Bugs, or features, in FM8
I was cleaning my keyboard, and accidentally dropped something on it. It opened a bunch of windows, and apparently sent this email. Please ignore. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:44 AM To: Shlomo Perets; orandeep at comcast.net Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com; Ashley_Meredith at brown.edu Subject: RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8 OKM 9 U 5 - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
Bugs, or features, in FM8
OKM 9 U 5 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:50 AM To: orandeep at comcast.net Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com; Ashley_Meredith at brown.edu Subject: Re: Bugs, or features, in FM8 Oran, You wrote: (to Austin Meredith, cc'd the list) >I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any >sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and >external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, elements, >paragraphs, etc. all of which are "hot" All of the links seem to work >as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As PDF abd when >I use the print & distill method. Since we are about to upgrade a very >large project involving thousands of unique manuals and hundreds of >thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your workflow/setup >is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. ... The cross-file linking issue is described at http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM8UnicodeCrossFileLinks (together with sample PDFs produced from the same source FM file, using FM7.2 and FM8.0, and FM8.0+TimeSavers 5.3) The problem will not be noticed when the PDFs are : -- accessed locally using Acrobat 8.x, but will be noticed when cross-file links are activated through a web browser (cross-file links in a PDF stored in an intranet/internet site) linking -- viewed in earlier Acrobat versions or some non-Adobe PDFs viewers Notice that in some cases, internal links are transformed to cross-file links, which reference the same file as a target. In such a case, links within the same file won't work when the PDF is viewed through a web browser. >As to your file lock/unlock issue... I don't see a problem here, and experience the same behavior in FM7.2 and FM8.0. In any case, the "locking" (view only) state has no implications on PDFs and links. Links should be tested in PDF, as links that work in FrameMaker may not work in Acrobat (and sometimes links that don't work in FrameMaker do work in Acrobat). Happy New Year! Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as cmartinek at zebra.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cmartinek%40zebra.co m Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8
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Bugs, or features, in FM8
Excuse me? I don't understand this. > -Original Message- > Subject: RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8 > > OKM 9 U 5 _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367
RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8
I was cleaning my keyboard, and accidentally dropped something on it. It opened a bunch of windows, and apparently sent this email. Please ignore. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:44 AM To: Shlomo Perets; orand...@comcast.net Cc: fram...@frameusers.com; ashley_mered...@brown.edu Subject: RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8 OKM 9 U 5 - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8
OKM 9 U 5 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:50 AM To: orand...@comcast.net Cc: fram...@frameusers.com; ashley_mered...@brown.edu Subject: Re: Bugs, or features, in FM8 Oran, You wrote: (to Austin Meredith, cc'd the list) >I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any >sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and >external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, elements, >paragraphs, etc. all of which are "hot" All of the links seem to work >as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As PDF abd when >I use the print & distill method. Since we are about to upgrade a very >large project involving thousands of unique manuals and hundreds of >thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your workflow/setup >is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. ... The cross-file linking issue is described at http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM8UnicodeCrossFileLinks (together with sample PDFs produced from the same source FM file, using FM7.2 and FM8.0, and FM8.0+TimeSavers 5.3) The problem will not be noticed when the PDFs are : -- accessed locally using Acrobat 8.x, but will be noticed when cross-file links are activated through a web browser (cross-file links in a PDF stored in an intranet/internet site) linking -- viewed in earlier Acrobat versions or some non-Adobe PDFs viewers Notice that in some cases, internal links are transformed to cross-file links, which reference the same file as a target. In such a case, links within the same file won't work when the PDF is viewed through a web browser. >As to your file lock/unlock issue... I don't see a problem here, and experience the same behavior in FM7.2 and FM8.0. In any case, the "locking" (view only) state has no implications on PDFs and links. Links should be tested in PDF, as links that work in FrameMaker may not work in Acrobat (and sometimes links that don't work in FrameMaker do work in Acrobat). Happy New Year! Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as cmarti...@zebra.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cmartinek%40zebra.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Bugs, or features, in FM8
Oran, You wrote: (to Austin Meredith, cc'd the list) >I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any >sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and >external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, >elements, paragraphs, etc. all of which are "hot" All of the links >seem to work as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As >PDF abd when I use the print & distill method. Since we are about to >upgrade a very large project involving thousands of unique manuals and >hundreds of thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your >workflow/setup is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. ... The cross-file linking issue is described at http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM8UnicodeCrossFileLinks (together with sample PDFs produced from the same source FM file, using FM7.2 and FM8.0, and FM8.0+TimeSavers 5.3) The problem will not be noticed when the PDFs are : -- accessed locally using Acrobat 8.x, but will be noticed when cross-file links are activated through a web browser (cross-file links in a PDF stored in an intranet/internet site) linking -- viewed in earlier Acrobat versions or some non-Adobe PDFs viewers Notice that in some cases, internal links are transformed to cross-file links, which reference the same file as a target. In such a case, links within the same file won't work when the PDF is viewed through a web browser. >As to your file lock/unlock issue... I don't see a problem here, and experience the same behavior in FM7.2 and FM8.0. In any case, the "locking" (view only) state has no implications on PDFs and links. Links should be tested in PDF, as links that work in FrameMaker may not work in Acrobat (and sometimes links that don't work in FrameMaker do work in Acrobat). Happy New Year! Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
Re: Bugs, or features, in FM8
Oran, You wrote: (to Austin Meredith, cc'd the list) >I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any >sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and >external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, >elements, paragraphs, etc. all of which are "hot" All of the links >seem to work as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As >PDF abd when I use the print & distill method. Since we are about to >upgrade a very large project involving thousands of unique manuals and >hundreds of thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your >workflow/setup is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. ... The cross-file linking issue is described at http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM8UnicodeCrossFileLinks (together with sample PDFs produced from the same source FM file, using FM7.2 and FM8.0, and FM8.0+TimeSavers 5.3) The problem will not be noticed when the PDFs are : -- accessed locally using Acrobat 8.x, but will be noticed when cross-file links are activated through a web browser (cross-file links in a PDF stored in an intranet/internet site) linking -- viewed in earlier Acrobat versions or some non-Adobe PDFs viewers Notice that in some cases, internal links are transformed to cross-file links, which reference the same file as a target. In such a case, links within the same file won't work when the PDF is viewed through a web browser. >As to your file lock/unlock issue... I don't see a problem here, and experience the same behavior in FM7.2 and FM8.0. In any case, the "locking" (view only) state has no implications on PDFs and links. Links should be tested in PDF, as links that work in FrameMaker may not work in Acrobat (and sometimes links that don't work in FrameMaker do work in Acrobat). Happy New Year! Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8
I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, elements, paragraphs, etc. all of which are "hot" All of the links seem to work as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As PDF abd when I use the print & distill method. Since we are about to upgrade a very large project involving thousands of unique manuals and hundreds of thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your workflow/setup is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. As to your file lock/unlock issue, FM8 has an icon on the Formatting Toolbar "Toggle View Only" that lets you switch with a mouse click. You no longer need "Esc F l k" (Not "Ctrl") unless you prefer the shortcut over the icon. If you wish to save it in view only mode, you do "Save As" Save as type: View Only. Your file will then be in view only mode when next opened. The Formatting toggle icon allow you to exit View Only for editing purposes as you wish. You are not really "locking" the file (even though Adobe uses this term in help and other places). The "lck" file that Frame creates for all opened files just informs others that the file is already open for editing if they attempt to also open it. Many confuse this "lck" with the View Only "locking". If you really like shortcuts, you can save your non View Only file as View Only with this sequence: Alt f a Tab v Tab Enter Tab Enter. (There will be a test on this later). Oran Petersen ============= From: Austin Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Bugs, or features, in FM8 Since our Kouroo project now has an effective workaround for the fact that the hypertext linkage between FM8 and PDF files has not yet been implemented (by way of first saving a FM8 file as a FM7 MIF file before distilling a PDF), the initial panic has subsided. It turns out that it's not a big deal and our project can wait patiently for Adobe to fix this. I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes "Ctrl F l k" to transit the files back and forth between a locked "use condition" to an unlocked "edit condition." However, in FM8, if you do a "Ctrl s" save before you do the "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w" to lock and close a file, your "Ctrl F l k" is wasted effort as the file simply doesn't stay locked. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Bugs, or features, in FM8
I have been using FM8 and Acrobat 8 for some months now without any sign of a hyperlink issue. I use cross-references, internal and external hyperlinks, TOC's, Indexes. I make lists of markers, elements, paragraphs, etc. all of which are "hot" All of the links seem to work as intended in PDF. They work both when I use the Save As PDF abd when I use the print & distill method. Since we are about to upgrade a very large project involving thousands of unique manuals and hundreds of thousands of pages monthly, I am curious as to what your workflow/setup is. If there is a flaw, I have not found it so far. As to your file lock/unlock issue, FM8 has an icon on the Formatting Toolbar "Toggle View Only" that lets you switch with a mouse click. You no longer need "Esc F l k" (Not "Ctrl") unless you prefer the shortcut over the icon. If you wish to save it in view only mode, you do "Save As" Save as type: View Only. Your file will then be in view only mode when next opened. The Formatting toggle icon allow you to exit View Only for editing purposes as you wish. You are not really "locking" the file (even though Adobe uses this term in help and other places). The "lck" file that Frame creates for all opened files just informs others that the file is already open for editing if they attempt to also open it. Many confuse this "lck" with the View Only "locking". If you really like shortcuts, you can save your non View Only file as View Only with this sequence: Alt f a Tab v Tab Enter Tab Enter. (There will be a test on this later). Oran Petersen = From: Austin Meredith Subject: Bugs, or features, in FM8 Since our Kouroo project now has an effective workaround for the fact that the hypertext linkage between FM8 and PDF files has not yet been implemented (by way of first saving a FM8 file as a FM7 MIF file before distilling a PDF), the initial panic has subsided. It turns out that it's not a big deal and our project can wait patiently for Adobe to fix this. I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes "Ctrl F l k" to transit the files back and forth between a locked "use condition" to an unlocked "edit condition." However, in FM8, if you do a "Ctrl s" save before you do the "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w" to lock and close a file, your "Ctrl F l k" is wasted effort as the file simply doesn't stay locked.
Bugs, or features, in FM8
Isn't the key combination to lock / unlock a file ESC F l k instead of CTRL F l k, or has this changed in FM8 (which I don't have)? On Friday, December 28, 2007 07:06 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: ... | I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit | of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes | "Ctrl F l k" to transit the files back and forth between a locked | "use condition" to an unlocked "edit condition." However, in FM8, | if you do a "Ctrl s" save before you do the "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w" to | lock and close a file, your "Ctrl F l k" is wasted effort as the | file simply doesn't stay locked. ... - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com ---
RE: Bugs, or features, in FM8
Isn't the key combination to lock / unlock a file ESC F l k instead of CTRL F l k, or has this changed in FM8 (which I don't have)? On Friday, December 28, 2007 07:06 AM, Austin Meredith wrote: ... | I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit | of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes | "Ctrl F l k" to transit the files back and forth between a locked | "use condition" to an unlocked "edit condition." However, in FM8, | if you do a "Ctrl s" save before you do the "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w" to | lock and close a file, your "Ctrl F l k" is wasted effort as the | file simply doesn't stay locked. ... - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Bugs, or features, in FM8
Since our Kouroo project now has an effective workaround for the fact that the hypertext linkage between FM8 and PDF files has not yet been implemented (by way of first saving a FM8 file as a FM7 MIF file before distilling a PDF), the initial panic has subsided. It turns out that it's not a big deal and our project can wait patiently for Adobe to fix this. I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes "Ctrl F l k" to transit the files back and forth between a locked "use condition" to an unlocked "edit condition." However, in FM8, if you do a "Ctrl s" save before you do the "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w" to lock and close a file, your "Ctrl F l k" is wasted effort as the file simply doesn't stay locked. (If you can remember *not* to do a "Ctrl s" before doing your "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w," then locking still works in FM8.) So, is this a bug, or a feature, of FM8? In the old days, there was a free thingie called "Frame Reader" or something like that, that your users could use to access your work product. It was a full version of FM free for download, but it was save-disabled. Later on, when you printed from this, it came to be that each printed page would bear a gray diagonal "trial copy" marker. This reader product became harder and harder to find on the Adobe website, and eventually disappeared. More recently, when a user downloads and installs a save-disabled trial version of FM, this trial version is good for only a month. Meanwhile, Adobe has been developing Acrobat and replacing Frame Reader as a way to deliver our content to our customer -- and has gradually been removing more and more of the limitations of Acrobat. Back in the days of this "Frame Reader," there was a purpose to the locking/unlocking feature of FM. Now, however, with this bug (or feature) in FM8, I'm not even bothering to lock and unlock the files anymore! I'm simply telling my users, "For hypertext in an Acrobat document, you can just click on a button, but for hypertext in a FrameMaker document, you'll need to remember to hold down the control key while you click on it." Can anyone think of a reason why we need to file a bug report on this? Can we now just let go of the lock/unlock thingie -- consider it as a piece of our evolutionary history?
Bugs, or features, in FM8
Since our Kouroo project now has an effective workaround for the fact that the hypertext linkage between FM8 and PDF files has not yet been implemented (by way of first saving a FM8 file as a FM7 MIF file before distilling a PDF), the initial panic has subsided. It turns out that it's not a big deal and our project can wait patiently for Adobe to fix this. I've noticed something else, however. I've always been in the habit of using the locking/unlocking feature of FM, using the keystrokes "Ctrl F l k" to transit the files back and forth between a locked "use condition" to an unlocked "edit condition." However, in FM8, if you do a "Ctrl s" save before you do the "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w" to lock and close a file, your "Ctrl F l k" is wasted effort as the file simply doesn't stay locked. (If you can remember *not* to do a "Ctrl s" before doing your "Ctrl F l k Ctrl w," then locking still works in FM8.) So, is this a bug, or a feature, of FM8? In the old days, there was a free thingie called "Frame Reader" or something like that, that your users could use to access your work product. It was a full version of FM free for download, but it was save-disabled. Later on, when you printed from this, it came to be that each printed page would bear a gray diagonal "trial copy" marker. This reader product became harder and harder to find on the Adobe website, and eventually disappeared. More recently, when a user downloads and installs a save-disabled trial version of FM, this trial version is good for only a month. Meanwhile, Adobe has been developing Acrobat and replacing Frame Reader as a way to deliver our content to our customer -- and has gradually been removing more and more of the limitations of Acrobat. Back in the days of this "Frame Reader," there was a purpose to the locking/unlocking feature of FM. Now, however, with this bug (or feature) in FM8, I'm not even bothering to lock and unlock the files anymore! I'm simply telling my users, "For hypertext in an Acrobat document, you can just click on a button, but for hypertext in a FrameMaker document, you'll need to remember to hold down the control key while you click on it." Can anyone think of a reason why we need to file a bug report on this? Can we now just let go of the lock/unlock thingie -- consider it as a piece of our evolutionary history? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
