RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

2007-08-09 Thread Gordon McLean
The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

2007-08-09 Thread Fred Ridder

You're probably thinking of FrameLink, which was, in fact, discontinued
by its publisher (Datalogics) in early 2005. It was a great product for
unstructured FrameMaker, but they never really addressed the XML
capabilities of FM7.x and the introduction of multiple undo in FM7.2
broke the interface altogether.

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From: Gordon McLean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production 
(and

can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  documentum
for dummies book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope





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RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

2007-08-09 Thread O'Laoghaire Micheal
Courtney,
We used Documentum for a number of years at two previous incarnations of
my company. 

As a matter of fact, when we were looking at Content Management Systems
(back in 2000), the Documentation Department was one of the majot
internal customers and ability to handle Frame docs and books
intelligently was an absolutely nrcessity. That filter also helped to
reduce the number of CMS candidates voery considerably. We eventually
chose Documentum for its many robust features but also because of its
Framelink integration. FrameLink was a plugin for Frame, made by
DataLogics, a third-party software company in Chicago (which started
life as a FrameMaker subsidiary). FrameLink mostly worked very well, but
because it tried to such a perfect emulation on both side of its
interface, it occasionally tripped over itself. Eventually, though, it
became very solid.

However, about two years ago (at about the time Documentum went through
a very major upgrade), DataLogic quietly decided to discontinue support
for FrameLink. Apparently, the decision was made easier for them when
they contemplated the extensive development they would have to put into
the product to have it be compatible with the new incarnation of
Documentum. There were subsequent talks with Adobe and Documentum re
taking it over (I talked to people in both companies, including R.J.
Jacques at Documentum), but as far as I know, they never went anywhere. 

That discontinuance alone was enough to force our documentation people
off Documentum. Since then, we have been uncomfortably living with
having our docs on plain old file servers.  In the meantime, other CMS
companies have come along, with systems geared especially for doc depts.
Several of them have (Structured) Frame/XML interfaces. One of them,
SiberLogic, has expressed strong interest in expanding the capability of
its Frame plugin to also handle unstructured Frame docs. They say that
most of the underlying code is already in place and it would be a prerry
straightforward effort. If/when we get the money and the go ahead, we
will probably acquire one of those XML-based documentation systems. 

I hope that this helps.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
KBS Documentation
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.


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The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an
end user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was
an add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in
production (and can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another
software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a
documentum for dummies book that they can recommend?
   
  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope

  




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Documentum and FrameMaker advice

2007-08-09 Thread Gordon McLean
The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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com] On Behalf Of Courtney Collins
Sent: 08 August 2007 18:27
To: frame users group
Subject: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  "documentum
for dummies" book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope





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Documentum and FrameMaker advice

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Poston
Hi,

If you are refering to FrameLink from Datalogics, my understanding is that
this no longer exists.

It's been a few years since I looked at FrameMaker and DCTM but I believe
there used to be an ODMA client supplied with FrameMaker that could be
installed to provide basic integration with DCTM. I can't remember seeing it
after FrameMaker 6 though.

FrameLink was very good because it supported references and links between
documents/images and supported FM books too. It's just a shame it no longer
is available :(

This probably won't help you much now but gives a little more detail about
what used to be available :)

Regards

Mark Poston
Mekon Ltd.

On 9/8/07 09:18, "Gordon McLean"  wrote:

> The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
> user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
> document management.
> 
> Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
> add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
> can't recall the name at the moment either).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
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> Subject: Documentum and FrameMaker advice
> 
> My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software
> program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
> acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  "documentum
> for dummies" book that they can recommend?
>
>   Thank you
>   Courtney Collins
>   Datascope
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Documentum and FrameMaker advice

2007-08-09 Thread O'Laoghaire Micheal
Courtney,
We used Documentum for a number of years at two previous incarnations of
my company. 

As a matter of fact, when we were looking at Content Management Systems
(back in 2000), the Documentation Department was one of the majot
internal customers and ability to handle Frame docs and books
intelligently was an absolutely nrcessity. That filter also helped to
reduce the number of CMS candidates voery considerably. We eventually
chose Documentum for its many robust features but also because of its
Framelink integration. FrameLink was a plugin for Frame, made by
DataLogics, a third-party software company in Chicago (which started
life as a FrameMaker subsidiary). FrameLink mostly worked very well, but
because it tried to such a perfect emulation on both side of its
interface, it occasionally tripped over itself. Eventually, though, it
became very solid.

However, about two years ago (at about the time Documentum went through
a very major upgrade), DataLogic quietly decided to discontinue support
for FrameLink. Apparently, the decision was made easier for them when
they contemplated the extensive development they would have to put into
the product to have it be compatible with the new incarnation of
Documentum. There were subsequent talks with Adobe and Documentum re
taking it over (I talked to people in both companies, including R.J.
Jacques at Documentum), but as far as I know, they never went anywhere. 

That discontinuance alone was enough to force our documentation people
off Documentum. Since then, we have been uncomfortably living with
having our docs on plain old file servers.  In the meantime, other CMS
companies have come along, with systems geared especially for doc depts.
Several of them have (Structured) Frame/XML interfaces. One of them,
SiberLogic, has expressed strong interest in expanding the capability of
its Frame plugin to also handle unstructured Frame docs. They say that
most of the underlying code is already in place and it would be a prerry
straightforward effort. If/when we get the money and the go ahead, we
will probably acquire one of those XML-based documentation systems. 

I hope that this helps.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
KBS Documentation
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.


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.com] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:18 AM
To: 'frame users group'
Subject: RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an
end user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was
an add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in
production (and can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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Sent: 08 August 2007 18:27
To: frame users group
Subject: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another
software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a
"documentum for dummies" book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope






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2007-08-08 Thread Courtney Collins
My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software 
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get 
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  documentum for 
dummies book that they can recommend?
   
  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope

   
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Documentum and FrameMaker advice

2007-08-08 Thread Courtney Collins
My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software 
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get 
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  "documentum for 
dummies" book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
  Courtney Collins
  Datascope


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