Re: Colour question
Also note that CMYK can very seldom match Pantone or vice versa -- or whatever other color scheme that is based on pigments added to some base ink. So if you want an exact Pantone color, make that ready in some spot color and tell your printshop what exact Pantone (or whatever else scheme that the printshop has their ink in and you have agreed to use) number to use. The printshops' approach is to either get a prefabricated [Pantone] color ink or make a blend from some basic color inks according to a Pantone color scheme. There can also be other things to consider that may affect the final color, mainly the paper of material to be printed on, its own color (not all whites are like), etc. For a final near perfect solution, try to find the best printers/printshops and talk things out BEFORE you prepare any final output. Otherwise you may end up with a lot of extra work. Just my experience having worked at both sides. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson. On 6/10/06, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lester is right! And also be aware that NO, repeat NO, repeat yet again NO Windows driver, whether PostScript or otherwise, can accept CMYK from applications, except for EPS passthrough with the PostScript driver, since the Windows imaging model is totally RGB. Drivers can output CMYK (as the PostScript driver does), but since the input to the driver is GDI and GDI is totally RGB, in general, an application program cannot communicate CMYK directly to a print driver. This includes FrameMaker, with the exception of EPS passthrough. - Dov -Original Message- From: lists.frameusers.com On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Colour question As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific real or generic device. This should show up in your system (Windows) as the Adobe PDF or Acrobat Distiller (if you have an older version of Acrobat) printer. While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's default color space. On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: SNIP | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, | so again, you are left with an approximation. - Lester ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Colour question
Also note that CMYK can very seldom match Pantone or vice versa -- or whatever other color scheme that is based on pigments added to some base ink. So if you want an exact Pantone color, make that ready in some spot color and tell your printshop what exact Pantone (or whatever else scheme that the printshop has their ink in and you have agreed to use) number to use. The printshops' approach is to either get a prefabricated [Pantone] color ink or make a blend from some basic color inks according to a Pantone color scheme. There can also be other things to consider that may affect the final color, mainly the paper of material to be printed on, its own color (not all whites are like), etc. For a final near perfect solution, try to find the best printers/printshops and talk things out BEFORE you prepare any final output. Otherwise you may end up with a lot of extra work. Just my experience having worked at both sides. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson. On 6/10/06, Dov Isaacs wrote: > Lester is right! And also be aware that NO, repeat NO, > repeat yet again NO Windows driver, whether PostScript > or otherwise, can accept CMYK from applications, except > for EPS passthrough with the PostScript driver, since > the Windows imaging model is totally RGB. Drivers can > output CMYK (as the PostScript driver does), but since > the input to the driver is GDI and GDI is totally RGB, > in general, an application program cannot communicate > CMYK directly to a print driver. This includes FrameMaker, > with the exception of EPS passthrough. > > - Dov > > > -Original Message- > > From: lists.frameusers.com On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:55 PM > > Subject: RE: Colour question > > > > As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if > > you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat > > Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific > > real or generic device. > > This should show up in your system (Windows) as the "Adobe > > PDF" or "Acrobat Distiller" (if you have an older version of > > Acrobat) printer. > > > > While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the > > strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be > > compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems > > which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune > > times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. > > > > And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows > > use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is > > what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's > > default color space. > > > > On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: > > > > < SNIP > > > > > | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific > color > > | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as > well, > > | so again, you are left with an approximation. > > > > - Lester > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Colour question
I'm trying to create some colours for a FrameMaker template which correspond to our corporate style guide and I'm finding it rather difficult. One of our corporate colours is Pantone 2627 which is a dark violet. When I select Pantone 2627 in the Colour Definitions dialog box, it does indeed look violet on the screen, but the CMYK values for Pantone 2627 (83C, 100M, 0Y, 23K) correspond to a blue -- and this is the colour I get when I generate a PDF or print to a colour printer. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for any help. Edwin Tudsbery CPA Software Solutions The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee; access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient: (1) you are kindly requested to return a copy of this message to the sender indicating that you have received it in error, and to destroy the received copy; and (2) any disclosure or distribution of this message, as well as any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on its content, is prohibited and may be unlawful. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Colour question
Dear Edwin, Pantone and CMYK are two completely different color (colour) schemes. A printing press operator can either buy ink in a specific Pantone color or mix the ink from an exact recipe of colors and proportions. People use Pantone color when they need an exact color. Pantone colors are designed for offset printing. CMYK, which stands for Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and blacK (or Key), also known as four-color process, is a system of printing rosettes (overlaid dot patterns) in these four specific inks. People use CMYK for photographs or when an approximate color is acceptable. In your case, it sounds like the problem is the fact that you are outputting to a color laser printer. Laser printers use CMYK toners, so the color is only approximate. You did it right, the printer did the best it could. When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, so again, you are left with an approximation. If you are printing something that requires exact color, such as Pantone 2627, the best approach--assuming there are funds available to pay for it--is to have the project printed on an offset press. If you choose offset printing, be sure to check with your printing company as to how you should prepare your files for color separation, that is, which elements print in black, which print in Pantone 2627, and so on. If you don't have the money for an offset print job, you could experiment by specifying different Pantone colors, to find one that prints closely enough on your laser printer or PDF. If you can, borrow a Pantone color bridge booklet, which shows each Pantone color beside a CMYK approximation. Visit the Pantone website at http://www.pantone.com and look around. Bear in mind that Pantone system was designed for ink but laser printers use toner, so the actual results will vary somewhat. Best wishes! Daniel Doornbos Technical Writer Promise Technology, Inc. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in or attached to this email message is either proprietary and/or confidential information, or information intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email and delete the original message from your computer/server with confirmation to us that you have done so. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:40 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: Colour question I'm trying to create some colours for a FrameMaker template which correspond to our corporate style guide and I'm finding it rather difficult. One of our corporate colours is Pantone 2627 which is a dark violet. When I select Pantone 2627 in the Colour Definitions dialog box, it does indeed look violet on the screen, but the CMYK values for Pantone 2627 (83C, 100M, 0Y, 23K) correspond to a blue -- and this is the colour I get when I generate a PDF or print to a colour printer. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for any help. Edwin Tudsbery CPA Software Solutions The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee; access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient: (1) you are kindly requested to return a copy of this message to the sender indicating that you have received it in error, and to destroy the received copy; and (2) any disclosure or distribution of this message, as well as any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on its content, is prohibited and may be unlawful. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield%40promise.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Colour question
As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific real or generic device. This should show up in your system (Windows) as the Adobe PDF or Acrobat Distiller (if you have an older version of Acrobat) printer. While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's default color space. On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: SNIP | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, | so again, you are left with an approximation. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Colour question
Dear Lester, When you send a PDF file to an outside firm for printing, such as I suggested for Edwin's project, your choice of printer driver can make a big difference in output quality. The Adobe PDF driver is good when your PDF is the final deliverable in the project, meaning it will be read online or the user prints it. But if your PDF is the means of transmitting your work for film or a high-end digital printing press, the Adobe PDF driver may not give the best results. I learned that lesson through hard experience. That is why I urged Edwin to talk with his printing company before outputting his files. They will know the best way to prepare his files for their process. Printer drivers do not use CMYK color. The driver is required by the Windows OS in order to have a target to which you can print. The printer, whether inkjet or laser, is the device that applies the CMYK color. CMYK is a subtractive color model, based on color as reflected from a surface, such as a printed page. RGB is an additive color model, based on color coming from a light source, such as your computer screen. RGB graphics are designed for display on computer screens and projectors. That is the reason the Windows GDI uses RGB. If you send RGB graphics to the printer, the printer (or, in the case of inkjets, the software) must interpret and convert the data to CMYK, because those are the colors the printer can put onto the paper. In most cases, the members of this forum probably are not involved with offset or digital printing of their projects. As somebody who has worked in that area, I will share my experience and let the readers decide for themselves. Daniel Doornbos Technical Writer Promise Technology, Inc. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in or attached to this email message is either proprietary and/or confidential information, or information intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email and delete the original message from your computer/server with confirmation to us that you have done so. Thank you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:55 PM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: Colour question As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific real or generic device. This should show up in your system (Windows) as the Adobe PDF or Acrobat Distiller (if you have an older version of Acrobat) printer. While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's default color space. On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: SNIP | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, | so again, you are left with an approximation. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield%40promise.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Colour question
Lester is right! And also be aware that NO, repeat NO, repeat yet again NO Windows driver, whether PostScript or otherwise, can accept CMYK from applications, except for EPS passthrough with the PostScript driver, since the Windows imaging model is totally RGB. Drivers can output CMYK (as the PostScript driver does), but since the input to the driver is GDI and GDI is totally RGB, in general, an application program cannot communicate CMYK directly to a print driver. This includes FrameMaker, with the exception of EPS passthrough. - Dov -Original Message- From: lists.frameusers.com On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: RE: Colour question As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific real or generic device. This should show up in your system (Windows) as the Adobe PDF or Acrobat Distiller (if you have an older version of Acrobat) printer. While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's default color space. On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: SNIP | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, | so again, you are left with an approximation. - Lester ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Colour question
I'm trying to create some colours for a FrameMaker template which correspond to our corporate style guide and I'm finding it rather difficult. One of our corporate colours is "Pantone 2627" which is a dark violet. When I select Pantone 2627 in the Colour Definitions dialog box, it does indeed look violet on the screen, but the CMYK values for Pantone 2627 (83C, 100M, 0Y, 23K) correspond to a blue -- and this is the colour I get when I generate a PDF or print to a colour printer. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for any help. Edwin Tudsbery CPA Software Solutions The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee; access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient: (1) you are kindly requested to return a copy of this message to the sender indicating that you have received it in error, and to destroy the received copy; and (2) any disclosure or distribution of this message, as well as any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on its content, is prohibited and may be unlawful.
Colour question
Dear Edwin, Pantone and CMYK are two completely different color (colour) schemes. A printing press operator can either buy ink in a specific Pantone color or mix the ink from an exact recipe of colors and proportions. People use Pantone color when they need an exact color. Pantone colors are designed for offset printing. CMYK, which stands for Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and blacK (or Key), also known as "four-color process," is a system of printing rosettes (overlaid dot patterns) in these four specific inks. People use CMYK for photographs or when an approximate color is acceptable. In your case, it sounds like the problem is the fact that you are outputting to a color laser printer. Laser printers use CMYK toners, so the color is only approximate. You did it right, the printer did the best it could. When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, so again, you are left with an approximation. If you are printing something that requires exact color, such as Pantone 2627, the best approach--assuming there are funds available to pay for it--is to have the project printed on an offset press. If you choose offset printing, be sure to check with your printing company as to how you should prepare your files for color separation, that is, which elements print in black, which print in Pantone 2627, and so on. If you don't have the money for an offset print job, you could experiment by specifying different Pantone colors, to find one that prints closely enough on your laser printer or PDF. If you can, borrow a Pantone "color bridge" booklet, which shows each Pantone color beside a CMYK approximation. Visit the Pantone website at http://www.pantone.com and look around. Bear in mind that Pantone system was designed for ink but laser printers use toner, so the actual results will vary somewhat. Best wishes! Daniel Doornbos Technical Writer Promise Technology, Inc. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in or attached to this email message is either proprietary and/or confidential information, or information intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email and delete the original message from your computer/server with confirmation to us that you have done so. Thank you. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+danield=promise@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+danield=promise.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of ETudsbery at cpaglobal.com Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:40 AM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Colour question I'm trying to create some colours for a FrameMaker template which correspond to our corporate style guide and I'm finding it rather difficult. One of our corporate colours is "Pantone 2627" which is a dark violet. When I select Pantone 2627 in the Colour Definitions dialog box, it does indeed look violet on the screen, but the CMYK values for Pantone 2627 (83C, 100M, 0Y, 23K) correspond to a blue -- and this is the colour I get when I generate a PDF or print to a colour printer. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Thanks for any help. Edwin Tudsbery CPA Software Solutions The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee; access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient: (1) you are kindly requested to return a copy of this message to the sender indicating that you have received it in error, and to destroy the received copy; and (2) any disclosure or distribution of this message, as well as any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on its content, is prohibited and may be unlawful. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as danield at promise.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield%40promise.co m Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Colour question
As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific real or generic device. This should show up in your system (Windows) as the "Adobe PDF" or "Acrobat Distiller" (if you have an older version of Acrobat) printer. While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's default color space. On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: < SNIP > | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, | so again, you are left with an approximation. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com ---
Colour question
Dear Lester, When you send a PDF file to an outside firm for printing, such as I suggested for Edwin's project, your choice of printer driver can make a big difference in output quality. The Adobe PDF driver is good when your PDF is the final deliverable in the project, meaning it will be read online or the user prints it. But if your PDF is the means of transmitting your work for film or a high-end digital printing press, the Adobe PDF driver may not give the best results. I learned that lesson through hard experience. That is why I urged Edwin to talk with his printing company before outputting his files. They will know the best way to prepare his files for their process. Printer drivers do not use CMYK color. The driver is required by the Windows OS in order to have a target to which you can print. The printer, whether inkjet or laser, is the device that applies the CMYK color. CMYK is a subtractive color model, based on color as reflected from a surface, such as a printed page. RGB is an additive color model, based on color coming from a light source, such as your computer screen. RGB graphics are designed for display on computer screens and projectors. That is the reason the Windows GDI uses RGB. If you send RGB graphics to the printer, the printer (or, in the case of inkjets, the software) must interpret and convert the data to CMYK, because those are the colors the printer can put onto the paper. In most cases, the members of this forum probably are not involved with offset or digital printing of their projects. As somebody who has worked in that area, I will share my experience and let the readers decide for themselves. Daniel Doornbos Technical Writer Promise Technology, Inc. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in or attached to this email message is either proprietary and/or confidential information, or information intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by email and delete the original message from your computer/server with confirmation to us that you have done so. Thank you. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+danield=promise@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+danield=promise.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:55 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Colour question As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific real or generic device. This should show up in your system (Windows) as the "Adobe PDF" or "Acrobat Distiller" (if you have an older version of Acrobat) printer. While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's default color space. On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: < SNIP > | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, | so again, you are left with an approximation. - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as danield at promise.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/danield%40promise.co m Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Colour question
Lester is right! And also be aware that NO, repeat NO, repeat yet again NO Windows driver, whether PostScript or otherwise, can accept CMYK from applications, except for EPS passthrough with the PostScript driver, since the Windows imaging model is totally RGB. Drivers can output CMYK (as the PostScript driver does), but since the input to the driver is GDI and GDI is totally RGB, in general, an application program cannot communicate CMYK directly to a print driver. This includes FrameMaker, with the exception of EPS passthrough. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: lists.frameusers.com On Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:55 PM > Subject: RE: Colour question > > As has been repeated in this forum, time and time again, if > you are 'printing' to PDF you should be using the Acrobat > Distiller print driver, and not the drivers for any specific > real or generic device. > This should show up in your system (Windows) as the "Adobe > PDF" or "Acrobat Distiller" (if you have an older version of > Acrobat) printer. > > While you may not have any immediate problems, there is the > strong possibility that the resulting PDF will not be > compatible for all devices, or suffer from other problems > which will rear their ugly heads at the most inopportune > times such as 15 minutes before a critical deadline. > > And I am not convinced that the printer drivers in Windows > use CMYK - they may, but they may also just use RGB which is > what the Windows GDI (Graphic Device Interface) uses as it's > default color space. > > On Friday, June 09, 2006 03:09 PM, Daniel Doornbos wrote: > > < SNIP > > > | When you print to PDF, you use a printer driver, either a specific color > | laser printer or a generic driver. These drivers use CMYK color as well, > | so again, you are left with an approximation. > > - Lester >
