RE: Deeply weird font kerning issue
At 12:07 +0930 1/5/08, Daniel Frankham wrote: We've experienced something similar (using Structured FrameMaker 7.0p578 for Windows, and Acrobat 6) -- but only in text, not diagrams. We use FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7 now, and we haven't experienced the problem with those -- but then we haven't created any really large PDFs with it yet. This affected all our large books to an extent (by large I mean between 600 and 2000 pages), but for some reason the 600 page book was the worst. This book was originally created by another company, so we don't know its full history. It was used as a template for our other books, so it's possible they inherited their problems from it. Did you ever find out what was causing it? In my case the book was about 600 pp, but afaik no FrameMaker-hosted text was affected, only that in imported .eps files. And only one instance that I know of. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Deeply weird font kerning issue
At 12:07 +0930 1/5/08, Daniel Frankham wrote: >We've experienced something similar (using Structured FrameMaker 7.0p578 >for Windows, and Acrobat 6) -- but only in text, not diagrams. We use >FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7 now, and we haven't experienced the problem >with those -- but then we haven't created any really large PDFs with it >yet. > >This affected all our large books to an extent (by large I mean between >600 and 2000 pages), but for some reason the 600 page book was the >worst. This book was originally created by another company, so we don't >know its full history. It was used as a template for our other books, so >it's possible they inherited their problems from it. Did you ever find out what was causing it? In my case the book was about 600 pp, but afaik no FrameMaker-hosted text was affected, only that in imported .eps files. And only one instance that I know of. -- Steve
RE: Deeply weird font kerning issue
We've experienced something similar (using Structured FrameMaker 7.0p578 for Windows, and Acrobat 6) -- but only in text, not diagrams. We use FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7 now, and we haven't experienced the problem with those -- but then we haven't created any really large PDFs with it yet. The problem as we experienced it was like this: a PDF generated from a large FrameMaker book would *sometimes* contain garbled text. Some letters would be run together, so for example all the letters in a word would be on top of each other; other text in the same line would be very spread out. This effect would usually be seen in lines containing in-line headings, punctuation marks (especially smart quotes), or non-keyboard characters (the degree symbol and Greek letters were common offendors). The affected PDFs would print exactly as they appeared on screen. If you closed the PDF and re-opened it, it would look fine. But if you left it open for a while, the garbling would often return sooner or later. The effect would often appear in the most badly affected book while the PDF was being printed, so checking the PDF before you started printing wasn't enough to avoid junk printouts. This affected all our large books to an extent (by large I mean between 600 and 2000 pages), but for some reason the 600 page book was the worst. This book was originally created by another company, so we don't know its full history. It was used as a template for our other books, so it's possible they inherited their problems from it. -- Daniel Frankham -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2008 1:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Deeply weird font kerning issue FrameMaker 7 for Mac, Illustrator CS2, OS X 10.4.11. I appreciate that this is not specifically a FrameMaker issue, although FrameMaker is involved. It relates to a truly strange last-minute 'gotcha' on a production run for a book. The book contained diagrams that were created in Illustrator, saved as EPS files, imported into FrameMaker and a .ps and press-quality PDF created from that via Distiller. The diagrams used Frutiger Roman and Monospace 821 for text. On checking the pre-press proofs, the production editor spotted some text 'corruption', in that some legends in one diagram in a test print from the final PDF had very uneven kerning, even to the point of overlaying characters. The 'corrupted' legends were words bracketed on either side by guillemets, the double diagonal brackets that I believe the French use as quote marks (they mean something special in UML notation, which was why they were in the diagram). I went back to the original diagrams, which looked fine. Ok, I thought, invisible 'corruption': I can fix this by replacing the problem text string. So I did, then reimported, re-cut the PDF and test printed it. And the 'corruption' had moved to the next instance below of a word enclosed by guillements. Right, I thought, I'll replace that and all will be well. You can probably guess what happened next... the 'corruption' moved again. There were four strings set in Frutiger and enclosed in guillemets in the diagram. When I got to the last one and replaced that, I though all would be well, but what actually happened was that the 'corruption' moved back to the first text instance. At this point I started to feel a little like Mickey Mouse in the 'Sorcerer's Apprentice' sequence in Disney's 'Fantasia'. To cut a long story short, I figured that the problem, whatever it was, was related in some to the number of guillemet pairs in the diagram. My fix was therefore to make one of the rectangular objects in the diagram solid white fill, duplicate the last guillemet-braced legend on the screen, and *hide it* behind the solid white block. It worked. But why? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/daniel.fra nkham%40saabsystems.com.au Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Deeply weird font kerning issue
We've experienced something similar (using Structured FrameMaker 7.0p578 for Windows, and Acrobat 6) -- but only in text, not diagrams. We use FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat 7 now, and we haven't experienced the problem with those -- but then we haven't created any really large PDFs with it yet. The problem as we experienced it was like this: a PDF generated from a large FrameMaker book would *sometimes* contain garbled text. Some letters would be run together, so for example all the letters in a word would be on top of each other; other text in the same line would be very spread out. This effect would usually be seen in lines containing in-line headings, punctuation marks (especially smart quotes), or non-keyboard characters (the degree symbol and Greek letters were common offendors). The affected PDFs would print exactly as they appeared on screen. If you closed the PDF and re-opened it, it would look fine. But if you left it open for a while, the garbling would often return sooner or later. The effect would often appear in the most badly affected book while the PDF was being printed, so checking the PDF before you started printing wasn't enough to avoid junk printouts. This affected all our large books to an extent (by large I mean between 600 and 2000 pages), but for some reason the 600 page book was the worst. This book was originally created by another company, so we don't know its full history. It was used as a template for our other books, so it's possible they inherited their problems from it. -- Daniel Frankham > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Steve Rickaby > Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2008 1:26 AM > To: framers at FrameUsers.com > Subject: Deeply weird font kerning issue > > FrameMaker 7 for Mac, Illustrator CS2, OS X 10.4.11. > > I appreciate that this is not specifically a FrameMaker > issue, although FrameMaker is involved. It relates to a truly > strange last-minute 'gotcha' on a production run for a book. > > The book contained diagrams that were created in Illustrator, > saved as EPS files, imported into FrameMaker and a .ps and > press-quality PDF created from that via Distiller. The > diagrams used Frutiger Roman and Monospace 821 for text. > > On checking the pre-press proofs, the production editor > spotted some text 'corruption', in that some legends in one > diagram in a test print from the final PDF had very uneven > kerning, even to the point of overlaying characters. The > 'corrupted' legends were words bracketed on either side by > guillemets, the double diagonal brackets that I believe the > French use as quote marks (they mean something special in UML > notation, which was why they were in the diagram). > > I went back to the original diagrams, which looked fine. Ok, > I thought, invisible 'corruption': I can fix this by > replacing the problem text string. So I did, then reimported, > re-cut the PDF and test printed it. And the 'corruption' had > moved to the next instance below of a word enclosed by guillements. > > Right, I thought, I'll replace that and all will be well. You > can probably guess what happened next... the 'corruption' moved again. > > There were four strings set in Frutiger and enclosed in > guillemets in the diagram. When I got to the last one and > replaced that, I though all would be well, but what actually > happened was that the 'corruption' moved back to the first > text instance. > > At this point I started to feel a little like Mickey Mouse in > the 'Sorcerer's Apprentice' sequence in Disney's 'Fantasia'. > > To cut a long story short, I figured that the problem, > whatever it was, was related in some to the number of > guillemet pairs in the diagram. My fix was therefore to make > one of the rectangular objects in the diagram solid white > fill, duplicate the last guillemet-braced legend on the > screen, and *hide it* behind the solid white block. > > It worked. But why? > > -- > Steve > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as > daniel.frankham at saabsystems.com.au. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/daniel.fra > nkham%40saabsystems.com.au > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Deeply weird font kerning issue
FrameMaker 7 for Mac, Illustrator CS2, OS X 10.4.11. I appreciate that this is not specifically a FrameMaker issue, although FrameMaker is involved. It relates to a truly strange last-minute 'gotcha' on a production run for a book. The book contained diagrams that were created in Illustrator, saved as EPS files, imported into FrameMaker and a .ps and press-quality PDF created from that via Distiller. The diagrams used Frutiger Roman and Monospace 821 for text. On checking the pre-press proofs, the production editor spotted some text 'corruption', in that some legends in one diagram in a test print from the final PDF had very uneven kerning, even to the point of overlaying characters. The 'corrupted' legends were words bracketed on either side by guillemets, the double diagonal brackets that I believe the French use as quote marks (they mean something special in UML notation, which was why they were in the diagram). I went back to the original diagrams, which looked fine. Ok, I thought, invisible 'corruption': I can fix this by replacing the problem text string. So I did, then reimported, re-cut the PDF and test printed it. And the 'corruption' had moved to the next instance below of a word enclosed by guillements. Right, I thought, I'll replace that and all will be well. You can probably guess what happened next... the 'corruption' moved again. There were four strings set in Frutiger and enclosed in guillemets in the diagram. When I got to the last one and replaced that, I though all would be well, but what actually happened was that the 'corruption' moved back to the first text instance. At this point I started to feel a little like Mickey Mouse in the 'Sorcerer's Apprentice' sequence in Disney's 'Fantasia'. To cut a long story short, I figured that the problem, whatever it was, was related in some to the number of guillemet pairs in the diagram. My fix was therefore to make one of the rectangular objects in the diagram solid white fill, duplicate the last guillemet-braced legend on the screen, and *hide it* behind the solid white block. It worked. But why? -- Steve
