Re: Don't forget Blaze [was Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite]
Hedley, What percentage of the FrameMaker audience do you think is waiting for such a »feature«? What company will care to implement that as a standard function of their software? Sorry, I cannot resist to tell you, that *if* you can come up with an algorithm for that »problem« of yours, it can be solved today using API programming or scripting. FrameMaker allows overrides to the size and position of text frames on every single page and you can therefore control how many lines appear. - Michael Müller-Hillebrand Am 27.09.2007 um 01:14 schrieb Hedley Finger: Here's another feature: Another feature that should be implemented is automatic adjustment of page depth. Commercial publishers are always keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth. So even where a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home. When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending line forward or pull it back. This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page should never be immediately followed by a deeper page. Believe me, no reader ever notices! And you can avoid the problem of the last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line has been pushed over. -- ___ Michael Müller-Hillebrand: Dokumentations-Technologien Adobe Certified Expert, FrameMaker Lösungen und Training, FrameScript, XML/XSL, Unicode http://cap-studio.de/ -- Tel. +49 (9131) 28747 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Don't forget Blaze [was "Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite"]
Eric: At Wednesday, 26/09/2007, 11:20 PM;, you wrote: On 9/25/07, Hedley Finger <[1] hfinger at handholding.com.au> wrote: Well, it will be if we ALL start screaming for So, everyone get on it: [2]http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html How about someone re-write all those wishes into a format that will cut and paste into the Adobe form? Geez, I have been harping on about all this stuff for years, on lists, to Dov, on Adobe surveys and what all. So can I be excused from going to the less than friendly Adobe page to type them all in yet AGAIN? Now that Madcap is trumpeting Blaze as the (eventual) FrameMaker killer, I bet there is someone at Adobe paid to monitor these lists full-time. Here's another feature: Another feature that should be implemented is automatic adjustment of page depth. Commercial publishers are always keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth. So even where a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home. When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending line forward or pull it back. This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page should never be immediately followed by a deeper page. Believe me, no reader ever notices! And you can avoid the problem of the last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line has been pushed over. By the way, whenever writing to any Adobe person or submitting suggestions to the Adobe page at <[3] http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html>, don't forget to copy Sharon Burton Product Manager, Blaze Madcap Software sburton at madcapsoftware.com Voice: 858-320-0387 x217 Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Stewart Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Mobile +61 412 461 558, E-mail <[4] mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au> References 1. mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au 2. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html 3. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html 4. mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au
Don't forget Blaze [was "Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite"]
Hedley, What percentage of the FrameMaker audience do you think is waiting for such a ?feature?? What company will care to implement that as a standard function of their software? Sorry, I cannot resist to tell you, that *if* you can come up with an algorithm for that ?problem? of yours, it can be solved today using API programming or scripting. FrameMaker allows overrides to the size and position of text frames on every single page and you can therefore control how many lines appear. - Michael M?ller-Hillebrand Am 27.09.2007 um 01:14 schrieb Hedley Finger: >Here's another feature: >Another feature that should be implemented is automatic >adjustment of page depth. Commercial publishers are always >keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth. So even where >a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical >reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or >whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home. >When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to >get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread >a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending >line forward or pull it back. >This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page >should never be immediately followed by a deeper page. Believe >me, no reader ever notices! And you can avoid the problem of the >last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus >leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the >facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line >has been pushed over. -- ___ Michael M?ller-Hillebrand: Dokumentations-Technologien Adobe Certified Expert, FrameMaker L?sungen und Training, FrameScript, XML/XSL, Unicode http://cap-studio.de/ -- Tel. +49 (9131) 28747
Don't forget Blaze [was Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite]
Eric: At Wednesday, 26/09/2007, 11:20 PM;, you wrote: On 9/25/07, Hedley Finger [1] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it will be if we ALL start screaming for So, everyone get on it: [2]http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html How about someone re-write all those wishes into a format that will cut and paste into the Adobe form? Geez, I have been harping on about all this stuff for years, on lists, to Dov, on Adobe surveys and what all. So can I be excused from going to the less than friendly Adobe page to type them all in yet AGAIN? Now that Madcap is trumpeting Blaze as the (eventual) FrameMaker killer, I bet there is someone at Adobe paid to monitor these lists full-time. Here's another feature: Another feature that should be implemented is automatic adjustment of page depth. Commercial publishers are always keen for every page to be full, that is, full-depth. So even where a diagram or whatever SHOULD be in-line for pedagogical reasons, they will place it on another page with a figure title or whatever and cross-reference it from its natural in-line home. When I used to lay out books with full-depth pages, one way to get rid of orphans and widows was to make a double-spread a line shorter or a line deeper than normal to push the offending line forward or pull it back. This could be automated, with the proviso that a shallow page should never be immediately followed by a deeper page. Believe me, no reader ever notices! And you can avoid the problem of the last two lines of a para being dragged onto the next page, thus leaving a double-spread where one side is normal depth and the facing page is (apparently) one line shallower because a line has been pushed over. By the way, whenever writing to any Adobe person or submitting suggestions to the Adobe page at [3] http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html, don't forget to copy Sharon Burton Product Manager, Blaze Madcap Software [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 858-320-0387 x217 Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Stewart Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Mobile +61 412 461 558, E-mail [4] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html 3. http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
