rene Stephenson wrote:

> I've been successfully exporting TIF files from Visio and just
importing
> that into FM by reference. 

I'm afraid that's one of the raster file formats I suggested is an
unwise choice for a vector drawing. 

If you're delivering only printed docs and use a sufficiently high
resolution for your TIFFs, it may work OK. But if you deliver PDFs, you
might want to check the diagrams in the PDFs at some
higher-magnification zoom settings. 

Richard


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