Fonts they are a-changing
At 17:09 -0800 21/2/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of >that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, wrong >text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come together >for PDF file production, printing, or both. Boy oh boy is Dov right [as usual]... as I found out to my cost recently when going x-platform with a Frutiger mix. Heap Bad Juju :-( My 10c... . You have a x-platform requirement with your Mac Illustrator. Big Warning Sign. . You have a non-European font requirement with Japanese and Chinese. Big Warning Sign. I am not qualified to comment here, but Paul Findon, sometimes on this group and always on the 'FrameMaker for OS X' group, works in Japanese in FrameMaker, I believe. I'm sure others on this group have relevant experience too. . Embedding is an attribute of the specific font foundry's license terms. Usually you can, sometimes you can't. Take care, read the small print. . 'Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue Helvetica?' Yes. The Neue variants are a different font to the Helveticas. I believe that Neue Helvetica is the Linotype variant, while Helvetica Neue is the Adobe variant. I don't know how different they are. I *do* know that recently acquiring a Linotype Frutiger rather than a Monotype Frutiger involved me in about an extra 100 hours' work. . The good on-line font sites such as Linotype, Monotype (www.fonts.com) and Bitstream have a lot of backing material that explains the origin and sometimes the purpose of individual fonts. In the UK at least, too, a phone call to Monotype gets you through to some very knowledgeable and helpful people. . You can sometimes, but not always, make financial savings by buying font family packages. It all depends on the size of the family (some are huge) vs. the faces you actually need. . OpenType is allegedly the 'way forward', but I've never used it with FrameMaker so I cannot comment. Others will be able to advise you. . 'Often, however, they'll make very broad statements without a lot of specifics because their goal is to create a degree of uniformity without boxing in the different divisions and functions in ways that would inhibit their routine tasks. That might explain identifying a font family as a standard but going no further' This will bite back very hard on costs unless more granularity is added to the specification. . Guy is very, very right ;-) -- Steve
RE: Fonts they are a-changing
Thanks, Steve, for all that insight! I can use this information to help narrow my search, and also to demonstrate the importance of identifying and specifying exact fonts within the family. Coincidentally, I'm updating the company Style Guide for tech doc right now, too, so whenever we pin this down, I can spec it in the Style Guide, even if they don't narrow down the specs in the branding guideline. Rene Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 17:09 -0800 21/2/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of > that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, >wrong text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come >together for PDF file production, printing, or both. Boy oh boy is Dov right [as usual]... as I found out to my cost recently when going x-platform with a Frutiger mix. Heap Bad Juju :-( My 10c... . You have a x-platform requirement with your Mac Illustrator. Big Warning Sign. . You have a non-European font requirement with Japanese and Chinese. Big Warning Sign. I am not qualified to comment here, but Paul Findon, sometimes on this group and always on the 'FrameMaker for OS X' group, works in Japanese in FrameMaker, I believe. I'm sure others on this group have relevant experience too. . Embedding is an attribute of the specific font foundry's license terms. Usually you can, sometimes you can't. Take care, read the small print. . 'Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue Helvetica?' Yes. The Neue variants are a different font to the Helveticas. I believe that Neue Helvetica is the Linotype variant, while Helvetica Neue is the Adobe variant. I don't know how different they are. I *do* know that recently acquiring a Linotype Frutiger rather than a Monotype Frutiger involved me in about an extra 100 hours' work. . The good on-line font sites such as Linotype, Monotype (www.fonts.com) and Bitstream have a lot of backing material that explains the origin and sometimes the purpose of individual fonts. In the UK at least, too, a phone call to Monotype gets you through to some very knowledgeable and helpful people. . You can sometimes, but not always, make financial savings by buying font family packages. It all depends on the size of the family (some are huge) vs. the faces you actually need. . OpenType is allegedly the 'way forward', but I've never used it with FrameMaker so I cannot comment. Others will be able to advise you. . 'Often, however, they'll make very broad statements without a lot of specifics because their goal is to create a degree of uniformity without boxing in the different divisions and functions in ways that would inhibit their routine tasks. That might explain identifying a font family as a standard but going no further' This will bite back very hard on costs unless more granularity is added to the specification. . Guy is very, very right ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fonts they are a-changing
Thanks, Steve, for all that insight! I can use this information to help narrow my search, and also to demonstrate the importance of identifying and specifying exact fonts within the family. Coincidentally, I'm updating the company Style Guide for tech doc right now, too, so whenever we pin this down, I can spec it in the Style Guide, even if they don't narrow down the specs in the branding guideline. Rene Steve Rickaby wrote: At 17:09 -0800 21/2/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of > that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, >wrong text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come >together for PDF file production, printing, or both. Boy oh boy is Dov right [as usual]... as I found out to my cost recently when going x-platform with a Frutiger mix. Heap Bad Juju :-( My 10c... . You have a x-platform requirement with your Mac Illustrator. Big Warning Sign. . You have a non-European font requirement with Japanese and Chinese. Big Warning Sign. I am not qualified to comment here, but Paul Findon, sometimes on this group and always on the 'FrameMaker for OS X' group, works in Japanese in FrameMaker, I believe. I'm sure others on this group have relevant experience too. . Embedding is an attribute of the specific font foundry's license terms. Usually you can, sometimes you can't. Take care, read the small print. . 'Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue Helvetica?' Yes. The Neue variants are a different font to the Helveticas. I believe that Neue Helvetica is the Linotype variant, while Helvetica Neue is the Adobe variant. I don't know how different they are. I *do* know that recently acquiring a Linotype Frutiger rather than a Monotype Frutiger involved me in about an extra 100 hours' work. . The good on-line font sites such as Linotype, Monotype (www.fonts.com) and Bitstream have a lot of backing material that explains the origin and sometimes the purpose of individual fonts. In the UK at least, too, a phone call to Monotype gets you through to some very knowledgeable and helpful people. . You can sometimes, but not always, make financial savings by buying font family packages. It all depends on the size of the family (some are huge) vs. the faces you actually need. . OpenType is allegedly the 'way forward', but I've never used it with FrameMaker so I cannot comment. Others will be able to advise you. . 'Often, however, they'll make very broad statements without a lot of specifics because their goal is to create a degree of uniformity without boxing in the different divisions and functions in ways that would inhibit their routine tasks. That might explain identifying a font family as a standard but going no further' This will bite back very hard on costs unless more granularity is added to the specification. . Guy is very, very right ;-) -- Steve
RE: Fonts they are a-changing
Thanks, Dov. I have asked the highest level English-speaking person in the division stateside, and at this time there is no more definitive answer. I have been advised that some of the specifics of the branding guidelines are still being debated, and the lack of granularity on the font specs could indicate that they're still working on that. So now I've been asked for a recommendation of which in that family would be best for this division's needs. This person wants to try to make a request before everything is etched in stone, rather than wait and see if we can work with what they finalize and publish in April. So, which of the Helvetica / Helvetica Neue fonts would have the largest character set, the greatest embedding abilities, and optimal mappings? We would need a bold, italic, and bold italic weight/angle for whichever one we go with, but as long as it's not the narrow/condensed or heavy/black or outline versions, they're open to recommendations for the base style of Helvetica Neue font. Would any of the Roman, Medium, or Light versions of Helvetica Neue provide greater character sets or embedding options? Actually, if there's some table that provides a comparison of the features of the different fonts in the Helvetica Neue family, that would be ideal, but I'm not having any luck "googling" on it. All I find is places to type sample text for comparison or lists of the alphabet for the fonts, but nothing statistical about the fonts. I was kind of hoping someone on the list would be intimately familiar with that font family and how FM > PDF handle it. FWIW - Sometimes our PDFs are sent to professional print shops, but most of the time the PDFs are just distributed on CD for onsite printing, usually on laser printers. Thanks, Rene Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would strongly concur with Guy's advice. There are dozens upon dozens of fonts available with the names Helvetica and Helvetica-Neue from different sources (including Adobe and Linotype) as well as fonts with those names bundled with the MacOS. HOWEVER, despite the same names, there differences between them, whether in the character sets, mappings, embedding privileges, font metrics, etc. Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, wrong text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come together for PDF file production, printing, or both. - Dov ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fonts they are a-changing
Thanks, Dov. I have asked the highest level English-speaking person in the division stateside, and at this time there is no more definitive answer. I have been advised that some of the specifics of the branding guidelines are still being debated, and the lack of granularity on the font specs could indicate that they're still working on that. So now I've been asked for a recommendation of which in that family would be best for this division's needs. This person wants to try to make a request before everything is etched in stone, rather than wait and see if we can work with what they finalize and publish in April. So, which of the Helvetica / Helvetica Neue fonts would have the largest character set, the greatest embedding abilities, and optimal mappings? We would need a bold, italic, and bold italic weight/angle for whichever one we go with, but as long as it's not the narrow/condensed or heavy/black or outline versions, they're open to recommendations for the base style of Helvetica Neue font. Would any of the Roman, Medium, or Light versions of Helvetica Neue provide greater character sets or embedding options? Actually, if there's some table that provides a comparison of the features of the different fonts in the Helvetica Neue family, that would be ideal, but I'm not having any luck "googling" on it. All I find is places to type sample text for comparison or lists of the alphabet for the fonts, but nothing statistical about the fonts. I was kind of hoping someone on the list would be intimately familiar with that font family and how FM > PDF handle it. FWIW - Sometimes our PDFs are sent to professional print shops, but most of the time the PDFs are just distributed on CD for onsite printing, usually on laser printers. Thanks, Rene Dov Isaacs wrote: I would strongly concur with Guy's advice. There are dozens upon dozens of fonts available with the names Helvetica and Helvetica-Neue from different sources (including Adobe and Linotype) as well as fonts with those names bundled with the MacOS. HOWEVER, despite the same names, there differences between them, whether in the character sets, mappings, embedding privileges, font metrics, etc. Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, wrong text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come together for PDF file production, printing, or both. - Dov
RE: Fonts they are a-changing
> -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:57 AM > To: Dov Isaacs; Guy K. Haas; Rene Stephenson > Cc: framers@frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Fonts they are a-changing > > > > . 'Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue > Helvetica?' Yes. > > The Neue variants are a different font to the Helveticas. I > believe that Neue Helvetica is the Linotype variant, while > Helvetica Neue is the Adobe variant. I don't know how > different they are. I *do* know that recently acquiring a > Linotype Frutiger rather than a Monotype Frutiger involved me > in about an extra 100 hours' work. > All the fonts with the name Helvetica or Helvetica Neue or any combination of those words has its origin in the Linotype type library. But despite the common heritage, there are tremendous differences in character sets, metrics, etc. from one to another. - Dov ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fonts they are a-changing
> -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:57 AM > To: Dov Isaacs; Guy K. Haas; Rene Stephenson > Cc: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Fonts they are a-changing > > > > . 'Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue > Helvetica?' Yes. > > The Neue variants are a different font to the Helveticas. I > believe that Neue Helvetica is the Linotype variant, while > Helvetica Neue is the Adobe variant. I don't know how > different they are. I *do* know that recently acquiring a > Linotype Frutiger rather than a Monotype Frutiger involved me > in about an extra 100 hours' work. > All the fonts with the name Helvetica or Helvetica Neue or any combination of those words has its origin in the Linotype type library. But despite the common heritage, there are tremendous differences in character sets, metrics, etc. from one to another. - Dov
RE: Fonts they are a-changing
At 17:09 -0800 21/2/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: >Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of >that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, wrong >text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come together >for PDF file production, printing, or both. Boy oh boy is Dov right [as usual]... as I found out to my cost recently when going x-platform with a Frutiger mix. Heap Bad Juju :-( My 10c... . You have a x-platform requirement with your Mac Illustrator. Big Warning Sign. . You have a non-European font requirement with Japanese and Chinese. Big Warning Sign. I am not qualified to comment here, but Paul Findon, sometimes on this group and always on the 'FrameMaker for OS X' group, works in Japanese in FrameMaker, I believe. I'm sure others on this group have relevant experience too. . Embedding is an attribute of the specific font foundry's license terms. Usually you can, sometimes you can't. Take care, read the small print. . 'Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue Helvetica?' Yes. The Neue variants are a different font to the Helveticas. I believe that Neue Helvetica is the Linotype variant, while Helvetica Neue is the Adobe variant. I don't know how different they are. I *do* know that recently acquiring a Linotype Frutiger rather than a Monotype Frutiger involved me in about an extra 100 hours' work. . The good on-line font sites such as Linotype, Monotype (www.fonts.com) and Bitstream have a lot of backing material that explains the origin and sometimes the purpose of individual fonts. In the UK at least, too, a phone call to Monotype gets you through to some very knowledgeable and helpful people. . You can sometimes, but not always, make financial savings by buying font family packages. It all depends on the size of the family (some are huge) vs. the faces you actually need. . OpenType is allegedly the 'way forward', but I've never used it with FrameMaker so I cannot comment. Others will be able to advise you. . 'Often, however, they'll make very broad statements without a lot of specifics because their goal is to create a degree of uniformity without boxing in the different divisions and functions in ways that would inhibit their routine tasks. That might explain identifying a font family as a standard but going no further' This will bite back very hard on costs unless more granularity is added to the specification. . Guy is very, very right ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fonts they are a-changing
I would strongly concur with Guy's advice. There are dozens upon dozens of fonts available with the names Helvetica and Helvetica-Neue from different sources (including Adobe and Linotype) as well as fonts with those names bundled with the MacOS. HOWEVER, despite the same names, there differences between them, whether in the character sets, mappings, embedding privileges, font metrics, etc. Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, wrong text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come together for PDF file production, printing, or both. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Guy K. Haas > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:54 PM > To: Rene Stephenson > Cc: framers@frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Fonts they are a-changing > > Rene-- > > I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not > suggest/recommend/specify a source for the fonts they are > mandating. Is there someone up-line you can ask? > > --Guy K. Haas >Software Exegete in Silicon Valley > > Rene Stephenson wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > We've received new corporate branding from the "parent > company" that > > ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of > > fonts. The branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue > for copy and > > Rotis Sans Serif for headings. (I hear some groaning at the > > already-overused Helvetica...but the edict was issued by the Powers > > That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from which we could buy the > > fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase that frankly > > require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I > > possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm > > doing a freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fonts they are a-changing
I would strongly concur with Guy's advice. There are dozens upon dozens of fonts available with the names Helvetica and Helvetica-Neue from different sources (including Adobe and Linotype) as well as fonts with those names bundled with the MacOS. HOWEVER, despite the same names, there differences between them, whether in the character sets, mappings, embedding privileges, font metrics, etc. Unless you standardize on a particular version of any font and enforce use of that version, you are being setup for disasters including missing text, wrong text, relayout, etc., especially when everything is supposed to come together for PDF file production, printing, or both. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Guy K. Haas > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:54 PM > To: Rene Stephenson > Cc: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Fonts they are a-changing > > Rene-- > > I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not > suggest/recommend/specify a source for the fonts they are > mandating. Is there someone up-line you can ask? > > --Guy K. Haas >Software Exegete in Silicon Valley > > Rene Stephenson wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > We've received new corporate branding from the "parent > company" that > > ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of > > fonts. The branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue > for copy and > > Rotis Sans Serif for headings. (I hear some groaning at the > > already-overused Helvetica...but the edict was issued by the Powers > > That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from which we could buy the > > fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase that frankly > > require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I > > possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm > > doing a freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink.
Re: Fonts they are a-changing
Rene-- I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not suggest/recommend/specify a source for the fonts they are mandating. Is there someone up-line you can ask? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Rene Stephenson wrote: Hi All, We've received new corporate branding from the "parent company" that ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif for headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but the edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fonts they are a-changing
Thanks, Guy. Yeah - me, too. Maybe it's because they only sent out the "preliminary" branding stuff, with the final due out in April. I did ask my upline (who told me to send him the purchase info whenever I find it), jumped to another branch and went up that line, too, but no answers so far. We run into issues like this a lot, but I think it's just because we're a tiny little division of a huge international conglomerate that actually prohibits org charts. (Laugh..but I'm not kidding.) Stuff kind of just trickles down and filters through. Often, however, they'll make very broad statements without a lot of specifics because their goal is to create a degree of uniformity without boxing in the different divisions and functions in ways that would inhibit their routine tasks. That might explain identifying a font family as a standard but going no further. Maybe I should just put this on the back burner for a few weeks, and when they start asking why things haven't changed yet, I'll finally be able to identify who has the answers. Or... maybe I should just let Windows Search do the walking through some of the huge network drives and see if I can sniff out some font files somewhere! >:-} Rene "Guy K. Haas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rene-- I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not suggest/recommend/specify a source for the fonts they are mandating. Is there someone up-line you can ask? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Rene Stephenson wrote: > Hi All, > > We've received new corporate branding from the "parent company" that ripples > into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The branding > specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif for > headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but the > edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from > which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase > that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I > possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a > freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fonts they are a-changing
Thanks, Guy. Yeah - me, too. Maybe it's because they only sent out the "preliminary" branding stuff, with the final due out in April. I did ask my upline (who told me to send him the purchase info whenever I find it), jumped to another branch and went up that line, too, but no answers so far. We run into issues like this a lot, but I think it's just because we're a tiny little division of a huge international conglomerate that actually prohibits org charts. (Laugh..but I'm not kidding.) Stuff kind of just trickles down and filters through. Often, however, they'll make very broad statements without a lot of specifics because their goal is to create a degree of uniformity without boxing in the different divisions and functions in ways that would inhibit their routine tasks. That might explain identifying a font family as a standard but going no further. Maybe I should just put this on the back burner for a few weeks, and when they start asking why things haven't changed yet, I'll finally be able to identify who has the answers. Or... maybe I should just let Windows Search do the walking through some of the huge network drives and see if I can sniff out some font files somewhere! >:-} Rene "Guy K. Haas" wrote: Rene-- I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not suggest/recommend/specify a source for the fonts they are mandating. Is there someone up-line you can ask? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Rene Stephenson wrote: > Hi All, > > We've received new corporate branding from the "parent company" that ripples > into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The branding > specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif for > headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but the > edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from > which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase > that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I > possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a > freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink.
Fonts they are a-changing
Rene-- I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not suggest/recommend/specify a source for the fonts they are mandating. Is there someone up-line you can ask? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Rene Stephenson wrote: > Hi All, > > We've received new corporate branding from the "parent company" that > ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The > branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif > for headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but > the edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from > which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase > that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I > possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a > freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink.
Fonts they are a-changing
Hi All, We've received new corporate branding from the "parent company" that ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif for headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but the edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink. We produce PDF (as well as WWHelp) from our FM (WinXP) source files, so we'll be needing to embed the fonts. I don't think we can embed fonts for the WWHelp - probably just have to stick with a san serif font family tag in the CSS - but I hope someone will correct me if that's not true. I know we'll definitely need to embed the fonts when creating the PDF. Languages to consider for support include English, Japanese, Spanish, and French. In the near future, we will have to support documentation for some customers in China, too. Some of our graphics are created in Adobe Illustrator on a Mac, but others are created on a PC in Corel Draw or Visio or AI. Graphics would have to use the new fonts for labels and call-outs. Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue Helvetica? I'm thinking Helvetica Neue (being "new") is the same as Neue Helvetica, but somehow updated/augmented more than just "plain old" Helvetica? Maybe Helvetica Neue would provide greater electronic flexibility? (Totally guessing...) I'm seeing Helvetica Neue in 2 volumes or 3 volumes or in a single volume, as a TTF, PS font, or OpenType; as a Family Pack, a Family Value Pack, or a Pro Family Pack...? I'm only seeing Rotis Sans Serif as TTF or PS for Win/Mac, but looks like you either get the Family Pack or the Family Value Pack with fewer weights. I'm thinking we'd have more flexibility with a Family Pack of some flavor - but whether the Pro stuff would be desireable is beyond me. Excuse me, my ignorance is showing. Would someone please pass me a safety pin of enlightenment...? THANKS Rene Stephenson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fonts they are a-changing
Hi All, We've received new corporate branding from the "parent company" that ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif for headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but the edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I possess. Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink. We produce PDF (as well as WWHelp) from our FM (WinXP) source files, so we'll be needing to embed the fonts. I don't think we can embed fonts for the WWHelp - probably just have to stick with a san serif font family tag in the CSS - but I hope someone will correct me if that's not true. I know we'll definitely need to embed the fonts when creating the PDF. Languages to consider for support include English, Japanese, Spanish, and French. In the near future, we will have to support documentation for some customers in China, too. Some of our graphics are created in Adobe Illustrator on a Mac, but others are created on a PC in Corel Draw or Visio or AI. Graphics would have to use the new fonts for labels and call-outs. Is Helvetica different from Helvetica Neue and Neue Helvetica? I'm thinking Helvetica Neue (being "new") is the same as Neue Helvetica, but somehow updated/augmented more than just "plain old" Helvetica? Maybe Helvetica Neue would provide greater electronic flexibility? (Totally guessing...) I'm seeing Helvetica Neue in 2 volumes or 3 volumes or in a single volume, as a TTF, PS font, or OpenType; as a Family Pack, a Family Value Pack, or a Pro Family Pack...? I'm only seeing Rotis Sans Serif as TTF or PS for Win/Mac, but looks like you either get the Family Pack or the Family Value Pack with fewer weights. I'm thinking we'd have more flexibility with a Family Pack of some flavor - but whether the Pro stuff would be desireable is beyond me. Excuse me, my ignorance is showing. Would someone please pass me a safety pin of enlightenment...? THANKS Rene Stephenson
